At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open
EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do
that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free?
The two major professional and free EDA tools for PCBs are
1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net
2.
So what to use? Nothing to use...
We should look for what comes after phones and tablets.
What's next?
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The cheapest UMTS Android 2.2 device I can currently get in
Germany is at 129 EUR (most likely from some overstock clearance).
Android phones start around 20 USD at quantity 1000 in China, see
HEDY as one example of many
http://en.hedy.com.cn/product/mobile.htm
Probably not with 3G for 25 USD,
We also need more people to be granted erase permissions, i think it is
clear from the logs who contributes and is eligible.
I apologize, it's not clear to me but I will add erase or admin
permissions if you give me a list of user names.
I do not believe this solves the bigger problem though,
Ranjit,
hey, thanks for noticing :-)
Happen to see the case of Milkymist one[1], it is a transparent
material and would prefer GTA04 embedded in case like that, with full
view of itsy bitsy circuits and chips, don't know how feasible is it.
[1] http://milkymist.org/mmone.html
That case was
ATT has been calling and text'ing for the last 2 months. They have
informed
me that my phone will no longer be compatible with their network on Monday
Aug 29-30, 2011. Has anyone else running into this issue?
Yes. They eventually started *intercepting my calls* and redirecting
them
there is also a project on qi-hardware.com:
http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xue/timeline/
The problem with that project is that it's just a plan now, not a
single board has been produced. I'd say this is way out until it
becomes a usable product (minimum 1 year). And we are not
Wim has asked me to forward that the Hackable Devices stand will be
located in Building AW.
I will show the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid and the GTA04 engineering
sample. David will show the Nanonote.
And the Milkymist One VJ station
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One
Marko,
you did a fantastic job all these many months - under-appreciated - so
a big THANK YOU is more than deserved!
Good luck with your N900, keep in touch,
Wolfgang
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a) crack open closed phones by reverse engeneering ?
b) wait for a manufacturer to compromise its pot of gold by producing an open
phone ?
c) put our head in a bag and pretend an iphone or an android is open enough ?
d) aim at building one collectively despite all the unbelievers trying to
Ghislain,
They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't
know about the funding).
even that is open :-) (scroll down to second part)
http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/developer/2010-February/001918.html
Although it's not a phone, I do have a working
raster,
may be waiting forever. if it does happen you'll find yourself comparing to
iphone 4g or nexus 2 or whatever is now out in the 95% of the market. and
then crying why it sucks so much in comparison. that was already the case for
freerunner. like it or not there is an expectation of at
Warren,
I've been using my FR for 1.5 years, as my primary phone for a lot of that
time(on QtEI and the more recently shr-u), and I must admit I'm getting more
and more frustrated with it - between the regular crashes and hangs, the
incredibly slow performance (so slow that I still
Timo,
I'd really hope for FreeRunner with 3G and Glamo ripped off, possibly
newer CPU some day. For example some company joining gta02-core
effort to semi-productize something new...
Yeah definitely.
There are a number of efforts going on to regroup, here's my perspective
on the lower layers
Michael,
Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location
for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? - I
really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File
releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the
Mickey,
congratulations for taking FSO this far and all the best and some good
luck in 2010!
Wolfgang
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 02:31:22PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year!
2009 was a turbulent year for us, the year where
raster,
I can officially leak this. We (over in Enlightenment land) are working with a
major electronics manufacturer
Fantastic news, congratulations for getting this off the ground and I wish
you a lot of success with it!
Keep in touch,
Wolfgang
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:07:09PM +1100,
David,
same as the others, congratulations!
I think we will hear a lot more from tuxbrain in coming years... :-)
Wolfgang
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:26:52PM +0100, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
Dear all,
Is for me a pleasure and proud to announce this week Tuxbrain the
company that has
Doug,
YES! This is an excellent summary and technical introduction to
the device...
