Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-22 Thread Ben Wong
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 08:26:59 Radek Polak wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2014 08:38:35 PM Michael Spacefalcon wrote: I am also convinced that the *real* reason why Openmoko = failure in the general public's perception is precisely because of that NDA and no one having broken it during

GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the board being used? Why

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread Radek Polak
On Friday, February 21, 2014 09:15:27 AM joerg Reisenweber wrote: Openmoko is different - they never provided SW for reliable phone. Openmoko never provided stable maintainable kernel - instead they wasted their time on doing 4 ugly unusable distros while at the time they had perfectly

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:03:47 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:03 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on the

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: But there are other points of view. E.g. some people expect the phone ring when friends/wife/customer calls. Yes, that's exactly what I seek out of my cellphone too. And that is why I require having the source for all sw/fw involved in this telephony

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread Liz
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:10:23 +0100 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Well, IMO you should always start with something simple and working. I'd been happy if Freerunner was running from day 0 simple, reliable, power management friendly distro with Accept call and Read SMS. Community does the

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:36:59 Michael Spacefalcon wrote: VLR, SF Do yourself a favor and ask some of your friends with a more down-to-earth mindset before you ever again consider posting such mails. When you don't get it, go and ask your friends, maybe they also can explain to you why I

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? -- Bob Ham r...@settrans.net for (;;) { ++pancakes; } signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Roughly same way as Pi -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Your initial rant sounded much similar to the plot: blame the architect for not working on the electrics of

Re: void (was: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 11:43:08 David Matthews wrote: Yes it is, and those who do not believe so should allow those of us that do value it to enjoy it in peace :-0 - I at least do not need to be told repeatedly how foolish I am for delighting over something someone else believes has zero

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread David Matthews
Please don't polemize! ROTFL - are you asking me not to bring disagreement here? Incidentally - you're input on the IMEI topic (and much else), is not unappreciated (by me), but freeing the GSM firmware is *cool* Best wishes -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Please find the answer and tell us about the results. ___ Openmoko

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:36 schrieb Michael Spacefalcon: I invite every = remaining Openmoko GTA01/02 owner to cannibalize their device for a = GTA04A5 motherboard. There is a special place in Hell reserved for murderers of good free hardware like you. ROFL - you are believing in Hell and you

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Please find the answer and tell us

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been

Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) wrote: I remember adverts of Openmoko in capitals 100% FREE mobile. that this was a false promise comes evident afterwards. I wonder how many people forked over their $$$ for those expensive Openmoko phones primarily in the hope that the bloody NDA would

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 20 February 2014 20:38:35 Michael Spacefalcon wrote: was a proprietary phone no different from anything out of Motorola, Samsung or Apple. evidently bullshit! -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Of course it will never happen legally, but so what? We can build it illegally instead. You are a Pied Piper of Hamelin. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 07:29:28 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Of course it will never happen legally, but so what? We can build it illegally instead. You are a Pied Piper of Hamelin. Let's hope we don't have to read Pied Piper Revisited or learn about some landslide or somesuch, in a

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 07:48:02 joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Fri 21 February 2014 07:29:28 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Of course it will never happen legally, but so what? We can build it illegally instead. You are a Pied Piper of Hamelin. Let's hope we don't have to read Pied

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: You are a Pied Piper of Hamelin. I don't mind the role. Check out The Stolen Child, poem/song by William Butler Yeats - I particularly like this rendition: http://www.elvendrums.com/cddragon.php VLR, SF

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Radek Polak
On Thursday, February 20, 2014 08:38:35 PM Michael Spacefalcon wrote: I am also convinced that the *real* reason why Openmoko = failure in the general public's perception is precisely because of that NDA and no one having broken it during the years when it mattered the most. That's your point

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-20 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.02.2014 um 08:26 schrieb Radek Polak: On Thursday, February 20, 2014 08:38:35 PM Michael Spacefalcon wrote: I am also convinced that the *real* reason why Openmoko = failure in the general public's perception is precisely because of that NDA and no one having broken it during the