Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up running again
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Hi! OM isn't working on the software for our phones any more and it looks like that also the releasing of Community Updates (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates) has stopped Hooray! It's less than a year sine the FR commercial release and it's already abandonware! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/YOUR-action-is-needed-to-get-the-Community-Updates-up---running-again-tp3115540p3120549.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: in fact there is a lot of closed linux devices out there , for example routers,motorola phones, ebook reader... and those doesn't mean Linux is closed, It only means that if they don't publish the code, and that's usual, they are violating the GPL. http://gpl-violations.org/ Not necessarily. They don't have to provide any mechanism to re-flash the device, then the linux based device is just as closed, even when they publish the source. GPL does not protect against this (v3 might, not sure). Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: The problem with Android is not the license of the OS, but the ecosystem around it. Closed hardware, DRMd content (applications, music), the restrictions imposed on the OS by cell companies... it's a nightmare, and the freedom of the user doesn't even appear in the horizon. It's BSD style FOSS. Anyone can do what they like with it. The fact that others can close their versions doesn't detract from that. If you want to argue that it loses flexibility as a platfor, when you're using a self- or community-compiled version, then sure. Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: I have strong feelings against Android, for the restrictions around it are very similar to those of the iPhone, though Apple doesn't try to disguise themselves as open source paladins. No, they really aren't. You can download and install stuff from outside the approved store on commercial android handsets and on free/open ones ones (Android on FR) you have full control, including the full source under APL2. You just try getting the source from Apple and running it somewhere else. Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: Android, as a platform (not an OS, not a device) is worst than closed, for it lures developers with the false concept of an open environment. Yes, just like the entire BSD operating system! It's a trap! *facepalm* Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: Yes, people could fork and create gAndroid but where would they run it? It's a wolf with a lamb skin, Why fork when you can port? There are several places doing just that and re-submitting upstream when they have good results. It's being ported to some nokia devices, netbooks, FR etc. And why is it a wolf in lambs skin? I mean, what the hell are you talking about at this point? Where would they run what? Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: And my last rant. Why did they create yet another isolated platform? For f*cks sake! It's not even standard java! At least Objective-C builds on top of C! Couldn't they create a set of libraries? Or use if they wanted portability use Python? Argh! My 2 cents Java is the most popular language on the planet right now, more people know it than know pretty much anything else going. Attracting developers is essential to the success of the platform. Why *not* use java? I use python myself, and I like it, but I don't see why choosing java was wrong. Frankly, I think you're nuts. A big corp puts a lot of work in and releases a whole new userspace environment targeted at MIDs, phones etc, under one of the least restrictive licenses out there, and you're calling it worse than closed source! You're weird! You instinctively decide to hate it due to some features you don't like (which are aimed at supporting proprietary apps, and you're free to disable in your version, or just not use those apps). There's nothing stopping people from releasing android apps as FOSS. personally I really like the idea of paying for apps from an app store if I choose to, or using/writing free ones if I don't. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-OT--Is-Android-really-free--%28was-Re%3A-root-almighty%29-tp2943035p2952092.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)
I should also add that at least in the short term I would expect that being able to run android applications on FR is going to give me a far wider choice of mobile-friendly software than any of the true linux distros available for FR. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-OT--Is-Android-really-free--%28was-Re%3A-root-almighty%29-tp2943035p2952101.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)
jldominguez wrote: Hello, is it true that Google can uninstall an app not approved by themselves (that is, an app not included in the 'Android Market')? I understand the app would be uninstalled when the user visits a Google shop or accesses a Google service? It's not true that any non-approved app would be uninstalled as soon as the user visits the market, that's a little bit too Apple-ish. The App store is not the only place that you can get software. However there does seem to be a kill switch that would enable google to disable specific applications. IMHO this is another good reason to run it on FR instead of G1 or other closed handset though, as this capability can be discovered and disabled in the source tree. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-OT--Is-Android-really-free--%28was-Re%3A-root-almighty%29-tp2943035p295.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)
GNUtoo wrote: There is something stopping people from contributing: make: *** No rule to make target `run-java-tool', needed by `out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/droiddoc_intermediates/javalib.jar'. Stop. what should I do? PS: I've some java warnings etc...I hope it's not the fault of icedtea/openjdk I'm not familiar with that particular situation, though someone on the just posted some generic build instructions, which might be useful so I'll repost it - Marcelo wrote: Go to: http://git.koolu.org/ Follow the instructions there to checkout the code. Go to http://trac.koolu.org/ and follow the rest of the instructions. Basically: $ mkdir -p ~/bin $ curl http://android.git.kernel.org/repo ~/bin/repo $ chmod a+x ~/bin/repo $ mkdir ~/mydroid $ cd ~/mydroid $ repo init -u git://git.koolu.org/freerunner/platform/manifest.git -b koolu-1.0 $ repo sync $ make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner replace koolu-1.0 by whatever branch you wish to work on (look at the git repo to find out which ones are available) Since you need that TARGET_PRODUCT variable always, I find it better to do this: $ cat buildspec.mk TARGET_PRODUCT := freerunner ^D $ make If you wish to switch a branch, do $ repo init -b new_branch $ repo sync (and likely rm -rf out) Marcelo -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-OT--Is-Android-really-free--%28was-Re%3A-root-almighty%29-tp2943035p2953292.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: root almighty
GNUtoo wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 21:56 +0100, Juergen Schinker wrote: About the android port of the openmoko: I heard There were several limitations such as: *all hardware not fully functional yet (wifi,calls,suspend etc...): Suspend is fine. Wifi is fantastic, so much better than any of the other distros have been. Calls work just fine. GPS and GPRS have worked brilliantly on some images. This all may have taken a few steps back lately with the concentration on moving to cupcake. I'm not sure how great the koolu beta 6 is, though progress is still being made. Michael Trimarchi at panicking.kicks-ass.org has made some great images (14.6 in particular worked very well and I was able to use the phone as a full GPS with AndNav for the first time). GNUtoo wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_usage *has problem with booting: you need SD+flash in order to run android maybe using a distro on sd and android on flash+another SD could do the trick? There is an sd-only setup method, koolu.com forums have more details. But yes, the usual setup is to have the OS flashed to NAND and then two partitions on the SD card. GNUtoo wrote: About the android OS: *Is the SDK free(as in freedom) software...I bet it isn't but I could be wrong...this could stop me from trying the android OS The entire OS is free. The kernel is linux and everything else is under the APL2, an FSF approved license. http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#apache2 GNUtoo wrote: *it could be difficult to run applications depending on glibc...I didn't test bionic(android libc) compatibility...in openembedded we also have others libc...such as uclibc Yes, android is very, very non standard. Whilst it is a Linux due to the kernel, it's cetainly not GNU/Linux as we know it. The userspace is restricted and weird. It's pretty much designed just to support the UI and the other java code. You certainly wouldn't be able to use Qt or GTK with android. This may well rule it out for a lot of people. For me, it's more important to have the freerunner as a working device that I can try to hack at later than as a full UNIX platform. The app store is also appealing, though I'm not sure it's available yet. GNUtoo wrote: *I don't know android build system...maybe porting the android OS to openembedded could be a good idea... Denis. That's not something I know a hell of a lot about. There is a build system (I think it just uses make) and a toolchain available. Again, check koolu if you're interested. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/root-almighty-tp2937829p2945347.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: root almighty
