On 16/03/13 23:43, Daniel Pocock wrote:
No other country has such intricate data sharing/snooping arrangements
I should go back over more of my old emails to find predictions about
what will be in the news tomorrow
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We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
not the right time to get too much into the details on how and what
offers to make - Lets first decide on the bids. Stating the visa
problem is enough for now. We should later come to decisions on how to
implement a workaround
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:50:28AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
Agreed that it is possible to subtract from the stats those people who
already have a 10 year US visa.
I'm mostly staying out of this decision because I'm too busy, as I said, but -
many of the visas that got approved in
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
not the right time to get too much into the details on how and what
offers to make - Lets first decide on the bids. Stating the visa
problem is enough for now. We
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:16:22PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
[... a lot of stuff removed...]
Could you please re-read my email? I said it had nothing to do with the
on-going discussion w.r.t USA. I think Daniel got very sensible answers
and he should realize now it is time to stop.
Le lundi, 18 mars 2013 17.32:12, Ana Guerrero a écrit :
I think Daniel got very sensible answers
and he should realize now it is time to stop.
So we do agree, great!
Ignoring some stuff because you think they will be solved or workarounded
later is not a good
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:50:41PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
Ignoring some stuff because you think they will be solved or workarounded
later is not a good idea at the choosing bid stage as we have seen this
year.
I didn't understand from Gunnar's mail that he is ignoring the
Ana Guerrero dijo [Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 06:11:57PM +0100]:
My comment is meta to what Gunnar is saying:
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals. But it is
not the right time to get too much into the details on
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:20:32AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Ana Guerrero dijo [Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 06:11:57PM +0100]:
My comment is meta to what Gunnar is saying:
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:28:52AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
We will find unacceptable lines with each of the proposals.
Hi Jimmy,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:29:15AM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
There were of course some visa denials, but way fewer than feared, and we
did have approvals even from countries where the worries were strongest
(e.g. Venezuela and Central America).
I would actually not have
Hi Steve,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:27:46AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:29:15AM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
There were of course some visa denials, but way fewer than feared, and we
did have approvals even from countries where the worries were strongest
(e.g.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:50:28AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
And just writing off those people who resent the idea of being
fingerprinted like a criminal as `conscientious objectors' is not
helpful.
What is not helpful is your attempting to draw the bid team into a
protracted argument about
On 18/03/13 20:24, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
While Daniel Pocock is technically right about the structure of US visa law
where the burden is on the applicant to prove nonimmigrant intent, he's wrong
about hard it was overall for DebConf10 visa applicants to overcome that
burden.
I didn't make
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:41:54PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
In the case of those people denied visas, were they sponsored? Did they
have financial losses and was it possible to compensate them?
I don't think DebConf10 sponsored those fees in that situation - but I really
don't remember.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 03:59:01PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:41:54PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
In the case of those people denied visas, were they sponsored? Did they
have financial losses and was it possible to compensate them?
I don't think DebConf10
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 01:24:35PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 03:59:01PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 08:41:54PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
In the case of those people denied visas, were they sponsored? Did they
have financial losses
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 01:05:22PM -0700, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Sonntag, 17. März 2013, Christian PERRIER wrote:
About this topic : from my own experience, I would advise *against*
targeting a big conference room, except maybe for opening/closing
sessions (ok, that puts aside the
On 17/03/13 01:30, Steve Langasek wrote:
Hi Gunnar,
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 07:26:26PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
And as the mails I just sent, some salient questions for you:
USA, the eternal debate
===
First, there's the obvious issue of going to the USA. Several
Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org):
In that case, I think the best option would probably be to rent the ballroom
(600 person capacity) for just the opening and closing plenaries. I avoided
including this in the bid originally because I know the video team prefers
not to have to move
Hi,
On Sonntag, 17. März 2013, Christian PERRIER wrote:
About this topic : from my own experience, I would advise *against*
targeting a big conference room, except maybe for opening/closing
sessions (ok, that puts aside the difficulty of setting up a romm only
for two sessions, for the video
Hi,
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 20:19 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
On 16/03/13 19:56, Allison Randal wrote:
On 03/16/2013 10:27 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
The bid itself doesn't specify anything about the above, it just gives a
link to DC10, which leaves me feeling that the bid team has
On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 08:53 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
On 17/03/13 01:30, Steve Langasek wrote:
Hi Gunnar,
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 07:26:26PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
And as the mails I just sent, some salient questions for you:
USA, the eternal debate
===
On 16/03/13 04:07, micah anderson wrote:
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes:
USA, the eternal debate
===
There is also this tradition we have of not repeating countries. Of
course, being the USA such a large country, and being its Debian
population so large, I would not
On 03/16/2013 10:27 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
The bid itself doesn't specify anything about the above, it just gives a
link to DC10, which leaves me feeling that the bid team has
underestimated the seriousness of these issues.
https://www.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/VisaAndBorderIssues
The
On 16/03/13 19:56, Allison Randal wrote:
On 03/16/2013 10:27 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
The bid itself doesn't specify anything about the above, it just gives a
link to DC10, which leaves me feeling that the bid team has
underestimated the seriousness of these issues.
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 06:27:30PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
My own feeling: countries like the US and Australia shouldn't bother
holding major events like DebConf ...
The visas and border problems are not limited to US and Australia
and what we have to check every year is we have the
On 16/03/13 20:21, Ana Guerrero wrote:
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 06:27:30PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
My own feeling: countries like the US and Australia shouldn't bother
holding major events like DebConf ...
The visas and border problems are not limited to US and Australia
And sometimes
Hi Gunnar,
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 07:26:26PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
And as the mails I just sent, some salient questions for you:
USA, the eternal debate
===
First, there's the obvious issue of going to the USA. Several European
DebConf usual attendees voiced their
And as the mails I just sent, some salient questions for you:
USA, the eternal debate
===
First, there's the obvious issue of going to the USA. Several European
DebConf usual attendees voiced their opposition (and some didn't
travel) to DebConf10, and several non-first-world
On 03/15/2013 06:26 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Proposed venue
==
I feel the proposed work rooms you mention for the venue somewhat
small. Quoting from the Wiki:
One main plenary room with capacity for 200. This room has
removable partitions that convert it into two talk
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes:
USA, the eternal debate
===
There is also this tradition we have of not repeating countries. Of
course, being the USA such a large country, and being its Debian
population so large, I would not give much weight to the argument, but
I
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