Before trying to add a few things, let me first express my deep
personal thanks to a number of people that worked with me on the
device until 5 months ago (there was not enough space on the official
website to
Nelson,
Something that I think and that also hear from others is that it's sad
to see that OM stopped sponsoring phone development too early (when
the FR was just starting to work) but we know that many companies
Totally agree with you.
But the good news is that Werner continues with
Sean,
wow great, it's out!
Congratulations and I wish you all the best with it!
Wolfgang
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:51:42PM +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Dear Community!
Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three
Rod,
wow, sad to see you go indeed.
You are one of the true old-timers of Openmoko :-)
Since hacking the Palm Pre is not that far from an 'open phone' perspective,
maybe you can add a feed to the Openmoko planet and we can that way stay in
touch with what you are doing?
I will regularly check
Stefan,
what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people
are looking for?
I think at some point I will start to work on a table of 'hackable' hardware,
because at least technically it's relatively easy to pin down features:
Reflashable, unbrickable, all drivers in
Angus,
thanks a lot for your fantastic work on Om2009.
It didn't go where we wanted it to go, but still covered a lot of ground.
I guess I will switch to SHR too then (good instructions!) :-)
Keep in touch,
Wolfgang
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 01:09:49PM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote:
Hi All,
After
Risto,
My wish also would be that the (former) OM employees still around
could rewrite/update the parts that concern OM the company in the
wiki.
Can you point me to some parts you would like to see updated?
I'm not with the company anymore for 2 months, but maybe there are
still some things I
Roland,
Seeing that none of the distro's really do (seeing that they are
produced by hackers who are mostly hacking for their own enjoyment
it's not really surprising and you can't really blame the teams)
I would agree, but what's your solution?
The one idea I have is that maybe stable
Mickey,
Not really. Reloading (in the worst case) 128MB from an SD is not exactly
fast
either.
The only sane way to substantially improve booting time is to stop booting
like a desktop PC, that is move away from starting all services just because
you can. Start them on demand and
, 2009 at 01:46:26AM +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
How are people really using the Coulomb counter in gta02?
Theoretically I would think that it provides far superior power measurement
options for actual software development, just as you write.
For example when playing with power saving codes
Paul Joerg,
this is an excellent document, obviously I cannot spot anything wrong!
I didn't know that some external chargers would not charge gta01 or gta02
batteries because of the thermistor check you are writing about.
All the cheap external chargers we bought in Taiwan or China for testing
proving that we have it :-)
Any Coulomb fans out there?
Wolfgang
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 10:02:42PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi-hardware.com writes:
this is an excellent document, obviously I cannot spot anything
wrong!
Thanks for you kind words. :)
I didn't know
consumption work.
If it's not possible, I think CC is good - I don't want to make the assumption
that you have to have an ampmeter to be able to do power consumption work.
Feedback very appreciated.
Wolfgang
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 10:02:42PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi
ruso...@poczta.fm writes:
2009/8/2 Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi-hardware.com
Hmm, that's a pretty strong statement.
At Openmoko we spent _a lot_ of money combined to get this CC thing to
work.
The theory was that you have it in most notebook batteries so it's 'a
good
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:22:40PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi-hardware.com writes:
To me it seems that CC readings are almost unused except for
presenting the user with a bit more accurate capacity data. And when
someone is developing something lowlevel he could
...
Thanks for all your feedback so far,
Wolfgang
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:30:45PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi-hardware.com writes:
Wolfgang, please consider making current measurement in suspend
easy. :)
Yeah - I thought that's what we were talking about
consumption during suspend?
Wolfgang
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:46:06PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi-hardware.com writes:
Yes, i think that's the case. The only state where integrated power
measurement
readings are unavailable is suspend and that's quite low level
Mickey, Stefan, Daniel and Jan,
congratulations!
I wish you all the best, both from a free software and business perspective
it's so important to avoid the mobile Android monoculture :-)
Way to go FSO, we will do what we can to support you guys.
Wolfgang
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:51:20PM
Tony,
just a few misconceptions - Qi is global, same as Openmoko. Headquarter in
San Francisco, RD in Taiwan, Germany, USA. Production in China.
