The jffs filesystem used on the NAND is compressing, which is great for
our use case. For the SD that would also be very desirable (especially
with the provided 512MB µSD), but it seems that ext3 is the filesystem
of choice there. Has someone tried to use a compressing filesystem
there?
How do people edit text files on their FreeRunner (other than via an
SSH-over-USB connection)?
`sed' seems to be about as good as I can get, since `vi' requires the
ESC key to do anything useful, but the keyboard doesn't seem to provide
any way to enter it (but even if it did, motion with hjkl is
I use Raster's Illume keyboard, and select the Terminal layout, and most of
I guess it's the part that I don't get. What means Raster's Illume
keyboard and how do I select another keyboard?
I've read the Wiki about it, but I must be too dense to understand it;
it always seems to refer to a
Check out nano.
Has anyone compiled Emacs for the Om2008.9 distribution?
Or maybe Zile?
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opkg install illume-config illume-config-illume
Should net you the 'qwerty' icon on the left in the Top Shelf. When
selected it will open Raster's Illume keyboard. (which should be the
default keyboard at this point, though you may need to restart - at least
xserver-nodm - and it WILL
Nishit == Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Back up the 89qtopia before
updating wholesale, and replace it when the
keyboards fail. Less pain, more gain.
I have no idea what you're talking about. What wholesale update are
you referring to? What failure of keyboards? What do you gain?
Could
I'm having trouble getting wifi to work:
I have created a wpa_supplicant.conf file (copied from some other
machine), and have added wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
to /etc/network/interfaces.
Then `ifup eth0' sometimes works, but usually only right after boot.
The problem seems to be different
To answer the other part of the question, I think this is started by
connman which is used by the settings GUI to control the network
interfaces. Connman aims to be a lightweight version of NetworkManager
but is currently rather incomplete.
Thanks. Is there some way to tell connman to use
What I meant was that after you install illume-config-illume and set up the
new keyboards [1], you should back up your 89qtopia file from
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/
I lost you already: my initial Om2008.9 install already included
illume-config-illume. To install the Raster keyboard, all I had to do
And still you can't assume consumption will be constant on
a sub-second time scale... It would be more user friendly to report
a remaining time based on an average consumption.
Any time estimation should actually be done in userland anyway.
Stefan
The web site www.openmoko.com didn't help me figure out who
is Openmoko. I'm mostly interested to find out how it is financed (I
doubt the sales of FreeRunners cover the development costs), actually.
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Is there any support for UMA on OpenMoko phones?
If not, is thre any hope to see it in the future?
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Suspend is quite good at the moment, but when the display is 'blanked'
and the system is not in suspend, maybe pressing the 'power' button
could wake up the screen instead. Now it wakes up and immediately
suspends.
100% agreement. The suspend on power button is completely useless
for me.
Ever since I started to connect my FR to my desktop computer and set up
USB-networking, I'm noticing that I regularly get spurious middle clicks
(and/or right clicks), as if some spurious USB messages were sent from
my FR that looked like messages coming from my mouse (or touchpad, or
trackpoint,
Perhaps another idea to lighten the core developers' load...
Invest a little time (a day or so?) to properly set up a VMWare image
that can be downloaded by developers that want to help in any way.
I'd much rather that the various parts of the system can be built by
using tools available in
Anyone compiled and running subversion server or even just a client on
their Freerunners yet?
If you use the Debian distribution, then yes, and you can install it
with just apt-get install subversion.
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When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
to first get the
I love my FR's screen. 280dpi in full color is just awesome.
But there's a problem: X11 applications choose their font sizes either
as a predefined number of pixels or a predefined number of points.
The first leads to very small text when you have a 280dpi screen.
The second leads to very large
Of course and I was not expecting the man pages installed on the FR.
If you use the Debian distribution, manpages are installed just as on
any other Debian system.
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The Debian distribution doesn't seem to do auto-suspend: you have to
explicily ask for it before your FR suspends. At first I thought it
would be OK, but in practice it doesn work: the device will wake up on
too many occasions (e.g. when receiving a phone call) and won't
automatically fall back
When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
to first get
There is no way if the screen is already rotated. (read: I don't find a way
to figure out when the screen is already rotated). Please email me, if you
find one and I will directly adept it to the package.
