Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
2008/11/21 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As Raster's already pushed hard on Glamo acceleration, and I know he's quite capable (I was an old enlightenment WM user back in the day), I consider the glamo issue closed. We're stuck with what we have, and simply have to find ways to be efficient with what what's already there. Yes, efficiency, but let's remember the stable-tracking kernel has Glamo core clock boosted from 50MHz to 80MHz with some wait states disabled - it also does bring additional performance to play with / optimize for. And I don't know what where the exact details for some big (?) wait state somewhere in the driver that was earlier hoped to be gotten ridden of, but which turned out not to be easy? Something, somehow, is anyway hopefully fixable in addition to boosting the clock speeds, since the CPU usage of using Glamo seems quite ridiculous at times. I'm taking a protective role for the community in all this. IMHO the community's what makes the OM phone interesting. I'd rather not see well-intentioned hackers spend long months on a venture with little likely return. This is something that depends on what the mentioned hackers want to do. It's not anyone else's job to tell others how to spend their free time. And also little return is quite relative. As for QVGA Glamo 3D support, I think it would be really worthwhile not only to have it, but to have the possibility to try out eg. Clutter-based applications during GTA02 lifeframe. It would benefit a lot also the future generations of Openmoko hardware. By the time the GTA03's entering its lifetime, hopefully there should be some good options available. I like the idea of one or more vector units.. I'm hoping that with the openness on the desktop side - AMD, Intel, Via and XGI, it cannot be indefinitely until there is also mobile graphics chipsets available with open documentation. It's not that much more special and on the desktop side you have already basically everybody but one vendor (nvidia). -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:09 AM, Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/21 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip I'm taking a protective role for the community in all this. IMHO the community's what makes the OM phone interesting. I'd rather not see well-intentioned hackers spend long months on a venture with little likely return. This is something that depends on what the mentioned hackers want to do. It's not anyone else's job to tell others how to spend their free time. And also little return is quite relative. As for QVGA Glamo 3D support, I think it would be really worthwhile not only to have it, but to have the possibility to try out eg. Clutter-based applications during GTA02 lifeframe. It would benefit a lot also the future generations of Openmoko hardware. I'm not stopping anyone, just making sure they know what they're getting into. By the time the GTA03's entering its lifetime, hopefully there should be some good options available. I like the idea of one or more vector units.. I'm hoping that with the openness on the desktop side - AMD, Intel, Via and XGI, it cannot be indefinitely until there is also mobile graphics chipsets available with open documentation. It's not that much more special and on the desktop side you have already basically everybody but one vendor (nvidia). -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there any kind of network manager?
Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! As in the subject - is there any connection manager available for Freerunner to switch and manage between WiFi, GPRS and usb? I've seen connection manager in Illume, but it seems to be empty. What is left to implement to get it working? Are there any alternatives? It's possible to connect to WiFi with command line or mofi, to GPRS with simple script, but maybe there is something better already? Are there any particular plans for network management? Did you have a particular distro in mind? Qtopia has GUI network management. Debian and Gentoo have their usual options. Android would have its GUI, but not all of the networking is currently working. The connection manager in 2008.x was going to use connman as a lighter version of NetworkManager, but it turned out to have too many incomplete parts as yet. FSO and SHR don't yet have anything as networking has only just made it onto the roadmap. You can always use NetworkManager, though AFAIK nobody has done a GUI for it that suits the small screen and lack of tray. Or you could follow Joel Newkirk's simple lightweight configuration described at http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast screen rotate app
Hi, i've used FDOM(great distro) for just a while and the only thing I didn't like was the really slow rotate app. So here is a slightly faster one. The source is in a bazaar repository. It can be get from here: https://turmspitze.org/pubbzr/rotate I will build binaries on request. Have fun! Moritz Hi Moritz, I'd be interested in testing it. A binary would be welcome :) Thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Debian] xterm shortcut
After I set my driver to Xglamo, [ctrl]+[alt]+[x] no longer launches xterm. How do I get it back? Alternatively, i can maybe just customize ./xsession so xterm starts automatically. Any idea? -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] new version with page flipping corrected.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:12, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 16:16, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Just a question before trying these files: do they allow to play media like before? well I don't know since I have never tried playing media... Have you tried ? And what kind of media could you play ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] xterm shortcut
Actually, with Xglamo, [alt]+[tab] also doesn't work. I guess i'm returning to fbdev for now. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Neil Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: ahh, so it was Xglamo that did that (ive been at a confrence and havent had time to look discovered i have the no wake from suspend bug after a format, lol bad timing.) just putting xterm in ./xsession works for me I have two starting on login. unfortunatly i cant help you any further (i actually thought that it was the illume keyboard that didnt do it, but hey). 2008/11/21 Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] After I set my driver to Xglamo, [ctrl]+[alt]+[x] no longer launches xterm. How do I get it back? Alternatively, i can maybe just customize ./xsession so xterm starts automatically. Any idea? -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast screen rotate app
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:43:14PM +0100, Moritz Bitsch wrote: Hi, i've used FDOM(great distro) for just a while and the only thing I didn't like was the really slow rotate app. So here is a slightly faster one. The source is in a bazaar repository. It can be get from here: https://turmspitze.org/pubbzr/rotate I will build binaries on request. Have you tried http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate ? Rui -- Or is it? Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
2008/11/20 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it's accelerated - but likely polling the command queue status as you have
no
interrupts thanks to the linux kernel's policy of not exporting interrupts
to
userspace, so you're stuck with a poll loop. i can't remember if glamo had
a
i'm done interrupt for the command queue or operations - i know it had
several interrupts it can generate (but as the kernel wouldnt allow
userspace
to make use of them i pretty much ignored them).
I'm not sure I understand completely, may you elaborate this?
Profiling my loop:
{
switch foreground paint color
draw a vertical line from 0,0 to 0,639
XCopyArea to scroll the screen 1 pixel right
XFlush
usleep(4) to have aproximately 25 fps
}
I got that:XCopyArea + XFlush are about 100 microseconds long, usleep is
about 44000, and as the last is not cpu intensive this should results in a
near 0% cpu busy. But as top reports 70% of cpu wasted by glamo (vmstat
reports 25% user time and about 50% system time), I added after XFlush a
call to XSync, and this reported another 4 microseconds wasted while
waiting for X server to complete the request. As top reports again 70% of
busy cpu I suppose that during the XSync the main CPU is working and suppose
this is not only due to protocol latency and other overhead, but the glamo
driver is doing some other things while the gpu is blitting.