GNUtoo wrote: I've asked on IRC about android SDK and I was told that there were 2 versions: *a non-free version tight to that EULA: http://developer.android.com/sdk/terms.html *a free version compilable from source without google stuff(such as maps) I was told I had to gab source.android.com, type make and then make sdk so I think I'll try android...but I'll look first if it's tight to google services...(I'm already spied a lot using google search engine...I don't want to be spied more) Thanks a lot for all your responses. Denis. I didn't know there was still a proprietary version of the SDK, and that does suck a bit. The Android on Freerunner stuff builds the open bits. Google gears library is missing, I think only because nobody's ported it yet. That said, I had no problem hooking up the mail client to my SMTP server. No google account needed. On bluetooth - that's not perfect in android on FR by a long way. I could create a pairing with my BT headset, an the button on it worked for answering calls, but no audio was routed over it. To make a version for Neo Freerunner, you'll need to use the Koolu repository as well, to get the FR specific changes they're doing. I'm not saying it's going to be easy... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/root-almighty-tp2937829p2946726.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: root almighty
Max Suraev wrote: В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет: Maybe take a look at Android? That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some proprietary staff on my phone I would just buy some sort of chineese iphone :-) Thanks for suggestion anyway, Max. What's proprietary about android? You think the android folks are throwing hacked binaries around the place? Android is under the APL2, which has even less restriction than the GPL, The source is available to anyone. I don't really see what's proprietary about it. Check out koolu for their android source git, though the mainline source is available directly from google. Some of the android images have worked a hell of a lot more smoothly than anything that came out of OM, too. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/root-almighty-tp2937829p2939838.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: root almighty
rms wrote: The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones. The excuse of oh, its the phone maker/operator that does it is a mere smoke screen. DRM? They're just locked, you don't get root if you buy a G1 or other similar phone. I also don't see what's a smokescreen about the fact that operators won't sell an unlocked phone? It's just a fact, and that's why it's locked. I don't like it which is why I'm not advocating buying one. rms wrote: And no, an unbricked android phone does not count as Free Software since you're possibly breaking the law (in the US thanks to the DMCA, and in EU thanks to the EUCD). Who's talking about an unbricked anything? I'm talking about android on OM. rms wrote: You think the android folks are throwing hacked binaries around the place? No, just gladly providing the tools to remove our freedoms. You're an idiot. rms wrote: Android is under the APL2, which has even less restriction than the GPL, Only on a superficial level can that be true. It has less restrictions than the GPL because the later tries to make sure everyone has all the essencial freedoms. APL2 (and similar licenses) mean that somewhere along the line YOU may not have a Free Software phone on your hands, just another proprietary piece of crap. I'm sorry, I'm all for the GPL, but if I have the source (under APL2) for the OS I'm running on my openmoko, nobody can take that away and make it proprietary. You're just wrong. rms wrote: Yes, the OpenMoko is the first Free Software example of Android (and it's the worst out there for making calls on the FreeRunner, according to the comments I've seen). Rui Really? Best distro so far in my opinion. No need to drop to the command line for GPRS/WiFi. Stable, decent keyboard, smooth graphics, responsive. Compared to android most of the other stuff I've seen on the OM is crap. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/root-almighty-tp2937829p2940527.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Koolu.com?
Rene Horn wrote: Yeah, I already knew that. I'm just wondering if anyone knows what's happened? Did they lose the domain? whois records show Network Solutions as owning the domain. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/koolu.com Well that site says it's up, but I can't get at from home or work. Weird. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Koolu.com--tp2879580p2884877.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ain't it funny..
arne anka wrote: nope. he's just a troll. he's just saying what a lot of people are thinking I still hope to use my OM for *something*, but the chances of it ever being a reliable mobile phone are looking pretty slim. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Ain%27t-it-funny..-tp2791276p2833785.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: android-sd-card
i didn't found a terminal and i detect no ssh-daemon, so i couldn't connect directly to the phone. had someone a reason here? i just want to edit /etc/fstab There is no ssh daemon. Nor is there a /etc/fstab! If you have your SD card in two partitions, as is recommended for android, then the second partition is mounted as /data The first partition should be mounted as /sdcard and is used as the equivalent of the extrnal SD on the G1, where the phone looks for music and other stuff. in some of the images this mount fails due to /sdcard not existing. You'll need to get access using adb and then remount the root partition as rw, create the mount point and the reboot the phone, if this directory isn't there. Then the phone storage details in the settings should display both internal and sd card storage. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/android-sd-card-tp2543867p2545548.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the Basics plan: Andy left
You should have stopped here IMHO. It really is none of our (community's) business, and it would be a lot more productive to just focus on the question of where do we go from here? Hey, something being none of our business has never stopped a good rant before! Personally I'm beginning to feel like the only hope for getting a decent phone out of the FR is the independent work going on around android. Actually, beginning is a lie. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Back-to-the-Basics-plan%3A-Andy-left-tp2524593p2528090.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
scholbert wrote: joakim wrote: The selling point for me when buying the G1 is that I read that its possible to boot debian on it, just like the Freerunner. Unfortunately that's not quite true, at present. What people have done is to loop mount a canned debian filesystem and chroot to it, allowing you to use most of the debian userspace. At least one guy took it further and used unionfs to achieve a sort-of merged debian and android filesystem. As yet I'm unaware of debian actually being able to install/boot on G1. I looked into this as I was interested in a merged debian/android on FR, using android UI but with debian underneath. No joy yet. How bizarre, if you forget to login it posts as scholbert -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/HTC-Dream-Developer-Edition---T-Mobile-G1-tp2348982p2350151.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: London pub meet on the 11th
Bump. I'll be there between 6 and 6.30. And if the batteries on my eee hold out I'll be happy to shove a recent android build onto any unattended FRs :) gnublade wrote: Just pinging the list to say that we're on for the 11th (this Wednesday) at the Old Bank of England on Fleet Street from 7.30. http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/Old_Bank_of_England/Fleet_Street Invite any OM owners, potential owners and interested parties, hopefully we can get a good mix of distributions and share our tips, tricks and war stories. If you own an OpenMoko it goes without saying bring it with, even if it's a brick you never know somebody might be able to breath some life into it. Hope to see you there. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/London-pub-meet-on-the-11th-tp2255676p2307690.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: London pub meet on the 11th
Jan Henkins wrote: Hi, 7:30 is good, OBoE sounds splendid! See y'all there! First person to be there, please hog a nicely sized table, and display something vaguely Moko-ish/Linux-ish/Computer-ish (Linux Format mag or anything siilarly geeky) on the table for others to spot. It's a nice trick shown to me by some greybeards heavily into the online-community thing. 7.30 at OBoE it is then. I'll be bringing another FR owner I work with, and given we're close to the area we should be able to get there a bit ahead of time and try for a table. Signage is also good. I'll print something out. having said that, I've done this sort of thing once or twice before, and you'd be surprised how many people miss the signs but find the group anyway... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/London-pub-meet-on-the-11th-tp2255676p2263426.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list