In my tests, I noticed that the output of `xrandr' moves the little star
when I switch
The more I look at it, the more I think there's more to it
than rotation. How about a tool that considers orientation as an input
event? E.g. I'd love to be able to say if upside down, lock the
screen, and if still upside down after 5s, suspend.
Stefan
When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around
3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, and now I wonder: what do people do
with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use
their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use?
Stefan
Still people seem quite happy to pay for text messages. Work out the
cost per kB on those ;-)
That's what I meant by what tools do they use.
I guess you can try and use some kind of POP setup so you can download
your emails (with extra help to skip attachments or large emails): that
could
First things first. Hi. I've been rading this list for a loong time, so i
thought it was time to join in.
I'm just wondering. Where do i change the layout for my usb hardware
keyboard. My Freerunner is in usb host mode and everything is working fine,
exept that i'm used to the dworak layout.
Jeremy is working together with kernel guy (aka Matt Hsu) to look into
the possible improvement, namely take a screenshot and show it first
during resume. It's a common technique in mobile phone.
The issue is not to make resume appear faster, but rather to make resume
fast enough that you
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
Mostly touchscreen with a slide out keyboard sounds good.
Also the touchscreen would be well served by a couple extra buttons.
On power drawing from an USB hub in a keyboard, I have the following
question. Is it possible to connect at the same time:
- USB power charger or network over USB with your desktop/laptop (does
this also charge a little bit the Neo?)
- external USB keyboard
- perhaps one other USB device
important than the 'click' feeling. A key has edges, and the feel of the
key under your finger means you don't have to be looking at the keyboard
to be able to type. Again, a soft keyboard can never achieve this.
How about having the keyboard on one side and the screen on the other?
Since
The FR is the first device I use with a GPS, so I don't know what's
considered as normal w.r.t GPS function. I find that my FR's GPS
never works inside a building (e.g. at home), and even outside in the
streets of Montreal, it seems to only be able to get a first fix if I'm
in a somewhat open
A lot of WIFI networks uses web based authentication - network is open, you
connect to it, but in order to actually use internet you have to provide
some login and password.
How do you deal with that?
I have a problem with all browsers:
Minimo - it loads login page allright, than asks to
Network that i and well , my FR are in are very different , some of them
do ran DHCP and most of them not , how can i assign static ip address to
static essids ?
I'm asking that too, can it be done in /etc/network/interfaces?
You can do it with wpa-supplicant. The way to use it is described
agps-onlinec -c full -u [EMAIL PROTECTED] -k Fvhcv -la 35.22 -lo -79.46 -al
250 -p 100.00
[...]
provided the location data prefed to agps-onlinec and the current time
(system clock) are accurate enough. (clock doesn't need to be
second-precise, but if it's off several hours or more then
The next think I want to try is using GPS on my FR with Om2008.9.
I've never used GPS before and so I'm a bit lost in how to do with FR
:-)
The desktop has an icon 'Locations' and by launching it it asks me if I
want to switch-o GPS, I press 'yes' and then nothing more happens, there
is only
As they stand, I don't believe the zhone startup files support user
customization. Such as (in my case) starting up fbpanel and
openmoko-panel-plugin. Of course, you can change conf files under
I don't know how it works in FSO, but in Debian, I just have
% cat ~/.xsessionrc
fbpanel
Is anybody aware of some 'magnifying glass' (in plastic perhaps) which
fits exactly in the rectangle of the touch screen of the FR and serves
to view better (bigger) for example if you use tangoGPS?
How 'bout a software one?
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options when you want to use your FR with GPS while driving a car, for
example;
Why not? What the difference between place the magnifying glass on the
device and enable the zoom function (or switch resolution)?
I've installed Audacious, Noatun, Sonata, and VLC. Audacious is the
only player I've been able to hear sound from, but it skips, and very
frequently! Noatun will not play my music, and Sonata won't add my
music to its library even though I redirect MPD's library path. VLC,
however, appears
Why not? What the difference between place the magnifying glass on the
device and enable the zoom function (or switch resolution)?
having the whole screen magnified or just a section.
Ofc the whole screen :-)
Unless the magnifying glass is larger than the screen, it can't magnify
the whole
something like:
trigger: orientationchange()
filters: HasAttr(orientation,facedown)
could be used to set 'donotdisturb', then filter Not(HasAttr) to
restore. For my personal use, I'd set it up to always lock the touchscreen
if vertically inverted. (when not in use, my FR is in my
IIUC it doesn't use X11. But can it run in one virtual console while
X11 runs in another?
