Re: [FSO] First steps
Le mercredi 19 novembre 2008 à 15:57 -0500, Joel Newkirk a écrit : Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. Calendar : openmoko-calendar2 isn't available in repositories. What can I use ? I I don't have anything for you on these. It can wait. Just out of curiosity, is there some work being done on this front ? GPS : You can just fire up Tango and frameworkd will activate the GPS for it. The other two tabs in zhone (from memory - I'm running SHR right now) are: an itemized list of satellites it's seeing, and a polar graph on which it plots satellites. (so at the start they're blank and a dartboard, respectively) I took the time to test it and I could indeed get a fix from tangoGPS. Didn't get back to the Zhone gps display to check it. I will soon. Power Management settings: I think frameworkd handles power management, not illume. I finally figured it out. Several applications from the Home menu (terminal, Htop for instance) won't start. You can try changing /usr/share/applications/htop.desktop to exec openmoko-terminal2 htop, or install xterm and exec xterm -e htop. (I've done the latter) What else isn't starting? openmoko-agpsui, Terminal, numptyphysics. I'll check through ssh what is the reason. Julien. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On 21 Nov 2008, at 16:41, Tilman Baumann wrote: I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit. +1 I when I finished reading this list yesterday it had only 3 replies, and thought about replying. Unless your email address ends in @openmoko.com, please keep surveys and votes off this list! They seem to generate a very high number of posts lacking in thoughtfulness - as opposed to, say, those a thread titled capacitive screens vs touchscreens might - and it is naive to consider what kind of hardware an individual user would prefer in isolation of all the other compromises that would be required to accommodate the decision. And even more important. Price and availability. What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises are you ready to make? This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options poll. ... I would like openmoko to do bold steps. But they should also be careful. Introduction of a multi-touch screen would only fragment the userbase. 10,000 Freerunner owners would be bitching that they can't run $new.app because it requires the new screen type; owners of the new device would be bitching that existing apps don't use the cool new interface. Hardware decisions are best made by those who actually have an insight into ALL the variables of the planned hardware. The whims of you I are simply irrelevant if Openmoko / FIC are unable to purchase multi- touch screens. In case you're not aware, hardware decisions have already been constrained by an unavailability of parts in such small quantities as those used in Openmoko devices - you might have to buy 100,000 or 1,000,000 units before the vendor will talk to you. Besides that, GTA03 is no longer subject to change - isn't it stupid to be making plans (especially when you're not in a position to do so) for GTA04 or 05, when the hardware available by that time might be quite different from what is on the market now? Thanks for cluttering up my inbox with this irrelevancy. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would like openmoko to do bold steps. But they should also be careful. Introduction of a multi-touch screen would only fragment the userbase. 10,000 Freerunner owners would be bitching that they can't run $new.app because it requires the new screen type; owners of the new device would be bitching that existing apps don't use the cool new interface. Well, that might be true.. But the case might also be that the userbase will shrink if nothing is done. That depends on what people want from their hardware. The lack of a new type of user interface which some of us believe is far superior on a hand held device will at least make me think twice before buying a new OpenMoko.. I bought the GTA02 since I found what OpenMoko was doing a great thing and I wanted to support that good effort.. But if the hardware is always a couple or more generations behind the leading pack then it's not much use, then I'm just trying to help a hopeless cause. The phone is a hardware disabled toy. I certainly don't speak for everyone, since there are plenty of voices for the current solution as seen in this thread, but I think the user base will shrink steadily while the use of multi touch gets more and more users on the big platforms. It's the future as I see it, and either we place us in the future, or we place us in the past... With a platform as the OpenMoko we have that choice. Hardware decisions are best made by those who actually have an insight into ALL the variables of the planned hardware. The whims of you I are simply irrelevant if Openmoko / FIC are unable to purchase multi- touch screens. In case you're not aware, hardware decisions have already been constrained by an unavailability of parts in such small quantities as those used in Openmoko devices - you might have to buy 100,000 or 1,000,000 units before the vendor will talk to you. Yes, that's makes it a catch 22, because if you don't put together a hardware solution that is good enough, then the amount of people buying it will be small... And if you can't sell enough then you can't buy the good parts.. If that makes you aim low, then why bother at all? Besides that, GTA03 is no longer subject to change - isn't it stupid to be making plans (especially when you're not in a position to do so) for GTA04 or 05, when the hardware available by that time might be quite different from what is on the market now? I know that the GTA03 is probably all decided hardware wise... But I think this might be a good discussion anyway. And the market is big, apple has shown that... And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make poor hardware decisions, but the opposite. There's still a future out there tomorrow and if we want to we can be part of it too. Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make poor hardware decisions, but the opposite. Converesely, one could argue that apple has very mediocre hardware and its strength is both UI and things just work. Not that use apple for anything. More clutter ;-( . - R ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Saturday 22 November 2008, Anton Persson wrote: Hi, I think this is the best argument for the need of a precision stylus yet. However, as I see it, if you make this argument it means that you want a phone that works just like your desktop computer, but which you can carry along easily.. Maybe an EeePC is better suited? I have an Aspire One, but it's too big to carry all the time. I'm looking for something to replace my old and dying Psion 5. I had high hopes when EPOC32 became Symbian that a suitable smartphone would appear, but one of the first things they did was to remove the office type apps. The current OpenMoko compromise is not suitable for running a spreadsheet application or a word processor. For you maybe, but Abiword and Gnumeric are working fine for me. If you want those applications then you need to have some sort of keyboard. When the Ilume keyboard is active you only have perhaps 60% left of the screen. That means your application only have _half_ a VGA display. This practically eliminates the pro that people here have been bringing up, the full VGA display. The Psion's only half-VGA and it works fine there. The Psion does make better use of the screen space, but that's an application issue. Then add the fact that using the Ilume keyboard with a spreadsheet is, well, daunting. I can't imagine the pain I would feel if I had to go through that ordeal. For you maybe, but it's fine for me in light use. If I need to do anything heavier there's always the Bluetooth keyboard. So yes, the current situation makes it easy to _run_ ye old' X applications we all love on the desktop... But _using_ them in this setup.. I don't think so. If you think I'm wrong, could you please tell me in which situations you really could use application X or Y on your OpenMoko? And I mean in a situation where you would not have easy access to your EeePC in your back-pack. Exactly the same situations where I use them on the Psion, probably more because I would carry it in situations where even the Psion is too big. When I first got the Psion I found myself using it in many more situations than I had expected, simply because it was there and it worked. On the other hand, if you add a multi touch capable LCD panel, then you would enable software developers like myself to develop a whole range of new applications that are _not_ possible on a desktop or on the current OpenMoko... Applications that you will never see on the current OpenMoko. (I'm still not ruling out the possibility of a multi touch enabled resistive screen, but I never heard of such a thing...) I've never seen a commercial one, but I don't think it presents too many technical hurdles. unfortunately Openmoko aren't big enough to push a manufacturer to make such a thing, unlike Apple. Best regards Anton Persson On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do we need capacitive display? We still are not going to solve hanging up during the call - because capacitive screen does it too - the only way to avoid that is by doing it in software. Someone said - it will be a good motivation to make programs more finger-friendly. What I like about Freerunner is that I can find some program, compile it and use it straight on Freerunner. With the capacitive screen we can forget about most gtk, fltk apps, just because they need stylus to be used. Do we really want to have a system that is based on linux, but looks like every other phone platform? Now imagine we have calc sheet application on the phone. Whis the resolution of FR we can see really a lot, and what is important we can manipulate cells in it. Can you do it with your finger? (with the capacitive touchscreen you can't even use your fingernail). What I mean is that the ability to use other objects to manipulate the screen is an advantage, not a disadvantage. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
The current OpenMoko compromise is not suitable for running a spreadsheet application or a word processor. For you maybe, but Abiword and Gnumeric are working fine for me. True, that's my own opinion. I think the display is too small and the input method is too hard. But I must confess; I generally don't use anything other than Emacs and Eclipse for anything close to word processing and one of the things with emacs is that you really need a keyboard with it.. :-P If you want those applications then you need to have some sort of keyboard. When the Ilume keyboard is active you only have perhaps 60% left of the screen. That means your application only have _half_ a VGA display. This practically eliminates the pro that people here have been bringing up, the full VGA display. The Psion's only half-VGA and it works fine there. The Psion does make better use of the screen space, but that's an application issue. Which means that you would still