Peter Nijs wrote: I'm almost sure someone suggested hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible Isn't it? You can get external USB gfx cards these days. Whether FR has the power to drive one, or if there are FOSS drivers, I have no idea. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/microsoft-patent-with-idea%27s-from-this-list-tp2263321p2263942.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: London pub meet on the 11th
Gothnet wrote: Hello all, So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub meet on the 11th? I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to work :) So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about the state of the world/phone? I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name kinda stuck. This plan does, of course, rely on the snow stopping at some point. It's years since I've seen this much snow. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/London-pub-meet-on-the-11th-tp2255676p2257359.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Sarton O'Brien wrote: There really are some moments I can't help but giggle about ... but that's me and I know I have a wierd sense of humour :) Well, there was that time in October (when I was in Australia for a month on holiday) and I had the FR with FDOM as my only phone. It woke up and rang twice, I answered, no sound. Unrecognised number, could be important so... I called them back, no sound. I rebooted the phone. Wouldn't register GSM for ages. They called back. i hit pick up too many times and the presses registered against the hang-up button when it appeared. This happened again. Then the battery started to go. After about two hours of trying to call them back, I eventually sent a text message to the other party, and it turns out it was a wrong number. D'oh! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Questions-about-the-usability-of-GTA02-tp2249982p2257735.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: Why? What is it that you expect the Neo Freerunner to do that the other handheld devices out there won't? You will have noticed that pretty much all the unhappy users are those expecting the Neo Freerunner to be just another well polished smartphone. If you buy a Neo Freerunner, do it for the right reasons so you avoid disappointment. I take issue with that a bit. I'm not the most happy of users but I didn't expect a fully polished smartphone. Some of the reasons you state were important to me, specifically the fully open software stack. That said, I did expect the basics to work in a solid way, and IMHO they still aren't there. No GPRS, GPS, WiFi, bad battery life... those sorts of things I could put up with and did expect. Suspend and wake issues, bad sound and unreliable receiving of calls and text messages were not what I expected. I know there's been a lot of progress, and I know there will be more, but it's still not as useful as my £50 sony ericsson. That said I have a lot of hope about developments in Android and FSO and being able to use it more in the coming couple of months. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Questions-about-the-usability-of-GTA02-tp2249982p2255635.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
London pub meet on the 11th
Hello all, So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub meet on the 11th? I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to work :) So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about the state of the world/phone? I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name kinda stuck. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/London-pub-meet-on-the-11th-tp2255676p2255676.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement Battery with 2300mAh, possible?
Leonti wrote: Sometimes they are not putting the right specifications on the batteries. Right now I have in my other phone (k700i) battery with the capacity double of the original one. But this is just a label. Uptime is the same as with the original battery. My point being that for more capacity you need to have bigger battery. It's not possible to contain more energy in the same amount of electrolyte. Ate least not for a battery for 11 euro. Leonti I was wondering if the FR battery had pretty much hit the limit for modern, affordable battery tech. After searching around for a while myself I've found a variety of other batteries that claim 1300, 1400, or even 1600 mAh in compatible form-factors. But they're all on ebay and I don't trust 'em. Especially with this line in the description - A temporary short capacity of new battery will be resulted from not used for a long time, it is normal, the total capacity will be reinstated via used for 3-5 times. Bad english aside, it sounds like a con. Though for £7.50 it's almost worth a try http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220343010836 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Replacement-Battery-with-2300mAh%2C-possible--tp2183925p2186635.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pub meet: Cambridge, UK, 30.1.2009
Andy Kilner wrote: Not trying to usurp the thread but nothing happened with the plans to have a london meetup. Should we just go to this one instead or would anyone be interested in holding one of our own? Unfortunately I won't be able to make this one as I already have plans for that weekend but would be good to get together with others and see what they're running and share experiences, maybe even plan a few hackathons. Not to continue usurping this thread but I'd probably be up for a few pints and a natter about OM in a pub in London at some point. I have a friend who also has an FR that would likely come along. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Pub-meet%3A-Cambridge%2C-UK%2C-30.1.2009-tp2167396p2167722.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.12] Remove Install Bar
boilersoup wrote: On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:02:28 +1300 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: personally, i think the asu theme (the stock one installed on the freerunner) blows, and you'd be best off switching it for something ore useful - there are plenty around on the web. the illume one, included on the phone, doesn't have that bar in, and does include the decent keyboard, and the wrench for further config of illume Hi Robin, I like the asu theme and I'm comfortable with decompiling and recreating the edc / edj files. I already knew all the web references you gave me but I'm still unable to locate where the Install Bar is declared. Any clue ? Thanks, Mike I did this previously by going through all the resources, one by one, disabling them and then recompiling the theme. It took a couple of hours but it worked. Whichever file you use to tell the theme to set a background image, it's in there somewhere. Of course, since then I've reflashed the phone several times and never did note down what I'd done. D'oh. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Om2008.12--Remove-Install-Bar-tp2165858p2167913.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: London pub meet
Jan Henkins wrote: Opening shot: Depending on the number of people, if we are a small group (8 and less), The Dove Inn in Hammersmith is a really nice place. Food is OK, placement is fabulous (right on the Thames, see link below) and it's easy to get to. However, it is small and popular, we might have to book. What I really like about it, is that it has an enclosed area out the back looking on to the Thames if somedbody quickly need to nip out for a fix (be it getting a GPS or nicotine fix...). I will put this in the WIKI as a recommended venue. The Dove details: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/15/159/Dove_Inn/Hammersmith -- Regards, Jan Henkins I can do the 11th, and I'm not too fussy about venues as long as there's an ale or two on tap :) Hammersmith is fine. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/London-pub-meet-tp2167905p2168393.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: London pub meet
John-2 wrote: Hi Jan, I added a couple of pubs to the wiki. I really don't mind which location. If it became a regular meet it would be fun to try them all out! By coincidence I appear to have recommended two Samuel Smith's pubs which might not suit everyone. I will drink anything me :) John. 2009/1/16 Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net: [snip] Hello John, On Fri, January 16, 2009 14:23, john wrote: Please suggest a location. I find the BITE site an Indispensable (c)(tm) tool in cases like this: http://www.beerintheevening.com/ [snip] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Not a big fan of their ale a couple of pints always has a strange effect on the belly. I'll take a look at the wiki and maybe add one or two. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/London-pub-meet-tp2167905p2168909.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [no distro] What console s/w are linux people using to communicate with the Neo FR boot loader?
