Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
this is a core part of my point. i stare at this screen every day.
i know its dpi. most people imho will never make use of such a dpi
as they literally can't see it - they will NEED to use much bigger
fonts just to see something other than a blur. thus
[I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please?
iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand
on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of
free and open source) how does
the entry level $199 iPhone with 4GB
compare with Freerunner GTA02.
where I get lost is how much RAM iPhone
has vs
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:43:22 -0700 Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
I said this in the channel but you weren't there.
We should be going forward with specs, not backward. By the time the
next revisions come there'll be a whole new generation of hardware so
the freerunner will then
It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices
have yet to be announced.
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Subject: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
3G iPhone coverage:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/wwdc-2008-coverage-roundup-the-iphone-3g-has-landed/
Its a good phone. extended Office functionality is missing though. $199 is
just too good a price to beat.
Rahul J
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Richard Reichenbacher
[EMAIL
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 22:37:33 -0700 Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
[I trust this will not initiate a flame war.] Please?
iPhone v2 announced today. I'd like to understand
on a hardware basis ONLY (I grok the value of
free and open source) how does
the entry level $199 iPhone with
Hello,
I won't coment on the techical specs, but the pricing is in no way
comparable. The iPhone v2 might be 199$, but that's with a 2 year ATT
subscription. If you want a real comparison of the real device price, at
least double the iPhone price. There was some country where Apple had to
sell
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 02:45:20 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
lots of devices out there with the same specs - or much better. 800x480
@3.2 or even 2.8 are out there and selling. on shelves - from major
manufacturers.
Show me one with GSM and Linux.
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| I have seen it this morning in the planet.openmoko.com,
| http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/
| Andrzej balrog-kun Zaborowski was able to use mplayer with glamo
|
A request - can anyone identify the latest stable kernel and rootfs (ASU and
GTK) for the Freerunner and Neo 1973. I have trying them from 10 june
backwards and almost all of them crash after booting or cannot make phone
calls.
thanks
Rakshat
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It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices
have yet to be announced.
as i understand, 199 is apple's price -- providers may subsidise the
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I'm sorry to break into your nice flamewar, but I've just wanted to ask:
pro-QVGA people, are you serious?
In two years (yep, that's when GTA03 will be released judging by GTA01-02)
QVGA will be just like floppy drives on notebooks - totally non completive.
And won't be because everybody *really
In comparison to other phones on similar subscription plans $199 is quite a
steal.
That never ending list of specs! I'm no appleguy but I gotta hand it to 3G.
Rahul J
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hello,
I won't coment on the techical specs, but the
Hi Carsten
I suppose you passion to be in favor of qvga has to have an strong reason.
You have asked to us why be prefer vga vs qvga and I thing this long long
thread can be resumed as because is better (isolating it to resolution
question only)
I propose you to the answer the reverse
it's not 199$... cause it's a subsidized phone...
try to get it without any operator contract... at 199$ ;)
2008/6/10 Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
3G iPhone coverage:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/wwdc-2008-coverage-roundup-the-iphone-3g-has-landed/
Its a good phone. extended Office
0n Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 01:43:08PM +0800, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
we are in a world where to get gfx support to run such high resolutions
means we need to have closed drivers. and that is not
Curious, why is that ?
-aW
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About data wipe:
I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number?
And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it?
Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS message
receiving.
If you have several SIM cards, than we could create simple SIM card
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:45:18 +0200, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 07:37:33 Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
-- larger physical screen size (but about the same dpi?)
i do belive the iphone is lower dpi as the GTA02 is smaller in size, but
higher in rez.
--
I suppose the cell phone number should be more then unique enough.
On 6/10/08, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
About data wipe:
I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number?
And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it?
Phone could wipe itself if another SIM
Or you just use an infrared proximity sensor. I was thinking it might
be possible to do the same on the Freerunner with the accelerometers.
On 6/10/08, Raphael Wimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:45:18 +0200, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tuesday 10 June 2008
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:10:20 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Hi Carsten
I suppose you passion to be in favor of qvga has to have an strong reason.
You have asked to us why be prefer vga vs qvga and I thing this long long
thread can be resumed as because is
arne anka wrote:
It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices
have yet to be announced.
as i understand, 199 is apple's price -- providers may subsidise the
iphone, too.
