Re: freesmartphone.org down? DNS?
Thanks! though downloads.freesmartphone.org redirects to www.f...org and
a beautiful 404 appears :-(
I'll keep trying these days, sigh.
Pablo
El dom, 23-11-2008 a las 00:43 +0100, Richy escribió:
echo 134.169.172.109 {,trac.,git.}freesmartphone.org /etc/hosts
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[Debian] apt-get upgrade made the FR die...
I must admit I had just started the upgrade command and went off to do different things... What I recall seeing at the end was the mention of a problem making a backup link to uImage.bin after which the upgrade exited with code 1. The SSH session was still fine, the GUI on the FR itself had died, however. After pulling the battery, things started up again, but they leave me with a dark screen (after a small flash of seeing X starting). Would someone know a nice way to get the FR running again? Thanks! Paul -- Be a friend to thyself, and others will be so too. -Thomas Fuller http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.10 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[any] charging FreeRunner from Minty Boost
Hello, Today I've done some tests charging my FR from the Minty Boost: - the two AA batteries are: 2700mAh NiMH 1.2V from Varta, they have been fully charged and directly pulled out of the Varta charger; - I've been waiting until battery.py showed the FR with 10% of left capacity; - plugged in the Minty Boost and switched it to 500mA mode; this is the position X in time in the small table below; - I watched every 30 minutes the charging process; the FR was signed in into cellphone network, display mainly switched off and only 'battery.py' was running; this gives X + 00min -- 10% (time to full 4.5h) X + 30min -- 24% X + 60min -- 39% X + 90min -- 53% X + 120min -- 62% then in stopped charging, maybe because the AA batteries have been to low; have no item to measure them :-( Any comments; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ Q: What is the difference between an iPhone and an Openmoko Freerunner? A: One works but takes away your freedom, the other is free but needs your work. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] apt-get upgrade made the FR die...
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 23.11.2008, 11:38 +0100 schrieb Paul: I must admit I had just started the upgrade command and went off to do different things... What I recall seeing at the end was the mention of a problem making a backup link to uImage.bin after which the upgrade exited with code 1. do you have FAT as your /boot partition? It turned out that that is a bad idea when managing the kernel with dpkg. You can either * Reformat it as ext2, adjust /etc/fstab, adjust uBoot env and re-install kernel package * Remove the kernel package and manually download and install your kernels. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen afaik, you can not. a capacitive screen requires fingers and does not work with styli. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freesmartphone.org down? DNS?
Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz wrote: Thanks! though downloads.freesmartphone.org redirects to www.f...org and a beautiful 404 appears :-( downloads.freesmartphone.org is on a different server (140.211.169.169). -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] apt-get upgrade made the FR die...
Michele Renda wrote: It happent to me too, some months ago. It is possible to solve the problem in different ways, you can try to boot with a non debian image, download the install.sh script, and do only the stages: mount, kernel (in this way it reinstall only the kernel) I don't know if it can solve your problem, but can be a good points to start. Great, thank you for the tip. I'll have a try today. :-) Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Debian][OM2008][FSO] Found an easy solution for universal right- and middle-click
Hello, everybody! I think i found a universal (not only GTK) and easy (without special tslib drivers) solution that should work on any X-server. I just added to my fbpanel two icons to launch xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3' and xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 3 1' to switch ts to left-click and to middle-click respectively. Right-click can be added as well. But i can't figure what's the best place on the wiki to share this information. Can you suggest the appropriate place? The solution was inspired by the oesf.org forum. Good luck and happy hacking! -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [any] charging FreeRunner from Minty Boost
Am So 23. November 2008 schrieb Matthias Apitz: Hello, Today I've done some tests charging my FR from the Minty Boost: - the two AA batteries are: 2700mAh NiMH 1.2V from Varta, they have been fully charged and directly pulled out of the Varta charger; - I've been waiting until battery.py showed the FR with 10% of left capacity; - plugged in the Minty Boost and switched it to 500mA mode; this is the position X in time in the small table below; - I watched every 30 minutes the charging process; the FR was signed in into cellphone network, display mainly switched off and only 'battery.py' was running; this gives X + 00min -- 10% (time to full 4.5h) X + 30min -- 24% X + 60min -- 39% X + 90min -- 53% X + 120min -- 62% then in stopped charging, maybe because the AA batteries have been to low; have no item to measure them :-( Any comments; matthias 500mA * 120min = 1000mAh * 5V (USB) = 5Wh 1.2V * 2 * 2700mAh =6.48Wh considering efficiency of voltage converter all this looks about right cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian][OM2008][FSO] Found an easy solution for universal right- and middle-click
2008/11/23 Paul Fertser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, everybody! I think i found a universal (not only GTK) and easy (without special tslib drivers) solution that should work on any X-server. I just added to my fbpanel two icons to launch xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3' and xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 3 1' to switch ts to left-click and to middle-click respectively. Right-click can be added as well. This sounds great. Is it possible to make the changes automatically one-time-only - i.e. so that they automatically revert to left-click after one right- or middle- click? I think that would best match what one needs in practice; e.g. right-click to bring up a context menu, then left-click on the desired menu entry. But i can't figure what's the best place on the wiki to share this information. Can you suggest the appropriate place? I suggest a new UI tricks or Usability tricks (or somesuch) bullet in the Getting Started group of the for Users section of the Wiki start page. (Obviously pointing to a new page, containing your suggestion.) Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] apt-get upgrade made the FR die...