About patents - we care a lot. Qi Hardware is Copyleft Hardware.
How could we think that this would work if we didn't respect intellectual
property? We
Shaz,
(cross-posting to develo...@lists.qi-hardware.com, if you have more Qi-specific
questions please ask me over there)
This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys
planning to go along with OpenMoko efforts?
Both Openmoko and Qi believe in free technology, so for
Werner,
you can mark my words - I am becoming a real mutt fan now.
Unless someone else is faster, I will port mutt over to the NanoNote and
use it as my offline email device :-)
Next time I come visit you in Buenos Aires this will work!
Wolfgang
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 08:27:02AM -0300, Werner
Christoph,
wow I like your list!
Old mistakes:
#1 Believing in the community? No comment.
#2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in addition
we have an open roadmap and design the products based on community feedback.
#3 We don't need an MPEG-patent license because we
maddog,
thanks for your thoughtful reply!
Fortunately the mp3 issue (as a continued example) can be met other
ways. Since the designs are open, the addition of an mp3 codec by a VAR
(and payment of that royalty in jurisdictions where it is required) is
something that could be done even
Rafael,
(ex-OM as well) has found some serious problems with HeeksCAD already, that
he says prohibit him from doing effective work to prepare for plastic
injection. Oh well...
This a surprise to me, as i didn't know this mechanical tool.
Are you a mechanical engineer? Or do you know some
Laszlo,
excellent link to wildcat, thanks!
Free mechanical tools are the weakest part (aside from free IC design tools),
so this may take a while until it becomes a real production option but it's
definitely on the radar.
I will follow up on wildcat in a little bit.
Best Regards,
Wolfgang
On Tue,
Hi everybody,
today I wanted to make it official that I left my employed role at
Openmoko Inc. two weeks ago. I worked as Sean's lead for all engineering
activities for over 1.5 years, and have to say it was a hell of a ride!
Thanks a lot to Sean and all former and current Openmoko employees, as
Dale,
The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we
couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality.
If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
that it will be achieved by a
David,
Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
info on that for a long time.
You have a good memory! :-)
Yes, we were working with the Software Freedom Law Center in New York on
our patent strategy.
There was a decision of the US Supreme Court that undid some of
Christoph,
Openmoko phones are MP3-free and thus do not infringe on any MP3
intellectual property.
Wolfgang
Christoph Pulster wrote:
It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
support in areas like the
Hi everybody,
(sorry for the cross-posting, I thought spreading the word about
gta02-core and new stuff from Openmoko was worth it...)
Today Openmoko released additional pieces of documentation about
Freerunner hardware: board outline, footprints and netlist.
Same as all other releases before -
Hi everybody,
Monday was the first day after Chinese New Year, and the first day in
our new office in Xindian, a bit outside of Taipei, in the vicinity of
many other interesting tech companies.
So far we find lots of good restaurants all around, very nice...
Two pictures from the new office
Sarton,
this is a great mail, spot on, thank you very much.
Wolfgang
On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:27 PM, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
Gothnet wrote:
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
Why? What is it that you expect the Neo Freerunner to do that the
other
handheld devices out there won't? You
,
Wolfgang
On Jan 31, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Michael Buesch wrote:
On Saturday 31 January 2009 04:41:46 Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
Mirko and others that helped here,
this is great stuff, congratulations!
- kernel (2.6.28) is building and booting (merging the Openmoko and
OpenWrt patchsets, whereof one
is making incredible progress, so
whenever you are ready to uptick to a more recent vanilla version,
andy-tracking should already be there.
Best Regards,
Wolfgang
On Feb 1, 2009, at 12:50 AM, Michael Buesch wrote:
On Saturday 31 January 2009 17:32:53 Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
Michael,
No we take
Tschaka,
4) GTA03?
Or would u rather advise me to wait for GTA03?
No, definitely not.
First of all GTA03 is still a long way out, at least 6 months, maybe
9, maybe more.