No, 199$ is a operator subsidised price.
from
Doh? It fires up but where is this beautiful desktop wallpaper? Ok, maybe I
can find it somewhere in the configs. :)
Roland
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On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, rakshat hooja wrote:
A request - can anyone identify the latest stable kernel and rootfs (ASU
and GTK) for the Freerunner and Neo 1973. I have trying them from 10 june
backwards and almost all of them crash after booting or cannot make phone
calls.
The latest stable
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I suppose the cell phone number should be more then unique enough.
Yup. But I don't know if we're able to obtain it (don't see reason to RTFM
before obtaining of Freerunner).
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the only
thing we have is gta03 - same cpu as freerunner etc etc. just different gsm
subsystem (2g/edge) and no glamo (dumb 2442 fb), new case, added camera.
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Btw, QVGA won't cost much less (it doesn't now and in two years it could be,
in fact, more expensive than VGA).
That has been especially true of flash drives - I remember seeing a
16MB flash drive that cost more then the same
as i have said before - gta03 is vga - as it stands, but can go to qvga
easily,
but is unlikely to. in the future who knows. it'd be a tradeoff of screen
pixel
count vs processor speed vs any graphics acceleration we can get - if any.
--
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
2008/6/9 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide font
-
possible (3 pixels
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:44 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:10:20 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Hi Carsten
I suppose you passion to be in favor of qvga has to have an strong reason.
You have asked to us why
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2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
what people have been saying here is that they have excellent eyesight and can
see a tin 2.8 vga screen well enough to make use of it. like really see the
difference and be able to do things with that res that would be not possible,
eg we make a miniature phone that is 1/2 the size of the freerunner
- qvga is very very likely - or even less as vga just wont be available
at that size
well, less physical size is a very plausible rationale for qvga (or hvga)
-- but, as i understand, we are talking about the size of the
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 13:46:59 Justyn Butler wrote:
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the
only thing we have is gta03 - same cpu as freerunner etc etc. just
different gsm subsystem (2g/edge) and
Hi guys,
we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded
systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa
directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it.
However just recently I ponder whether I should remove
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Sheesh, what's with all the hate? I swear the open source community
should sometimes just be called the hater's club.
This page [1] is generally a good overview of the iPhone. Lets be
Maybe this was a typo, but are you saying that the current plan is to
ditch the existing GSM subsystem yet replace it with a modem that
can't even handle 3G?
That sounds crazy!
Think of GTA03 as the with camera variation of Freerunner . GTA04 most prob
will have 3G and hopefully other
I do not understand this thurst for specs comparisons, since what's
interresting in Apple's product is generally the software.
So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ?
What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ?
I checked both openmoko and maemo,
Will this mean I wont be able to hear an SMS arrive in background while I
listen to music?
Rahul J
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi guys,
we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded
systems) on our rootfs for
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Benedikt Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ilja O. schrieb:
About data wipe:
I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number?
And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it?
Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys,
we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded
systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa
directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix
Interesting idea. There are some problems I see with it:
-The screen is very small so typing with two thumbs and trying to see
what you type gets difficult.
-When you type with two fingers, you happen to touch the screen with
both at once sometimes and with our resistive touchscreen that
registers
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:01:03 +0530 rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
as i have said before - gta03 is vga - as it stands, but can go to qvga
easily,
but is unlikely to. in the future who knows. it'd be a tradeoff of screen
pixel
count vs processor speed vs any graphics
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:46:59 +0100 Justyn Butler justynbutler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the only
thing we have is gta03 - same cpu as freerunner etc etc. just
hi Mickey,
click sound is normally the first thing I deactivate when I get a new
phone that uses this.
thanks for asking BTW.
have fun
k.
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Won't the constant use of the vibrator decrease our FreeRunners expected
lifetime?
I don't really need a clicking sound, but the phone should be able to inform us
with an audio signal that we are recieving a call/SMS, even when we are
listening to music
Michael, did you recieve my mail to
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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2008/6/10 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Not at all. First, 03 is about evolution, so change as few parts as possible.
Sorry I didn't make it clearer, but what I find so surprising is that
the GSM subsystem IS being changed but the opportunity to upgrade to
3G is not being taken.
3 480x272. it's thinner than the current vga 2.8 by a fair bit and a tiny
bit
longer (as it is wide). it seems almost the perfect screen for a
smaller/slimmer model like gta04/05 etc. same # of pixels as the PSP
screen,
but in a much smaller space.
http://www.firefox.com
Good enough for
Opinions?
my 2c: i hate those accoustic feedbacks.
isn't it possible to use the vibration for that kind of feedback, if
somebody likes it?