be happy if you had a slightly bigger display and a slightly thicker stylus, right? Maybe even happier if you could use both your thumbs to push buttons on the on-screen keyboard. (For shift/alt keys etc. But of course, that could be solved by adding a couple of more real buttons..) If you think I'm wrong, could you please tell me in which situations you really could use application X or Y on your OpenMoko? And I mean in a situation where you would not have easy access to your EeePC in your back-pack. Exactly the same situations where I use them on the Psion, probably more because I would carry it in situations where even the Psion is too big. When I first got the Psion I found myself using it in many more situations than I had expected, simply because it was there and it worked. OK, that's a convincing example to me. But I'm not convinced that a capacitive screen+stylus would prevent you from doing the same things. The iPhone has a bigger display but is in total smaller than the OpenMoko, and correct me (again) if I'm wrong, but aren't there some sort of word-processor for the iPhone too? On the other hand, if you add a multi touch capable LCD panel, then you would enable software developers like myself to develop a whole range of new applications that are _not_ possible on a desktop or on the current OpenMoko... Applications that you will never see on the current OpenMoko. (I'm still not ruling out the possibility of a multi touch enabled resistive screen, but I never heard of such a thing...) I've never seen a commercial one, but I don't think it presents too many technical hurdles. unfortunately Openmoko aren't big enough to push a manufacturer to make such a thing, unlike Apple. True, which means we will probably never see a resistive multi touch enabled screen on an OpenMoko... Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Cédric Berger wrote: But you can also just copy the .apk file directly on the SD card second partition, under /app (by exemple via ssh if you booted another distro, just copy under /media/mmcblk0p2/app/ ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Can you please explain little bit more. That this mean you can have android flashed and another distro installed on sd card. I would like to have such setup android / qtopia on SD. Can you please explain little bit more in details? Thx:handshake: -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--Soft-keyboard-tp1518369p1565646.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 17:41 +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote: I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit. The type of the screen is not the only thing. Size and resolution matters too. And even more important. Price and availability. What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises are you ready to make? This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options poll. What goes is eventually a question that can only be answered by looking at sold units in retrospect. What you all want is unimportant, because you can not honestly say that it will bias your buying decision in a way you would admit now. I would like openmoko to do bold steps. But they should also be careful. Tilman Baumann wrote: Vikas Saurabh wrote: I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone might get excited with iPhone's UI. What we would have to remember: * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun of high reso is gone * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but is often manageable with fingers as well Agree. Either a really big capacitive screen with no boarders or a small hi res screen as currently (I like it) with either a stylus or a keypad. I would vote for the same screen as currently used or at least the same quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes pretty much failed) I admit I voted for capacitive screen without consider all the aspect. My primary reason was more protected screen and force finger friendly (which more or less not exist now, more a software issue). I have a pda I use mostly for car navigation the bigger screen is nice there. I also use it for connect to internet, use it as voip phone, when possible, using wifi. It does not have build in gps what was main reason why I bought my neo (and better portability). I like the size on neo maybe a little slimmer and I dont want it to be bigger because then it would be more trouble some to bring with me all over. My pda is to big I can just squeeze it into my jacket inside pocket but I have often accidentally activated it often with drain battery. My pda have the normal 5 navigation buttons + 4 application buttons below screen. I never use the navigation buttons only the 4 application button mostly because I can program them to whatever to activate things even other programs use the full screen and no hide function. I like the size and resolution of current neo and the fact that it can be used for stylus in case programs not finger friendly even it be rare. Maybe the edge could be smaller so a finger easily can press all the way to the edge. I can see the benefit for a few buttons to assist a GUI that need a bigger screen area. If I just needed a small linux computer to run desktop like applications then I wanted a full keyboard but then whole benefit of small size and very easy portability is gone then. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Minty Boost FreeRunner