Stefan
PS: Waiting for it to appear in Debian.
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not relevant because debian doesn't use xglamo. At the moment it uses
For some odd reason, the recommended install doesn't use it, but the
OpenMoko wiki does mention that it's a good idea to install it. I hope
Debian users all use xglamo, since it's smaller and more efficient.
Stefan
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Edit /etc/network/interfaces and add:
auto usb0
That's probably not right. You probably want to try allow-hotplug
ubs0 instead. auto means to do it at boot time and it may just fail
if (for some reason) the usb0 interface is not yet created.
This is not the way I wanna go.
I don't believe in forks, I believe in one strong community.
It's quite normal to have 2 branches: the community version and the
corporate version.
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after the confusion on the last few days now i am happy to announce a
new version of the openmoko-panel-plugin. the panel-plugin is a little
peace of software to show and modify you the state of the hardware in
you freerunner(i.e. gsm, gps ...). it should work with any gtk based
windowmanager
With Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 I've had 100% success on four or five different
systems with:
auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.201
netmask 255.255.255.252
post-up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.202
post-up iptables -I PREROUTING -i
Is there somewhere a user guide to use Om applications under Debian?
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- The GPS off icon doesn't use the read slashed circle contrary to
all others.
i just had no good ideas for new icons for the others yet ..
You mean you want to get rid of the red slashed circle for the others
as well? I'm surprised: I thought it was a good idea. Of course, in
some cases a
Is there somewhere a user guide to use Om applications under Debian?
You can just extract the opkg files and copy the content to the required
directories. To extract a *.ipk file just do ar x filename.ipk and you
got a data archive with the content of the ipg file. Extract this and
copy the
Is there a problem if i flash my neo too many times? because i have done
around 20 times in a week time..
Be careful: at this rhythm, your flash will only last ... another 1000
weeks (or maybe 1 if you're lucky).
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The correct solution is to decide that dpi means pixels per
apparent inch. Because we look at the FR from much closer than we
do a desktop screen, the dpi that we set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
should be somewhat less than the physical pixels per inch.
I estimate that I see a desktop screen
i don't know if this topic was already a discussion, but i think, if
openmoko could change to axfs, i belive, it's a great performance-step.
Problems with it:
- axfs is read-only, so you'd need to use a setup similar to OpenWRT
with a axfs filesystem containing the base system plus a jffs2
And I'm not sure that multi touch is really so important and the low res
I do not know if it's important, but being restricted to events of the
form mouse-1-down, mouse-1-up, and mouse-move is problematic in
my experience.
So if we can't have multi-touch sensitivity, we need some other source
Me too, high-res is all good.. But high-res does NOT preclude the use of
Actually, the high-res is one of the highlights of the FR for me. So,
while I don't need 280dpi, I wouldn't settle for less than 200dpi for
a gadget I hold so close to my eyes.
Stefan
You can of course install Debian stable on your FreeRunner, but it won’t
contain any OpenMoko-specific software.
I'm running fso-pkg (unstable) alongside plain Debian testing.
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deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main
deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian sid main
More like
deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
Stefan
[1] - which is ironic given that they were invented to encourage people to
publish their ideas rather than keep them secret.
Actually, not so ironic: it basically means that rather than keeping
them as internal secrets, they get to lock them in
a government-provided vault.
IIRC, the history
It looks now like that:
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
# freerunner
auto usb0
allow-hotplug usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.200
netmask 255.255.255.192
post-up /etc/network/freerunner start
pre-down /etc/network/freerunner stop
You should only use auto usb0 or
I need to check how much mA does it takes, any ideas how can I do that?
cat /proc/bus/usb/devices should give you that info.
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1) Improved responsiveness, especially with regard to starting the
next song in a play list.
2) Lowered processing overhead during main update loop.
3) Tweaked the GUI. Most notably, the buttons are larger.
4) Read ID3 tag info at play list load time using python ID3 library.
5) Optionally
Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less
susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left
I'd stay away from FAT: its simplicity makes it less susceptible to
software bugs, maybe, but still susceptible to corruption.
