Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-03 Thread arne anka
done on the FR. Therefore, I'll edit the page with opinions are divided regarding reliability and no objective comparisons yet for other criteria. It'd be much easier to just punt on the whole issue and say same rules apply as for any other Linux system. party pooper.

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-02 Thread Fernando Martins
Martin Bernreuther wrote: again (cmp. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-January/040623.html)... IMHO, it should be owner/group concept and permissions (there are even extensions for ACLs) and linking is a part of a build process (typically after compiling), so maybe

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-02 Thread Fernando Martins
W.Kenworthy wrote: I have to disagree here - because my own opinion is that ext2/3 are not the best for every purpose, and are demonstrably a poor choice for OSM maps on an SD card for instance. Last I heard reiserfs3 is still being maintained, and it has some real advantages for OSM maps

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-02 Thread William Kenworthy
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 09:42 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: W.Kenworthy wrote: I have to disagree here - because my own opinion is that ext2/3 are not the best for every purpose, and are demonstrably a poor choice for OSM maps on an SD card for instance. Last I heard reiserfs3 is still

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-02 Thread Fernando Martins
arne anka wrote: There is a certain amount of YMMV with file system choices depending on your usage scenarios, but personally I would really like to use reiserfs and dump ext2/3 and all the problems they cause on the FR (lost data/corrupted filesystems, slow performance, ...) that I have.

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
done on the FR. Therefore, I'll edit the page with opinions are divided regarding reliability and no objective comparisons yet for other criteria. It'd be much easier to just punt on the whole issue and say same rules apply as for any other Linux system. Stefan

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-02 Thread arne anka
There is a certain amount of YMMV with file system choices depending on your usage scenarios, but personally I would really like to use reiserfs and dump ext2/3 and all the problems they cause on the FR (lost data/corrupted filesystems, slow performance, ...) that I have. i, on the other

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-02 Thread Helge Hafting
W.Kenworthy wrote: I have to disagree here - because my own opinion is that ext2/3 are not the best for every purpose, and are demonstrably a poor choice for OSM maps on an SD card for instance. Last I heard reiserfs3 is still being maintained, and it has some real advantages for OSM maps

Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread Fernando Martins
-January/040521.html I got a new SD card. Which file system is the best? Short answer: ext3. Other options: ext2, vfat. Don't use wear-aware file systems like jffs2 and ubifs. Long answer: In principle you can use any file system that is supported by the kernel in your Open Moko, commonly FAT, ext2

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread arne anka
systems. Since not many people are recommending reiserfs nowadays due to lack of maintenance, regardless of being considered better than ext2/3, ext3 remains as the choice. it's not only lack of maintenance and reiserfs is not considered to be better (by whom?)! the best you could say is,

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread Fernando Martins
arne anka wrote: systems. Since not many people are recommending reiserfs nowadays due to lack of maintenance, regardless of being considered better than ext2/3, ext3 remains as the choice. it's not only lack of maintenance and reiserfs is not considered to be better (by whom?)!

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Hi, Am Sonntag, 1. Februar 2009 schrieb Fernando Martins: It is also important to note that ext is faster than FAT (benchmark, anyone?) but, most importantly, it supports permissions, which FAT doesn't. Of course, since FR is in general a single user device, the permissions might be not so

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 15:03 +0100, arne anka wrote: systems. Since not many people are recommending reiserfs nowadays due to lack of maintenance, regardless of being considered better than ext2/3, ext3 remains as the choice. it's not only lack of maintenance and reiserfs is not considered

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-26 Thread Helge Hafting
Fernando Martins wrote: [...] Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left wondering about performance, in particular as a storage for maps. Maps will be read-mostly, right? So ext2 and ext3

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left I'd stay away from FAT: its simplicity makes it less susceptible to software bugs, maybe, but still susceptible to corruption. The general

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-26 Thread Jeff Sadowski
Does anyone use PosixOVL on top of VFAT? I know of this because of slax On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
William Kenworthy ha scritto: I found vfat clearly better (less susceptible to corruption) than ext2, however ext3 is better than vfat, but will still play up at times. Using it for OSM maps BillK IMHO the best fs for sd is vfat if you don't care about permission, so if you have to put

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread arne anka
Not having the journal imlies a redouced number of write to sd and a reduced probability to get the data lost. this discusion has in some extend token place a while ago (community or support archives should have it ready, look for wear leveling) and it was widely agreed upon, that with