Is this the interrupt problem you are referring to?
And if this is true would be possible to write a workaround?
You are right, 2d is accelerated but this is unuseful if the cpu has to be
busy while the gpu is working!
Regards
Nicola
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Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | so right now other than bugs and trying to minimise cpu overhead on handling | the commandqueue 2d is done - it's not getting faster. only thing left is 3d. | and that comes with a long list of gotchas. this is the bit where someone needs | to make a call on what is the effort needed, and the result. this is up to | openmoko to decide what to do as the docs are in their hands. 2d is pretty much | done. :) Having heard the down side :-) whatever else one can say about it compared to other hardware, Glamo 3D unit is interesting for two reasons: first the render work happens on the other side of the bus, past the bottleneck. A large part of the 8MB on-chip memory is available to hold assets that can be prepped beforehand, these can be operated on by the 3D unit with no real CPU bus load. Even allowing for the constraints we can expect smooth 3D capability on the LCM from this far beyond what software render could manage, and with the CPU able to work in parallel. The second reason is that if we leverage pure xorg - Mesa - OpenGL ES basis for this implementation, the architecture of autonomous rendering is very compatible with future products which will also feed themselves from (shared) memory without heavy CPU involvement. So we bring GTA02 up into being able to use OpenGL ES-based apps, games and UI we can expect in future with minimal or no special-casing. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkmjhsACgkQOjLpvpq7dMq30QCfVq1lx6s8nVxPGk1PEpotUz8/ 1OQAn3eIm3LFHkAb0TsCDUeOsvhJbSRC =ciVI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO M4] Where is it?
I can't seem to find a link to download the images (kernel File System) of FSO Milestone 4 either on the openmoko wiki pages or on freesmartphone wiki either. Does this have to be built from scratch or are there pre-built images? Thanks for any help ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] xterm shortcut
ahh, so it was Xglamo that did that (ive been at a confrence and havent had time to look discovered i have the no wake from suspend bug after a format, lol bad timing.) just putting xterm in ./xsession works for me I have two starting on login. unfortunatly i cant help you any further (i actually thought that it was the illume keyboard that didnt do it, but hey). 2008/11/21 Atilla Filiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] After I set my driver to Xglamo, [ctrl]+[alt]+[x] no longer launches xterm. How do I get it back? Alternatively, i can maybe just customize ./xsession so xterm starts automatically. Any idea? -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO M4] Where is it?
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:01:08PM +, Arigead wrote: I can't seem to find a link to download the images (kernel File System) of FSO Milestone 4 either on the openmoko wiki pages or on freesmartphone wiki either. Does this have to be built from scratch or are there pre-built images? Thanks for any help There were, I think it's the same problem with patent trolls that took the other images (search for openmoko patent mp3 on your favorite search engine). Rui -- Or is it? Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:59 +0100 Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
2008/11/20 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it's accelerated - but likely polling the command queue status as you have
no
interrupts thanks to the linux kernel's policy of not exporting interrupts
to
userspace, so you're stuck with a poll loop. i can't remember if glamo had
a
i'm done interrupt for the command queue or operations - i know it had
several interrupts it can generate (but as the kernel wouldnt allow
userspace
to make use of them i pretty much ignored them).
I'm not sure I understand completely, may you elaborate this?
Profiling my loop:
{
switch foreground paint color
draw a vertical line from 0,0 to 0,639
XCopyArea to scroll the screen 1 pixel right
XFlush
usleep(4) to have aproximately 25 fps
}
I got that:XCopyArea + XFlush are about 100 microseconds long, usleep is
about 44000, and as the last is not cpu intensive this should results in a
near 0% cpu busy. But as top reports 70% of cpu wasted by glamo (vmstat
reports 25% user time and about 50% system time), I added after XFlush a
call to XSync, and this reported another 4 microseconds wasted while
waiting for X server to complete the request. As top reports again 70% of
busy cpu I suppose that during the XSync the main CPU is working and suppose
this is not only due to protocol latency and other overhead, but the glamo
driver is doing some other things while the gpu is blitting.
Is this the interrupt problem you are referring to?
And if this is true would be possible to write a workaround?
You are right, 2d is accelerated but this is unuseful if the cpu has to be
busy while the gpu is working!
XSync sends a request to x and waits for a reply - so your client app will stop
and wait until x replies. x will reply once it has completed all existing
requests - that means the XCopeArea. while your app is waiting xglamo is
waiting for the gfx chip to do the work - and likely its sitting in a loop
polling checking when the command is done.
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Re: [FSO M4] Where is it?
^^ http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/ Arigead wrote: I can't seem to find a link to download the images (kernel File System) of FSO Milestone -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-M4--Where-is-it--tp1561480p1561534.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
Hi, all this talking without outcome is very boring to read. :| I cannot help with the development of a free 3D-capable driver for the Glamo directly instead I offer money! As soon as cofundos.org is working again (I hope they haven't shut it down) I will create a project and offer 50€ to the people who develop that driver. Of course, to make the money offer attractive some more people need to join. That will be up to the community. Spread the word! Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers ... come on lets do it.
