Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Dale Maggee
David Pottage wrote: On Thu, November 27, 2008 7:06 am, Denis Johnson wrote: ... Preferably using something like http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ (if someone knows a Linux equivalent please chime in) The linux equivalent is cdparanoia. Like EAC it will produce bit perfect rips of

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | FLAC *is* compressed, but it's lossless compression, meaning that there | is no change to the sound when you encode it to FLAC, Whereas when you | encode to MP3 or ogg, you're losing audio information. | |

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread arne anka
but it's kind of on-topic you know with the Android image getting recooked for this). now i am confused. care to elaborate? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | but it's kind of on-topic you know with the Android image | getting recooked for this). | | now i am confused. | care to elaborate?

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread arne anka
| but it's kind of on-topic you know with the Android image | getting recooked for this). | | now i am confused. | care to elaborate? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-November/006894.html well, that's the starting point -- but how is the discussion about flac vs

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Nov 2008, at 11:06, Sean McNeil wrote: ... I'd like to point out also that the CD source is already lossy in that it is a digital representation of analog signals. Recording companies, however, compensate for this and work to make the sound output from a CD player as ideal as

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Sean McNeil
Dale Maggee wrote: Denis Johnson wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * It's my Hard drive that doesn't support FLAC! If I used flac, my music library (I guess mp3 collection will soon become a misnomer!) would be *enormous*! Yes, I

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread arne anka
with all due respect i'd like to point out that this is now _totally_ off topic (and the issue of loss / lossless compression has been discussed elsewhere in extenso). seeing the huge number of traffic the list generates already it would be very kind of you to discuss the issue of music and

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Dale Maggee
Denis Johnson wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * It's my Hard drive that doesn't support FLAC! If I used flac, my music library (I guess mp3 collection will soon become a misnomer!) would be *enormous*! Yes, I realise it's lossless etc etc, but

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Denis Johnson
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * It's my Hard drive that doesn't support FLAC! If I used flac, my music library (I guess mp3 collection will soon become a misnomer!) would be *enormous*! Yes, I realise it's lossless etc etc, but 320kpbs mp3s are close

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-28 Thread Sean McNeil
Stroller wrote: On 28 Nov 2008, at 11:06, Sean McNeil wrote: ... I'd like to point out also that the CD source is already lossy in that it is a digital representation of analog signals. Recording companies, however, compensate for this and work to make the sound output from a CD

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-27 Thread David Pottage
On Thu, November 27, 2008 7:06 am, Denis Johnson wrote: ... Preferably using something like http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ (if someone knows a Linux equivalent please chime in) The linux equivalent is cdparanoia. Like EAC it will produce bit perfect rips of audio CDs. It is a command line

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-26 Thread Dylan Semler
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On this note, can anybody point me to a piece of software which will mass-convert all my mp3s to ogg at the press of a button? It would need to preserve all my ID3 Tags etc. We're talking thousands of files / gigabytes of

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-26 Thread Atilla Filiz
mp3 is also a lossy format. so other formats are not lower quality. The thing is, converting from one format to another is also a lossy operation itself. So if you convert an ogg music to mp3, you may also end up with slightly worse file. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Dylan Semler [EMAIL

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-26 Thread Denis Johnson
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mp3 is also a lossy format. so other formats are not lower quality. The thing is, converting from one format to another is also a lossy operation itself. So if you convert an ogg music to mp3, you may also end up with

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-25 Thread Evgeny Karyakin
I think this movement will apply on newly-legalizing patents only, it will be too much counterforce against it. Patents is vital for software giants, it's just a basis of their market activity and relevancy. As of recent MP3 issue, open-source community can definitely apply just a little bit more

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-25 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 24 November 2008, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Dear all, Is a little bit offtopic but due recent mp2/mp3 fight against pirat... sorry Sysvel, maybe is interesting to spread this little bit of hope to the Openmoko community Trough a local FOSS-friendly news site[1] I read

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-25 Thread Dale Maggee
Evgeny Karyakin wrote: I think this movement will apply on newly-legalizing patents only, it will be too much counterforce against it. Patents is vital for software giants, it's just a basis of their market activity and relevancy. As of recent MP3 issue, open-source community can definitely

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-25 Thread Konstantin
Hi there, Evgeny Karyakin wrote: I think this movement will apply on newly-legalizing patents only, it will be too much counterforce against it. Patents is vital for software giants, it's just a basis of their market activity and relevancy. As of recent MP3 issue, open-source community can

Re: [OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-25 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale Maggee ha scritto: On this note, can anybody point me to a piece of software which will mass-convert all my mp3s to ogg at the press of a button? It would need to preserve all my ID3 Tags etc. We're talking thousands of files / gigabytes

[OT]Software patents end? ??:) light at the end of tunnel

2008-11-24 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
Dear all, Is a little bit offtopic but due recent mp2/mp3 fight against pirat... sorry Sysvel, maybe is interesting to spread this little bit of hope to the Openmoko community Trough a local FOSS-friendly news site[1] I read there is a 180 degrees in Software pattent policy in US pattent office ,