Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:30:13 +0100 Krister Svanlund adsumm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: [...] what exactly has one's value to do with the gender or the pronoun you are using to refer to him or her? your proposition is based on the assumption that one gender is less valueable than the other, hence, using the male or female pronoun would express a judgement. To me it seems obvious that ones own impression of something is heavily based on the language you use (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity and the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis). If you make a difference between two persons (by assigning them different genders) you will also put values on the difference even if it isn't your intention. [...] This is getting way off-topic, but love the discussion. I will make two observations: o Arne, I do agree with the point that you are making, but English (and other languages) uses the male pronoun by default, and I sympathise with people unhappy with that status quo. o I am not quite sure what to make of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. On one hand, I think that Chomsky, and people like Steven Pinker demonstrate quite conclusively that language is a basic human instinct, and not a cultural construct. On the other hand, it would seem obvious that the ideas, and language one grows up with influence one's outlook. On the whole, I lean towards Chomsky. Regards, Gora (who is still pondering the influence of languages like Hindi, which assign gender not only to animals, but also to inanimate objects) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Reminder of meet (Was: Meetup of people interested in the OpenMoko, and other open hardware)
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:01:56 +0530 Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Hi, A reminder to people in Delhi, and NCR. We are meeting tomorrow (Sat., 31/1) as per the following details. A Wiki page for the meeting, where one can sign up to offer/get rides is at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/Main/OpenMokoMeet Event:OpenMoko enthusiasts meeting Date: Sat., Jan 31st Time: 6.30pm onwards Agenda: Get-together of people interested in the OpenMoko, and other open-source hardware Participants: All on this list Venue:Howzzat: The micro-brewry pub in Gurgaon. Galaxy Mall, behind the 32nd Milestone place. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.4629lon=77.0489zoom=16layers=B000FTF Contact: Me (9868527992) Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Meetup of people interested in the OpenMoko, and other open hardware
Hi, Below is a copy of the message sent to local LUG lists in Delhi, India. We are having a meeting of people interested in the OpenMoko, and in other hardware, as per the details below. All are welcome to participate. Regards, Gora Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:58:02 +0530 From: Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net To: ILUGD main list il...@lists.linux-delhi.org Cc: General Freed list fr...@lists.linux-delhi.org, Free/Libre and Open Source Software Project List p...@sarai.net Subject: Meetup of people interested in the OpenMoko, and other open hardware Hi, Some people interested in the OpenMoko are planning to meet up at the new micro-brewery in Gurgaon on the 31st of Jan., the Sat. after the coming one. Everyone is welcome to attend, especially people interested in other open-source hardware, or others looking to get involved. Please see details below: Event:OpenMoko enthusiasts meeting Date: Sat., Jan 31st Time: 6.30pm onwards Agenda: Get-together of people interested in the OpenMoko, and other open-source hardware Participants: All on this list Venue:Howzzat: The micro-brewry pub in Gurgaon. Galaxy Mall, behind the 32nd Milestone place. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.4629lon=77.0489zoom=16layers=B000FTF Contact: Me (9868527992) Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [no distro] What console s/w are linux people using to communicate with the Neo FR boot loader?
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:38:30 -0800 (PST) Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net wrote: john dowd wrote: I've been using minicom but its a disaster. Unless some has settings that they would like to share. [...] Search the wiki for a program called neocon, that seemed to work for me. [...] Haven't tried using serial terminal software with OpenMoko, but in general, have found cutecom to have a nice GUI interface. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Indian FR Owners
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:33:47 +0530 Vibhav Sharma khoonir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm sure there are about 100-200 of us (Indian FR Owners) out there. Atleast it appears so from what Rakshat of IDA systems tells us. [...] I'm in Gurgaon and would be happy to help organise one for NCR. Please reply of-list in case you are interested. [...] I have a Neo 1973, but not a FreeRunner. Will probably invest in the next version. A meeting of people in the NCR region would be good, and if needed, we can offer space for this either at Srijan Technologies in Nehru Place, or at Sarai, CSDS, in North Delhi (between ISBT, and Delhi University, and accessible by metro). Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number? (India users)