john dowd wrote: I've been using minicom but its a disaster. Unless some has settings that they would like to share. Cheers!! -- John Dowd jdowd at slashdevslashnull dot org Search the wiki for a program called neocon, that seemed to work for me. or at least it did until my linux box stopped showing the /dev/ttyACM0 device, now I just have dfu-util -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-no-distro--What-console-s-w-are-linux-people-using-to-communicate--with-the-Neo-FR-boot-loader--tp2158688p2158752.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid networking question
arne anka wrote: networkmanager used to ignore interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces (and does this still on my debian/unstable box), so putting the wiki's stanza for usb0 auto usb0 ... might be worth a try. That sounds like a good idea, thanks for the hint. My eee and other machines all run debian and NM does the same. I think it's geared to usage situations (like in 90% of cases) where only one network connection is required at a time, and if a wired interface comes up you probably want to use it in preference to wireless most of the time. One of my quarrels with NM is that it's difficult to figure out how to stop it autoconnecting to, say, the neighbours open wireless that you used for a couple of days before your own ADSL was installed -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/stupid-networking-question-tp2120334p2127346.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid networking question
arne anka wrote: i think a right click somewhere brings up a list of preferred networks where you can delete the entries not needed anymore (i distinctly remember the list, but not how i got there -- the offending network maybe?) I think that may depend on the version, but on the redhat machine I've got beside me right now, yup, there's a right click edit wireless networks option. I also found out that somewhere under ~/.gconf there's a directory for each wireless network and you can delete those. Less than intuitive though! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/stupid-networking-question-tp2120334p2127390.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC
This isn't going to help you but... The windows driver seems dodgy. The 5th of december Android image made windows bluescreen when you plugged the FR into a machine with the driver installed. Linux is your friend, though of course that's not always possible. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/connect-freerunner-with-debian-to-a-windows-PC-tp2118647p2120195.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
Thanks for all the answers guys, looks like I can grab any old USB charger, 5V/2A being preferable. And a GPS style wndscreen mount would be useful. I'm sure I can find something though. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Car-Charger--tp2106770p2112932.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Car Charger?
In about 9 or 20 months I intend to stop working for a few months and drive around the continent of australia. A GPS device would be good for this. Given that this functionality is coming along ok, that by then we should (hopefully!) have fairly stable operation, and that freerunner battery life is probably never going to be more than a few hours with GPS running Has anyone found a car charger that would work to supply power to the FR running as a navigation aid? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Car-Charger--tp2106770p2106770.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Not looked for one yet, but it has to have a DC Output from 3.7V 2A (battery written value) to 5V 2A (IIRC). Thanks to someone on IRC who helped me with this info, and don't ask me for more since I know almost nothing of electronics :) Rui Thanks for that, from a quick search around (using 5V 2A as terms) it looks like there might be a few options for that. There are a couple of things that give you a power-only USB-A slot to plug devices into, or there are chargers designed for other phones that use mini USB: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/216286187/dual_USB_car_charger_2A_.html http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=165045 Hmmm. Might have to try, they're fairly cheap. To the others saying buy an inverter, it is a good idea, and I will be travelling with a laptop too, but... it just seems wrong. Converting 12V DC to AC via an inverter and then back to 5V DC for the device can't be that efficient? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Car-Charger--tp2106770p2106889.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help with nand u-boot environment
Leonardo-3 wrote: Hi all, I've been messing with u-boot and need some help. I was trying to set the rw parameter into bootargs to boot 2008.12 from SD. After a couple attempts, I had too many entries in the u-boot, and wanted to erase them all, so I used the defaultenv command in u-boot to reset them to the beginning. The beginning I think it's not a working environment. Now the environment is messed and I can't boot from NAND, only from NOR, even if I want to use internal flash and not SD. re-flashing the bootloader does not change the environment. Could somebody point me to a saved environment file somewhere? or, could anybody please upload a working environment into the wiki? I've found this useful on multiple occasions - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#What_if_I_borked_my_bootloader_environment_and_don.27t_get_a_prompt_anymore.3F To reset uboot environments. You can also tweak the environment.in file for stuff like large kernels, or (I guess) different menu entries. HTH -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Help-with-nand-u-boot-environment-tp2101581p2102386.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Stroller-2 wrote: I was on the phone to an Indian call centre a while back and was very frustrated by the way the speaker read my number back to me - they can't even speak English phone numbers correctly! I fumed, but on reflection I realised that many native English speakers read their numbers differently to the way I do, too. It can make it quite difficult to recognise the same number, if it is presented differently. Stroller. Not only that, but it depends on the number. My mobile number has a lot of repetition so I tend to say Oh triple seven, double X, Y, double Z, A,B Sometimes people don't get that, so I fall back to Oh triple 7 X, XYZ, ZAB. However if someone reads my number back to me like that it takes more effort to parse than the first format. Maybe I'm just weird. And another thing, I may have exited my 20s this year but I'm not *that* old! ;) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/How-do-you-like-to-read-a-phone-number--tp2083029p2095801.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Stroller-2 wrote: Note, however, that I would most always use 0207 or 0208 xxx yyy for London numbers - I personally would not use 020, or group the 7 or 8 with the next set of digits. This is probably because I remember when they changed London numbers from 01 to 020 and then subsequently added the 7 8 depending upon whether the destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. Stroller. I would likewise, but you need your memory checked :) It went 01, 071/081, 0171/0181 then 0207/0208. BT changed the London codes so many times in the 80s and 90s. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/How-do-you-like-to-read-a-phone-number--tp2083029p2092178.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Vasili Sviridov wrote: Not sure what has changed, but when I do dfu-util -l from both NOR and NAND uBoot i get this Found Runtime [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=3, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name=USB Device Firmware Upgrade and thats the only line in there. So i'm currently not even able to update the bootloader (as i hoped that'll allow me to see the rest of the partitions). Vasili You can't even update? That sounds pretty bad. If you get that from both NAN and NOR then you've got problems. I was going to suggest that maybe you follow the What if I borked my bootloader environment and don't get a prompt anymore? instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader but if you get that from both then... Are you still running uboot or did you switch to the new thing? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Getting-rid-of-Android-tp1702369p2081295.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur
Well, due to the current exchange rate (my government have screwed up, royally), youmay be better off ordering from truebox.co.uk, where the Freerunner is £272 or ~277 EUR. My poor poor savings, and I was planning to emigrate. Damn you Gordon Brown -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-299-eur-tp2089056p2089110.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
