Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-04 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: The question of shower ratios and privacy thereof concerns me far more than anything else that's been mentioned, as I see no way to solve this that isn't going to leave our female DDs disproportionately uncomfortable and/or discouraged from coming. If

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Martin Wuertele
[please don't CC me, I am subscribed] * Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org [2012-12-02 15:53]: (..) We can have this in other locations that are not le camp. I also like things this way. But a debconf that is discriminating people to go doesn't seem to be very familyish to me. The

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:22:16AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: The discrimination part seems to me is a subjective opinion that is not shared by everyone. At least that is the impression I get from the discussions over the last weeks (please not that I've been following debconf-team for

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Philip Hands
Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org writes: In le Camp, the possibilities of affordable hotel are *far* away and you need a car, le Camp is served by public transportation but it is very limiting. (Somebody added in the wiki the distances by bike, but I don't know anyone who travels packing a bike

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org [2012-12-03 11:43]: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:22:16AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: The discrimination part seems to me is a subjective opinion that is not shared by everyone. At least that is the impression I get from the discussions over the last weeks

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:22:24PM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: * Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org [2012-12-03 11:43]: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:22:16AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: I haven't heard that this is the case, what I read on the list is that there are buildings specifically for

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 11:12:47AM +, Philip Hands wrote: Have you not met Paul Sladen? ? As I said long ago, Le Camp (when considered as a DebConf venue) is family hostile, and for the same reasons is comfort-loving-corporate hostile, and also for those other cases you mention.

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, we are long aware of the issues at Le Camp as we are aware about issues at other locations, this is precisly *why* we choose Le Camp, because long evaluations considering up and downsides of several options have resulted in Le Camp being our best option for a great DebConf in Switzerland.

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
On 03.12.2012 12:43, Ana Guerrero wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:22:24PM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: * Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org [2012-12-03 11:43]: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:22:16AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: I haven't heard that this is the case, what I read on the list is

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 03/12/12 13:42, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, we are long aware of the issues at Le Camp as we are aware about issues at other locations, this is precisly *why* we choose Le Camp, because long evaluations considering up and downsides of several options have resulted in Le Camp being our

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 01:42:43PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Especially given the overwhelming impact of the discrimination effects of _money_, which is an extremly great factor for any DebConf in Switzerland, I think Le Camp is a very good choice. We will be more equal there than in most

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Riku Voipio
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 11:44:54AM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: We also have contributors who are tall, and le Camp beds do not seem suited for tall people (more than 190cm), some people might camp, but some others prefer a bed. A lot of people can get by 1-2 days, but a full week can be a

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 11:12:47AM +, Philip Hands wrote: Ana Guerrero a...@debian.org writes: In le Camp, the possibilities of affordable hotel are *far* away and you need a car, le Camp is served by public transportation but it is very limiting. (Somebody added in the wiki the

[Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-02 Thread Martin Wuertele
Hi, since quite a lot of mails have been writte about evolution of Debconf let me add my share. I've attended the debconfs in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2011. For me the all-time best was Porto Alegre in 2004. And that solely because it was for me the best mixture between numbers of

Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts

2012-12-02 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 02:01:05PM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: Hi, since quite a lot of mails have been writte about evolution of Debconf let me add my share. I've attended the debconfs in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2011. For me the all-time best was Porto Alegre in 2004. And that