Am Fr 21. November 2008 schrieb Tobias Diedrich: Cédric Berger wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:24, DJDAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cédric Berger ha scritto: I did not have a look at neo's circuitry. But whatever the method it uses, it cannot force 1A if 1A is not available (wall charger unplugged from the wall won't give 1A :-p ) ? Uhm...not exactly true... Ohm Law says: V = R * I - I = V/R, and if R-0 then I-oo In practice if you power a load with a little impedance (in real systems the load is not always only resistive) the current requested will grow and the source could be damaged (try to short circuit a normal battery, you'll see a flash and if you maintain the circuit closed you'll meld the battery). This is why you should not ask 1000mA from the USB port (for example) unless you're sure the hardware could give it. Bye :) Yes but I also have some car adapters that did not mind being shorted (12v to 5v adapter, given for 350mA). So I doubt a device wanting 1A would be worst than a short circuit... but what would be the output in such a case I do not know. According to the MAX756 datasheet (the step-up converter used in the minty boost AFAICS), the switching mosfet should be protected due to the operating principle: The coil is shorted to ground until the current reaches about 1A, then switched off automatically (and then the coil discharges in series to the battery, effectively boosting the voltages). So the only things relevant to a overload situation are the coil rating and the diode rating. If both are capable of handling 1A continously, then switching the Freerunner to 1A can't break anything. The 1N5818 can handle 1A and the coil used has a saturation current of 1.5A. (However, it is _not_ short-circuit-proof, since in that case the current would flow directly from the battery over coil and diode to ground and will likely destroy the diode first) Switching noise is nothing to worry about (Switching frequency depends on load and battery voltage). Of course thermal dissipation can still be an issue. you should use a polyfuse, to make device resistant against short on output /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: testing Jalimo on Openmoko
exit code 1 was returned... i' too lazy to look in to the source right now, so please tell me when exit code 1 is returned... then, i'd like to take a look at it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
freesmartphone.org down? DNS?
Am I the only experiencing DNS issues? Tested from two completely different locations. Pablo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
On Saturday 22 November 2008, drac2000 wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: But you can also just copy the .apk file directly on the SD card second partition, under /app (by exemple via ssh if you booted another distro, just copy under /media/mmcblk0p2/app/ ) Can you please explain little bit more. That this mean you can have android flashed and another distro installed on sd card. I would like to have such setup android / qtopia on SD. Can you please explain little bit more in details? Partition your SD so you have: Partition 1: VFAT (for Android) Partition 2: ext3 (for Android) Partition 3: ext3 probably - for qtopia Extract the qtopia rootfs tarball to partition 3, and make a uBoot menu entry to boot from partition 3 as described in the wiki. You could add extra partitions for other distros too. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
armband
Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while exercising? Comparing dimensions to other devices, it seems closest to an 80GB Zune. So, I'm thinking that might work. I realize I'll probably have to cut at least one hole in it for the headphone jack. Does anyone have a Zune armband they could try sticking their Freerunner in? Any other ideas? Thanks, Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I/O problems with SD card
Hello!
This is my first time of booting from MicroSD card since before
this time I flashed several distributions onto internal flash. I
downloaded FSO milestone 4.1 and put that on Transcend 2Gb flash: made
two partitions, kernel 2Mb vfat and remaining for rootfs ext2,
formatted it accordingly (mkfs vfat and ext2) and copied file on them,
that means, followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
instructions. Nevertheless booting from SD failed, I chose a
corresponding menu item from NOR loader (load from SD fat+ext2) and
started to receive multiple error messages:
# right after load start
s3c2410_udc: debugfs dir creation failed -19
# next lines mixed with each other
mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
EXT2-fs error (device mmcblk0p2) ex2_get_inode: unable to read inode
block - inode=12345 block=67890
Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0p2, logical block 0
# and partial success messages among them
Plus multiple Input/Output errors while reading /etc/rc.d/* files
and writing to /etc/volatile or something.
This is how Freerunner sees my card:
Card type: SD 2.0
Manufacturer: 0x1b, OEM SM
Product name: 0, revision 1.0
Serial number: 1234567890
Manufacturing date: 7/2008
MMC/SD size: 511 MiB
Thinking a card may be broken, I did check all files on it like that:
find /mnt -depth -type f -exec md5sum \{\} \;
And several files resulted in Input/Output errors. Aha! Then I
initialized my card with
dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mmcblk0p2 bs=32768 count=62150
Then issued mkfs again and untarred rootfs second time. Checked
again -- none of the files reported an error. Still Neo can't read
many files on a card, especially in /etc/ . All SD card preparation
operations were made on a notebook with built-in card reader.