The general
I am still in the process of making changes, but I have some packages
if anyone wants to try it. This version has the option of using a
gstreamer back-end (the default with the packaged config file) instead
of mplayer. By using gstreamer, CPU and memory load have been reduced,
and I was able
2) I would have liked to use mpd, but I have never been able to find a
package for it for arm. It is not feasible to stream from a server,
since I listen to music in my car.
Hmm I'm under Debian where I just apt-get install mpd.
But `mpd' is packaged for OpenWRT and AFAIK there's also one
In my experience, MPD is a pain to set up.
Hmm... that's probably something we can improve.
I had no trouble with it but then it wasn't the first time I set it
up: could you give us some hint what was difficult?
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Ahh, just when I want a media player, the last thing I usually want to do is
edit conf files.
The only thing that should need specifying in this file should be the
directory where the songs are kept. What else did you have to edit?
Then, I had to find a client, and perhaps I got a bad one (I
done on the FR. Therefore, I'll edit the page with opinions are
divided regarding reliability and no objective comparisons yet for
other criteria.
It'd be much easier to just punt on the whole issue and say same rules
apply as for any other Linux system.
Stefan
Before, mplayer took 40%-50% of cpu according to top.
Now, pythm-bin uses 48%-49% instead. This when playing stereo .ogg
Still sounds much too high. Even my home router (266MHz MIPS) decodes
.ogg with less than 30% of CPU. Usind `mpd', my FR shows significantly
less than 20% CPU decoding
files. All that was required was a frontend for it! I know pythm is just
that, but my Neo uses more than 30% CPU with it. It could be a minor bug -
I'll just remind people here that pythm also works with MPD. If you use
the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the same as what
you
But where do we get this almanac data? Can we redistribute what
u-box.com sends us?
AFAIK, the almanac data that framworkd saves from the GPS can come from
u-blox but can also come directly from the GPS satellites. So we could
try to setup some kind of peer-to-peer distribution of the data
If you use the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the
same as what you see with your mplayer+intone). The other advantage
of MPD is that you can control it from anywhere .
Sure. :-) I haven't used MPD. But I'm more looking at using the phone as a
standalone music player
I installed kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (.28 kernel from Debian
repo)
how did you get it?
apt-get dist-upgrade does not list another kernel (but 2.6.24).
AFAIK the two kernels are in different packages, not in different
versions of the same package. And I haven't found a virtual
Well, I'm actually looking at taking it further - apart from being a
frontend to mplayer. I'm also looking at playing ogg through tremor and
trying out mpg123 to see if that is any better. Though, I intend stopping
after these two codecs - since most audio IMHO is likely to be in these
I just got my new FR fone as a part of my university research program
and tried installing apache2 but it does not install.It returns error
status 2.
Can you guys suggest how i can go ahead. I am using OM 2008.12. I tried
opkg install apache2
FWIW, maybe you'd be better served by
Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken.
It doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even
trying. I have no idea where to look to diagnose this...
Try the MPD backend. For me, it works without hassle.
Stefan apt-get install mpd
FYI, there is a new version of pythm available on opkg.org
I only miss one little thing
When you add an entire directory to playlist, tracks are alphabetically
ordered, but, if exists, they should be ordered by track # (from ID3 or ogg
tags).
This turns out to be a tricky problem.
I have
I think it's a problem of horsepower.
I don't.
If you can, as modern players do, read all id3 info of all tracks,
and process it on a relational database, you can perfectly sort all
your songs by author/album/year/genre/what you want ;)
Actually, if you only use ID3 info, it's very
Actually, if you only use ID3 info, it's very difficult to do a good job
of sorting files: it's basically impossible to reliably figure out which
songs are part of the same album and which aren't. You can use
I've solved all those problems the first times I opened amarok, and
now it's a
Except that those ID3 tags have a clear meaning, and fixing them to
get the sorting to work may imply breaking them in the sense that the
info they carry is not quite correct any more.
Tho, I guess it depends on the details: in which way did you change the
ID3 info to solve such problems?
Your mentioned 50mA for the AUX LED is ridiculous.
It is. Sadly it's also true.
And when you are on battery the AUX led is off by default and even if it
blinks (like i modified my led behaviour) it isn't really much it uses.
Indeed, it's not lit very often... I'll let you guess why that is.