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:48:55 +0100 Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com wrote: Il 29/12/2008 13:45, Carl Lobo ha scritto: Try http://www.ashesh.net/blog/downloads/PDF/Mobile_Telephone_Number_Codes_India.pdf Seems to be accurate from first glance. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Michele Rendamichele.re...@gmail.com wrote: Hello to all Indian Openmoko Users, I am preparing the Indian dialplan: I have some (for you) stupid question: 1) All your mobile phone number usually start witt (092/093/092/097/098/099) so your international phone number start with (+9192 / +9193/ etc.) ? That is not a complete list. I know for sure that there are at least 94 numbers. 2) In the provided pdf file there are only mobile phone number. There are some city name. What it mean? Is the city where the sim is sold? :) Are you referring to the two-letter entries like MP, AS, etc.? These correspond roughly to states, not cities, and probably do refer to the state where the SIM was bought, which is usually well-correlated to the state that the user resides in. There is a table naming the states on page 4. I am also not sure how reliable these are. 3) In the same pdf I saw: RIM ‐ RELIANCE INDIA MOBILE (CDMA) CELLONE‐ BHARAT SANCHAR NIGAM LIMITED TATA INDICOM (CDMA) that seem to don't have any prefix. Is correct? [...] The above are telecom. operators, so presumably they have been allocated some prefixes that are either not tied to a locality, or have not yet been put into use. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian -FSO -GPS] No Fix
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:56:33 -0800 (PST) Fragggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so. cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron shows a 1 I have put the Freerunner next to a window over Night and logt the output of /dev/ttySAC1. After a few minutes I got Messages like this: $GPRMC,073904.00,A,5127.73160,N,00651.01957,E,0.229,279.62,201108,,,A*66 $GPVTG,279.62,T,,M,0.229,N,0.424,K,A*3E [...] but still no fix this morning. [...] I am not sure that I follow. The 'A' in the third field above indicates valid autonomous GPRMC data, i.e., you do have a fix. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS sensitivity
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:30:22 +0530 Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I recently tested the performance of a Nokia E71 with the FR, while standing 2 feet from a window inside my office building. [...] Um, does the Nokia E71 have assisted GPS (AGPS), as I rather suspect it does? If so, you are comparing apples and oranges. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS sensitivity
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:09:34 +0100 Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My brother has Nokia N95 and it has about the same performance as my Neo. No fix inside, around 40 seconds fix outside. Again, I must ask. Is AGPS enabled on the Nokia N95? That needs to be specifically turned on, and a network connection available. I only had the chance to play with a Nokia N95 for a few hours, but with AGPS on, I got a sync indoors (well, not too far from a window, but in an urban canyon with very poor line of sight) within 30s. Most GPS receivers I have tried there have not found a sync. So it's not worse than others. [...] Much as we all love OpenMoko, I find it hard to believe that a device with AGPS has comparable or worse performance than one without it. There are certainly many things about the N95 that suck, but I sincerely doubt that it has worse GPS location capabilities. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS sensitivity
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:56:54 +0100 David Garabana Barro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I allways though Freerunner had AGPS. That's what wiki says: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#AGPS Isn't it true? [...] Yes, I believe that it does have AGPS capabilities. But AGPS needs someone sending out the AGPS data. I don't know that that is being done with OpenMoko. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS sensitivity
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:50:01 +0100 Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, I must ask. Is AGPS enabled on the Nokia N95? But when you want to compare N95 GPS with FreeRunner GPS, you must turn AGPS off in Nokia, or turn AGPS on in FreeRunner... [...] You are right. Sorry, I conflated two things in my various replies: (a) One is an apples-to-apples comparison: Turn off AGPS, and look at the capabilities of the internal GPS receivers. I hope to soon do a systematic study of the errors of various devices by sitting in the sun for a couple of hours. (b) Compare device to device (apples to oranges), by turning on the best capabilities of each. Here I believe that an AGPS device must perform as well, or typically better. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS sensitivity
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:04:55 +0100 Leonti Bielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are talking here about hardware GPS performance of Freerunner. So to compare two GPS devices they have to be in equal positions. [...] Yes, fair enough. You are right. Please see my earlier reply to Johny Tenfinger. However, for an end-user, the question becomes whether the device quote just works unquote. So, given that both the Neo 1973, and the Freerunner apparently have AGPS capabilities, I think that what needs to be figured out is how to send out AGPS data from community servers. Anyone with any thoughts on this? Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A mailing list for FLOSS-GPS community?