George Brooke wrote: On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the local version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code. solar.george You're not wrong. I can't remember the last time I dialled a number without an area code, even when I've been in the same area. And yes, I'm pretty sure mobiles need the area code regardless. One thing that's been missing on a few phones (but is now fixed on others) that is useful is the ability to treat (where As are area code : 0 ## and +44 ## As the same number, when things like lookups occur, so that if you've entered someone's number in National format, but the network reports it to your phone in international format, it behaves the same. Similarly with dialling, whether I enter the number in national or international format it ought to use the full international number under the covers, so I don't get stuck re-entering numbers when I'm on holiday. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/How-do-you-like-to-read-a-phone-number--tp2083029p2089250.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Well, if you can get sensible stuff out of u-boot then I suggest using the devirginator thing on the link I sent earlier to repare the uboot environmen. Then you should get back to a useful state. I used it to tweak the kernel partition size on the internal flash, so if (as I think you said before) you've got messed up partitions on the internal memory then it could well be the uboot environment that needs fixing. Can't hurt anyway, I wouldn't have thought. If the partition stuff is messed up then this should fix it and allow you to reflash with images as normal. Should fix your menu too, I also used it to fix the stuff that had been altered by the debian set up script. HTH Apologies if this gets to the list twice, my first attempt doesn't seem to have got through properly. Vasili Sviridov wrote: Well, here's the situation. I can power up into NAND or NOR uBoot. Option to boot from SD is available to me. If i do screen /dev/ttyACM0 on the host machine I get the bootloader command prompt and can run those commands (e.g. i can see the partition lists for both NOR and NAND). So it's not a full brick yet. However after several previous reflash attempts i'm pretty sure that Android installation is corrupted, as I can no longer boot into it. There's still a possibility of booting from SD card into a regular moko environment (one of) and maybe flashing from there... At least I hope that it will work. If not - i'll be looking for a person with a debug board in Vancouver :D Vasili. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Getting-rid-of-Android-tp1702369p2089460.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Gothnet wrote: Vasili Sviridov wrote: Will it still work w/o debug board? All i got is the USB cable connection. Vasili yeah, me too :) Worked just fine. Follow the instructions on that page - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#What_if_I_borked_my_bootloader_environment_and_don.27t_get_a_prompt_anymore.3F Apply a little common sense and edit some of the files if you're not trying to achieve a complete reset of the uboot env (though I think you are) and it should be. I'm not saying that this is definitely your problem, but it sounds like it to me, and I don't think it can actually hurt your phone right now either. Though if it is your partition table that's b0rked then you may want to edit the environment.in file too, I found it pretty easy to read. It would be nice for an actual OM dev or representative to chime in here and tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree Have a play I guess. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Getting-rid-of-Android-tp1702369p2089518.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster offer - Freerunner 299 eur
arne anka wrote: Price Truebox is 272 GBP + 15% VAT + 40 shipping = 405 eur with eur:gbp at almost 1:1 it is actually more like 360 eur ... Price Pulster is 299 eur incl. VAT + 15 shipping = 314 eur ... nevertheless it costs more than yours ;-) I don't want to get into a pissing contest here, but the truebox price includes VAT, I bought mine from them at that price back in the summer. Unless somehow I managed to avoid paying VAT or just forgot to look at the actual price... weird. OK, having looked at their website it seems I'm just ignorant. 299 EUR including taxes is a great deal from pulster! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-299-eur-tp2089056p2089574.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
rakshat hooja wrote: Also if there are reports of 3G dongles working well with the Freerunner, please post them on this list/ wiki. Resellers can start stocking them if the demand is there. Rakshat AAH! I don't want to have to have a dongle, probably with a separate contract, in order to use 3G from my phone. That is the worst possible outcome for an openmoko data connection. I want my phone to BE my 3G dongle, so I have a decent smartphone with a good connection speed, good 3G coverage for calls AND can use the connection from my laptop, preferably via bluetooth. Screw it, I'll buy a mass produced android next time. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Stage-of-GTA03-development--tp1664400p1745374.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Sargun Dhillon wrote: Additionally, why are we expecting 3G from OM, they are having a hard time getting a phone right. Why are we holding them to the same standards as Apple, HTC, etc... Apple can't get 3G in the iPhone for two years. For which they were heavily criticised because smartphones (and not so smart phones) in Europe had had 3G for years. 3G is not a special feature any more, it's pretty basic in most handsets. The FR, with it's all-touchscreen interface and open nature *could* be forgiven for not having 3G. It's a shortcoming, but it's forgiveable when so much of the rest was at least near the state of the art - Linux, GPS, uSDHC etc. If 03 is released in a year or so without 3G it will have fallen way behind, especially as the touch screen control is no longer unusual. If the hardware is fixed at this point then, well, sorry, but OM ought to revise it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Stage-of-GTA03-development--tp1664400p1752249.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
rakshat hooja wrote: I am talking about GTA 02 and people who already own it and need to use 3G. GTA 02 does not have 3G built in sorry if if this was not clear in my mail Rakshat Sorry, thought you were suggesting it as a get-out-of-jail-free for OM and 3G on the 03. If you need it now then sure, that might be an idea. Personally, my focus on the FR is having a phone that works... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Stage-of-GTA03-development--tp1664400p1758082.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
Orlando-13 wrote: I Hate to tell you this, but you can try to format your sd card (just to fat32 or ext3) in another Linux box. Then, install another Linux distro in your openmoko... The problem as I see it is that your sd card has a lot of partitions right ? -Orlando. Probably not actually, android (AFAICT) must be installed on the internal flash, not the SD, so content of the SD card is pretty irrelevant. I don't think I've ever tried to go back from android to another distro on my FR, so I can't help with the original question either. /I'm helping! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Getting-rid-of-Android-tp1702369p1762810.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Helge Hafting wrote: Making a good small lens is not a problem, a good small sensor is. Japanese tourists may be satisfied, but perhaps they just aren't that good photographers. Small-sensor images can be reasonable under ideal lighting conditions, but hopeless for most other cases. But then, tourists go where the sun is. To use an internet cliche you're doing it wrong. Most people aren't good photographers, Japanese or otherwise. Neither do they care. Look at the sales of disposable cameras before digital came along. The quality of photography is just not the point. You want a decent resolution, sure, but if they come out a bit blurry or badly lit? Who cares? I'm snapping stuff that doesn't matter but might be cute if it comes out ok, the dog looking at me funny, the family in front of an amusing road sign, a shop with an amusing name, some people at a birthday part in a restaurant In fact the act of taking the photo is probably more important than the result most of the time. To others arguing about cameras and no camera, I can't have one at work - please recognise that you are a tiny, tiny minority. Many more people don't care about cameras in their phones, many more do, but those for whom it's actually an obstruction are really an insignificant market sector. And the I just want a phone that works and does nothing but make calls crowd won't be looking at Neo anyway. As to whether camera or 3g should be a priority? Both, IMHO. 3G is an absolute must for the gta03, without it it's just a phone with a lousy connection most of the time. Or would be if I could be bothered to try getting GPRS working... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Stage-of-GTA03-development--tp1664400p1694101.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] koolu first beta release
Andreas Wallin wrote: I tried it, Still the keyboard does not work in all text dialogs, wifi doesn't work, I cant lock screen, and suspend still doesn't work, GSM seems to work. I reflashed my openmoko with qt after 1 days use, When suspend,lock screen and soft keyboard works i will give android a new try, greetings ! Which kernel did you try? with the tracking kernel (from Sean's directory or elsewhere) I could get suspend and resume working to some extent with Sean's image. Haven't tried koolu's one though, gave up on FR again about the 6th of december when android decided that registering on GSM was just not going to happen any more. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--koolu-first-beta-release-tp1678407p1690239.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