2008/11/23 Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I must admit I had just started the upgrade command and went off to do different things... I've seen this too. But in my case I was OK again after a reboot. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] apt-get upgrade made the FR die...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It happent to me too, some months ago. It is possible to solve the problem in different ways, you can try to boot with a non debian image, download the install.sh script, and do only the stages: mount, kernel (in this way it reinstall only the kernel) I don't know if it can solve your problem, but can be a good points to start. Michele Renda Paul ha scritto: I must admit I had just started the upgrade command and went off to do different things... What I recall seeing at the end was the mention of a problem making a backup link to uImage.bin after which the upgrade exited with code 1. The SSH session was still fine, the GUI on the FR itself had died, however. After pulling the battery, things started up again, but they leave me with a dark screen (after a small flash of seeing X starting). Would someone know a nice way to get the FR running again? Thanks! Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkpNFkACgkQSIAU/I6SkT3JGwCfSJUkRZ2Ezud5CZaOf2uZhCKg iscAnjRWvtOtehyAfxNXcHKgxOigvxgW =sT4G -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian][OM2008][FSO] Found an easy solution for universal right- and middle-click
Paul Fertser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just added to my fbpanel two icons to launch xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3' and xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 3 1' to switch ts to left-click and to middle-click respectively. Right-click can be added as well. Does this work for you with xserver-xglamo? It doesn't here. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 106, Issue 55
Josh Thompson wrote: Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while exercising? The UMC-3 case logic armband matches quite well the Freerunner. The case is very elastic and so the headset can be plugged too. The lycra cover can be pulled back for permanently viewing the screen. The fr does not seem to become too warm in this plastic bag (test using OM2008.8 + GPS). Best regards, Gilles Case Logic: Universal MP3 Sport Case, Large : http://www.caselogic.com/universal_mp3_sport_case_large/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=120544 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: armband
Sorry for my previous mail, the subeject was not correct. Gilles Casse wrote: Josh Thompson wrote: Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while exercising? The UMC-3 case logic armband matches quite well the Freerunner. The case is very elastic and so the headset can be plugged too. The lycra cover can be pulled back for permanently viewing the screen. The fr does not seem to become too warm in this plastic bag (test using OM2008.8 + GPS). Best regards, Gilles Case Logic: Universal MP3 Sport Case, Large : http://www.caselogic.com/universal_mp3_sport_case_large/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=120544 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
jewgeni, seems you experience the well known sd card issue. wiki and/or archives should offer a lot of postings on the issue. it boils down to setting sd_max_clk -- in your case in the nand boot environment since your fr seems unable to boot from sd at all. searching for sd_max_clk +openmoko should give you sufficient enough hits. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian][OM2008][FSO] Found an easy solution for universal right- and middle-click
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Timo Juhani Lindfors ha scritto: Does this work for you with xserver-xglamo? It doesn't here. In xserver-xglamo i saw no way to make a right click! Michele Renda -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkpa5IACgkQSIAU/I6SkT1LoACfVB/Utu5fQCFP4Jhd9GNK4PY7 cvUAniWGUf7qSCtPY9O/3EvEsO2UKpj7 =mkXC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
2008/11/22 Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: He, actually you're right.. I withdraw that remark.. It's OK hardware, but with an excellent aesthetic design, and an innovative UI. A UI that would not have been possible if the multi-touch hardware was not in place. /Anton On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM, robert lazarski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make poor hardware decisions, but the opposite. Converesely, one could argue that apple has very mediocre hardware and its strength is both UI and things just work. Not that use apple for anything. More clutter ;-( . So what this illustrates is that arguing in isolation a question like what kind of touchscreen to use doesn't make sense. It only makes sense in the context of what overall product or goal you're trying to achieve. Apple are good at that - but then it's vastly easier for them because their vision is of a single monoculture everywhere, and they have no interest in encouraging other options. It's much more difficult for Openmoko, because their very point is not to dictate the final product. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] apt-get upgrade made the FR die...
Would someone know a nice way to get the FR running again? am i right in assuming that you a) are running debian from sd card and b) have /boot as separate fat partition ? if so, unmount /boot, run apt-get -f install this should fix any half installed packages afterwards copy the files in /boot somewhere, remount /boot and copy the files back to /boot the linking issue is a issue with dpkg itself and using fat is discouraged now. there were several messages regarding this issue the last weeks ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] apt-get upgrade made the FR die...
