Hi,
quot;Andraž 'ruskie' Levstikquot; wrote:
madplay 60-70%
mpg123 30-40%
I did see mpg123 and mpc, but I don't know how they will work out on the
neo. OTOH, mplayer does support just about everything out there (including
video). So that's a plus.
Of course, I'm going to try their
Looks like that build of mplayer doesn't play FLAC.
2009/2/20, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:51 AM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi,
Well, intone - the media player in making (and it's **really** basic as
of
now), uses 0% CPU (according to HTOP (all my tests
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:51 -0500, Daniel Benoy wrote:
On Wednesday 18 February 2009 16:42:52 you wrote:
2009/2/18 Daniel Benoy dan...@benoy.name
If I were to get this I would gladly act as a beta tester. I could also
set it up on my network and give developers shell access, if
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I've searched around to get an answer, but nothing...
this is just a little question flogging in my mind since 2008.12 was
released: when will we have a lower power-consumption kernel, getting
the Neo FreeRunner usable for 3 or 4 days
Hi everyone,
the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap
[1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org.
As mentioned on the main page openBmap is a free and open map of
wireless communicating objects (e.g. cellular antenna, Wi-Fi,
Bluetooth). It provides tools to
Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com writes:
Are there stable and not draining-down kernels avaiable today?
Not really, we can stop backlight and extra devices but the main cpu
frequency is not lowered down. See the wiki for why it is not easy.
On Friday 20 February 2009 09:43:15 Francesco de Virgilio wrote:
this is just a little question flogging in my mind since 2008.12 was
released: when will we have a lower power-consumption kernel, getting
the Neo FreeRunner usable for 3 or 4 days (suspending it frequently)?
You should try FSO
Sven Bretfeld wrote:
Dear Scott
In the meantime I shifted to Debian on the Openmoko. In Debian Emacs
just works fine.
Thanks for your help.
Sven
SCarlson scottrcarl...@gmail.com writes:
I compiled Emacs with my phone because of the issues with cross-compiling.
I had to install
True - but the things that improve is leaking less battery when nothing
happens, either by suspending or turning off things like backlight, gps,
wifi, etc.
What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking -
and I guess the answer is never?
- Gunnar
David Garabana Barro
Hi,
Why setting up your own database, while opencellid has
TotalCells:106120 acording to http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats ?
I think using there database will concentrate the data in on place and
will give you a better coverage.
Kind regards,
@
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Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grim...@dfki.de writes:
What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking -
and I guess the answer is never?
You can buy extra batteries. The USB battery
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060
is only $14.43. I don't think this lets
Or of course connect it to your car cigarette lighter, or to your bike!
You even get hand-crank usb chargers...
Perhaps I was too negative :)
- Gunnar
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grim...@dfki.de writes:
What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of
Hope this helps
http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloadcid=21
there is one bug - missing keyboard and dict data, just copy it to
/usr/share/enlightenment/modules/illume
i will fix it in next build
One more question:
i'm looking for backlight gadget like mixer, exists
Hi,
this has already been discussed in this thread on the devel list:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html
What happens is that the license of data in the opencellid database is not
clearly stated. People from openmoko has tried to contact them. We have tried
two
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I've searched around to get an answer, but nothing...
this is just a little question flogging in my mind since 2008.12 was
released: when will we have a lower power-consumption kernel, getting
the Neo
Cédric Berger wrote:
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 17:49, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk
wrote:
I may be misunderstanding the suggestion, but I don't think it had anything
to
do with data from ublox. The suggestion was to use data sent by other
freerunner users instead of the data
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM, onen...@free.fr wrote:
What happens is that the license of data in the opencellid database is not
clearly stated. People from openmoko has tried to contact them. We have tried
two times over three months time to contact them also. We have no answer so
far.
Hi,
Well, intone - the media player in making (and it's **really** basic as
of now), uses 0% CPU (according to HTOP (all my tests are with it).
mplayer, in a separate thread uses its usual 15% or so.
I'm using anjuta and glade for development, using fifo (named pipe) to
communicate with
Dear list :
The 12th Community Updates now is available.
It can be accessed from Community Box located at the left, or via
following link:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/February_20%2C_2009
I will like to thank the community for the help and for sharing us some
interesting
Hi,
bytestore wrote:
Create a playlist. And - I hope you have mplayer installed. :-) . No
error checking as of now. Soon!
Fabian Henze wrote:
Hi,
... switching to some EFL based GUI library, like Elementary or Edje.
Besides eating less RAM than your
GTK+ program, they are also
Hi, **Edited**
bytestore wrote:
segementation fault.
Create a playlist. And - I hope you have mplayer installed. :-) . No error
checking as of now. Soon!
Fabian Henze wrote:
Hi,
... switching to some EFL based GUI library, like Elementary or Edje.