Update! Hi, I am also open for alternative payments like a box of beer, wine or whatever. After all this is all about having fun, isn't it? :) Regards Robert Robert Schuster schrieb: Hi, all this talking without outcome is very boring to read. :| I cannot help with the development of a free 3D-capable driver for the Glamo directly instead I offer money! As soon as cofundos.org is working again (I hope they haven't shut it down) I will create a project and offer 50€ to the people who develop that driver. Of course, to make the money offer attractive some more people need to join. That will be up to the community. Spread the word! Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers ... come on lets do it.
i'm willing to send some good belgian beer On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Robert Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Update! Hi, I am also open for alternative payments like a box of beer, wine or whatever. After all this is all about having fun, isn't it? :) Regards Robert Robert Schuster schrieb: Hi, all this talking without outcome is very boring to read. :| I cannot help with the development of a free 3D-capable driver for the Glamo directly instead I offer money! As soon as cofundos.org is working again (I hope they haven't shut it down) I will create a project and offer 50€ to the people who develop that driver. Of course, to make the money offer attractive some more people need to join. That will be up to the community. Spread the word! Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Survey about the Touchscreen
Hi, it would be interesting to know which type of touch-screen that people would prefer to use on their future OpenMoko device. A not so scientific survey can be found at: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.html Best regards Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
2008/11/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] XSync sends a request to x and waits for a reply - so your client app will stop and wait until x replies. x will reply once it has completed all existing requests - that means the XCopeArea. while your app is waiting xglamo is waiting for the gfx chip to do the work - and likely its sitting in a loop polling checking when the command is done. Thanks Raster, now things are becoming clear :) The glamo chip should raise an interrupt when the command is done, a specialized kernel module should export this interrupt to the userspace so Xglamo may suspend waiting for this interrupt without wasting cpu cycles! I suppose that this should be quite easy and cheap for Openmoko developers, may it be considered? This will really improve the device performance! Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Vikas Saurabh wrote: I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone might get excited with iPhone's UI. What we would have to remember: * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun of high reso is gone * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but is often manageable with fingers as well Agree. Either a really big capacitive screen with no boarders or a small hi res screen as currently (I like it) with either a stylus or a keypad. I would vote for the same screen as currently used or at least the same quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes pretty much failed) -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone might get excited with iPhone's UI. What we would have to remember: * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun of high reso is gone * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but is often manageable with fingers as well --Vikas On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, it would be interesting to know which type of touch-screen that people would prefer to use on their future OpenMoko device. A not so scientific survey can be found at: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.html Best regards Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Then a capacitive screen would do wonders for motivating the development of proper finger-input on the keypad... ;-D On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vikas Saurabh wrote: I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone might get excited with iPhone's UI. What we would have to remember: * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun of high reso is gone * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but is often manageable with fingers as well Agree. Either a really big capacitive screen with no boarders or a small hi res screen as currently (I like it) with either a stylus or a keypad. I would vote for the same screen as currently used or at least the same quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes pretty much failed) -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 for the same screen as currently used or at least the same quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes pretty much failed) Same for me: 1. Bigger screen (With this resolution we can permit) 2. Same resolution ( I like it a lot :) 3. Current touch technology Regards Michele Renda -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkmvJ0ACgkQSIAU/I6SkT0V/wCfTeKrtfijXxS3Ah6mtHcM8IbH q8wAnjv4v5jSWlKkts5NiW516vwqCmiA =23uE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
harald welte did good for via: http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/pressrelease.jsp?press_release_no=2887 let's ship him to smedia :) On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] XSync sends a request to x and waits for a reply - so your client app will stop and wait until x replies. x will reply once it has completed all existing requests - that means the XCopeArea. while your app is waiting xglamo is waiting for the gfx chip to do the work - and likely its sitting in a loop polling checking when the command is done. Thanks Raster, now things are becoming clear :) The glamo chip should raise an interrupt when the command is done, a specialized kernel module should export this interrupt to the userspace so Xglamo may suspend waiting for this interrupt without wasting cpu cycles! I suppose that this should be quite easy and cheap for Openmoko developers, may it be considered? This will really improve the device performance! Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re : Receiving empty sms after registration
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:47 AM, François Rigaudie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Same problem for me with the same french operator. I receive those SMS (_@ or _/\@) when I have a message in my voice-mailbox. Clearly they should be interpreted by the phone to indicate that a new message is waiting to be listened. I also have duplication of SMS messages in my FR every time I register. I don't know if this operator uses special protocol with this empty SMS or if the FR should interpret them. Does anybody knows something about that ? -- *De :* Alexandre Girard [EMAIL PROTECTED] *À :* List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi, 31 Octobre 2008, 13h03mn 33s *Objet :* Receiving empty sms after registration T-mobile USA has the same problem but ours come from 129 if I remember correctly. Also when you delete the message you'll get another one that also appears blank. This was tested on 2008.9 and FDOM based on 2008.8-update. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Michele Renda wrote: [...] Same for me: 1. Bigger screen (With this resolution we can permit) 2. Same resolution ( I like it a lot :) 3. Current touch technology And borderless screen. I like everything I have except that there are sections unavailable on the screen because there is this plastic border. I suppose it would be possible to make borderless case so my point be invalid... however I haven't seen any other case except the official one. Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | 2008/11/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | XSync sends a request to x and waits for a reply - so your client | app will stop | and wait until x replies. x will reply once it has completed all | existing | requests - that means the XCopeArea. while your app is waiting xglamo is | waiting for the gfx chip to do the work - and likely its sitting in | a loop | polling checking when the command is done. | | | Thanks Raster, now things are becoming clear :) | The glamo chip should raise an interrupt when the command is done, a | specialized kernel module should export this interrupt to the userspace | so Xglamo may suspend waiting for this interrupt without wasting cpu cycles! | I suppose that this should be quite easy and cheap for Openmoko | developers, may it be considered? | This will really improve the device performance! Graeme seems to be planning to do his xorg version of Xglamo partially in kernelspace to unify the locking, that would be when to do this too. The Glamo's interrupt itself is supported and working, it's the basis for the same waiting strategy (yielding until completion interrupt) in the Glamo MMC stuff. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkmvsIACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqv2ACeOBYzeq9vyfgisJSznt+Fr3HL YCMAn1yqajW9/lTDFcnjcJVIhPJlkgnN =oTbc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Best 4.4.2 image?