Thanks, everyone, for the tips. I'll look into changing the FAT partition to EXT2, as that seems to be the big problem-maker. Paul -- Be a friend to thyself, and others will be so too. -Thomas Fuller http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.10 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
afaik you CAN indeed... follow this link: http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen afaik, you can not. a capacitive screen requires fingers and does not work with styli. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
afaik you CAN indeed... follow this link: http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php well, that's not what stylus means and nothing sensible (why using a thing that effectively mimics a finger into the big fat top), but ok. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Sunday 23 November 2008 16:59:18 Anton Persson wrote: afaik you CAN indeed... follow this link: http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Less capable in which way? We just saw that you CAN use a stylus with a capacitive screen afaik, you can not. a capacitive screen requires fingers and does not work with styli. the trick is basically to find a material that have the same properties as human flesh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_screen#Capacitive ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
sms submit report
Hi,
with this command i can send a sms but how can i activate the submit report of
the sms? I do not really understand how to give this
dictionary a{sv}:properties to the SendMessage. What is the key and
what is the value?
#mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device \
org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage u\+xxx\ u\test\ \{\}
... SendMessage ( ssa{sv} ) → i ...
.
Additional properties of the message. Valid tuples are:
(string:type) = type of the SMS, must be one of (SMS_SUBMIT, SMS_DELIVER,
SMS_COMMAND, SMS_SUBMIT_REPORT, SMS_DELIVER_REPORT),
(string:alphabet) = Encoding of the short message, must be one of (binary,
gsm, usc2),
Properties for concatenated short messages (CSM):
(int:csm_id) = Id of the csm (messages belonging to the same csm must have the
same id),
(int:csm_num) = Total number of messages in this csm,
(int:csm_seq) = Number defining the order of the messages in the csm.
Properties for port addressing (similar to UDP ports):
(int:src_port) = Source port this short message comes from,
(int:dst_port) = Destination port this short message should be routed to.
...
thanks and greets
Michael
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Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
very nice...but what about the raster's keyboard? i cannot see it at all... any hint? am i doing something wrong? d On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Jesus McCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: rocks! compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant (desktops on diet) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--state-of-enlightment-and-illume-packaging-tp1442698p1567005.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] 'opkg upgrade' interrupted.
Joel Newkirk wrote: [...] The short solution - 'opkg update' and 'opkg install dropbear' from terminal, then 'opkg upgrade' via ssh. opkg is imperfect... Actually I believe it's dropbear's fault. Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I realy like them
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:43 PM, drac2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes:-p -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/I-realy-like-them-tp1563210p1563210.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hilarious! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian][OM2008][FSO] Found an easy solution for universal right- and middle-click
Hi, (i posted the reply off-list by occasion, sorry) Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just added to my fbpanel two icons to launch xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3' and xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 3 1' to switch ts to left-click and to middle-click respectively. Right-click can be added as well. This sounds great. Is it possible to make the changes automatically one-time-only - i.e. so that they automatically revert to left-click after one right- or middle- click? I think that would best match what one needs in practice; e.g. right-click to bring up a context menu, then left-click on the desired menu entry. Here's an ugly hack to do what you suggest: bash -c 'xmodmap -e pointer = 2 3 1; /root/bin/waitclick.sh; xmodmap -e pointer = 1 2 3' where /root/bin/waitclick.sh: #!/bin/sh input-events 1 21 | ( grep -q -m 1 released kill $$ ) I couldn't find a more elegant way but this one works for me. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
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Re: [Debian][OM2008][FSO] Found an easy solution for universal right- and middle-click
Hi, Timo Juhani Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just added to my fbpanel two icons to launch xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3' and xmodmap -e 'pointer = 2 3 1' to switch ts to left-click and to middle-click respectively. Right-click can be added as well. Does this work for you with xserver-xglamo? It doesn't here. I didn't try, but i think it's quite possible that it is xglamo's limitation. It seems that nobody is interested in supporting it anymore, as Graeme is now porting RandR (and then acceleration) to Xorg. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's GSM Calypso Modem Firmware Upgrade...
