Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-06-01 Thread Jason White
*Subject:* Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader What was the "something else"?  I don't know, and I can't tell you unless you tell me. This page says you will have choices, but doesn't list the c

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-06-01 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I found the name of the Debian CLI menu system. It is "pdmenu" written by Joey Hess, j...@kitenet.net It's at this URL: pdmenu (joeyh.name) Pdmenu is a full screen menuing system for Unix. It is designed to be easy to use, and is suitable as a login shell for inexperienced users, or it can just

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-31 Thread K0LNY
;K0LNY" Cc: "Geoff Shang" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 11:30 AM Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-31 Thread Sam Hartman
> "D" == D J J Ring, writes: D> I deleted the Virtual Debian installation and reinstalled just D> picking #12, standard system utilities. D> This time I had no networking like I had with the Default D> installation, 1, 7, and 12. D> Also the programs nmcli and nmtui

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-31 Thread K0LNY
ic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader wpa_supplicant is also not installed when you only choose item 12. After the debian installation, I had to get a copy of the dev file and install it before I could connect to the internet. --

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-31 Thread David Hoff Jr
wpa_supplicant is also not installed when you only choose item 12. After the debian installation, I had to get a copy of the dev file and install it before I could connect to the internet. --

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-30 Thread K0LNY
- From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. To: K0LNY Cc: Geoff Shang ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 11:21 PM Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader Glenn, I just installed in a Virtual environment using

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
gt; "something else". > Glenn > > - Original Message - > *From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. > *To:* K0LNY > *Cc:* Geoff Shang ; > debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2023 11:01 PM > *Subject:* Re: How to Install Basic Debian

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-30 Thread K0LNY
Networking and screen reader What was the "something else"? I don't know, and I can't tell you unless you tell me. This page says you will have choices, but doesn't list the choices: 6.3. Using Individual Components (debian.org) It does say that right at package selectio

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and > screen reader > > Glenn, > > You didn't say what choice #13 is. > > Just select nothing at all. > > Then get smxi and install your console browsers and utilities. > > SMXI always is at http://sm

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-30 Thread K0LNY
. To: K0LNY Cc: Geoff Shang ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:46 PM Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader Glenn, You didn't say what choice #13 is. Just select nothing at all. Then get smxi

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
desktop install, > because if I accidentally did that, the OMV won't install, and I would > have > to start over with my Debian CLI setup. > Glenn > - Original Message - > From: "Geoff Shang" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:52 AM > S

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-30 Thread K0LNY
Debian CLI setup. Glenn - Original Message - From: "Geoff Shang" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:52 AM Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader On Tue, 30 May 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: I don't even know what you're

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-30 Thread Geoff Shang
On Tue, 30 May 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: I don't even know what you're talking about. If I knew what your message meant and how to do it, I'd gladly do it, but I don't understand your message, someone here must. In Debian, there is a package called tasksel. The program that it provides

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Hello Samuel, I don't even know what you're talking about. If I knew what your message meant and how to do it, I'd gladly do it, but I don't understand your message, someone here must. It's much too advanced for me. Could someone here do what Samuel suggested? I think it would turn out very

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread Ian. C. Bray
I have had fairly good results when trying the boot – – wait – and – select – option – (lol)! Method of installation.what I mean by that is this: once I can manage to get the boot menu for my particular bios, to allow me to boot, whatever media be at CD, ROM, or USB, high, then wait sufficiently

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread Samuel Thibault
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 28 mai 2023 22:33:44 -0400, a ecrit: > It should be an explicit choice to have a configured Debian Command Line > Interface (CLI) Text Mode. IIRC, I already explained here that this can be implemented as a "task" in the installer. It is thus a matter of somebody

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread Geoff Shang
On Sun, 28 May 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: Hello, How do users install a basic Debian Command Line Interface (CLI) system with networking and NO Desktop Environmens or Desktop Manager installed? It's a little while since I've done it, but all I usually do is run the netinst image and not

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
nfirmation to continue. There is a lynx.conf file circulating informally in blind email lists that someone has edited all the needed parts of the extremely long lynx.cfg file. Even for a sighted person that lynx.cfg file is huge and difficult to read but with a screen reader it's nearly

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread K0LNY
y 29, 2023 12:02 PM Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader On 5/29/23 16:07, K0LNY wrote: Not only that, then what is the list for if we can't ask questions? The other choice is read, read, read. I do look on-line for answers, for things I did know,

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread john doe
On 5/29/23 16:07, K0LNY wrote: Not only that, then what is the list for if we can't ask questions? The other choice is read, read, read. I do look on-line for answers, for things I did know, but forgot, often my answer is in the search results page, and I don't even have to open the link. But a

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread K0LNY
who would like assistance, not admonishment. Glenn - Original Message - From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 2:39 AM Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader That's what I