Olivier Migeot wrote: Community, you have this Openmoko company who is still working on their product some months after it's been released. Granted, the first release was nowhere near astounding. But in closed world developement, who could claim such dedication? ;) In a closed world OM would have been panned, the devices returned and probably have been forced out of business by now. Openness is great. FOSS is great. Working base functionality is more important though. After trying to live with the freerunner and OM2008 for a month I bought another phone. My FR is also doing a good impression of a brick most of the time. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/No-more-optimization-team-tp1637861p1674010.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] installation
Vinzenz Hersche wrote: hey tony, your first partition on the sd-card should be fat-formated. Not if you update your NAND uboot to a recent (i.e sometime in the last four months or so) version. Then ext2 is fine. I've had mine running this way. More recent uboot's also have some better charging code and other fixes, it's probably worth flashing one if you're still on the factory-shipped version. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--installation-tp1647676p1647789.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] installation
Tony Berth wrote: Having a OM2008.9 jffs on FR, I did run 'install.sh all'. I did shutdown the device and when rebooted I choose the SD card to boot. That should do the trick! No, no it won't, uyou need to follow the section below - Adjusting your uBoot environment Go back to the wiki and either run that OR use a fat filesystem for the install. You will need to do one or the other or it won't work. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--installation-tp1647676p1648149.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone
Didier Raboud wrote: arne anka wrote: the facts known about google's remote control of the android g1 (privately owned devoces, mind you!) are absolutely horrible, and i don't want to support any effort in that way. +1 from me too. Don't use Big Evil Google ! I don't want them having my data, it's true, I don't use their services (other than search) because I don't believe in giving control to third parties. However, in this case, they have provided an open source mobile phone operating environment that is responsive, pretty and provides a hardware agnostic application environment. With a little bit of market penetration (and there are already many vendors looking with phones in the works) a software community far wider than a single device could spring up. And with it being OSS I can make sure the version I run is not subject to any google control. I agree that google are currently in a moral grey area, (and outright wrong about controlling people's phones) but I don't think android should be dismissed for this. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--Converting-a-brick-into-a-phone-tp1638865p1643164.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
John Lee wrote: I shouldn't say gta03, I should say the next generation software we are going to use. Since people will switch to that software with their freerunner (gta02), it makes more sense to put more resource to work on that. My writing wasn't accurate enough. Sorry about that. - John John (and Marek), Thanks for explaining that, I have no particular attachment to any one software distribution, only an interest in getting a stable, responsive phone. To this end I'm encouraged that more effort is going into the FSO as it seems like 2008.X is something of a sideline now. And yes, the use of the term gta03 to refer to the newer software stack IS confusing! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-30-%7E-12-06%29-tp1625647p1638316.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone
I agree with Rui, and as a Software Engineer with about a decade of C under my belt I should be able to help out. It's just getting motivated and getting started that are the problems here The nice thing about Android is that it seems like the interface stuff is basically there, it's sharp and responsive (compared to the last time I used 2008.X or FDOM, which was October) and it just seems like a much 'nicer' environment. Problems I have with getting started are I wouldn't know how to begin debugging, I don't have a qemu environment set up and the non-POSIX nature of the android setup is a little odd. The low-effort option for me seems to be to wait and see what koolu come up with... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--Converting-a-brick-into-a-phone-tp1638865p1639849.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
John Lee wrote: Olv is having kernel fun now, but since it's gta03 related, you probably won't see him a lot on the public kernel list. ... OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is fairly limited. I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing on gta03? Already? It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an abandonment of freerunner owners. With the software in the state it was when the 02 came out, I certainly won't be buying a 03 until OM proves it can actually make something that's a useful product rather than just a public alpha. this goes double if the alpha product is essentially left for dead without ever being fully working. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-30-%7E-12-06%29-tp1625647p1633700.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
polz wrote: That's just common sense. If you want a working phone, just stick to the Freerunner, maybe try and help get it into a working state. Once the base system is working, you can always buy a GTA03 to get some new, faster, shinier hardware. Yes, but I'm wondering who they think is going to buy the 03 when the user experience for the 02 has been so poor and it looks like development effort is being shifted off it when the phone is still basically in alpha testing. Don't worry, the software on your phone is free, it'll stay supported as long as there's at least one user willing to keep building images/packages for it. You're likely to run out of replacement parts or break it unintentionally way before then. That's not in any way the same as having paid development effort to get it up to a base working state. And it's not support I'm worried about, it's the absolute basic functionality and reliability that's at issue here. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-30-%7E-12-06%29-tp1625647p1633966.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Got the thing booting, finally, by using my universal charger. I guess the problem now is that when it gets too low it'll just shut itself down, even with the charger attached. I'm running uImage-tracking and the rootfs with the keyboard now. Rui Castro wrote: My keyboard has some obvious problems, the letter/number/symbols keys are too small If you have fingernails the buttons just about work, could definitely be wider though. Rui Castro wrote: I have been able to boot with kernels uImage-android and uImage-tracking, but both are very unstable. The suspend/resume don't work reliably in any of them. With uImage-tracking, the only one I could get to work for some time, bluethooth works, gsm works sometimes, wifi works but it doesn't detect my wireless network (WPA) and it doesn't shutdown. I noticed the same stuff, and in addition to this the UI seems less responsive than it was in previous releases. The smoothness of bringing up the app menu is just not quite as good as before, which is a shame. The suspend/resume is better than last time around, and any keyboard is a good start, but we're not quite there yet. OTOH, it seems to be a matter of glueing the firmware to the hardware successfully, rather than fundamental problems. Rui Castro wrote: The workaround to boot the uImage-tracking kernel from uBoot (setenv bootcmd setenv ... ; saveenv) works, but when I poweroff neo and try to boot again it doesn't work anymore; I have to do the hack again. Maybe I'm doing something stupid here. It's the first time I mess with uBoot shell. I did things the long way round, downloading the uboot env with dfu-util, editing it and then re-uploading (see previous post on what to do with borked uboot env). Mostly did this because neither of my debian systems at home wanted to bring up any /dev/ttyACM or /dev/ttyUSB or whatever interfaces and I couldn't access the shell. Have booted this way several times, so you may want to give it a try. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1613093.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Hire wrote:
Someone can explain me how I can edit the uboot env? Because I did it:
bootcmd=
setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts};
nand read.e 0x3200 kernel 0x30;
bootm 0x3200
But it doesn't boot. It does the same issue: can't find an image kernel.
I have edited only the environment.in and not env.in
Oh - that's what I did, in NAND uboot, download the env using dfu-util, grab
the devirginator toolset and environment.in, change that single character
in environment.in from a 2 to a 3 in the bootcmd section, run the
environment generator and then upload the new env.out file.
Then I re-uploaded the kernel and rootfs using dfu-util and it worked
fine. That's all the help I can be.
I've also discovered a new feature in the image since my last post. Plugging
it into my windows box to charge makes the box bluescreen. Not only when
booted, but if it's plugged in then the OS bluescreens differently during
startup. Yay!