Works for me too (before I had no problems with sim card). However, I noticed its take now little longer to register to the network. -- hiciu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Al Johnson wrote: make a uBoot menu entry to boot from partition 3 as described in the wiki. You could add extra partitions for other distros too. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD That works for me now Thank you Just want to share something, the partition number containing the uImage.bin must appear in the menu entry by addding : partition_Number_On_SD_Card as follows: fatload mmc 1:3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--Soft-keyboard-tp1518369p1569278.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
seems you experience the well known sd card issue. wiki and/or archives should offer a lot of postings on the issue. it boils down to setting sd_max_clk -- in your case in the nand boot environment since your fr seems unable to boot from sd at all. searching for sd_max_clk +openmoko should give you sufficient enough hits. Thanks for suggestion, I've found a lot of information on this. Now I have a disaster... Trying to follow http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:5 I entered /dev/ttyACM0 console and redefined bootcmd environment variable through minicom terminal emulator. Something went wrong -- I don't know what step caused it -- and since then Neo could still boot from NAND (kernel + rootfs) but couldn't be reflashed, it says something like writing past memory available, I guess it's because broken environment. I've found some promising info about Factory reset, but it wasn't in my NAND boot menu. Bad. Next I found Devirginator which promises to do that reset another way. One of the steps described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader says that I need to make a shot of current env before modifying it writing it back in place. So I issued dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U env.in and this was the end. dfu-util said that no DFU device is present and exit. Now Neo can't even be seen as DFU device from my notebook. Although Freerunner boots its current software version, FSO milestone 4. What next? Resort to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked or search for a guy with Debug board or ...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
like writing past memory available, I guess it's because broken environment. hardly. i'd rather think you try to flash the wrong partition. what exactly did you do and what exactly did dfu-util or the fr report? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | seems you experience the well known sd card issue. | wiki and/or archives should offer a lot of postings on the issue. | it boils down to setting sd_max_clk -- in your case in the nand boot environment since your fr seems | unable to boot from sd at all. | searching for sd_max_clk +openmoko should give you sufficient enough hits. | |Thanks for suggestion, I've found a lot of information on this. |Now I have a disaster... Trying to follow | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:5 I entered | /dev/ttyACM0 console and redefined bootcmd environment variable | through minicom terminal emulator. Something went wrong -- I don't If it's a Freerunner, just hold down that corner AUX button when you power on, you should get into a backup NOR copy of U-Boot and can DFU new stuff in from there. If you still get errors, post your dfu-util commandline. For the original problem, actually my first suspect would be physical connectivity to the fingers in the uSD connector. A guy before found he had to add some paper on top of the SIM to push down enough to make reliable contact. Recent kernels have a workaround in that starts the card at slower clock until the first bulk transfer completed successfully when it is cranked up to 16MHz, that seemed to make the previous problems with some cards pretty much go away. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkpqzYACgkQOjLpvpq7dMro/wCbB8ruZlgL6eYIEhXWSK+i45yj SUEAoI12TXFYY8DpIHqlijhixSnyBlj9 =4O3A -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debian + SHR Apps
i tried to install shr apps under debian (on fr) well ipk install doens't work because the filetype differs, and (and thats what made me give up) obviously the architecture in the control file, so the only possibility to install apps was altering the archives an scp the contents (of course of the data archive) to my fr... pretty soon i riealized if one doesn't know ALL the dependecies it's a job that can't be done till Feb 2032. (btw i'm running e (Illume) on my debian installation) so i wanted to ask you if you know a better way to install shr apps under debian (supposed it's compatible (SHR is fso m4 basend and so is my current version od debain)) as said simple transforimg the tar into an ar archve doesn't work (and neither does altering and manually editing the control file - so i stuck with scp) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.x] 'opkg upgrade' interrupted.
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:55:06 +0100, Lech Karol Pawłaszek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: [...] The short solution - 'opkg update' and 'opkg install dropbear' from terminal, then 'opkg upgrade' via ssh. opkg is imperfect... Actually I believe it's dropbear's fault. Kind regards, The snafu of killing your active SSH during upgrade is not strictly Dropbear's fault, more the fault of the upgrade/install scripts accompanying the package. Regardless, I was unclear, but was referring to the other 'issues' when I referred to opkg as 'imperfect' (being polite). Unless it's in the middle of a string of inter-related dependencies, there's no reason that previously-handled packages should be processed again. And ideally, 'environment-breaking' actions like restarting dropbear or restarting X should be deferred until all package upgrades are completed. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
2008/11/23 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Recent kernels have a workaround in that starts the card at slower clock until the first bulk transfer completed successfully when it is cranked up to 16MHz, that seemed to make the previous problems with some cards pretty much go away. Presumably these recent kernels aren't in 2008.9. Is there any way of getting them without getting testing versions of everything else? Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Creating a distro on a sim card
On Nov 22, 2008, at 7:28 PM, William Kenworthy wrote:
Have a look at /etc/defaults/dropbear - does it lock ssh to usb0 only?
BillK
This is what is my /etc/defaults/dropbear says
DROPBEAR_PORT=`ip addr list usb0 | awk 'BEGIN { FS=[ /]+ } /inet /
{ print $3 }'`:22
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Re: Will there be a hardware revision for the buzzing issue?