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
That's what I do, I read the documents. But it's unclear which selection is without the DE (Desktop Environment). So much depends on advanced knowledge when reading these documents. This should not be necessary for a person coming to Debian to install the most simplest system of all: A Command

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-29 Thread john doe
On 5/29/23 04:33, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: I've had it work that way Martin, but it's not working for Glenn. I also don't understand what you mean by "I start the installer with medium priority" - I've never seen a choice. It's there in the advance mode, mind the accessibility wiki! It

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-28 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I've had it work that way Martin, but it's not working for Glenn. I also don't understand what you mean by "I start the installer with medium priority" - I've never seen a choice. It should be an explicit choice to have a configured Debian Command Line Interface (CLI) Text Mode. It should be

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-28 Thread K0LNY
PM Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader Hello David, When I’m installing a Debian system without a GUI, I start the installer with medium priority, and skip the step “Select and install software”. That way, a basic Debian system is installed, a

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-28 Thread Odd Martin Baanrud
Hello David, When I’m installing a Debian system without a GUI, I start the installer with medium priority, and skip the step “Select and install software”. That way, a basic Debian system is installed, and if you configured networking during the process, it will be available on the installed

How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

2023-05-28 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Hello, How do users install a basic Debian Command Line Interface (CLI) system with networking and NO Desktop Environmens or Desktop Manager installed? For years Debian had a CLI manager that gave us choices of different command line programs. I thought the Default install marked Debian was

Re: Request for review of release-notes item: GTK4 apps are not accessible with screen reader

2023-05-07 Thread Jason White
will be to choose an alternative desktop environment, or (especially as time passes) to evaluate whether the version of GNOME in testing/unstable meets their screen reader access needs.

Request for review of release-notes item: GTK4 apps are not accessible with screen reader

2023-05-07 Thread Paul Gevers
reduced accessibility support for screen readers Many GNOME apps have switched from the GTK3 graphics toolkit to GTK4. Sadly, this has made many apps much less usable with screen readers such as Orca. If you depend on a screen reader you should consider switching to a different desktop such as Mate

Re: webkit and the orca screen reader

2022-10-26 Thread Jordan Livesey
I remember trying out conqueror once which is based on webkit but being kkde plasma, it doesn't work with orca On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 3:02 PM Jordan Livesey wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:29 PM john doe wrote: > >> On 10/26/22 13:14, Jordan Livesey wrote: >> > hello everyone, due to

Re: webkit and the orca screen reader

2022-10-26 Thread Jordan Livesey
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:29 PM john doe wrote: > On 10/26/22 13:14, Jordan Livesey wrote: > > hello everyone, due to google chrome having issues with orca, or any > > chromium based browser for that matter, where orca is reading lines > > Can you expend on the issue(s) you are having? > > >

Re: webkit and the orca screen reader

2022-10-26 Thread john doe
On 10/26/22 13:14, Jordan Livesey wrote: hello everyone, due to google chrome having issues with orca, or any chromium based browser for that matter, where orca is reading lines Can you expend on the issue(s) you are having? regardless of your orca settings, I have decided to try a webkit

webkit and the orca screen reader

2022-10-26 Thread Jordan Livesey
hello everyone, due to google chrome having issues with orca, or any chromium based browser for that matter, where orca is reading lines regardless of your orca settings, I have decided to try a webkit based browser if any are for linux, how accessible is webkit with orca?

Re: Bug#1002976: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-16 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 16 janv. 2022 00:56:17 -0500, a ecrit: > I'm just trying to make sure I notify everyone that should know about this, > John. The way to do this is to keep 1002...@bugs.debian.org in the Cc of your mails. Otherwise the information you are providing is scattered in

Re: Bug#1002976: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-16 Thread john doe
On 1/16/2022 1:02 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: How do I send the logs when if I send them the list will send me a rejection notice? I do not know as I do not have that msg infront of me. When you need help providing the errors you are getting is the only way for us to help you. -- John Doe

Re: Bug#1002976: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-16 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
How do I send the logs when if I send them the list will send me a rejection notice? Thanks David On Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 04:15 john doe wrote: > On 1/16/2022 7:46 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > > John, > > > > Missing from this is the information that: > > > > The mini.iso that Samuel provided

Re: Bug#1002976: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-16 Thread john doe
On 1/16/2022 7:46 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: John, Missing from this is the information that: The mini.iso that Samuel provided did not produce sound, unfortunately, I could not access Internet with this iso as I needed firmware to do so. The gall here is to provide the missing sound

Re: Bug#1002976: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-15 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
e that GRUB would override a user's BIOS settings. > > > > If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. > > > > Samuel said ALSA may have fixed the problem but I tried the latest daily > > firmware CD and I still don't get screen reader. > > > > I j

Re: Bug#1002976: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-15 Thread john doe
the computer will boot from USB (or CD/DVD). It doesn't make sense to me that GRUB would override a user's BIOS settings. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. Samuel said ALSA may have fixed the problem but I tried the latest daily firmware CD and I still don't get screen reader. I

Re: Bug#1002976: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-15 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. Samuel said ALSA may have fixed the problem but I tried the latest daily firmware CD and I still don't get screen reader. I just don't understand how Buster could work so well but Bullseye not work at all. Best wishes to all and thanks for your

Re: Bug#1002976: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-15 Thread john doe
On 1/8/2022 9:50 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Hello, D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le lun. 03 janv. 2022 20:47:17 -0500, a ecrit: Here's the files from the Buster installation from /var/log/installer - attached. Ok, thanks! So the "ALC888: SKU not ready 0x0100" message was already there at the time.