I went to get mwester kernel and modules Currently i run qtextended from SD card (my flashed distro is FDOM) following the How-to on wiki, so I have /dev/mmcblk0p1 that contains uImage.bin and /dev/mmcblk0p2 thta contains flatted jffs2 image I overwrited the kernel image (uImage.bin) that I had on my SD, but for the modules i just tar it to replace the current /lib in the /dev/mmcblk0p2 partition. Is this correct? Cause i Tried and I'm getting KErnel Panic all the time if i boot Qt from the SD card? Pander-2 wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images please update with later versions or alternatives -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtExtended--Best-4.4.2-image--tp1518738p1561832.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most intimate personal device. There should be no intermediary in the user interface. Aliasid On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Michele Renda wrote: [...] Same for me: 1. Bigger screen (With this resolution we can permit) 2. Same resolution ( I like it a lot :) 3. Current touch technology And borderless screen. I like everything I have except that there are sections unavailable on the screen because there is this plastic border. I suppose it would be possible to make borderless case so my point be invalid... however I haven't seen any other case except the official one. Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Am Friday 21 November 2008 14:58:47 schrieb Lech Karol Pawłaszek: And borderless screen. I like everything I have except that there are sections unavailable on the screen because there is this plastic border. I suppose it would be possible to make borderless case so my point be invalid... however I haven't seen any other case except the official one. That would be awsum, sadly I neither have the skills to do so nor the machines. :( -Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other damaging things to happen to the display... In that case a hard surface would be preferable. Best regards, Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Michele Renda wrote: [...] Same for me: 1. Bigger screen (With this resolution we can permit) 2. Same resolution ( I like it a lot :) 3. Current touch technology And borderless screen. I like everything I have except that there are sections unavailable on the screen because there is this plastic border. I suppose it would be possible to make borderless case so my point be invalid... however I haven't seen any other case except the official one. Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Al Iasid ha scritto: IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most intimate personal device. There should be no intermediary in the user interface. Aliasid +++ definitely agree :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
nothing a good screenprotector can't prevent 2008/11/21 Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other damaging things to happen to the display... In that case a hard surface would be preferable. Best regards, Anton ___ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nothing a good screenprotector can't prevent 2008/11/21 Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you make a borderless case the risk is bigger for scratches and other damaging things to happen to the display... In that case a hard surface would be preferable. You can have a stylus for the capacitive screens: http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php Donno if you can get it finer than that. Personally, the stylus is a pain 90% of the time. The last bit it's very useful, but IMHO not worth the pain the rest of the time. A 480x640 screen can show a lot of information, even if it's navigated by finger-only. -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Hi Yann. Should I press the button twice? once? I sent the Phone.apk into the apps dir, but the answer didn't work for me. Is there any tricky around that? Thanks, -- Denis On 20/11/2008, at 22:05, Yann neveu wrote: Le jeudi 20 novembre 2008 21:23:33 Yann neveu, vous avez écrit : Le jeudi 20 novembre 2008 21:01:48 Petr Vanek, vous avez écrit : This sounds great! You can boot another distro from the uSD card and then mount the root rw: mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /media/cf ok, i've installed a fresh om-testing on card ( nicer than ever ) and modified init.rc to mount rootfs rw. Copied Phone.apk in /system/app/Phone.apk, rebooted and... placed a call to myself. I've successfully answered using power button. So, seems to work :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
My two reais. My choince is a capacitive screen, and we must consider the user finger interaction when developing applications. Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget, what we NEED is an easy way to handle the phone, carry a stylus should not be a good idea, is a step backwards. The final product is a button less phone. You only need the screen for all operations. Dot period. -- Denis Brazil On 21/11/2008, at 10:55, Anton Persson wrote: Hi, it would be interesting to know which type of touch-screen that people would prefer to use on their future OpenMoko device. A not so scientific survey can be found at: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.html Best regards Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Larger screen. More real estate for a keyboard, basically, the current ones are just on the boundary of unusable with a finger and anything bigger would take up too much space; you need a comfortable amount of space for the application and the on screen input. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Survey-about-the-Touchscreen-tp1561613p1561964.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast screen rotate app
Hi, I've built a small binary package. It can be get from here: https://turmspitze.org/files/rotate_0.0.1_armv4t.ipk A Source package can be get from here: https://turmspitze.org/files/rotate-0.0.1.tar.gz Moritz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen, if you really need that. What other arguments are there for a resistive screen? Best regards, Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I agree that you don't need a stylus for all operations, and I don't usually need one with the current touch screen, so I don't see why opt for a less capable one (like the iPhone one). Rui On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:29:35PM -0200, Denis Galvão wrote: My two reais. My choince is a capacitive screen, and we must consider the user finger interaction when developing applications. Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget, what we NEED is an easy way to handle the phone, carry a stylus should not be a good idea, is a step backwards. The final product is a button less phone. You only need the screen for all operations. Dot period. -- Denis Brazil On 21/11/2008, at 10:55, Anton Persson wrote: Hi, it would be interesting to know which type of touch-screen that people would prefer to use on their future OpenMoko device. A not so scientific survey can be found at: http://www.733kru.org/~pltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.htmlhttp://www.733kru.org/%7Epltxtra/OpenMoko/survey.html Best regards Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- All Hail Discordia! Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
maybe it's just me, but the pictures on http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php seem to indicate that this is one big mother fucker of a stylus, i mean, the diameter of the stylusis is almost as big as the surface of the tip of you fingers you use to click... (keep in mind you use an area with a much smaller diameter than your finger diameter when operating the TS with your fingers) same type of TS, AT LEAST as big, preferably bigger and no borders is how I would like it to be On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen, if you really need that. What other arguments are there for a resistive screen? Best regards, Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Survey about the Touchscreen
