[Debconf-team] another impediment to contract signing

2012-11-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
The fundraising team has been in discussions with the local canton about receiving a subsidy or sponsorship Sometimes Government agencies only give this type of money if they feel there is a risk that the event will go to another region/city On this basis alone, I think we should allow these

Re: [Debconf-team] another impediment to contract signing

2012-11-27 Thread Raphaël Walther
Hi Daniel, On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 08:43:16AM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: The fundraising team has been in discussions with the local canton about receiving a subsidy or sponsorship As far as I know, we didn't ask formally the canton so far but only an office which depends on the canton. I am

Re: [Debconf-team] another impediment to contract signing

2012-11-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 27/11/12 10:12, Raphaël Walther wrote: Hi Daniel, On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 08:43:16AM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: The fundraising team has been in discussions with the local canton about receiving a subsidy or sponsorship As far as I know, we didn't ask formally the canton so far

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, (dropping cc:s as everyone is subscribed...) I tried to inniate a conversation with Moray and Gunnar last night, but sadly failed, so here are my thoughts only. My general comment is, that I have not seen any new arguments in the last seven days or so. (I also spoke with Ana on Sunday

[Debconf-team] chair decission how to proceed (was Re: Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Moray, hi Gunnar, I think we need to get together and decide what we as chairs want to do. Can we please either discuss this via (private) mail (between ourselves) or on some irc channel? I'm happy to share our discussion after the fact, but I would like a sole discussion between us three,

Re: [Debconf-team] another impediment to contract signing

2012-11-27 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au writes: The fundraising team has been in discussions with the local canton about receiving a subsidy or sponsorship Sometimes Government agencies only give this type of money if they feel there is a risk that the event will go to another region/city I

Re: [Debconf-team] LeCamp - Approval of budget and signing the contract

2012-11-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
I've spent the morning digging into the budget, contract, bylaws, and asking clarifications to Philipp (on IRC, due to time constraints) who has been very kind and helpful. I'll provide an answer to the budget approval later on today. But first, I'd like to address a couple of budget-related

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Ana Guerrero
Answering this email because I have been named. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:51PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: My general comment is, that I have not seen any new arguments in the last seven days or so. (I also spoke with Ana on Sunday for more than an hour, and while I learned several

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Holger Levsen
On Dienstag, 27. November 2012, Ana Guerrero wrote: you started the discussion trying to find out what is my bigger problem with the intention of trying to calm down that. I'm glad you know my intentions better than I do./sarcasm Based on this assumption I dont think I have to reply much to

Re: [Debconf-team] chair decission how to proceed (was Re: Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Moray Allan
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:51 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: I think we need to get together and decide what we as chairs want to do. Can we please either discuss this via (private) mail (between ourselves) or on some irc channel? I'm happy to share our discussion after the fact, but I would

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Moray Allan
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:39 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: 4.) Le Camp has luxury options (if you manage to share a car) Plenty of hotels are in 20km range of Le Camp, which amounts to 30min driving at most. Considering most people (who dont work at home) have a longer daily communte to work,

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Moray Allan
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:39 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Or maybe, if Le Camp agrees once again to delay the signing, people will believe those who say that Le Camp is a nice trustworthy organisation This is either misunderstanding people's concerns or a straw man argument: no one is saying

Re: [Debconf-team] LeCamp - Approval of budget and signing the contract

2012-11-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:47:15PM +0100, Philipp Hug wrote: As the DPL has the final oversight how Debian spends it's money and how the Debian brand is used, I'm also asking him for approval of the budget As mentioned before, I dug into the budget, related documents, some debconf-team

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Herman Robak
På Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:01:41 +0100, skrev Moray Allan mo...@sermisy.org: I am unhappy that new concerns are being raised at this stage. However, unfortunately I *did* see new information from these latest discussions. [...] And I had simply assumed that there was a bathroom per one or two

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Hermann, On Dienstag, 27. November 2012, Herman Robak wrote: Drastical solution: Sex-segregated houses. please stop posting solutions. we are here to look for problems. scnr, Holger ___ Debconf-team mailing list

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi Moray Allan mo...@sermisy.org writes: On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:39 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Or maybe, if Le Camp agrees once again to delay the signing, people will believe those who say that Le Camp is a nice trustworthy organisation This is either misunderstanding people's

Re: [Debconf-team] chair decission how to proceed (was Re: Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hi Holger, As I just told you on IRC, I refrained from posting because I mistakenly understood your request to comment between us rather than on the list as a request to wait for some further information or opinion from you... And I carried on with $otherstuff. As you now requested explicit

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:16:12PM +0100, Herman Robak wrote: På Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:01:41 +0100, skrev Moray Allan mo...@sermisy.org: I am unhappy that new concerns are being raised at this stage. However, unfortunately I *did* see new information from these latest discussions. [...] And

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:24:04PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Moray Allan mo...@sermisy.org writes: On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:39 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Or maybe, if Le Camp agrees once again to delay the signing, people will believe those who say that Le Camp is a nice trustworthy

Re: [Debconf-team] Regarding DebConf13 planned location

2012-11-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 27/11/12 11:39, Holger Levsen wrote: And as for personal privacy (as opposed to hacking privacy), Interlaken would only provide this for the rich, who can afford there own hotel room. For Actually, it is Switzerland as a whole that only provides for the rich. It is complete nonsense

[Debconf-team] Measuring DebConf success (Was: Regarding DebConf13 planned location)

2012-11-27 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, in several mails (not only the quoted mail) people were talking about qualitative measures in terms of failure vs. success and we now even try to apply a quantitaive measure: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 03:45:13PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: E.g. (note, numbers are *entirely hypothetical*):

Re: [Debconf-team] Measuring DebConf success (Was: Regarding DebConf13 planned location)

2012-11-27 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 27/11/12 19:42, Andreas Tille wrote: What I want to say is: There is neither any objective nor most probably any subjective measure to declare a DebConf a success or failure. The only thing we can really measure is the surplus / dept a DebConf created. I also would not fully agree that