Does anybody experienced any troubles with MicroSD cards like the
abovementioned ones?
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[2008.x] 'opkg upgrade' interrupted.
Hey all. I'm was just installing a stable 2008.9 image. The only changes made is that a terminal is installed and the /etc/opkg/* is changed to pointing to the testing repository instead. Then, from the local terminal, I run opkg update and then opkg upgrade. The upgrade is working for some good 20-30 minutes downloading and installing new packages until X is shut down. Apparently opkg wanted to restart X or something? Then I figure I'll do it over ssh instead, so I log in and run 'opkg upgrade' again. To my surprise I see that it starts all over again, downloading and installing (?) the same packages over again. Didn't the previous upgrade just do that? Are the downloaded and installed files stored in a temporary directory in the meantime? I checked the used disk-space and found it to be only 81-82 MB. Didn't check how much was used before the first run though. Or does the opkg wait with updating its database of installed packages until the complete upgrade has finished? Which means I by now actually have the latest and greatest, just opkg doesn't know it is? Anyway, the upgrade via ssh failed miserably as well. Of course dropbear had to be restarted, I lost connection and opkg was interrupted (again). Next try is screen, which is currently running, downloading and installing the exact same packages done by the previous two upgrades. Is there some way to make opkg continue where interrupted or some way of specifying I don't want a certain service restarted (like dropbear) ? -Ivar Mossin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.x] 'opkg upgrade' interrupted.
One possible way round this is to run your upgrade within a screen session. The upgrade will continue even if you get disconnected from the session, in which case you can reconnect later. That's what I did just now. Although I was a bit scared when I saw this: Configuring dropbear System startup links for /etc/init.d/dropbear already exist. Restarting Dropbear SSH server: Connection to 192.168.0.202 closed by remote host. Connection to 192.168.0.202 closed. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# screen -ls No Sockets found in /tmp/screens/S-root. ... I don't know why, but somehow I did actually try 'screen -R' anyway, even though I saw the list was empty. And it did actually work. :) I wouldn't call this a solution though, just a work-around. -Ivar Mossin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freesmartphone.org down? DNS?
freesmartphone.org DNS is down, echo 134.169.172.109 {,trac.,git.}
freesmartphone.org /etc/hosts
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 00:18, Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I keep getting no IP, could you please send me that data so I can cheat
using /etc/hosts?
Thanks!
Pablo
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:47:28 +0100
Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am I the only experiencing DNS issues? Tested from two
completely
different locations.
Pablo
I experienced the same problem yesterday, today all was fine.
Franky
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Re: freesmartphone.org down? DNS?
Hello. On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 00:18, Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz wrote: I keep getting no IP, could you please send me that data so I can cheat using /etc/hosts? It's working again here after some troubles yesterday. If you still have problems: www.freesmartphone.org has address 134.169.172.109 It the same for git, trac... regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
rocks! compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant (desktops on diet) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--state-of-enlightment-and-illume-packaging-tp1442698p1567005.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Creating a distro on a sim card
On Nov 22, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Christian Adams wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi are you sure 192.168.1.202 is really the ip of your freerunner? from reading the pingtimes i would think you ping your local interface not your freerunner which would have ping-times around 1 to 5 ms or so .. ciao, christian (morlac) adams If I unplug the phone, then it says no route to host, so I am pretty sure it is the phone, and I know what the /etc/network/interface states Am 22.11.2008 um 23:40 schrieb Rodney Myers: ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] The authenticity of host '192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 75:c6:91:b7:60:a9:16:b1:19:ed: 5a:c7:2f:d3:39:c4. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.202' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Permission denied, please try again. [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Permission denied, please try again. [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Permission denied (publickey,password). what happens when you enter your root-pw here? ;) I'm sitting back at the command prompt, and does nothing. and I get brought back to the shell ping 192.168.1.202 PING 192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.061 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.042 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.044 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.046 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.047 ms --- 192.168.1.202 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3997ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.042/0.048/0.061/0.006 ms\ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Creating a distro on a sim card