But more importantly, at Openmoko you cannot assume that GTA03 = GTA02
+ new hardware features.
When Sean started the
Mirko and others that helped here,
this is great stuff, congratulations!
- kernel (2.6.28) is building and booting (merging the Openmoko and
OpenWrt patchsets, whereof one (and that's not ours ;)) consists of
either over 620 little non-atomic patches or one 10MB patchblob
[kudos to
David,
the optimization team finished their work a few weeks ago, most people
were working on new tasks already.
I knew before I had to take the blame for expectations that got
unprofessionally raised to a level where we could not deliver, and
here I am now taking the blame.
Let me explain
Bernd,
i am sure there will still be optimization, but without a dedicated
team, so there won't be regular updates.
Correct.
From my perspective the updates weren't helpful anyway, I'd rather
not talk and instead deliver.
The latest image, including all optimizations from the optimization
Justyn,
lots of changes in our hardware team, we hired some great new
engineers, Adam Wang (production engineer), Ivorin Chen (layout
engineer), Tully Gehan (mechanical engineer), Eva Lin (project
coordinator).
Working on more...
As for MokoForesight, Shawn Lin left a while ago, so the whole
Justyn,
I do hope Openmoko are giving the connectivity of the phone the
weighting
it deserves. ... However, for an increasing portion of the market it
is becoming
expected in any new smart phone.
...
So this email is about making sure that it is known that there is a
market of people
Lally,
how long is OM going to be using the Glamo?
The glamo will be kept for the lifetime of gta02, i.e. every gta02
will have the glamo chip.
For gta03, release date unknown, the decision is to not have a glamo,
we use the acceleration of the SoC.
The GTA02's been on the brink of
Timo,
You will find echo fixed in Openmoko's 2008.11 release, if you keep
using the Openmoko distro, and responsiveness and touch screen
usability will also improve with 2008.11 release. End call / accept
You are right that people are working on these things and fixes appear.
However, please
Tim,
The only threat a patent troll understands is a well funded group of
researchers and lawyers ready and willing to spend millions of dollars
and years of effort to invalidate their prized patent.
Fortunately, such things _do_ exist. I suggest OpenMoko search for,
and solicit help from
Jacob,
Glamo is not a forbidden topic.
Openmoko actually has learnt a lot from this. First we have learnt to
not trust high-level promises as much as before.
In fact I would go as far as saying that going forward, we will not
trust any promises about 'we will open this up later' anymore.
will come out. It's a
long way, maybe another year.
Let's continue to work, join if you haven't joined yet.
Best Regards,
Wolfgang
On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 06:11:30PM +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
built with the Freerunner is awesome. Please
Tom,
Erk... are you able to give any more details about the exact reasons?
The short story is that we are in a protracted battle with some patent
trolls. Google for Sisvel.
In order to get ourselves in a stronger position, we want to make sure
no copies/instances/whatever of patent-infested
Rod,
It seems that access was granted sometime between then and now
oh great, I'm happy to hear that.
Maybe we don't talk about it enough publicly: We have an 'admin trac'
issue tracker, that _EVERYBODY_ can use to send requests to the
Openmoko admins.
This is a public resource, same as
healthy to me. Our main focus should be to get hardware and software
quality up, better design, low price, 100% open.
Wolfgang
On Oct 12, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Rod Whitby wrote:
Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
Openmoko — how many are subscribed to your email lists?
announce: 11187
community: 2240
Risto,
Openmoko — how many are subscribed to your email lists?
announce: 11187
community: 2240
devel: 1218
openmoko-kernel: 640
We have some statistics at https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/
The statistics there are very IT/tech focused, but I think roh gismo
will be open-minded to improve
when the tickets change state ...
Nice, thanks!
I'm not sure roh or gismo are reading this, if not you may have to
file a ticket in admin-trac :-)
Wolfgang
On Oct 12, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Rod Whitby wrote:
Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
Rod,
It seems that access was granted sometime between
vale,
i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for
Openmoko.