Denis Galvo wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Novelty-factor? Have you ever used an iPhone for a longer period? I know several people who own one now , and they would _NEVER_ turn back to anything like a stylus controlled device, again. I really would _LOVE_ an iPhone, if it came with Free Software... But the novelty factor-argument has been used before... Like when the cell-phone started to be more generally available.. It's just a novelty for the guys at Wall Street... Yeah right... How many of you have cut of the land-line and gone 100% mobile? I have, and there's no looking back. Sure, there was benefits like a lower price per minute, but that's all gone now, almost.. It's certainly not worth the difference any more, and the cell has so many more pro's than the landline... It's the same with the resistive vs capacitive approach, as I see it. There is only one pro with the resistive one, and that's an extremely low pro.. Especially if there is indeed a stylus, albeit with a rather big tip. For the argument that you can use a smaller display if you use a stylus, yeah that's true.. But the OpenMoko looks very poor with such a small display and a HUGE area of NOTHING around it, which could have been used for display purposes instead. Best regards Anton Persson On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anton Persson wrote: Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen, if you really need that. What other arguments are there for a resistive screen? This stylus is not much smaller than a finger tip. I will not say that capacitive is bad, but it is certainly a much bigger challenge for gui development. I'm not sure we are ready for this... And I'm not convinced that a iphone like system is the right platform for a really versatile smartphone. I'm convinced that people will start to see the iphone UI as a limitation when the novelty factor waers off. We should take the best from the iphone (good productive finger controlled apps) but we should not totally commit to this. And I'm not sure that multi touch is really so important and the low res touch sensitivity of the iphone started to anoy me really fast. Text input on a iphone is better than T9, but not really good. We need a bigger screen that's for sure. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Me too, high-res is all good.. But high-res does NOT preclude the use of a capacitive display.. So that's no argument for the classic type... On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Denis Galvo wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:50 -0200, Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi Yann. Should I press the button twice? once? I sent the Phone.apk into the apps dir, but the answer didn't work for me. Is there any tricky around that? Should be juste one on the power button. Have you restarted the phone after the copy? The Phone.apk is on the phone end not on the usd? Anyway, i'll retry later this night to check how and when i pressed. Yann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
2008/11/21 Al Iasid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most intimate personal device. There should be no intermediary in the user interface. I don't really care about using my fingernails, they are always available, but I don't like to use a stylus since I have to find it in the first place. (maybe if the stylus was hidden in the case it would be a little better, but this uses space and it takes more time than fingernails) The primary isses I have with the actual touchscreen is the UI reactivity, I don't know if it's because the touchscreen is slow or because the software is. I agree that a borderless phone would be more practical touchscreen-wise. If this implies using a hard screen, implying capacitive, then why not. Regards, -- Damien Thebault ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 04:51:07PM +0100, Damien Thébault wrote: 2008/11/21 Al Iasid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most intimate personal device. There should be no intermediary in the user interface. I don't really care about using my fingernails, they are always available, but I don't like to use a stylus since I have to find it in the first place. (maybe if the stylus was hidden in the case it would be a little better, but this uses space and it takes more time than fingernails) The primary isses I have with the actual touchscreen is the UI reactivity, I don't know if it's because the touchscreen is slow or because the software is. I agree that a borderless phone would be more practical touchscreen-wise. If this implies using a hard screen, implying capacitive, then why not. If you try out sketch, you see that it's responsive enough and detailed enough for making a written signature :) -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
To just view the current standings in the poll: http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpresult/509337-120694 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 04:51:07PM +0100, Damien Thébault wrote: 2008/11/21 Al Iasid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most intimate personal device. There should be no intermediary in the user interface. I don't really care about using my fingernails, they are always available, but I don't like to use a stylus since I have to find it in the first place. (maybe if the stylus was hidden in the case it would be a little better, but this uses space and it takes more time than fingernails) The primary isses I have with the actual touchscreen is the UI reactivity, I don't know if it's because the touchscreen is slow or because the software is. I agree that a borderless phone would be more practical touchscreen-wise. If this implies using a hard screen, implying capacitive, then why not. If you try out sketch, you see that it's responsive enough and detailed enough for making a written signature :) -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit. The type of the screen is not the only thing. Size and resolution matters too. And even more important. Price and availability. What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises are you ready to make? This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options poll. What goes is eventually a question that can only be answered by looking at sold units in retrospect. What you all want is unimportant, because you can not honestly say that it will bias your buying decision in a way you would admit now. I would like openmoko to do bold steps. But they should also be careful. Tilman Baumann wrote: Vikas Saurabh wrote: I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone might get excited with iPhone's UI. What we would have to remember: * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun of high reso is gone * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but is often manageable with fingers as well Agree. Either a really big capacitive screen with no boarders or a small hi res screen as currently (I like it) with either a stylus or a keypad. I would vote for the same screen as currently used or at least the same quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes pretty much failed) -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
I don't care about the poll. I care about a rich user experience, and what the iPhone has of best is not due to the touchscreen (with the exception of physical area and no huge border) :) On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 05:13:50PM +0100, Anton Persson wrote: To just view the current standings in the poll: http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpresult/509337-120694 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 04:51:07PM +0100, Damien Thébault wrote: 2008/11/21 Al Iasid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO having to dig out a stylus (pen) or use my fingernail is not nearly as convenient or enjoyable as a finger-friendly interface. I don't min hi res or low res - or big or small screen size - as long as the interface is finger-friendly. The cell phone is our most intimate personal device. There should be no intermediary in the user interface. I don't really care about using my fingernails, they are always available, but I don't like to use a stylus since I have to find it in the first place. (maybe if the stylus was hidden in the case it would be a little better, but this uses space and it takes more time than fingernails) The primary isses I have with the actual touchscreen is the UI reactivity, I don't know if it's because the touchscreen is slow or because the software is. I agree that a borderless phone would be more practical touchscreen-wise. If this implies using a hard screen, implying capacitive, then why not. If you try out sketch, you see that it's responsive enough and detailed enough for making a written signature :) -- Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Novelty-factor? Have you ever used an iPhone for a longer period? I know several people who own one now , and they would _NEVER_ turn back to anything like a stylus controlled device, again. I really would _LOVE_ an iPhone, if it came with Free Software... my experience is different. i didn't try iPhone myself, though. (i refuse to use anything from a company like apple,) but i know two people with iPhones and both would not buy one again. biggest problem for them is that it is a bad phone (bad audio quality) and they lose calls sometimes because it just does not ring. (never heard of any phone doing that! ;-) ) second problem is the low resolution. dunno about the touch, though. just my 2 cents ... clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Yann neveu-2 wrote: Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:50 -0200, Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi Yann. Should I press the button twice? once? I sent the Phone.apk into the apps dir, but the answer didn't work for me. Is there any tricky around that? Should be juste one on the power button. Have you restarted the phone after the copy? The Phone.apk is on the phone end not on the usd? Anyway, i'll retry later this night to check how and when i pressed. Yann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Yann. With new Phone.apk answer is working for me, but I cant end call - power button give me dial keyboard, not previous menu. A.K. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--Soft-keyboard-tp1518369p1562692.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