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:02:42 +0300 Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I suppose there are some tangogps/navit/other gps software users and developers here on this list who would be interested in getting together with the rest of the FLOSS GPS community see http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/a-mailing-list-for-the-floss-gps-community/ Much as I am a member of far too many mailing lists already, I think that this would be a good idea. As far as hosting goes, how about a Google or Yahoo group? If people do not like that idea, it might be possible for us at Sarai to provide hosting. Sarai is a FLOSS organisation from India, and to get an idea of the lists that we host currently, please see http://www.sarai.net/mailing-lists/ Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GNOME running on Freerunner
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:57:43 +0530 sparky mat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I managed to get the whole of GNOME running on Freerunner (using the Debian installer - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner ) [...] Cool! I do not yet have a Freerunner, but would love to know that Pango also works, i.e., that GNOME also renders Indian-language text correctly. Would it be possible for you to cut-and-paste the line of Hindi text below into gedit on the Freerunner, and take a screenshot. It would be much appreciated. नमस्ते Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GNOME running on Freerunner
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:56:29 +0800 xiangfu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] if the Freerunner have indian fonts file i think it is can display Hindi text. [...] Yeah, sorry. Forgot about that. A Hindi font is included in the ttf-indic fonts package on Debian, and a list of open-source Hindi fonts is at http://www.indlinux.org/wiki/index.php/IndicFontsList#Devanagari I am also pretty sure that if Pango is working, Indian-language text should render properly on the Freerunner. However, I would love to have a screen shot confirming that. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GNOME running on Freerunner
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:21:24 +0530 Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki//index.php/Debian_on_FreeRunner#Indian_localization [...] Cool. Thank you. I am going to publicise that page. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Special Letters?
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:40:11 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:18:37 +0200 Ole Holm Frandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Sounds great that it will be possible to create better support for Danish and other non-english languages. Does anyone know when the SVN build might become stabile? But there is no way at the moment du fix this issue? [...] nb - for asian languages (traditional or simplified chinese by zuhin or pinyin, you will need ALSO an input method handler like uim, scim, kinput etc. etc.). [...] This sounds great. What is the level of OpenType support? Are complex text layout (CTL) languages like Indian languages, and Thai supported? Is this true of just the FreeRunner, or also of the Neo 1973? Input methods can be handled. Even xkb can be coerced into providing basic support for most non-English languages. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Special Letters?
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:31:48 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:48:43 +0530 Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: [...] This sounds great. What is the level of OpenType support? Are complex text layout (CTL) languages like Indian languages, and Thai supported? Is this true of just the FreeRunner, or also of the Neo 1973? i cant speak for gtk and qt - for EFL, it uses freetype and fontconfig (optional). it treats text as a string going from left to right with chars that advance to the right. [...] Ah, in that case it probably will not work for CTL languages, as they need various operations like glyph reordering, substitution, etc. On normal computers, GTK uses Pango to handle such scripts, but my guess is that Pango will be too heavy for the current hardware. I will have to try all this out once I get my (currently broken) Moko reflashed. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Special Letters?
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:01:24 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] this is why EFL doesn't have support. i'd have to write it all, OR use pango... and pango, last i looked, was not light on overhead, Agreed there. Have not actually benchmarked Pango myself, but by all accounts it is resource-hungry, though that is probably not inappropriate for a library aiming to handle all of Unicode. so as a matter of performance doing it the simple way its done now handles things for most people (who buy/use devices or linux systems as most people tend to speak a left-to-right friendly language). i have seen remarkably little interest in things like left-to-right languages over the years, and as there isn't a lot of demand and i don't actually speak any of these (i just speak european languages - a few of them, and east-asian languages), i just have never had it come up high enough on the list of things to do.. to ever do it. at least all the text internals are utf8 so... it's possible to do this without breakages... I would disagree here, though I can quite see why you might not want to take this up. Having OpenMoko hardware handle Indic text would be a big plus for its adoption here in India. An ability to send SMS in local languages would be even more of a plus, though that will also have to contend with service provider gateways that have no clue about UTF-8 or Unicode. Given the current hardware limitations, the best approach for Indic languages is probably to make a special font that includes all possible glyph combinations, and a light-weight, custom rendering engine that works with the font. This would also have the benefit of allowing the rendering of Indic content on text-based terminals, such as the Linux console. This is not really *that* hard a task, and from what I hear various phone companies are sniffing around in India for someone able to put this together. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Special Letters?