It is, and for Atheros too.
We are working on improving the driver (there are several driver
variants actually), we are working on getting all of this into
mainline kernel.org, we are working with Atheros
Treviño,
However there's another question to Openmoko: another important
developer left openmoko; unfortunately he's not the first of the list.
Why this happens so often? In every message I've read about, it's
always
stated that there's no so much openness as it should be.
This happens
Bill,
sms mode. The bug was closed with what to an English speaker means
its working, so go away. This certainly teed me right off. In
...
Yes, I am still peeved by the way the bug was closed - why bother
raising bugs when it results in actions like this? Its all very well
saying its
Jeffery,
can you add the Atom chip to our 'Chip Scouting' section at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoForesight
?
Also in the future, any hardware related mails should go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am getting our Electrical Engineers to subscribe to that list, and
we do take the Chip Scouting
Dear Helmut,
your priorities are our priorities _BUT_ it will still take quite a
while, yes.
From what you write, you seem to be indeed the perfect customer we
are focusing our efforts on.
You have a Linux system on your desktop or notebook already, you are
looking for a phone that works
We are planning just that, give us a bit of time to sort things out
after the Om 2008.8 release.
Wolfgang
On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Matt wrote:
I think Openmoko could take a leaf from the book of Debian.
Their Stable/Unstable/Testing approach allows users to pick the build
which suits
Maybe I should add that the binary Om 2008.8 release is for GTA02 only
right now.
For GTA01, we have no big plan yet but we will look at it next. The
biggest problem that stops us is that we are extremely low on GTA01
phones :-)
I am only aware of 1 (ONE) functioning GTA01 in the Taipei
Dear Kevin,
thanks for writing your review, for us at Openmoko nothing is better
than a genuine reality check from outside.
Executive summary first: I understand that we have not done a very
good job at communicating our software strategy, and I accept
responsibility for that.
In detail,
Lorn,
Qtopia development is fairly closed. We do take contributions,
depending
on our roadmap, but consider that we need to sell it however we like
(non GPL), we ask for copyright assignment, or a very liberal license
like BSD. This is mainly for large features. Small bug fixes cannot be
, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
Alejandro -
This issue does not look good. Is there someone in Openmoko or FIC
aware of it?
Aware of it? You must be kidding.
Dear Wolfgang,
there remains one question that the community has to you and it is
even
more important than the question why
Alejandro -
This issue does not look good. Is there someone in Openmoko or FIC
aware of it?
Aware of it? You must be kidding.
Pretty much everybody at Openmoko, including Sean our beloved leader,
reads the mailing lists. All mailing lists.
Then we have internal mailing lists, and if you
Dear Marcus,
your mail touches many subjects and let me just pick out a few:
First of all thanks for buying 4 phones from us! We are still an 'Open
Source project' more than a company and people need to believe in the
bigger picture to buy from us now.
Believe it or not - we all eat our own
thank you so much!
You cannot believe how hard people at Openmoko work and getting a mail
like yours rewards many of us for 12+ hours working days.
It's a long way, lots of hardware and software bugs, we know it. I
like your 'bad teeth' analogy :-)
Wolfgang
On Jul 7, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Tilman
Ron -
I think a lot of people hate QT so much that they don't even see
anymore that GTK+ still lives and grows as before!
Yes, we brought Qt/Qtopia into Openmoko, on top of X so it can co-
exist with GTK+ and EFL.
There never has been a 'GTK+ stack'. What is a 'GTK+ stack'?
Hopefully the
Michael,
both the GTA01 and GTA02 zip files have those .1 extensions inside.
The files were created independently (GTA01 by me, GTA02 by Will).
There is nothing duplicate in the zip file, everything has .1
extensions.
I would be careful about renaming file extensions without checking in
Dear khang,
Is OpenMoko CPE a good choice for niche or special
applications or not ???
Any ideas ?
If not , many of the developers will go for Android .
That is not good .