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On 10 Jun 2008, at 02:17, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
browsing full web pages scrammed into a 2.8 screen as many have
suggested, is
really... pushing such a tiny screen far beyond its usefulness. web
pages are
designed for 14 or 17 screens or so. squeezing them down into
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
correct. no 3g for gta03.
Could you confirm if there is edge, or just normal GPRS?
Cheers,
Federico
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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
nb - your chars just become tall (3x7). eg:
I understand. I would
So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ?
What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ?
I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how
far we are (we = the FOSS people) from Apple and Google.
why should we compete with apple
Hi guys,
we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded
systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa
directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it.
Hi,
I saw threads about this on the pulseaudio-discuss
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) pisze:
[...]
maybe it just needs people to actually use it for a while and they might begin
to see that a lower res screen may just be fine and not as bad as they think.
the things you want to do are possible at lower resolutions.
well, as for now I have
On 10 Jun 2008, at 14:08, Benedikt Schindler wrote:
Ilja O. schrieb:
About data wipe:
I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number?
And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it?
Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS
message
Hi,
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer schrieb:
we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded
systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa
directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it.
However just recently I
Hello everyone,
I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows
their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy
an openmoko is the freedom.
But the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will cost
only $199 USD and
Ortwin Regel wrote:
There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is
really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution
(obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed
up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but
cedric cellier wrote:
[snip]
So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ?
What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ?
[snip]
The MobileMe initiative was a far bigger announcement yesterday than the
3G iPhone. Once one uses a Treo or similar linked to
As long as visual feedback is adequate, I don't see why not.
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer pravi:
Hi guys,
we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded
systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa
directly was because of mixing, since
Jorge . wrote:
Hello everyone,
I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows
their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy
an openmoko is the freedom.
But the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will cost
My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market
asks for this:
- An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is
mentioning as subject for removal.
- Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the gameing
controls but
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Jorge . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone,
I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows
their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy
an openmoko is the freedom.
But the new iPhone 3G
I'm with Robert on this one. Took me a while to parse many of the
characters on that image.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, robert lazarski wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ilja O. wrote:
Why not just have the phone wipe itself when the SIM card changes?
That's what i was proposing from the beginning.
But for users like me with multiple valid SIM cards, I think being able
to run a script/app on the phone that says this SIM is valid, don't do
a wipe would be
Hi,
I wonder if audio support is available when I build the qemu with MokoMakefile
and make qemu? Sorry for bad english. :) I'm still improving it. ;)
BTW: I have added --enable-alsa to the configure script because I have ALSA
here.
Roland
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Federico Lorenzi wrote:
The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized
through a 2 year ATT contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs
nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract.
... and per my last Email, the lack of subsidies for the Freerunner,
where you
What the hell?! Seems like a lot of people STILL don't get it:
The iPhone does NOT cost 199$.
It's a marketing lie. The actual price is 199$ + a two year contract.
That makes it probably closer to 1000$. The Neo is still very very
cheap compared to that, especially considering how few Neo phones
On 10 Jun 2008, at 14:13, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
...
we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded
systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not
to use alsa
directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not
cut it.
There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in
Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably
godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no
monthly fees at all. Much cheaper for me than any contract. So for me
the price advantage over an
For the record: I was talking about the gaming controls of my Tapwave
Zodiac. I realize that this was probably not all that clear from the
context and apologize.
I think branching into multiple devices starts making sense with the
switch to a new SoC. As it is, it looks like GTA03 is supposed to
For bonus marks, have it send gps coordinates charged against the
new sim card's account every few minutes and see the look on his face
when cops walk up to him :)
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Stroller wrote:
On 10 Jun 2008, at 14:08, Benedikt Schindler wrote:
Ilja O. schrieb:
About data wipe:
Stroller wrote:
Reading these posts of the last few days it has just occurred to me
that it's not Carsten we should be beating up on here.
Who the heck asked for translucency and flashy animations?
Management seem to be asking for this alpha bleeding rubbish, and
it seems to me that we
Well said.
Ortwin
On 6/10/08, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9 Jun 2008, at 01:56, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
... i am asked by product management to do
things that are just not possible in vga (to do sanely/fast).
... in the end if product management want X they get X.
You've forgotten about the extra grand and a half in contract charges.
(that's just in the US, I hate to think what they'll be like here in
Canada).
Seems inexpensive to me :)
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Jorge . wrote:
Hello everyone,
I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone.
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9 Jun 2008, at 01:56, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
... i am asked by product management to do
things that are just not possible in vga (to do sanely/fast).