Is buzzing issue linked with speaker? When my freerunner has removed case and I'm calling to someone I can hear silent buzzing. But I am sure it comes from back of the phone (near GPS antenna), not from speaker. It is really silent and I can hardly hear it with case putted on. It is there even if I use headset or mute speaker in alsamixer. It isn't issue for me, but I wonder if it is related to this buzzing issue or it's something completely different. Sorry for my bad English. I hope you can understand what I'm mean :). -- hiciu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Expressing hope that the next-gen Openmoko hardware might support 3G/3.5G/HSDPA when it arrives
2008/11/14 Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How does all this relate to GTA03? Well, on one hand internally we work around the clock as if we are trying to start mass production of GTA03 next month. Sean would certainly love to mass produce improved hardware _ANY TIME_ :-) Sean always pushes us to work faster and get things done. On the other hand it's such a huge task. A 100% free and open mobile platform. Thousands of details. And a very small internal engineering force. I have around 30 internal engineers. The typical mobile platform (Nokia/Symbian, WinMobile/HTC, Android/HTC, RIMM, Apple) has over 1000. Is Openmoko planning to hire the missing 970? No. We can only hire very carefully as the current sales of GTA02 allow us to do. Otherwise we would endanger the openness of the platform. The other 970 must come from our community, and increasingly they are. So by buying Freerunners, fixing or writing up bugs, helping to document more aspects of the phone, you help us all get to GTA03 faster. When will GTA03 come out? You tell me. You, and the rest of the community influence it more than you can imagine. We have decided to make changes to the hardware only incrementally, along product lines of our current chip vendors whenever possible, so that as much as possible of the software effort can carry over. We have decided to focus our internal software engineering on the low level, so that we leverage our insider knowledge about the hardware and schematics, while relying on the larger Free Software community to help with higher-level software. You say the current software is a 'joke', which is painful for me but I accept it. From where we all want to be it's a joke, yes. Agreed. So that also answers your question when GTA03 will come out. It's a long way, maybe another year. I personally find the news that Openmoko are focusing on the Freerunner and the current software stack, rather than pushing the next model out of the door, very reassuring. It is great for all the people who have supported Openmoko by buying a Freerunner. However if Openmoko do release the next model later than originally thought it will delay when the generation after it (GTA04) is brought out. So I'm still holding onto the hope that they might swap out the new EDGE modem in the upcoming GTA03 for a 3.5G/HSDPA device instead. The later that the GTA03 comes out to buy, the bigger a deal it will be if it doesn't support 3G (and 3.5G) technologies. I understand that there are multiple factors at stake here, but I do hope Openmoko are giving the connectivity of the phone the weighting it deserves. For some parts of the world 3.5G is still unimportant due to lack of good, affordable HSDPA access. Some people cannot understand why others make such a big fuss about it. However, for an increasing portion of the market it is becoming expected in any new smart phone. And please believe me, I understand that everyone has their own personal wishlist of things that they think it is important to have in the new Openmoko hardware. And while I may feel that the connectivity of the device is of special importance because it is a phone, others will disagree. But I have a feeling that the 3G supporters have become a little underrepresented in the community because so many people for whom it is a critical feature have moved on from Openmoko, saying I'll check back in a couple of years, because we have been told that 3G won't be in the next-generation device either. And what is the point of staying involved if it will be literally years before there is a model that meets this essential (for those in this category) need. I have several friends who are enthusiastic Linux users and supporters (and developers) of open hardware, and Openmoko. But two have already given in and invested in HSDPA enabled phones (one bought, to our surprise, an iPhone). They don't check the OM mailing lists or make their voice heard. They have moved on. Yet they would still buy from Openmoko if it surprised them with an open hardware + FOSS phone with HSDPA. So this email is about making sure that it is known that there is a market of people who have suspended their hope in OM for the time being but will come rushing back once it can offer 3.5G (I pretty much use the terms 3G, 3.5G and HSDPA interchangeably as Apple seem to). I know that Harald Welte is a big supporter of better connectivity in Openmoko and is working in his spare time to get a proprietary 3.5G phone running the Openmoko stack (see his blog post here: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2008/11/11/#2008-glofiish_m800 ). This might turn out to be a fix for some of us but we would still not feel we were supporting Openmoko properly - we want to buy the hardware from them. Regards, Justyn. ps. I am a Neo1973 owner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian + SHR Apps
so i wanted to ask you if you know a better way to install shr apps under debian The correct thing is to create debian packages for software in question. Debian New Maintainer Guide [1] documents how to do so. [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian + SHR Apps
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Re: [Debian][OM2008][FSO] Found an easy solution for universal right- and middle-click
2008/11/23 Paul Fertser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here's an ugly hack to do what you suggest: bash -c 'xmodmap -e pointer = 2 3 1; /root/bin/waitclick.sh; xmodmap -e pointer = 1 2 3' where /root/bin/waitclick.sh: #!/bin/sh input-events 1 21 | ( grep -q -m 1 released kill $$ ) I couldn't find a more elegant way but this one works for me. Thank you! I'll try this out. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I realy like them
drac2000 wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p Just for the record, these were contributed by various people here: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg33921.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