On 21/11/2008, at 13:36, Yann Neveu wrote: The Phone.apk is on the phone end not on the usd? It is on the app dir on the SD. Am I wrong doing that? -- Denis Galvão AsteriskBrasil.org Ajude a comunidade AsteriskBrasil.org, compre uma camiseta! http://www.voipmania.com.br ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. So, give me a reason where you will need that. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:36:26 +0100, Yann Neveu [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:50 -0200, Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi Yann. Should I press the button twice? once? I sent the Phone.apk into the apps dir, but the answer didn't work for me. Is there any tricky around that? Should be juste one on the power button. Have you restarted the phone after the copy? The Phone.apk is on the phone end not on the usd? Anyway, i'll retry later this night to check how and when i pressed. I've tried it again and logged to check that my modification was ok. D/PHONE/InCallScreen( 634): handling key up event... W/PHONE/InCallScreen( 634): KEYCODE_MENU or KEYCODE_CALL So after the test, just one pressure on power key make the phone answer. Do you have some log about handling key up event... ? Yann Yann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
And I'm not sure that multi touch is really so important and the low res I do not know if it's important, but being restricted to events of the form mouse-1-down, mouse-1-up, and mouse-move is problematic in my experience. So if we can't have multi-touch sensitivity, we need some other source of input. It could be buttons on the sides (e.g. I could imagine a phone where you use one hand for the touchscreen while the other hand holds the phone and can squeeze it to generate a modifier kind of event). For usability, I think it's important that this other source of input be usable at the same time as the touchscreen is used to move the cursor (so you can get similar effects as the 2-finger scroll, for exemples, or the mouse-3 context menus) so it probably would have to be activated by the other hand. Stefan PS: I'm not even considering single-handed use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:49:06 -0200, Denis Galvão [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : It is on the app dir on the SD. Am I wrong doing that? Yes, it shoul overwrite the system one, you've to enable rw mount in init.rc. You can install another distro on usd, boot on it to modify init.rc, see some mails above in this thread. Yann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Me too, high-res is all good.. But high-res does NOT preclude the use of Actually, the high-res is one of the highlights of the FR for me. So, while I don't need 280dpi, I wouldn't settle for less than 200dpi for a gadget I hold so close to my eyes. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Le Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:48:01 -0800 (PST), akurpiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : With new Phone.apk answer is working for me, but I cant end call - power button give me dial keyboard, not previous menu. Yes, just added a hook for the answer, not for the end call :) Anyway, without suspending, android on FR is not really ready to be your phone for everyday right? :) I'll see if i can add an end call hook but will not try hard since i suppose there will be a more elegant way than mine ( by using virtual buttons probably)... But i'm glad to know that it works with yours too. Yann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 01:16:36PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: I do not know if it's important, but being restricted to events of the form mouse-1-down, mouse-1-up, and mouse-move is problematic in my experience. Apple has handled that quite nicely for a long time with one button mice. But I do agree a modifier button would be desireable (like the option key is -- or was a long time ago -- on the Macintosh). Rui -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
TwitterMoko
(sorry for my bad english) hi, i write here for announce the first release of TwitterMoko, a simple Twitter client for openmoko you can find here http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/twittermoko/ Hi I'm Carlo Minucci, you may remember me for application like gtkaddpoi or gpsdcontrol... :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Survey about the Touchscreen
Denis Galvao wrote: On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. So, give me a reason where you will need that. As long as we have at least a VGA resolution screen, it is relatively easy for us to port linux desktop applications to the Openmoko phones. Once we drop down to HVGA, or (heaven forbid!) QVGA, there will need to be extensive UI redesign to get most apps. from the desktop world to run on an OM phone, especially when a soft keyboard is needed. So reducing the resolution will greatly reduce the code base we can leverage. In addition, I don't think you can ever had too many pixels on a machine you intend to run a web browser on. Right now, when I show someone my Freerunner, the only thing that impresses them is the display. It would be a shame if OM dropped the one part of its hardware that is actually superior to what is found on other smartphones. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I realy like them
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/I-realy-like-them-tp1563210p1563210.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] First steps
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:10:00 +0100, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed FSO and I'm quite happy with it : it seems the most reponsive distribution I have yet used. I still have some questions : Addressbook : Is there a way to import a former qtopia sqlite file ? I read some discussions inconclusive about it, is there some advances ? Calendar : openmoko-calendar2 isn't available in repositories. What can I use ? I I don't have anything for you on these. GPS : do I need to click the map icon in zhone to powerup the antenna and use it with tangogps ? What are the three upper buttons supposed to do in the Zone gps application ? The first one displays latitude/longitude... (right now it displays N/A but I'm inside...) The second and third one open some window with obviously resolution and colors issues. You can just fire up Tango and frameworkd will activate the GPS for it. The other two tabs in zhone (from memory - I'm running SHR right now) are: an itemized list of satellites it's seeing, and a polar graph on which it plots satellites. (so at the start they're blank and a dartboard, respectively) Power Management settings: The settings from the wrench menu in illume don't seem to have any effect : the phone dims + blanks + locks after a minute or so even I set the blank time to off and doesn't suspend even though the suspend time after blank is 1s. I think frameworkd handles power management, not illume. Suspend : according to the wiki, you need to press the power button for 2 s to suspend the phone. It doesn't work for me, just powers it off after 7-8 s. Sound : What's the best way to adjust the sound level ? I guess there's still no GUI for that. I've tried playing with several .state files during my first tries with other distributions but things change fast on this topic : what is the control to adjust ? Several applications from the Home menu (terminal, Htop for instance) won't start. You can try changing /usr/share/applications/htop.desktop to exec openmoko-terminal2 htop, or install xterm and exec xterm -e htop. (I've done the latter) What else isn't starting? I'm running : fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Just a note - at different times, the file above may in fact be different images. Today, it's the image from November 14th, for instance, but if a new image were posted tomorrow it'd probably be a copy of tomorrow's image. So try to note the date (if you used wget to download it probably preserved the date) or pick out the newest of the 'long-named' images for download. (It could also be from unstable vis testing, named the same) The files below are both from October 5th, you might want the newest ones, from November 7th. (this might fix your suspend) j uImage-2.6.24+r8 +gitr968c41d0c32099d78927849a71e2ef3143cc05e7-r8-om-gta02.bin modules-2.6.24+r8 +gitr968c41d0c32099d78927849a71e2ef3143cc05e7-r8-om-gta02.tgz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I realy like them