... in the end if product management want X they get X.
I have used an iPhone, my wife's. The animations are pretty at first.
After a while, they're just annoying. My wife gets impatient waiting for
windows to get out of the way so she can get on with what she's trying to
do. What's really funny is that some times the phone will do all that neat
*sigh*
The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized
through a 2 year ATT contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs
nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract.
Just look Ebay, amazon, etc... you can buy unlocked iPhones for almost the
price they have
Ortwin Regel wrote:
There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in
Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably
godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no
monthly fees at all. Much cheaper for me than any contract. So for me
the
Roland Häder wrote:
My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market
asks for this:
- An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is
mentioning as subject for removal.
- Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the
Yeh it is all relative to your country and usage pattern. In the UK
you can get a prepaid SIM with data capped at £1 per day. I don't need
a contract (I don't make many calls/sms) so the cost of the Freerunner
is a lot more attractive to me! Especially at it seems Apple will now
make you activate
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in
Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably
godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no
monthly fees at all. Much
I'm investigating a phone for a person whos recently lost most of his
eyesight and thinking about the freerunner.
Does anyone have experience with phones for nearly blind people?
I'm considering the freerunner rather than a simple phone with very
large buttons for the following reasons:
- it
Ortwin Regel wrote:
Reading these posts of the last few days it has just occurred to me
that it's not Carsten we should be beating up on here.
Who the heck asked for translucency and flashy animations?
Management seem to be asking for this alpha bleeding rubbish, and
it seems to me that we
Ken Young wrote:
This is especially true because if the GTA03 tries to be an iPhone
clone, it will be at best a half-assed iPhone clone. The hardware just
isn't competitive with an iPhone's. If the GTA03 has QVGA, will it have
fast 3G networking? No. Will it have a state-of-the-art
This means no longer being able to mix sounds, but rather stick them
into a queue and play them sequentially.
Someone else has already mentioned SMS notification whilst listening
to music, but also my GPS concept is affected. If a driver is
approaching an accident blackspot he cannot afford
Having said that, why wait for an incoming text?
Why not just have the phone wipe itself when the SIM card changes?
Not by default!! People that travel between North America and Europe
often maintain two (or more!!) SIMs to take advantage of cheaper calling
in different
Andy Powell wrote:
At some point we're going to start explaining to the folks at OM that we
can't
actually afford to buy every model they produce to help fund this
evolution... I really don't want to have a collection of interesting but
ultimately useless devices - Let's face it the
Jorge . wrote:
Just look Ebay, amazon, etc... you can buy unlocked iPhones for almost the
price they have with ATT, in fact there is no ATT in my country, an i could
buy one on many shops in the downtown (dont misunderstand me, i want the
FreeRunner!!).
I am sure it will happen again
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Jorge . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*sigh*
The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized
through a 2 year ATT contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs
nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract.
Just look Ebay, amazon, etc...
I think what Ian is trying to say is that contract or not, you still have to
pay for your phone service and data service. So if you spend US$50/mo on a
data plan, it does come out to be more expensive with the FreeRunner if and
*only if* you plan to use the phone for two years. if you plan on
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact 2G/Edge is really fast (more like standard ADSL speeds over here in
Europe).
You're kidding, right?
EDGE maxes out at about 470 kbps - if you get a full channel (8 timeslots)
for yourself.
In most GSM networks one of the
Robert Taylor wrote:
Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap
your fingers and you get everything instantly?
It sure sounds like you aren't interested in the openness of the moko
but more of a consumer device ... yes / no?
I'm with you on the multitude of
On 6/10/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ortwin Regel wrote:
There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is
really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution
(obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed
up the 02
Granted, the Apple and ATT partnership greatly subsidizes the cost,
because of the $960 ($40/mo unlimited data plan for 2 yrs) to $2400
($100/mo unlimited voice/data for 2 yrs) that you'd spend with ATT also
helps cover the hidden cost of the hardware.
No doubt, but you can buy unlocked
Ah, thanks for making it clear. :)
On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, Ortwin Regel wrote:
For the record: I was talking about the gaming controls of my Tapwave
Zodiac. I realize that this was probably not all that clear from the
context and apologize.
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I wonder: Might it be useful/possible to add a connector for Bug
modules to a future Openmoko phone?
On 6/10/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roland Häder wrote:
My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the
market
asks for this:
- An OpenMoko for younger
I third this (if that is even how you say it...)
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