From: arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] like writing past memory available, I guess it's because broken environment. hardly. i'd rather think you try to flash the wrong partition. what exactly did you do and what exactly did dfu-util or the fr report? I already flashed Freerunner several times before with dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uImage-XX.bin with no troubles, last time I tried uImage-2.6.24+r10+gitr6e2a723ef54ee2e739c34786981b2c508db803c1-r10-om-gta02.bin which is 1895768 bytes long so there shouldn't be a problem here. dfu-util now can't even locate GTA02 when it's in NOR menu state. dfu-util -l says nothing, and dmesg has this: [20575.933963] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 36 [20582.407633] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 37 [20588.431796] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [20595.195357] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [20595.335909] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 38 [20601.865524] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 39 [20608.656191] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [20616.763672] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [20616.838742] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 40 [20623.245361] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [24031.580522] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 41 [24038.054249] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 42 [24044.080009] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [24050.142505] usb 3-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [24050.214373] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 43 [24066.486002] usb 3-1.4: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 44 and many other lines related to it, so I'm sure I'm bricked. DFU functionality disappeared right after I tried to take a snapshot of u-boot environment with dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U env.bin From: Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it's a Freerunner, just hold down that corner AUX button when you power on, you should get into a backup NOR copy of U-Boot and can DFU new stuff in from there. If you still get errors, post your dfu-util commandline. I'm in NOR menu already (see above) and dfu-util says that it writes u-boot piece past memory. Now thanks God all I have is working FSO m4 from where I can do something with this situation. For the original problem, actually my first suspect would be physical connectivity to the fingers in the uSD connector. A guy before found he had to add some paper on top of the SIM to push down enough to make reliable contact. Recent kernels have a workaround in that starts the card at slower clock until the first bulk transfer completed successfully when it is cranked up to 16MHz, that seemed to make the previous problems with some cards pretty much go away. I'm glad to hear it. It may be a good idea to have a backup rock-solid bare copy of working firmware somewhere inside Neo to restore it in such cases, although that tempting Factory reset option may be exactly what I'm talking about. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Changing layout of Qtopia predictive keyboard
Hello. I am wondering if and how it is possible to change the keyboard layout of the Qtopia predictive keyboard. I've tried to search around, but only find info on the Matchbox and Rasters Illume keyboard. I'm running 2008.testing. 1) How can I change the keyboard layout of the Qtopia predictive keyboard? I assume it is possible, I just didn't find out how yet. The layout can't be hardcoded in the source code, can it? If it's not possible, the next question will be 2) How can I use Rasters Illume keyboard without using Illume theme as can be specified in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile? If I use the illume theme, enlightenment crashes way too often and because of it, it's quite unusable. Thanks for any help. Kind Regards, Ivar Mossin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
2008/11/23 Jesus McCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]: rocks! compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant (desktops on diet) I'm liking it too, definitely has immediately become my default, replacing trayer+openmoko-panel-plugin. I especially like - the and buttons for switching apps - the keyboard - which I haven't actually used very much yet, but appears to have the same fuzzy logic as the Qtopia one - everything accessible from the Illume background menu. Only but is that Enlightenment SEGV'd on me on startup, has anyone else seen that? If not I guess I should try to get some diags. I chose the Recover option, and that seemed to work. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Neil Jerram schrieb: 2008/11/23 Jesus McCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]: rocks! compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant (desktops on diet) I'm liking it too, definitely has immediately become my default, replacing trayer+openmoko-panel-plugin. I especially like - the and buttons for switching apps - the keyboard - which I haven't actually used very much yet, but appears to have the same fuzzy logic as the Qtopia one - everything accessible from the Illume background menu. Only but is that Enlightenment SEGV'd on me on startup, has anyone else seen that? If not I guess I should try to get some diags. I chose the Recover option, and that seemed to work. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community do you really care about segv ? this si not a debian issue, e17 is still in development, but the recovery option is flawless (just my experience, but ALWAYS worked and it doesn't take more that a few seconds, so you can still answer a call if this happens!) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | From: arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | like writing past memory available, I guess it's because broken | environment. | hardly. i'd rather think you try to flash the wrong partition. | what exactly did you do and what exactly did dfu-util or the fr report? | |I already flashed Freerunner several times before with | | dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uImage-XX.bin Hum the -a u-boot or -a 1 tells it to put stuff in the U-Boot partition, it's the wrong one: uImage-blah.bin is a kernel image. To flash the kernel, you need to tell it -a kernel or -a 3. To fix it you need to put a U-Boot image into the u-boot partition again. |and many other lines related to it, so I'm sure I'm bricked. DFU | functionality disappeared right after I tried to take a snapshot of | u-boot environment with | | dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U env.bin Why do you think it's bricked? The NOR menu comes up OK on LCM, right? - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkpy+AACgkQOjLpvpq7dMog3wCfYFRcSsf+C+R5OA9KZG/+v8qu n2cAn15MsGAJJFAdBdJNksAOg9+hKN6d =pMrT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
2008/11/23 Bernd Prünster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: do you really care about segv ? this si not a debian issue, e17 is still in development, but the recovery option is flawless (just my experience, but ALWAYS worked and it doesn't take more that a few seconds, so you can still answer a call if this happens!) I care if what I'm getting is the expected behaviour, or is atypical; with the related points being - is there something that I am doing wrong to cause this? - should I be spending time to collect and report more diagnostics? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Creating a distro on a sim card
Replace with DROPBEAR_PORT=*:22 to connect via wifi, usb etc.
BillK
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 12:00 -0800, Rodney Myers wrote:
On Nov 22, 2008, at 7:28 PM, William Kenworthy wrote:
Have a look at /etc/defaults/dropbear - does it lock ssh to usb0 only?