I have suggested a refinement on the second approach: short the small
capacitors. Add big caps outside the shielded unit - there are places
with room. But don't put wires from the caps into the shielded
unit. Connect them to the headset plug instead, and break the plug's
normal connection
| I'd love to see a good answer to those questions. Currently, it's
| unusable as an MP3 player and that's an important use for me (if
| I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much more
| often, which would in turn increase my use of it).
Lifting the can and meddling with
I have been able to extract some packages by using tar -zxvf after
renaming the extension to tar.gz - though I cant with all packages (and
I dont know why).
Try it with `file': it will usually tell you what kind of file you're
looking at. `ipkg' packages have used various formats over time,
AFAIK file should return you a 'debian binary' file format for ipk
packages now.
Duh, it does now indeed. I can see why it can be useful, but for it
would also sometimes be useful to know that it's a subtype of `ar'.
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Rask == Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk writes:
When installing opk/ipk packages from e.g. http://www.opkg.org/, there
will be problems with unmet dependencies because Debian uses other
package names for some of the packages providing the dependencies. I've
created a few small
When installing opk/ipk packages from e.g. http://www.opkg.org/, there
will be problems with unmet dependencies because Debian uses other
package names for some of the packages providing the dependencies. I've
created a few small packages which create a mapping of the package names so
tricks
Nice it would be grat in future if we (debian users) could just add opkg
repos as deb ones... maybe with different priority... it may be difficult
and risky, but indeed useful!
Wouldn't it be much easier to just create real debian packages?
Well, since [io]pkgs can be found in all kinds of
As a matter of fact, I'm convinced donations to Free Software, through
Foundations, could be one of the best approaches to support FS
development, if governments had laws allowing donations to be somehow
deductible to taxes. But I have yet to see the FSF, FSFE, ONU, etc, to
lobby for this
FWIW, there's another source of info that might be used: jitter.
When you have two fingers pressed, not only the reported position is
more-or-less the middle point, but it's also jittery.
So you could detect such jitter as a tell-tale of multitouch and then
use the jitter itself (orientation and
Cellhunter tries to read out your $HOME variable. when NOT set it goes
to /home/root (line 536)
that seems to be a very strange fallback
- where is root's home below /home/? so far i've seen it in oe only
- why is the user root assumed?
a sane fallback would be /tmp, which usually exists
Unfortunately, the jitter has many interpretations.
* The user is moving the fingers apart
* The user is moving the fingers together
* The user holds the finger still, but pressure varies
I think the jitter you should see with multitouch should be quite
different from finger moves: much
No, a sane fallback would be to signal an error and exit.
that's no fallback -- that's an exit strategy.
For a problem detected at startup, it's much better than
a bogus fallback.
After all, a missing HOME envvar, or a $HOME that points to a missing
directory is the result of a misconfiguration
I want to configure neo as a bluetooth headset for my linux PC SIP client so
that i can receive my VOIP calls on my neo speakers and i can talk with my
neo microphone!
Interesting. I wonder, tho: why do you prefer such a setup over
one where the FR itself runs the VOIP program?
i have uploaded the debian based rootfs here [1]. All the patches
to QTE Improved GIT were sent on this list yesterday.
Nice. The next step is to package QtE so it can be installed via
apt-get.
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Yes, i was thinking exactly the same. There are some things that
have to be solved cleanly before this can be done. E.g. the udev
rule for GSM modem. I have described it in my howto.
The udev rule seems easy to fix: rather than put it in
/media/card/etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules, put it in a
He also explains what it would take to put 3G in the phones, saying
that they'd do it (but the 3G part would be closed) if a customer put
in a large enough order (ie 50,000 units).
You've just convinced me that, unless this changes, no OpenMoko with 3G
will get my money as far as I'm
Regardless of what you produce as Plan B, even if it's a hair
didn't you mean: especially
straightener, I'll buy one. ;-)
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Yeah, I get that much, but what do I put into it? :P
google swap /etc/fstab should give you the necessary info.
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From what I understand, mplayer can take over a full window given it's
id. I don't know how to make mplayer take over part of a window.
IIUC the window id passed to mplayer does not have to be
a top-level window.
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It'd also be nice to have an option for automatically zooming out.
That is, if I have a bunch of tiles at zoom 15 (downloaded using
tangogps perhaps) then I want the zoom 14 tiles covering the same area,
as well as the zoom 13 tiles, and so on all the way up to the top.
Of course, the
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