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Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Cédric Berger wrote: But I made a call and while on call I could not get the keyboard ! Menu button brings special call menu, and there is not the keybord button :-( I am afraid that it could be the same for incoming calls. So you could not answer. So no access to volume buttons. And DTMF with Phone application numerical keyboard does not work... I'll give incoming calls a go with real hardware slightly later, but from what you're saying you wouldn't be able to hang up! Still, progress eh? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1614482.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Cédric Berger wrote: Well hang up is possible since there is an hang up button on the standard phone menu. (press menu button during call to see it) The problem is to respond to a call... No problem at all, just made and received calls between my cheapo sony ericcson and the freerunner running the 2.4MB (tracking) kernel and the latest rootfs. Incoming call gets displayed, click power button for menu, click button for keyboard, click button for pick up. Would it be better if the dialer app had on-screen buttons for pick up or reject? Certainly. But Rui's keyboard works fine. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1614648.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Actually, when I say fine, I mean that I could pick up. To hang up at the end of the call I still had to bring up the phone menu. Right, next test - text messages. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1614665.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Gothnet wrote: Actually, when I say fine, I mean that I could pick up. To hang up at the end of the call I still had to bring up the phone menu. Right, next test - text messages. Which I can't do because now it's refusing to register. Except when I call it the Network think's it's registered and I get ringtone. Hmmm. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1614818.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Levy Abinajm Melero Sant'Anna wrote: Nice, I will test this last image this weekend. Thank you, Levy. don't get too excited, after registering for the first 24 hours, it now refuses to. I think the unregistered but still ringing thing was a network glitch. Since then, no registration despite several reboots. There's a GSM bug in there somewhere that spoils the call answering feature. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1615941.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Warren Baird wrote: I agree Android looks like it has a lot of promise - but if you want a functioning phone today - I'd suggest trying out QtExtended 4.4.2 - it doesn't give you much more than basic phone functionality, but I've been using it as my day-to-day phone for a month now, and am generally pretty happy with it... Warren Qtopia is one of the two things I didn't try, SHR being the other. I gave up on the rest because of the unresponsive interfaces, poor battery life, terrible remote echo (tried everything I could find), refusal to wake up in a timely fashion on incoming calls etc. I was also discouraged by the prominence of we should work on stuff for GTA03 comments on the lists. I now have a cheap sony-ericsson for the sake of my sanity, so I'll wait until android or other distro can provide a bit more than basic phone functions, or at least do it better than what I have. Android looks like it could be the quickest route to solving most of the issues and the echo was gone straight away. i know I ought to get off my a*se and help, but after the dayjob I don't have much appetite for coding and debugging right now. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1609901.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Sean, which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking? Franky Take a look here - http://n2.nabble.com/andy-tracking-kernel--td1609293.html for details on the kernel difference. and what you'll need to do to u-boot to get the tracking kernel to boot. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1610252.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking? OK, for the hard of thinking (amongst whom I count myself) I got the tracking kernel booting by following the what if I borked my bootloader instructions from here - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader But editing the bootcmd entry to read a larger kernel nand read.e 0x3200 kernel 0x30; then flashing the kernel and rootfs image as usual. Unfortunately the time I took to do this seems to have run down the freerunner's battery, and now android boots and immdeiately says shutting down because of low power. It doesn't do it though. I also can't seem to find my universal charger any more, dammit, so I'm not quite sure what to do. Does the battery charge whilst in u-boot menu? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1611381.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Cédric Berger wrote: For now, most wanted for me is a keyboard, and internet connectivity (90% off android applications need internet access !). Wifi does not work, GPRS either (for me at least), and I did not manage to have internet access via USB (though I have read this may work ? Success anyone ?). Can't quite get there, I have a missing link. I can get into a shell on the freerunner and see the ifconfig info for usb0 - usb0: ip 192.168.0.202 mask 255.255.255.0 flags [up broadcast running multicast] And ping the notebook on 192.168.0.200. Adding a route with - route add default gw 192.168.0.200 dev usb0 Once that's done I can ping the public IP address of the notebook as well. I think there's some sort of firewall stuff on this machine (work laptop) that's preventing me from forwarding packets, but the main problem I have is that there's no /etc/resolv.conf so I'm not sure how to add DNS info. I could add the file and try that I s'pose. Also the command line ssh (dropbear client) chokes because it can't get random data. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1604011.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
First impressions on new Android rootfs
Improvements since the first release are evident, the graphics are now pretty glitch free where they used to occasionally flicker. However, since the last image I flashed, bluetooth has stopped working, I now just get a message saying Unable to turn on Bluetooth. Wifi claims to turn on but fails to scan. Can't remember if this is better or worse than before. No keyboard, will attempt to find a way to install the one mentioned here: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918 Err... does anyone know if suspend/resume works yet? So anyway, we're still a little way off a useable phone, IMHO. I'm happy to be contradicted here though. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1603648.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Yup, DNS is the issue now. Attached to another machine I can ping 66.249.91.147 but lookup of www.google.com fails. To create a resolv.conf i had to remount the root filesystem as rw with - mount -o remount,rw -t jffs2 /dev/root / But it didn't help. So, yes, net access over USB but no DNS. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1604131.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Please forgive me for replying to so many of my own emails... Apparently the answer is setprop net.usb0.dns1 $IP_ADDRESS Though I haven't made it do anything because the browser won't start, there's no keypad to enter mail settings and the only command line tool I can find (ping) doesn't seem to get the setting. Guess I need a keyboard. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1604187.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] OnScreen Keyboard
Sean McNeil wrote: Excellent. Then we can just include it within the image as it won't affect operations otherwise. Got any sort of ETA on an updated image? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--OnScreen-Keyboard-tp1583918p1585457.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android rootfs image?
If you can wait a week or so Koolu - http://www.koolu.com/ - have promised to release their version of Android for Freerunner in the first week of December. I hope that means they'll release it for general use and not just for their customers. I also hope they release the source code for any changes they make back into the wider android community. I guess we'll see. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Android-rootfs-image--tp1575999p1576429.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android rootfs image?
Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof wrote:
Where does it say that it will be released in the first week of december?
I think they made an announcement or press release or some such. It's
covered in a bunch of online blogs and news sources -
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Koolu-Support-Android-Platform-Openmokos/story.aspx?guid={6A22E64A-35D7-421A-8F28-B92492742C55}
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9302153625.html
http://androidguys.com/?p=2870
http://androidcommunity.com/beta-release-of-android-for-openmokos-freerunner-handset-available-the-first-week-of-december-20081120/
They all sound quite similar and you're right, there is no sign of it on the
koolu site, so we can only hope for now.
I too am interested in what they've done about a keyboard. From the animated
image on their site it looks like they've solved the call answering problem
by putting in an on-screen button for it, which looks good to me.