Besides eating less RAM than your
Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no writes:
As far as I know - we do know the format. The SHR distribution
Yes frameworkd ogpsd has some info about it:
# Feed GPS with position and time
self.send(AID-INI, 48, {X : pos.get(x, 0) , Y : pos.get(y, 0) , Z :
pos.get(z, 0), \
POSACC :
:2009-02-20T11:50:Helge Hafting:
The kernel will always be hungry when you do gps logging, because the
processor must stay on in order to move coordinates from the gps
chip onto a file - once per second. (tangogps will need more power
because it also draws a track (can be turned off) and
I think that's what you are looking for:
http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik
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The kernel will always be hungry when you do gps logging, because the
processor must stay on in order to move coordinates from the gps
chip onto a file - once per second.
On Friday 20 February 2009 10:36:18 Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes wrote:
What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking -
and I guess the answer is never?
Don't know if the GPS chip in FR is specially power-hungry, but for example my
Tomtom ONE battery lasts only 2-3 hours.
Well, on the frontpage, bottom line it says:
The data are available under the Creative Common license.
Is that enough, or do you need more info about the details of that
license?
Kind regards,
Ed
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 11:36 +0100, onen...@free.fr wrote:
Hi,
this has already been discussed
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David Garabana Barro ha scritto:
You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR.
With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had about
50% battery.
battery life is improving a lot!
The GPS tracking is not a problem, since I'm
Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org writes:
Well, on the frontpage, bottom line it says:
The data are available under the Creative Common license.
Is that enough, or do you need more info about the details of that
license?
There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial
use,
Nice, thanks everyone who contributed. I just wish the engineering
news would come back - I don't follow the git changes but I still
would like to have a clue on what's happening there..
r
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Hi,
Richy-2 wrote:
I think that's what you are looking for:
http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary
Thanks. Switching over. Lets see how things turn out!
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial
use, some don't.
If you go one click further, you'd discover that the said Creative
Commons licence chosed by OpenCellID is :
Hi, you said
So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
about merging both databases. Any official insight on this? I've
been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
Could you please
last time i tested it (been some time)
i was able to get around 8hours of gps tracking
using tangogps, screen almost constantly dimmed
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Francesco de Virgilio
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Hi all
I would like to knwo if there was a gps tool which could save gps tracks
from command line with very few memory / cpu use ?
For OM, SHR or debian based distribution ?
It could be great to activate a GPS only mode wich turn off GSM, Wifi,
etc. and all the librairy running which are useless
Maybe this can help a bit:
http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html
(click on the first blue link)
it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built
and those with a building permission)
if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who
owns the tower, where it
I did. Not finger friendly except zhone
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.comwrote:
did anyone tried FYP already?
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kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes:
I would like to knwo if there was a gps tool which could save gps tracks
from command line with very few memory / cpu use ?
For OM, SHR or debian based distribution ?
echo rw | netcat localhost gpsd gps.log
is what I use. Very memory and cpu efficient.
And are you guys aware of cellhunter?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter
http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/
you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the game concept
for those interested
y
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe this
Hi,
here is the post of the thread I pointed out earlier explaining why this is not
clear at all, and why we have tried to reach the people behind opencellid.org
(without any success).
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004161.html
quote
The logo is placed next to the
excuse me for the spam, but just thought of something else:
do you guys also log information about neighbouring cells, like cellhunter does?
this might also be interesting when you have gps coordinates
the accuracy of the neighbouring cells are much lower ofcourse, but
could also provide some very
Hi,
I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the
license?
The whole point to me, is to have data with a license which lets me download it,
and use it directly on my phone. I don't want to send my GSM coordinate to any
third party on the Web to get my GPS position.
Hi,
I can't speak for the whole engineering, but I can bring light on paroli
and the respective images.
Over the past 7 days we have:
- gotten daily build unstable images which by now boot directly into paroli
I have discovered this project as I was cleaning up my code for release. At
first glance, the differences are:
* It sends direct AT commands to the modem, and parse the responses.
openBmap relies on freesmartphone.org
* So far they only collect data.
We already have the Web API available to
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
how openstreetmap extends..)
Thanks in advance
Sure I can, I'll try to send
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote:
Hi,
I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the
license?
You mean data from opencellid? I guess the raw data link in their
menu doesn't fit?
Or try there http://myapp.fr/cellsIdData/
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For the moment our position is:
We log the cell ids we get connected to.
We do not log the neighbour cells. The reason is: if we are far from the cells,
we will (maybe, this needs experimentation to my point of view) see the cells
even very far. I fear that it would stretch the areas, and thus
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote:
Any comments?
That's the current position of my script too. But I wanted to log both
the current cell and the respective levels of the neighbour cells.