BillK
This is what is my /etc/defaults/dropbear says
DROPBEAR_PORT=`ip addr list usb0 | awk 'BEGIN { FS=[ /]+ } /inet /
{ print $3 }'`:22
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Re: [FSO] problem connect Dbus signals with Qt4
Am Sunday 23 November 2008 22:24:18 schrieb macebre: Does somebody know which type I have to use there or where I could find more information about this? Is there a command to find out which Qt type is send by a signal? Please consult the Qt DBus documentation, e.g. http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qdbusargument.html IIRC it says there that you have to use the operator to extract arguments out of arrays and structs. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
2008/11/24 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uImage-XX.bin Hum the -a u-boot or -a 1 tells it to put stuff in the U-Boot partition, it's the wrong one: uImage-blah.bin is a kernel image. To flash the kernel, you need to tell it -a kernel or -a 3. Ah yes, missed that, I write it by memory. To fix it you need to put a U-Boot image into the u-boot partition again. Why do you think it's bricked? The NOR menu comes up OK on LCM, right? DFU is absent, dfu-util -l finds no suitable device to work with, maybe because I damaged it when I changed environment in minicom console or I uploaded wrong image onto that. AUX+POW on the phone, menu appears, dfu-util -l on desktop, and no DFU device found. I know no other way of flashing new u-boot image without DFU protocol working, except Debug board which I haven't. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2008/11/23 Bernd Prünster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: do you really care about segv ? this si not a debian issue, e17 is still in development, but the recovery option is flawless (just my experience, but ALWAYS worked and it doesn't take more that a few seconds, so you can still answer a call if this happens!) I care if what I'm getting is the expected behaviour, or is atypical; with the related points being - is there something that I am doing wrong to cause this? - should I be spending time to collect and report more diagnostics? For me Illume also sigegsvs quite often, so I assume this is expected behaviour until its resolved. The recover function works well though. Regards, Neil -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | 2008/11/24 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | | dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uImage-XX.bin | | Hum the -a u-boot or -a 1 tells it to put stuff in the U-Boot | partition, it's the wrong one: uImage-blah.bin is a kernel image. | To flash the kernel, you need to tell it -a kernel or -a 3. | |Ah yes, missed that, I write it by memory. | | To fix it you need to put a U-Boot image into the u-boot partition again. | Why do you think it's bricked? The NOR menu comes up OK on LCM, right? | |DFU is absent, dfu-util -l finds no suitable device to work with, | maybe because I damaged it when I changed environment in minicom | console or I uploaded wrong image onto that. AUX+POW on the phone, | menu appears, dfu-util -l on desktop, and no DFU device found. |I know no other way of flashing new u-boot image without DFU | protocol working, except Debug board which I haven't. I'm not sure what's happening to you, but your dmesg traffic would be pretty normal if you were entering and then leaving U-Boot... the connection would indeed timeout (-110) when we leave U-Boot and load the kernel / crash or whatever. If you hold down the AUX / corner key when you power up, you should come up in NOR U-Boot with a menu on the LCM. If that's true, you should have 30s to do the DFU you want to do before it times out. =Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkp0tkACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqT8ACeOHz4I52jvyHmAohEwymwTacD aiwAmwfNZTIxBkA/Dx79gHkWGjaQZ8iD =iJ8e -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian + SHR Apps
Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb: so i wanted to ask you if you know a better way to install shr apps under debian The correct thing is to create debian packages for software in question. blah! sry but ipk and deb just differ in filetype... No. Distributions do call packages differently, and have other differences. When you install non-native package, you do break system dependency handling. If you want things to work reliable, don't break dependency handling. This is a gold rule for desktops and servers, and it is still true for Debian on freerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian + SHR Apps
Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb: Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb: so i wanted to ask you if you know a better way to install shr apps under debian The correct thing is to create debian packages for software in question. blah! sry but ipk and deb just differ in filetype... No. Distributions do call packages differently, and have other differences. When you install non-native package, you do break system dependency handling. If you want things to work reliable, don't break dependency handling. This is a gold rule for desktops and servers, and it is still true for Debian on freerunner. Ok you shut me up, wasn't considering the diffenrent names of packages ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows on openmoko?