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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
Larger screen. More real estate for a keyboard, basically, the current ones are just on the boundary of unusable with a finger and anything bigger would take up too much space; you need a comfortable amount of space for the application and the on screen input. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Survey-about-the-Touchscreen-tp1561613p1561964.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Tom R wrote: I'm not familiar with the android environment so here are a couple of questions do I need the android SDK to install this keyboard? if I don't need it then, how do I ssh into android once it's running? I've tried the usual ifconfig usb0 x.x.x.x ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] but the connection is refused. if i dont need to ssh to install it, then how to do it? regards Tom I thought it was worth mentioning here that adb is also what you need to get a shell on your android-freerunner. ADBHOST=192.168.0.202 adb shell -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--Soft-keyboard-tp1518369p1558099.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Walter Chang wrote: i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft keyboard so i made one. I used the copy-and-paste functionality on Android so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them. to download: http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list and download qad-keyboard.apk. for instructions on installation and usage: http://code.google.com/p/netgents/wiki/QadKeyboardHowto . enjoy, Fantastic news, quick question - does this keyboard allow us to answer calls at all? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--Soft-keyboard-tp1518369p1520385.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
Iain B. Findleton wrote: the main issue with optimization efforts is whether they can proceed faster than the introduction of better hardware. If a 400 Mhz machine is too slow, will a 1 Ghz machine be fast enough? Will anything be fast enough? Apparently, from the history of desktops, the answer is no! Having seen the way the device responds under android compared to the way it responds under OM2008, I'd say they have a way to go on current hardware. I guess I'll try OM2008.11 at some point and see if that's caught up. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/The-forbidden-topic%3A-Glamo-OpenGL-tp1495995p1510628.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
Lally Singh wrote: Just fair warning here. As I don't think OM will use the Glamo in future devices, doing the right thing isn't as critical as normal software projects... -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech Doing the right this IS critical to support the freerunner, going forward. I, personally, get rather worried by all this talk of supporting future revisions and not putting in too much freerunner-specific energy because it won't be loing until GTA03 is here If OM drop efforts to make 02 better, then they'll probably have a lot of folks that just won't buy the 03 because they're angry. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Calling-interested-Glamo-OpenGL-developers-%28was%3A-The-forbidden-topic%3A-Glamo-OpenGL%29-tp1505667p1507674.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
To add my two pence-worth about the joke comment - I have a very high tolerance to stuff not working. or not working smoothly. Most of my computers are broken in some way at any given time. However, when forced to rely on it for a month, even I got annoyed with the freerunner running OM software. It really needs work on the basics. I mean, responsiveness is not there, interface is dodgy (the end call button being in the same spot as the accept call button, and being unresponsive, made me hang up s many calls). Echo on calls, battery life... Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for a low powered device that needs a responsive UI? Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that whilst I love the ideals, it's basically become a toy rather than a phone, until such time as android is available. And I feel really bad for saying that because I so want a small, community involved, properly open platform to be a reality, and I know you guys are doing a lot of work, it's just not ready for prime-time yet. I think maybe I had the wrong impression about the state of the software when I bought it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/The-forbidden-topic%3A-Glamo-OpenGL-tp1495995p1498709.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
Jacob Peterson wrote: I know the buzzing issue had quite a bit of attention from the Openmoko team, judging from watching the traffic on the Hardware and Kernel mailing lists. So I don't think they have given up on that, but it doesn't seem like there is any set solution for current devices, only anecdotal reports of alsa volume tweaks. I've not actually suffered the infamous buzzing, my problem was that, mostly on incoming calls, the other party had their words echoed back to them at full volume a second or so after they spoke. One of the 2008 updates fixed it, but then it came back in the next one. I've tried using various folks' gsmhandset.state files to no avail, in fact some of them killed sound altogether. Android doesn't seem to suffer from it, but of course I've only been able to make outgoing calls. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/The-forbidden-topic%3A-Glamo-OpenGL-tp1495995p1499227.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] new version with page flipping corrected.
Excellent. I've flashed this now and the screen flashing has indeed gone and it's still just as responsive as before. I was able to activate bluetooth and detect the device with other systems. I could activate GPS (apparently) but there's no GPS app I could find on the default image. S'pose I ought to hunt one down. Still no way to answer calls or type a text message, but I understand that will come next year from Google themselves. Anyone got GPRS going yet? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-android--new-version-with-page-flipping-corrected.-tp1484538p1489695.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] Answer calll problems
Well colour me impressed. I've had a play with android on the Freerunner and (no disrespect to the openmoko guys) it's renewed my faith that the device will some day be useable as a phone. Managed to get it running, import contacts from the SIM and make calls, with acceptable volume and none of the echo that the OM distros suffered from. There's a lot that's not working (receive calls for instance) but this looks really good guys. Kudos and thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Android-open-sourced-tp1359949p1467672.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
Hi all, My thoughts on this (as a software dev that hasn't yet got into the freerunner software development, despite best intentions) - 1. Basic phone functions: It needs to work as a phone, currently it doesn't wake up from suspend in time for more than 2 rings before the other party is diverted to voicemail. The sound quality is terrible and usually echos back at the other party. 2. Battery life: The battery in the gta02 is not a small capacity battery, far from it in fact, why does it only last a few hours? At best I get about 12 hours out of it. 3. Stability Resuming from suspend sometimes just doesn't happen, and nothing I do wakes it up. Given 2 and 3, a quicker boot time would be nice, but if we could fix the things that mean I have to boot it so often it would be helpful. The only other thing that springs to mind is that it would also be good if the settings (screen brightness etc) were stored somewhere so I don't have to redo them every boot. As far as I'm concerned, anything else is just candy. Other functions (GPS, GPRS, WiFi etc etc) would be nice and should be expected as part of any decent phone package, but right now the absolute basics (and I mean absolute basics) need work. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Back-to-the-basics%3A-improving-user-experience-tp1340253p1344713.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] going to install - hints?
Davide Scaini wrote: Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? Sorry for the delay, but better late than never! go here - https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_Freerunner And update u-boot by going to the section marked Flashing the boot loader to the NAND. You'll want this because u-boot has improved and because the older u-boot couldn't boot the kernel from ext2. You may also want to get a program called neocon - it allows you to halt the phone in the bootloader phase, giving you long to kick off dfu-util to update uboot. Then just follow the wiki - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner It took me a couple of hours but all worked pretty well. I gave up on debian pretty quickly because I stopped getting any GSM signal/registration after a while. I liked the zhone interface though, and it seemed more responsive. Also having the full apt repository is amazing. It's now FDOM for me, though as and when debian/FSO is known to be more stable I might switch again. I like debian, and the size of the community ensures that information is easy to find and community support done well. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1133623.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: So what should I learn and develop for?
Matthew Lane wrote: It looks like future frameworks are heading towards the ASU or FSO? I'm not really sure, although ASU seems to be a merge of 2007.2 and Qtopia, so perhaps that direction is what you're looking for? Perhaps, though I have my doubts about running a full X server on neo hardware, Qtopia's framebuffer approach might be a little more resource friendly. Guess I'll have to try a couple of them. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/So-what-should-I-learn-and-develop-for--tp661310p662017.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Best UK data plan?
Hi all, I'm expecting my FreeRunner in the next day or so (thanks Truebox) and was wondering if any other UK users had come across any good data tariffs? I've got myself a SIM card from T-Mobile with their Solo 15 package, and managed to persuade the guy in the shop to try selling it to me with their Mobile Broadband Plus add-on. 12.50 for 3G a month unrestricted use. This combination's not on their lists or their website and head office said it couldn't be done, but for once computer says yes in store. It's only a month's rolling contract so - anyone found a better one? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Best-UK-data-plan--tp660531p660531.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best UK data plan?
My bad - I meant 3GB a month, unrestricted on what you can do with it. I don't think it's only 3G traffic, at least I couldn't find any reference to anything differentiating which technology you could use. The only plan differences I could see were whether you were allowed to use the phone as a modem for a laptop (Mobile Broadband) or not (Web'n'Walk). Guess we'll see when the first bill comes in! arne anka wrote: Mobile Broadband Plus add-on. 12.50 for 3G a month unrestricted use. would it be technically possible to use a 3G data plan with a 2.5G device? 3G is umts, 2.5G gprs -- i would imagine t-online does not allow you to use a umts plan with gprs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Best-UK-data-plan--tp660531p660589.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
So what should I learn and develop for?
As a newcomer to the Openmoko scene, I've started to notice that there are a lot of different firmwares out there, some from Openmoko and some from other places. I'm a C programmer by trade with almost a decade of commercial experience, mostly in server/backend stuff. I want to start looking at Openmoko and the FreeRunner but I'm now not sure which frameworks, firmwares and library sets I ought to be looking at. What's the stable openmoko distribution? Should I start working against Qtopia as it's got a wider device base and (probably) a larger community? I must admit I like the idea of making debian workable, but from the distributions page that looks like it has a long way to go before I'd get a workable phone out of it. What's the state of play guys? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/So-what-should-I-learn-and-develop-for--tp661310p661310.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