Let me use this opportunity to talk a bit about Openmoko and Android.
First of all we
I like this idea, I think this is legally OK and if we are open and
honest about it, may even become an accepted practice known to our
vendors.
Need to do some more checks on that...
Wolfgang
On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Harald Welte wrote:
On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:32:31AM +0100, Tom
Dear Hervé,
here is my perspective:
Most chip vendors see their business in selling chips. Documentation
is just a necessary evil to them, they are trying to get away with the
minimum amount of documentation that will still sell the chip.
Unless in very few cases, chip vendors do not see good
; List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner spare parts
Am Mi 26. März 2008 schrieb clare:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
This is pretty much finished on my end.
Nokia BL-6C.
Allen Lin did tests (we could only get BL-5C so far, also works
cool. Should we create a wiki page to collect the results?
Wolfgang
On Mar 17, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Erin Yueh wrote:
Hi List,
We'd like to ask your kindly helps on network registration by using
your NEO devices. Particularly, the network from T-Mobile in UK,
ATT in USA, and Vodafone in
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/104672
Was always good to read his latest 'angry thoughts', and I'm sure many
people in the Free Software scene in Germany will miss him.
---
MIT The Tech, April 1985:
I think the computer has from the beginning been a fundamentally
conservative
Tony -
... and what's the quantities you want to buy. I think if we could
buy their whole company, the openness should not be an issue anyway.
But before that happens, ...
FANTASTIC!
Tony, your explanation settles this topic once and for all...
Way to go!
Wolfgang
On Feb 16, 2008, at
Andy -
class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it
will
ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw according to
availability and so on, but I hope it will.)
Yes, I think we can confirm that every GTA02 will ship with this new
'smart' battery.
There are more
Andy (or anyone else),
if the whole back of the Neo would be a solar panel, and you would put
it back side up into direct sunlight, say for 5 hours, how much could
that charge the battery?
Could you operate the phone without a battery (and without USB) power
if you were standing in
Dear Community,
Some of our chips or chipsets contain proprietary firmware in flash
memory. For example, in GTA02 these include the Wi-Fi, GPS, and GSM
chipsets.
Ideally, we would have liked to use chipsets for which even the
firmware code would be free, but they don't exist right now.
So
internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because
they travel at different speeds :-)
Wolfgang
On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
JW wrote:
so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet?
Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2
JW -
Should i just go ahead and change the core structure to being
correct and the
rest will follow?Is there someone overlooking wiki structure?
Yes, I think you can move ahead with those changes.
Let's see what others are saying...
It seems to me there is now a clear structure
1)
JW, Pietro, roh -
OK, the confusion even exist within OpenMoko :-)
So it's definitely something we need to find out soon.
I think it's like JW said, roh thinks it's like Pietro said.
Stay tuned, we will find out soon...
Wolfgang
On Feb 3, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Joachim Steiger wrote:
Pietro m0nt0
Has JavaFX been released?
Can you point me to JavaFX sources you would like to see running on
the Neo (URLs please, Sun's websites are a real maze, almost rivaling
our wiki :-))?
afaik there will be JavaFX Mobile and JavaFX Script.
Rest assured that we will work hard to get all this stuff
Bzzt, thanks for playing. There is a Java 1.4 (SE) Technology
Preview for ARM that you can download; this has been available for
about 6 months. Unfortunately it doesn't play nice with the
particular shared library versions that are installed on OpenMoko,
and at that point I gave up.
Not
Wow, Asterisk on a phone sounds great. Thanks for getting this started.
fyi, anyone creating ipkgs for OpenMoko: If you are building FOSS apps
(like Asterisk), please send us a mail at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and make sure you point us to your recipe or just attach it.
So we can include it in
QTopia). But it will probably NOT be easily miscible with the
OpenMoko software. It's a complete phone stack, like OpenMoko, like
Android, like QTopia.
You can run QTopia on OpenMoko today.
See
http://qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php
Once JavaFX, Android are available, we will work on
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