That way, I could try (with a lt of data) to guess the actual
localization of the
No. If you look correctly at my response, I was responding to the message from
Yorick, about http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html
Onen
Quoting Olivier Migeot larry...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, onen...@free.fr wrote:
Hi,
I had a look, but did not find a way to
isn't more data always preferable? you could still decide not to use them...
cells that we are connected to would recieve a higher precision off course,
but if I walk five times around in a city, and I never get connected
to a certain cell, but I know a lot of points where that cell is in
range,
If you are interested in getting the position of the cells, this point was
discussed in the thread I pointed out earlier in this thread:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html
Maybe this can help you with your work.
Onen
Quoting Olivier Migeot larry...@gmail.com:
Very light in fact :D
Thanks !
2009/2/20 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes:
I would like to knwo if there was a gps tool which could save gps tracks
from command line with very few memory / cpu use ?
For OM, SHR or debian based distribution ?
Reported this to linux-usb list. Here is url:
Here is answer from David Brownell:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-usbm=123507198413197w=2
I guess i can't do much more with this problem, right?
Radek
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kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes:
arecord -D hw -f cd -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav
Btw, it's useful to add GSM cell information and GPS location
information to the filename when it is
This is a great idea. I personnaly try to add data into OSM when I have
time. I will add this in high priority in my to-do list.
By the way, I create a package called voicenote, and:
a wiki page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote
a opkg page : http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html
As you
Hi all
As the project I had to create a small software to record audio from the
microphone has given birth to a package, I officially tell the list about
it.
You can find the wiki page here :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote
And the opkg page here
http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html
As
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Recording...
/usr/bin/voicenote.sh: line 13: arecord: command not found
killall: arecord: no process killed
Your voice-note has been recorded under the filename :
voicenote_2000-02-09_16-49.wav
I cannot find any
kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes:
As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young :
* I need feedbacks
* there are many things to implement
I'd like to have voice detection so that it records only when I
talk. I'm sure there is some existing software that does this so
writing new
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Hi all
As the project I had to create a small software to record audio from the
microphone has given birth to a package, I officially tell the list
about it.
You can find the wiki page here :
Pardon,
should be added that alsa-utils-aplay package is needed to get the
program working properly; add this also on opkg.org:
opkg install alsa-utils-aplay
NOW IT WORKS!!
Great program :D
Greetings
Thanks for your feedback. Since I ran it on debian, I did not knwo this
package was
I did - nice distro with good tools (GPS on/off, Battery with current
drain/loading,...) in the upper task bar.
But in my case suspend does not work, so not for the daily use.
So worth a try I would suggest :)
:) stefan
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I'd like to have voice detection so that it records only when I
talk. I'm sure there is some existing software that does this so
writing new is not necessary.
It will be harder to do than this because :
* even if the soft exists, I have no knowledge to use it (my coding skill
are very thin,
Hello.
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:30, kimaidou wrote:
As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young :
* I need feedbacks
If you add and desktop file and an icon it should be usable without a terminal.
Just start it with a press in the launcher and you can make voicenotes in a fast
Hello.
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54, Onen wrote:
the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap
[1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org.
Awesome. Thanks for doing this.
The package Freesmartphone.org client [2] provides you with a logger,
and an uploader. It
Hi
Can you please tell me on which distribution you have installed it, and how
?
There are actually a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and a icon in
the /usr/share/pixmaps.
So on the OM and SHR distros, an icon should appear.
Please provide more details please :S
Has anyone else got the
Hi all,Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the details:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDKlater,andrew.
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Hi
Can you please tell me on which distribution you have installed it, and
how ?
There are actually a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and a icon
in the /usr/share/pixmaps.
So on the OM and SHR distros, an icon
One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface
which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for
bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing:
- - red -- message of the 1st window
- - orange -- message of the 2nd window
- - green -- recorded and saved
Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out).
I am behind the opencellid.org project, and it seems that there are some
discussion around it these day on the mailing list.
So let me clarifiy:
- As described in the web site, the license is under creative common share
alike
files. All that was required was a frontend for it! I know pythm is just
that, but my Neo uses more than 30% CPU with it. It could be a minor bug -
I'll just remind people here that pythm also works with MPD. If you use
the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the same as what
you
and...@howlett.net escribió:
Hi all,
Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my
experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the
details:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK
later,
andrew.
Hi! ...
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober
trive...@enable.cl wrote:
and...@howlett.net escribió:
Hi all,
Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my
experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the
details:
I've heard say that there is another Freerunner user at Harding University
(which is where I am) and I'm wondering who they are. If said person is on
this list, let me know. :) I was surprised when someone said they recognized
my phone, since most people see it and ask What is THAT??
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Thanks,
But where do we get this almanac data? Can we redistribute what
u-box.com sends us?
AFAIK, the almanac data that framworkd saves from the GPS can come from
u-blox but can also come directly from the GPS satellites. So we could
try to setup some kind of peer-to-peer distribution of the data
Oh, you guys are talking about something concerning me in a special way!!!