Have a look at /etc/defaults/dropbear - does it lock ssh to usb0 only? BillK On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 19:03 -0800, Rodney Myers wrote: On Nov 22, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Christian Adams wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi are you sure 192.168.1.202 is really the ip of your freerunner? from reading the pingtimes i would think you ping your local interface not your freerunner which would have ping-times around 1 to 5 ms or so .. ciao, christian (morlac) adams If I unplug the phone, then it says no route to host, so I am pretty sure it is the phone, and I know what the /etc/network/interface states Am 22.11.2008 um 23:40 schrieb Rodney Myers: ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] The authenticity of host '192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 75:c6:91:b7:60:a9:16:b1:19:ed: 5a:c7:2f:d3:39:c4. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.202' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Permission denied, please try again. [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Permission denied, please try again. [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Permission denied (publickey,password). what happens when you enter your root-pw here? ;) I'm sitting back at the command prompt, and does nothing. and I get brought back to the shell ping 192.168.1.202 PING 192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.061 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.042 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.044 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.046 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.047 ms --- 192.168.1.202 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3997ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.042/0.048/0.061/0.006 ms\ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] First steps
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:44:49 +, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 November 2008, julien cubizolles wrote: Le mercredi 19 novembre 2008 à 15:57 -0500, Joel Newkirk a écrit : Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. Calendar : openmoko-calendar2 isn't available in repositories. What can I use ? I I don't have anything for you on these. It can wait. Just out of curiosity, is there some work being done on this front ? A PIM interface is on the roadmap for FSO, but I don't know if work has started yet. It is likely to use an existing PIM dbus API, possibly with extensions if required. Evolution Data Server and Akonadi spring to mind as contenders. Telepathy may have a place too, though its VoIP capabilities overlap somewhat with the call control interface we already have. I think Telepathy is a must-have, personally. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: armband
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:49:49 -0500, Josh Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while exercising? Comparing dimensions to other devices, it seems closest to an 80GB Zune. So, I'm thinking that might work. I realize I'll probably have to cut at least one hole in it for the headphone jack. Does anyone have a Zune armband they could try sticking their Freerunner in? Any other ideas? Thanks, Josh Exercising? Huh? :) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] 'opkg upgrade' interrupted.
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:46:38 +0100, Ivar Mossin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all. I'm was just installing a stable 2008.9 image. The only changes made is that a terminal is installed and the /etc/opkg/* is changed to pointing to the testing repository instead. Then, from the local terminal, I run opkg update and then opkg upgrade. The upgrade is working for some good 20-30 minutes downloading and installing new packages until X is shut down. Apparently opkg wanted to restart X or something? Then I figure I'll do it over ssh instead, so I log in and run 'opkg upgrade' again. To my surprise I see that it starts all over again, downloading and installing (?) the same packages over again. Didn't the previous upgrade just do that? Are the downloaded and installed files stored in a temporary directory in the meantime? I checked the used disk-space and found it to be only 81-82 MB. Didn't check how much was used before the first run though. Or does the opkg wait with updating its database of installed packages until the complete upgrade has finished? Which means I by now actually have the latest and greatest, just opkg doesn't know it is? Anyway, the upgrade via ssh failed miserably as well. Of course dropbear had to be restarted, I lost connection and opkg was interrupted (again). Next try is screen, which is currently running, downloading and installing the exact same packages done by the previous two upgrades. Is there some way to make opkg continue where interrupted or some way of specifying I don't want a certain service restarted (like dropbear) ? -Ivar Mossin The short solution - 'opkg update' and 'opkg install dropbear' from terminal, then 'opkg upgrade' via ssh. opkg is imperfect... j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: armband
On Saturday 22 November 2008 22:49:49 Josh Thompson wrote: Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while exercising? Comparing dimensions to other devices, it seems closest to an 80GB Zune. So, I'm thinking that might work. I realize I'll probably have to cut at least one hole in it for the headphone jack. Does anyone have a Zune armband they could try sticking their Freerunner in? Any other ideas? could this work? http://www.vat19.com/dvds/freehand-pocket-for-hand.cfm i have the strangest things bookmarked ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