lol :D drac2000 escribió: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote: [...] my experience is different. i didn't try iPhone myself, though. (i refuse to use anything from a company like apple,) but i know two people Well. I have used iPhone for a while. It is indeed quite nice. Easy to learn and fun to use. with iPhones and both would not buy one again. biggest problem for them is that it is a bad phone (bad audio quality) and they lose calls sometimes because it just does not ring. (never heard of any phone doing that! ;-) ) second problem is the low resolution. dunno about the touch, though. it just does not ring. Don't show Freerunner to your friends (yet)! ;-) I liked iPhone's UI. The first perceptible difference from Freerunner is that Apple's product works. Freerunner still lacks major functionality (like ringing and so). OTOH I believe that having finger controllable applications (iPhone style) on stylus capable touchscreen is a way to go. Freerunner is a small computer - sometimes I need precise pointer. Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
OK, let's compare the number of sold units... How many iPhone 2G and 3G have been sold? I figure it's quite a lot... Of course you have to consider what compromises you have to make. What have apple surrendered when they selected the capacitive screen instead of the resistive? What have they gained? ... That's the things that we have discussed... Does a capacitive display restrict the resolution? No. One thing I would like to have answered is, how good can you make multi-touch support with a resistive display? Best regards Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit. The type of the screen is not the only thing. Size and resolution matters too. And even more important. Price and availability. What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises are you ready to make? This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options poll. What goes is eventually a question that can only be answered by looking at sold units in retrospect. What you all want is unimportant, because you can not honestly say that it will bias your buying decision in a way you would admit now. I would like openmoko to do bold steps. But they should also be careful. Tilman Baumann wrote: Vikas Saurabh wrote: I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone might get excited with iPhone's UI. What we would have to remember: * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun of high reso is gone * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but is often manageable with fingers as well Agree. Either a really big capacitive screen with no boarders or a small hi res screen as currently (I like it) with either a stylus or a keypad. I would vote for the same screen as currently used or at least the same quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes pretty much failed) -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I realy like them
drac2000 wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p That's awesome. I pledge 10,000 imaginary internet lulz to the first person to come up with a *funny* joke where openmoko/the freerunner isn't the butt of the joke.. :) Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
+1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that truly blows people's minds away atm... 2008/11/21 Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Denis Galvao wrote: On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. So, give me a reason where you will need that. As long as we have at least a VGA resolution screen, it is relatively easy for us to port linux desktop applications to the Openmoko phones. Once we drop down to HVGA, or (heaven forbid!) QVGA, there will need to be extensive UI redesign to get most apps. from the desktop world to run on an OM phone, especially when a soft keyboard is needed. So reducing the resolution will greatly reduce the code base we can leverage. In addition, I don't think you can ever had too many pixels on a machine you intend to run a web browser on. Right now, when I show someone my Freerunner, the only thing that impresses them is the display. It would be a shame if OM dropped the one part of its hardware that is actually superior to what is found on other smartphones. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
You mean, the only thing that truly blows them away is the resolution of the screen... Which you can have with any type of modern LCD panel, can you not? /Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Thorben Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: +1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that truly blows people's minds away atm... 2008/11/21 Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Denis Galvao wrote: On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. So, give me a reason where you will need that. As long as we have at least a VGA resolution screen, it is relatively easy for us to port linux desktop applications to the Openmoko phones. Once we drop down to HVGA, or (heaven forbid!) QVGA, there will need to be extensive UI redesign to get most apps. from the desktop world to run on an OM phone, especially when a soft keyboard is needed. So reducing the resolution will greatly reduce the code base we can leverage. In addition, I don't think you can ever had too many pixels on a machine you intend to run a web browser on. Right now, when I show someone my Freerunner, the only thing that impresses them is the display. It would be a shame if OM dropped the one part of its hardware that is actually superior to what is found on other smartphones. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I realy like them
Those are awesome! I'm glad OM users have healthy sense of humor :) Leonti On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: drac2000 wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p That's awesome. I pledge 10,000 imaginary internet lulz to the first person to come up with a *funny* joke where openmoko/the freerunner isn't the butt of the joke.. :) Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
sorry for being imprecise. I was referring to the amazing resolution considering the size of the display. The freerunner got 300 dpi IIRC. For comparison, the iphone only seems to have 160. I usually demo the crispness (if you will) of my neo's screen using top on the terminal at the smallest readable fontsize to great effect :) 2008/11/21 Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You mean, the only thing that truly blows them away is the resolution of the screen... Which you can have with any type of modern LCD panel, can you not? /Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Thorben Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that truly blows people's minds away atm... 2008/11/21 Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Denis Galvao wrote: On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. So, give me a reason where you will need that. As long as we have at least a VGA resolution screen, it is relatively easy for us to port linux desktop applications to the Openmoko phones. Once we drop down to HVGA, or (heaven forbid!) QVGA, there will need to be extensive UI redesign to get most apps. from the desktop world to run on an OM phone, especially when a soft keyboard is needed. So reducing the resolution will greatly reduce the code base we can leverage. In addition, I don't think you can ever had too many pixels on a machine you intend to run a web browser on. Right now, when I show someone my Freerunner, the only thing that impresses them is the display. It would be a shame if OM dropped the one part of its hardware that is actually superior to what is found on other smartphones. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will there be a hardware revision for the buzzing issue?