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:21:44 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:51:09 +0530 Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:01:24 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] this is why EFL doesn't have support. i'd have to write it all, OR use pango... and pango, last i looked, was not light on overhead, Agreed there. Have not actually benchmarked Pango myself, but by all accounts it is resource-hungry, though that is probably not inappropriate for a library aiming to handle all of Unicode. in all reality though - it's probably the ultimate way to go... or something of the kind... Hmm, maybe it is worth thinking about stripping out the portions of ICU/Pango that apply to scripts from particular regions, and making region-specific packages of these. [...] oooh - i was just talking about utf8 being how the code all deals with text. you have a lot fo glyph space available, so it's not limited. foo COURSE you will need to translate to other charsets when dealing with things like SMS, email etc. [...] then you still need a converter tat converts series of chars into special utf8-encoded glyphs to represent this font... not pretty... but of course possible. [...] Yes, you are right about the need for converters, and the need for special fonts, but I believe that this is the only way to get support for complex scripts on text-based terminals. This will need to be done at some point for the Linux console, as I doubt that they are ever going to roll support for complex text handling into the console drivers. For now, on the OpenMoko hardware, maybe a stripped-down ICU/Pango is the best solution. Let me think about this. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let us impact the material world
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:56:58 -0400 Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Think: The collapse of so many hi tech companies on our stock exchanges has humbled many. Creators within the digital world -- no matter how novel and exciting -- will have no value unless they impact the material world directly. So this is my call to all of us today. Our work must begin to impact the material world. We have the tools. We have the knowledge. We must use our knowledge to transcend the digital world. [...] Coming into this thread late, as I was travelling. Firstly, thank you for a nicely-written, and passionate posting. I am a little curious, though, what exactly do you mean by the material world? From part of your message (the reference to companies collapsing on stock exchanges), this seems to be largely a definition based on financial health, though the rest of your message seems to indicate otherwise. I am also of the view that FOSS developers need to get out of the software ghetto, and take a larger view of the world, and the possible impact on the world of the software, and hardware that we jointly produce. In my opinion, FOSS has managed to overturn traditional thinking in the world of software because it was not considered a significant-enough threat to entrenched interests till it was too late. We have the possibility of making such efforts count in ways which really make a difference to people in the world, but that work will be much harder, both because of more external opposition, and because of our own failure to visualise and cater to real needs. Hardly a day goes by for me without thinking about this elegant idea. The smart phone has become too complex. Our challenge is to make it simple and wise. Yes I am well aware of the distance between us and this goal. The complexity of our system pains me as much as I'm sure it pains you. But starting today, I hope we can become more conscious and more focused on simplicity and wisdom. [...] (I will take the liberty of snipping your well-reasoned points---which are already being followed-up to, in order to add a perspective of my own, which comes from living in India, and working on localisation efforts in Indian languages.) As many of you might be aware, mobile phones are a huge success story in India. Currently, India has the fastest-growing population of mobile users, and it is likely to remain that way for a while, as the per-capita usage is well behind even countries like China. This revolution is happening not only among the rich, as poorer sections of the society have been among the first to appreciate the cost/benefit ratio of a mobile phone. I have personally seen rickshaw pullers using mobiles. To my mind, a killer application on mobiles in India will be support for Indian languages on the hardware, in a manner transparent to end-users. The cost of an OpenMoko phone will also need to come down significantly, but that can come from sheer economy of scale. I would like to know about people working on such efforts in an open-source environment. There are various people (e.g., Nokia) trying to do such things, but as Sean points out, we can do it better. Such work will also have implications for console-mode support for Indian languages in free operating systems like Linux, which can again be a big win for FOSS penetration in India. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Tower Location and GPS
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:40:25 +0100 john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have discussed doing this kind of thing in IRC a few times. I think It would be good if somebody setup a project on projects.openmoko.org. I have signed up on http://projects.openmoko.org (did not know about that site earlier) and after checking to see that there were no other projects along this line, I have registered one called rocinante. I would also be happy to contribute some code. I have written a bluetooth logger which periodically writes to an sqlite database. The code is on the projects site [1]. That could easily be modified/enhanced to write other data such as cell id etc. [1] http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmcvs/cvsweb.php/thumbtribes_project/tools/btlogger/?cvsroot=thumbtribes [...] Thanks. It will be after the first week of July before I can actually get working on this project, so other comments are appreciated. Regards, Gora P.S. Rocinante is, of course, the horse of Don Quixote, someone whom I have always admired. So, think of this project as a vehicle to go around tilting at towers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patent threat to OpenMoko devices?