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread Thomas Franck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi.. I bought a 2GB sd card which came formatted with FAT. Is this a good option for the sd card or is it advisable to use another fs? I'm using it for osm maps. My experience: I had trouble with FAT and OSM maps.. it became read-only after a

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread Fernando Martins
Sean McNeil wrote: Neither of those filesystems are appropriate for sd cards. They have wear leveling logic that is not necessary or a good thing as it is already done in firmware for sd. An efficient journaled filesystem not designed for memory devices (like ext3) would be best. A

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread Fernando Martins
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: William Kenworthy ha scritto: I found vfat clearly better (less susceptible to corruption) than ext2, however ext3 is better than vfat, but will still play up at times. Using it for OSM maps BillK IMHO the best fs for sd is vfat if you don't care

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
Fernando Martins ha scritto: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: William Kenworthy ha scritto: I found vfat clearly better (less susceptible to corruption) than ext2, however ext3 is better than vfat, but will still play up at times. Using it for OSM maps BillK IMHO the best fs for sd

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread 'dillo
From: Sean McNeil s...@mcneil.com Date: January 24, 2009 6:32:28 PM PST To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: which file system for sd card? Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org thewire wrote

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread 'dillo
From: thewire li...@w23.ru Date: January 24, 2009 3:32:54 PM PST To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: which file system for sd card? Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org The Digital Pioneer

Re: which file system for sd card - for Wiki

2009-01-25 Thread Fernando Martins
appreciate feedback from the list beforehand. = I got a new SD card. Which file system is the best? In general, vfat or ext2 are the most recommended. Vfat might already be the fs in your card when you got a new one. It has the advantage of being recognised in many other systems. The data

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 3:56:26 am Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: My point is: journal could avoid errors and prevent some corruption, ok nothing to say about that. Journals are really to allow the filesystem to present a consistent view after a crash or failure and to try and avoid lengthy

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-25 Thread William Kenworthy
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 15:15 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: William Kenworthy ha scritto: I found vfat clearly better (less susceptible to corruption) than ext2, however ext3 is better than vfat, but will still play up at times. Using it for OSM maps

Re: which file system for sd card - for Wiki

2009-01-25 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Hello, Am Sonntag, 25. Januar 2009 schrieb Fernando Martins: I got a new SD card. Which file system is the best? In general, vfat or ext2 are the most recommended. Vfat might already be the fs in your card when you got a new one. It has the advantage of being recognised in many other

which file system for sd card?

2009-01-24 Thread Fernando Martins
I bought a 2GB sd card which came formatted with FAT. Is this a good option for the sd card or is it advisable to use another fs? I'm using it for osm maps. Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-24 Thread The Digital Pioneer
The only reason they come with FAT is so windoze can use it. That said, I don't know much about filesystems, but I would generally go with EXT2/3 over FAT. -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-24 Thread HouYu Li
FAT is used for general purpose. It can be recognized on many different systems. So if you what to share files between your Windows or Mac desktop with your Neo using SD card. Then FAT is perfect. If the SD card is only prepared for your Neo, EXT2/3 is preferred. On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 2:49 AM,

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-24 Thread thewire
The Digital Pioneer пишет: The only reason they come with FAT is so windoze can use it. That said, I don't know much about filesystems, but I would generally go with EXT2/3 over FAT. I'm no fs expert either, but i would generally advise to use jffs2 or ubifs, as they are specially designed for

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-24 Thread Sean McNeil
thewire wrote: The Digital Pioneer пишет: The only reason they come with FAT is so windoze can use it. That said, I don't know much about filesystems, but I would generally go with EXT2/3 over FAT. I'm no fs expert either, but i would generally advise to use jffs2 or ubifs, as

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-24 Thread thewire
Sean McNeil пишет: thewire wrote: The Digital Pioneer пишет: The only reason they come with FAT is so windoze can use it. That said, I don't know much about filesystems, but I would generally go with EXT2/3 over FAT. I'm no fs expert either, but i would generally advise to use

Re: which file system for sd card?

2009-01-24 Thread William Kenworthy
I found vfat clearly better (less susceptible to corruption) than ext2, however ext3 is better than vfat, but will still play up at times. Using it for OSM maps BillK On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 19:41 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: I bought a 2GB sd card which came formatted with FAT. Is this a good