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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Neil, We could not have said it better. In my view the surveys serve a good, albeit limited, purpose. They get ideas out in the open and expose potential shortcoming of various design decisions. In the end, design decisions are complex system dependent choices, choices made under constraint. Very rarely does anyone know or appreciate all of the constraints, especially when it comes to constraints such as cost, schedule, reliability, sourcing, etc. In some cases, under certain design philosophies the decision process is simplified somewhat by a mantra such as design to cost wherein cost drives every decision. Been there; done that. We could also optimize designs for time to market. The path we are taking, as you note, is designing for openness. What does that mean? and how do we measure it? The designs are invitations to innovation, where the insanely great product is built outside our walls. So one way to measure it is by the work the community does. Did they accept the invitation to innovate? and perhaps more importantly how far away from our vision did they wander? The farther the better. That approach strikes many as odd, but we view the open design as a decentralization of power, the hallmark of which is diversity, not homogeneity. So for example, we might ask WRT touch screens, does this design choice limit innovation or promote it. That's a tough one. Thanks for getting what we are after in our approach. Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/11/22 Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: He, actually you're right.. I withdraw that remark.. It's OK hardware, but with an excellent aesthetic design, and an innovative UI. A UI that would not have been possible if the multi-touch hardware was not in place. /Anton On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM, robert lazarski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Anton Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make poor hardware decisions, but the opposite. Converesely, one could argue that apple has very mediocre hardware and its strength is both UI and things just work. Not that use apple for anything. More clutter ;-( . So what this illustrates is that arguing in isolation a question like what kind of touchscreen to use doesn't make sense. It only makes sense in the context of what overall product or goal you're trying to achieve. Apple are good at that - but then it's vastly easier for them because their vision is of a single monoculture everywhere, and they have no interest in encouraging other options. It's much more difficult for Openmoko, because their very point is not to dictate the final product. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Expressing hope that the next-gen Openmoko hardware might support 3G/3.5G/HSDPA when it arrives
Justyn, I do hope Openmoko are giving the connectivity of the phone the weighting it deserves. ... However, for an increasing portion of the market it is becoming expected in any new smart phone. ... So this email is about making sure that it is known that there is a market of people who have suspended their hope in OM for the time being but will come rushing back once it can offer 3.5G Yes, we are fully aware of 3G, thanks for the reminder still. Luckily development is heating up, both internally we continue hiring and our community grows and buys more phones. The smarter we are in ramping this up the faster we get to 3G. Best Regards, Wolfgang ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Gerrit and Repo, the Android Source Management Tools for GIT
I'm uncertain if this is the right list to post to, however, I came across this in ccontext of Android, but since it seems that most of the distros are using GIT then this may be of broader general interest. http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/11/gerrit-and-repo-android-source.html cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will there be a hardware revision for the buzzing issue?
Am Mo 24. November 2008 schrieb hiciu: Is buzzing issue linked with speaker? When my freerunner has removed case and I'm calling to someone I can hear silent buzzing. But I am sure it comes from back of the phone (near GPS antenna), not from speaker. It is really silent and I can hardly hear it with case putted on. It is there even if I use headset or mute speaker in alsamixer. It isn't issue for me, but I wonder if it is related to this buzzing issue or it's something completely different. Sorry for my bad English. I hope you can understand what I'm mean :). This is probably caused y the high intermittent current the GSM-modem is drawing from battery, what makes coils and the ceramic capacitors on the current path act like little speakers. No reason to be scared ;-) /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Expressing hope that the next-gen Openmoko hardware might support 3G/3.5G/HSDPA when it arrives
Am Mo 24. November 2008 schrieb W.Kenworthy: Are there any statistics available on how many phones have been sold and where - I ask out of interest, but realise this may be something thats is commercially sensitive so wont be released. BillK Yes, exactly ;-) cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Changing layout of Qtopia predictive keyboard
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:19:51PM +0100, Ivar Mossin wrote: Hello. I am wondering if and how it is possible to change the keyboard layout of the Qtopia predictive keyboard. I've tried to search around, but only find info on the Matchbox and Rasters Illume keyboard. I'm running 2008.testing. 1) How can I change the keyboard layout of the Qtopia predictive keyboard? I assume it is possible, I just didn't find out how yet. The layout can't be hardcoded in the source code, can it? Yes, it can: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=blob;f=src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/predictivekeyboard.cpp;h=94ef081719d4a7af16e3f4e6dbc842031696ac9d;hb=master#l137 If it's not possible, the next question will be 2) How can I use Rasters Illume keyboard without using Illume theme as can be specified in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile? Hm, that I don't know. Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
2008/11/24 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: |DFU is absent, dfu-util -l finds no suitable device to work with, | maybe because I damaged it when I changed environment in minicom | console or I uploaded wrong image onto that. AUX+POW on the phone, | menu appears, dfu-util -l on desktop, and no DFU device found. |I know no other way of flashing new u-boot image without DFU | protocol working, except Debug board which I haven't. I'm not sure what's happening to you, but your dmesg traffic would be pretty normal if you were entering and then leaving U-Boot... the connection would indeed timeout (-110) when we leave U-Boot and load the kernel / crash or whatever. If you hold down the AUX / corner key when you power up, you should come up in NOR U-Boot with a menu on the LCM. If that's true, you should have 30s to do the DFU you want to do before it times out. Yes, I know that, but I'm unable to connect to the phone through DFU protocol because Neo don't offer itself as a device supporting DFU. I have Neo plugged in to desktop throught USB cable. AUX+POW gives me NOR boot menu and at the same time Neo must be visible to desktop as DFU-capable device within next 30 seconds, but it's not. That's why I (may be erroneously) call myself bricked -- I can boot Neo with it's currently installed software (FSO m4) but I can't update it's NAND to anything else since the moment I damaged(?) u-boot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I/O problems with SD card
If you hold down the AUX / corner key when you power up, you should come up in NOR U-Boot with a menu on the LCM. If that's true, you should have 30s to do the DFU you want to do before it times out. Yes, I know that, but I'm unable to connect to the phone through DFU protocol because Neo don't offer itself as a device supporting DFU. Have you tried to connect usb cable AFTER freerunner started NOR u-boot? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
