Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-10-01 Thread Ian
Alex does bring up some excellent points, and I would like to point to the (unfortunately closed source) media centre app for the Nokia Internet Tablet called Canola as an example, which was written in Python (distributed as byte compiled python) and uses EFL for the graphics. Everything in the

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Nishit Dave
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paroli? We need more info about this I am in the dark as much as you are... Minh Seems to be a contacts+phone+messages framework implemented in Python, as far as I have found. Please. For FOSS's sake, not Python! Do you

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Dienstag, den 30.09.2008, 15:33 +0530 schrieb Nishit Dave: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paroli? We need more info about this I am in the dark as much as you are... Minh Seems

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Nishit Dave
*yawn* Predujice... *yawn* years of experience using yumex, Fedora and what not. Carefully considered Predijuice. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Alastair Johnson
Nishit Dave wrote: *yawn* Predujice... *yawn* years of experience using yumex, Fedora and what not. Carefully considered Predijuice. Can you point to something specific that makes python unsuitable for a responsive GUI? I've seen unresponsive GUIs written with many languages,

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Nishit Dave
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: *yawn* Predujice... *yawn* years of experience using yumex, Fedora and what not. Carefully considered Predijuice. Can you point to something specific that makes python unsuitable for a

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Alex Osborne
On 30/09/2008, at 9:41 PM, Nishit Dave wrote: How about experience? I don't know about programming or system specifics, but as a user, Please don't take this the wrong way. There's a common misconception amongst non-programmers and even some less experienced programmers than anything

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Nishit Dave
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Alex Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean start Mofi, then switch to a different app and back to the still running Mofi? The window renders virtually instantly for me, there's a little flash of it redrawing but you really have to watch for it and it's not

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Alex Osborne
On 30/09/2008, at 11:34 PM, Nishit Dave wrote: If a GUI is not responding it's a problem with how the program is structured, it should be doing something asynchronously instead of blocking the event loop. I just hope everybody follows best practices. At the end of the day, all I need is

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Thanks Alex for this comprehensive post, that's exactly what I had in mind and should have actually written, but was too much in a hurry. Cheers, Mickey. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread Matthew Lane
Alex has an excellent point. Both complexity time of algorithms and the lack of asynchronous work / threading are enumerations of poor programming practices, and not characteristics of a byte code interpreter or the like. Some UI lockups could easily be fixed by simply using threads, or even

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-30 Thread justin daly
yes fso as the base with an adaptive beyesian feedback driven user interface. it would be great to see your top actions bubble up in the interface's navigation: everyone with a customly trained 'runner. i say written in xul as xumo :) On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Sander van Grieken [EMAIL

Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Ian
Hey all, I'm just sending this out there for anyone working on a/the dialer UI. At the moment with the qtopia (ergo, 2008.*) dialer the same part of the screen is used for answer call as end call, and since the UI is laggy (see below), I naturally hit answer call a second time and as a result

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Shashank Bharadwaj
Hey, On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I naturally hit answer call a second time and as a result hung up immediately. Probably should avoid this UI design pitfall in future dialer (and other) interfaces. I agree with Ian totally. I've faced this situation many

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Le lundi 29 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I'm just sending this out there for anyone working on a/the dialer UI. At the moment with the qtopia (ergo, 2008.*) dialer the same part of the screen is used for answer call as end call, and since the UI is laggy (see below), I naturally

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Charles Pax
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:28 AM, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A note on UI response times: 10ms should be the MAX response time, anything that takes longer has just 10ms to let the user know it's going to take longer (progress bar, hour glass, etc), otherwise the reaction is disconnected from

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Nishit Dave
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Le lundi 29 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I'm just sending this out there for anyone working on a/the dialer UI. At the moment with the qtopia (ergo, 2008.*) dialer the same part of the screen is used for

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Hire
) or SHR. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Dialer-UI-Design-tp1125436p1125600.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Sander van Grieken
Ian-3 wrote: Qtopia sux, it's ugly and not pratical. We need absolutely the FSO with dialer, sms and contacts ( instead of zhone ) or SHR. I think Qtopia is beautiful and the most practical at the moment. But my biggest gripe is that it's not customizable and has no open development model.

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Hire
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Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Le lundi 29 septembre 2008, Nishit Dave a écrit : On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Le lundi 29 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I'm just sending this out there for anyone working on a/the dialer UI. At the moment with the qtopia (ergo,

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Hire
___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Paroli? We need more info about this -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Dialer-UI-Design-tp1125436p1125963.html Sent

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Paroli? We need more info about this I am in the dark as much as you are... Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Dialer UI Design

2008-09-29 Thread flamma
Paroli? We need more info about this I am in the dark as much as you are... Minh Seems to be a contacts+phone+messages framework implemented in Python, as far as I have found. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org