That would be great, especially for guys in the community who want to start a repair business. Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mo 17. November 2008 schrieb robert lazarski: Hi all, I'm about to buy an openmoko, as I finally have some time and cash. However, my understanding is that the latest phones for sale have a buzzing issue and its confirmed to be hardware related. Will there be a hardware revision? Or I'm a stuck using a soldering iron and new parts to fix it? Please correct me if I'm misinformed. We are actually in the process to figure out how to fix *all* devices sold, by implementing the so-called big-C fix (which means add a 100uF, replace one R), which can be done by those experienced in soldering. Not yet clear where this will end, but we're on it. Very next thing is we will publish a rework SOP paper. Also see other answer in this thread. cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Big resolution means better image quality. We can run qvga apps on our vga screen, don't we? But how can we run vga apps on qvga screen? VGA screen is a step forward, QVGA is a step backward. For me it's clear. Leonti On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Thorben Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry for being imprecise. I was referring to the amazing resolution considering the size of the display. The freerunner got 300 dpi IIRC. For comparison, the iphone only seems to have 160. I usually demo the crispness (if you will) of my neo's screen using top on the terminal at the smallest readable fontsize to great effect :) 2008/11/21 Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You mean, the only thing that truly blows them away is the resolution of the screen... Which you can have with any type of modern LCD panel, can you not? /Anton On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Thorben Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that truly blows people's minds away atm... 2008/11/21 Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Denis Galvao wrote: On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote: Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget I could not possibly disagree more strongly. So, give me a reason where you will need that. As long as we have at least a VGA resolution screen, it is relatively easy for us to port linux desktop applications to the Openmoko phones. Once we drop down to HVGA, or (heaven forbid!) QVGA, there will need to be extensive UI redesign to get most apps. from the desktop world to run on an OM phone, especially when a soft keyboard is needed. So reducing the resolution will greatly reduce the code base we can leverage. In addition, I don't think you can ever had too many pixels on a machine you intend to run a web browser on. Right now, when I show someone my Freerunner, the only thing that impresses them is the display. It would be a shame if OM dropped the one part of its hardware that is actually superior to what is found on other smartphones. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Why do we need capacitive display? We still are not going to solve hanging up during the call - because capacitive screen does it too - the only way to avoid that is by doing it in software. Someone said - it will be a good motivation to make programs more finger-friendly. What I like about Freerunner is that I can find some program, compile it and use it straight on Freerunner. With the capacitive screen we can forget about most gtk, fltk apps, just because they need stylus to be used. Do we really want to have a system that is based on linux, but looks like every other phone platform? Now imagine we have calc sheet application on the phone. Whis the resolution of FR we can see really a lot, and what is important we can manipulate cells in it. Can you do it with your finger? (with the capacitive touchscreen you can't even use your fingernail). What I mean is that the ability to use other objects to manipulate the screen is an advantage, not a disadvantage. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Optimization team update (11/16 ~ 11/22)
Dear community, Not much to say this week. Most of the work we did could be seen by querying docs.openmoko.org with keyword 'Om2008.11' and the commit logs. Overall, Olv pushed his boot time enhancements (#69), so it will be in testing repo. Tick enhanced etk scroll list (#2031) and is working on a volume issue (#1489). Jeremy fixed another suspend ticket (#2113). Erin worked on a qtopia camping problem. She will take a look at bluetooth status starting from next week. Julian helped out our designer, Will, to work on the edge files. Upgrade path is getting better but there are still some issues (#2127). We are having an internal debate regarding the release now, so there is not much I can say about this at the moment. Regards, John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 13:16 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: So if we can't have multi-touch sensitivity, we need some other source of input. It could be buttons on the sides (e.g. I could imagine a phone where you use one hand for the touchscreen while the other hand holds the phone and can squeeze it to generate a modifier kind of event). For usability, I think it's important that this other source of input be usable at the same time as the touchscreen is used to move the cursor (so you can get similar effects as the 2-finger scroll, for exemples, or the mouse-3 context menus) so it probably would have to be activated by the other hand. I agree, a scroll wheel and an extra button on the side of the Freerunner, something like the old Sony Clie PDAs would be great, or maybe a tiny trackball/scrollball like the one on the Apple mouse would be useful. I would love the capacitive multitouch screen but not at the expense of input resolution. Simon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
2008/11/21 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Graeme seems to be planning to do his xorg version of Xglamo partially in kernelspace to unify the locking, that would be when to do this too. The Glamo's interrupt itself is supported and working, it's the basis for the same waiting strategy (yielding until completion interrupt) in the Glamo MMC stuff. - -Andy This is great! Thanks! Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there any kind of network manager?
Alastair Johnson wrote: Or you could follow Joel Newkirk's simple lightweight configuration described at http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking About this... Have you tried it? Does it fix the most common network issues? Thanks... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Hi, I think this is the best argument for the need of a precision stylus yet. However, as I see it, if you make this argument it means that you want a phone that works just like your desktop computer, but which you can carry along easily.. Maybe an EeePC is better suited? The current OpenMoko compromise is not suitable for running a spreadsheet application or a word processor. If you want those applications then you need to have some sort of keyboard. When the Ilume keyboard is active you only have perhaps 60% left of the screen. That means your application only have _half_ a VGA display. This practically eliminates the pro that people here have been bringing up, the full VGA display. Then add the fact that using the Ilume keyboard with a spreadsheet is, well, daunting. I can't imagine the pain I would feel if I had to go through that ordeal. So yes, the current situation makes it easy to _run_ ye old' X applications we all love on the desktop... But _using_ them in this setup.. I don't think so. If you think I'm wrong, could you please tell me in which situations you really could use application X or Y on your OpenMoko? And I mean in a situation where you would not have easy access to your EeePC in your back-pack. On the other hand, if you add a multi touch capable LCD panel, then you would enable software developers like myself to develop a whole range of new applications that are _not_ possible on a desktop or on the current OpenMoko... Applications that you will never see on the current OpenMoko. (I'm still not ruling out the possibility of a multi touch enabled resistive screen, but I never heard of such a thing...) Best regards Anton Persson On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do we need capacitive display? We still are not going to solve hanging up during the call - because capacitive screen does it too - the only way to avoid that is by doing it in software. Someone said - it will be a good motivation to make programs more finger-friendly. What I like about Freerunner is that I can find some program, compile it and use it straight on Freerunner. With the capacitive screen we can forget about most gtk, fltk apps, just because they need stylus to be used. Do we really want to have a system that is based on linux, but looks like every other phone platform? Now imagine we have calc sheet application on the phone. Whis the resolution of FR we can see really a lot, and what is important we can manipulate cells in it. Can you do it with your finger? (with the capacitive touchscreen you can't even use your fingernail). What I mean is that the ability to use other objects to manipulate the screen is an advantage, not a disadvantage. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