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:12:36 +0200 Daniel Mewes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Typhoon Touch Technologies has initiated legal measures against different companies with reasonings including - but not limited to - producing touch screen driven smartphones, as far as I understand it. Those devices are claimed to infringe two patents. [...] http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=5379057.PN.OS=PN/5379057RS=PN/5379057 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=5675362.PN.OS=PN/5675362RS=PN/5675362 [...] Not to distract from the potential threat of the situation (though, even that is over-rated, as even the US Supreme Court seems to have woken up to the issues with patents), but, wow, two, count them, *two*, patents that by my count differ in wording by exactly one comma, two hyphens, and replacing utility with executor. I am going to start using these as my example of how the US patent system, and by extension, WIPO, is out of control. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Tower Location and GPS
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:57:28 +1200 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Here's another idea: Record signal strength and position information for generating a coverage map. We can record tower code, signal strength, and phone location. This information could be used with the Open Street Map data to generate a real-world coverage map. This could also be useful during an emergency in a remote area. Instead of just knowing where the towers are I could look at the coverage map generated from other users. What do you folks think? great idea some work has already started on a tagging scheme for this, have a look on the osm wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Communications_tower so there are others with the same idea [...] We were kicking around this idea for a while. There are some problems that we faced with this when trying to build a generic application: (a) Many (most?) phones do not give a J2ME programmer easy access to GSM data (cell ID, LAC, signal strength, etc.) for all visible towers, though these data can be obtained through serial AT commands, (b) It is much easier to get GPS data, say from an external bluetooth GPS device into a J2ME application running on a phone (requires JSR179) None of these apply to OpenMoko, so I can easily envisage an application that maps cell towers by sending GPS + GSM data to a central server over GPRS, or SMS, or storing these data, and syncing it once in a while. If there is interest in this, we would be glad to collaborate on a solution. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mobile gps gaming
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:43:52 +1200 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i just listened to an interesting piece on the bbc about gps gaming on mobile phones: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/digital_planet.shtml at 15:40 onwards talking about a company in england that is developing innovative games based around gps-equipped phones. [...] Interesting. The other obvious game for a GPS-enabled phone is a treasure hunt including geographical clues. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cooperative Differential GPS
(Please note that I am copying this message to the OpenStreetMap folk: http://openstreetmap.org as we will hopefully find more GPS/mapping experts there. Please edit the list of recipients if you need to.) On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:24:56 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! After hours of searching the web for information about the new Antaris GPS chip I am still not sure if it will be possible to use the raw data output of the ATR0635 (message type RXM-RAW) on the Neo FreeRunner. This message should, according to the protocol specification [1], contain information about the per-satellite errors necessary to build something like a cooperative differential GPS [2]. Such an application could - in theory - greatly improve the accuracy of the Neo-GPS and therefore open it up to a whole new range of use-cases. [...] Thanks for bringing this up, as this is is a topic that I am very much interested in. We are just starting to explore this area, but the AGPS capabilities of the Neo 1973 was one reason that we went ahead and bought this. However, I do not know what AGPS support means in real terms. My naive understanding of this is that a cooperative differential GPS needs no external support. One just sits at a base station, and averages GPS readings until one knows the position of the base station to an arbitrary level of accuracy. After that, the reception of realtime GPS signals at the base station provides information about random errors, which I understand are largely due to atmospheric fluctuations. Corrections for these are derived from the difference between the well-known actual position of the base station, and the received realtime position. These can be broadcast through various means, e.g., an Internet DGPS server, and should be good for a few hundred km around the base station. The cooperative aspect of this comes in because of the benefits of multiple base stations. I would love to be corrected on the above by someone who knows better, as this is little more than a surmise on how DGPS should work. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warning. Don't remove battery with usb power
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:47:40 +0100 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a reminder to everyone *NOT* to pull out the battery while the neo has USB power. i did this. i had to get a new neo: my first one got *fried* from this. dunno what to do with the old one, frankly it bothers me having it sit there doing nothing. anyone got any suggestions? [...] Yes, send it to me. I wish that you had made this offer before we went and bought one. Regards, Gora ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:17:42 +0100 (CET) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] 22. Digital level Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to develop such a freaking geek widget? I could be a funny exercice to play with the accelerometers. [...] The Neo 1973 does not have accelerometers, does it? The above would tickle my geek bone enough to do it if the Neo 1973 had accelerometers. I have an old Simputer that does have accelerometers, and has a great game which is a computer analogue of a child's handheld game. The real-life game is usually made out of cheap plastic, and has a series of concentric circular ridges with offset openings. A set of (usually) three ball bearings can be rolled around along the ridges. The objective of the game is to get all three bearings into the inner most circle. See http://brainchunk.blogspot.com/2007/11/n95-application-wishlist-golgoli-game.html for a picture of the game. Regards, Gora ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yet Another Map Application
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:30:54 +0100 Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I am happy to announce the shiny new release of Yet Another Map Application - Yama in short :-). [...] Looks cool. Have to try it out. Not sure if you are aware of this, but Yama is the Hindu god of death! Regards, Gora ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