I can't wait any longer!
The last few days i was working on an dictation- oder
voice-recording-application as well. It is not ready yet, but basically
functionable.
I began with a python-gtk-gui and by now it is only
I am just crying so noisily right now :(
Ok, I have been beaten :D . But:
* I am happy someone has the same need
* I was trying to find doc on pygtk, so I will stop :D
* I will try your application
* I am sure it is what I intended to do at first. If not I will help you
with ideas and code
* I
Hi,
I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on :
QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version)
Kernel 2.6.28
Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all
commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt X.
running from µ-SD
The image is not yet 100%
Hello,
i am new to this whole openmoko stuff, so please be patient with me ;)
I tried to get a fyp installation running in qemu. Here is what i did:
1. compiled qemu with:
$ svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973
$ cd qemu-neo1973
$ ./configure
I couldn't find any good Qt Extended 4.4.2 feeds so I made my own:http://radagast.bglug.ca/neoAll Qt Extended 4.4.2 users are welcome to use it. If you want me to add your package email it to me at and...@nospampleasehowlett.net (remove the nospamplease to form the correct email address).So far
Please, don't you cry!!!
I haven't tried your application by now, but when I'll be home, I'll do
immediately! :)))
So let's work together:
* we need some python-ogg and python-vorbis packages for OM and SHR, i think
they exist in debian
(sources: http://ekyo.nerim.net/software/pyogg/index.html)
Am Friday 20 February 2009 16:27:15 schrieb and...@howlett.net:
Hi all,br /br /Spent the last six weeks fooling around with different
distributions. Obviously some distros are better than others for certain
tasks. IMO Qt Extended is the best for using FreeRunner as a phone
(although it sucks
It often happens to me that when I turn on the phone, Qi turns it off again
after a few seconds, when the boot process has already started. It only
boots normally when I turn it on the second time. Might after battery
removal. Anybody else noticed this?
Michal
Yeap.. I noticed it 2-3 times..
rusolis wrote:
It often happens to me that when I turn on the phone, Qi turns it off
again
after a few seconds, when the boot process has already started. It only
boots normally when I turn it on the second time. Might after battery
removal. Anybody else
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Hello,
I want to sell my GTA02, because i dont have time for play with the
mobile...
Is like new, i use it on a openmoko pouch.
I have buy from Pulster, on 18 of November of 2008.
The Package Includes:
* Neo FreeRunner
* AC adapter
* USB cable
* 1200 mAH battery
* Laser
2009/2/20 Paul p...@nlpagan.net
Hello folks,
Since a long time I can do something with the Freerunner again (my
mother died a few weeks ago...)
I have heard about Android images of Michael Trimarchi.
But in the readme on his site, he mentions that the Uboot environment
needs to be
Hi,
Nice work, but the qtgps is not working with the 4.4.2.
I can install it without problems, but when I am trying to run it, it
crashes (Application terminated due to
application error).
Rgrds
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Since a long time I can do something with the Freerunner again (my
mother died a few weeks ago...)
I have heard about Android images of Michael Trimarchi.
But in the readme on his site, he mentions that the Uboot environment
needs to be updated as the kernel is quite large.
Can
Hello.
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 16:18, kimaidou wrote:
Hi
Can you please tell me on which distribution you have installed it, and how
?
There are actually a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and a icon in
the /usr/share/pixmaps.
So on the OM and SHR distros, an icon should appear.
That's great - I'm using QtE 4.4.2 right now, and I'd love to get an updated
build - but I don't really have the time to muck about getting everything to
compile.
If you can share your images when they are ready, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
Warren
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM,
Just flash Qi to u-boot and you won't have to bother with env.
Thanks!
Paul
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very interesting indeed!
d
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Warren Baird photogeek...@gmail.comwrote:
That's great - I'm using QtE 4.4.2 right now, and I'd love to get an
updated build - but I don't really have the time to muck about getting
everything to compile.
If you can share your
hi,
Yorick Moko wrote:
isn't more data always preferable? you could still decide not to use them...
cells that we are connected to would recieve a higher precision off course,
Agreed. That is the point of view of Nick (from the project). Add a
field to know if the log is a connected cell,
Hello,
Stefan Schmidt wrote:
Hello.
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54, Onen wrote:
the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap
[1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org.
Awesome. Thanks for doing this.
I think so too ;-)
The package Freesmartphone.org client
Hi there,
I'm on 2008.12 += Kustomizer and I have just got pidgin working.
On my desktop I use a hackish pidgin plugin to use facebook chat via pidgin.
The website is here:
http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/
There is a version built for arm:
Hi Thomas,
Thomas Landspurg wrote:
Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out).
I am behind the opencellid.org http://opencellid.org project, and it
seems that there are some discussion around it these day on the mailing
list.
Last month, and today, indeed.
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