Re: Bug#1002976: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le lun. 03 janv. 2022 20:47:17 -0500, a ecrit: > Here's the files from the Buster installation from /var/log/installer - > attached. Ok, thanks! So the "ALC888: SKU not ready 0x0100" message was already there at the time. What's new in bullseye is snd_hda_intel

Re: Fwd: Message with no Package: tag cannot be processed! (installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation)

2022-01-04 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mar. 04 janv. 2022 15:01:23 -0500, a ecrit: > The message got rejected, but they sent me back the message, It didn't get rejected. The problem is that you have kept sub...@bugs.debian.org as recipient of the mail: > From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <[9]n...@arrl.net> > To: 

Re: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
One thing possibly worth noting is this: Jan 3 12:58:44 kernel: [1.769085] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC1D0: ALC888: SKU not ready 0x0100 Jan 3 12:58:44 kernel: [1.769627] snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC1D0: autoconfig for ALC888: line_outs=4 (0x14/0x16/0x15/0x17/0x0) type:line

Re: installation-reports: Installer Does Not Provide Screen Reader in Accessible Installation

2022-01-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, David J. Ring, Jr., le lun. 03 janv. 2022 14:18:39 -0500, a ecrit: [-- Attachement #2: installer.tar.gz --] [-- Type: application/gzip, Encoding: base64, Size: 6,4M --] Could you do the same with a Buster installer, so we can spot the differences? Samuel

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2022-01-03 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
be as successful as obtaining logs DURING the installation, at the very beginning when soundcard is being detected. The installation succeeds but it is not accessible by screen reader during installation. I remember someone told me on this list or the SLINT list told me of a advanced menu that is available

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2022-01-03 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
Hi again David, My understanding is that there are two distinct problems: sound during installation and sound after installation. I think the first problem should be reported as a bug agains the debian installer, if that has not been done yet. Regarding the second problem, what needs to be done

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2022-01-03 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Sébastien, I tried the latest daily installer and it still doesn't work with my sound card, after detection there is no screen reader, so I aborted the installation as I already have Bullseye installed. As noted before I have screen reader in both console and Graphical User Interface, but I

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2022-01-03 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 02:56 Sébastien Hinderer < sebastien.hinde...@ens-lyon.org> wrote: > Hello David, all, > > D.J.J. Ring, Jr. (2021/12/29 21:07 -0500): > > I love Debian but right now I cannot get the latest Debian to install > > correctly, alas. > > Why? Did you report the problem? > >

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2022-01-02 Thread Sébastien Hinderer
Hello David, all, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. (2021/12/29 21:07 -0500): > I love Debian but right now I cannot get the latest Debian to install > correctly, alas. Why? Did you report the problem? Sébastien.

Fwd: Bug#1002921: installation-reports: No Screen Reader, Cannot boot into MATE GUI, Root only can

2021-12-31 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hello, For information, an a11y-related bug report. There were some follow-ups through the BTS already, with some logs. Cheers, -- Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org) D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant --- Begin Message ---

RE: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-30 Thread Jordan Livesey
environments could too. From: Jeffery Mewtamer Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 11:58:48 PM To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader You know, some of us actually prefer the console to running resource intensive

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread chromium
time you neeed a console screen reader, especially on android x86 installation media where you can also include a screen reader for that, On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:02 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: So everybody understands, when I write something about a particular Linux distro not being

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
hat are not debian, which is why calamares was designed for sighted > use and why I see the debian installer last for many years to come, that is > the only time you neeed a console screen reader, especially on android x86 > installation media where you can also include a screen reader

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread the-cellar-restaurant
not recommended to use distros that are not debian, which is why calamares was designed for sighted use and why I see the debian installer last for many years to come, that is the only time you neeed a console screen reader, especially on android x86 installation media where you can also include a screen

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread nownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownownow
good that its not recommended to use distros that are not debian, which is why calamares was designed for sighted use and why I see the debian installer last for many years to come, that is the only time you neeed a console screen reader, especially on android x86 installation media where you can

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread google
was designed for sighted use and why I see the debian installer last for many years to come, that is the only time you neeed a console screen reader, especially on android x86 installation media where you can also include a screen reader for that, On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:02 PM Jude DaShiell

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread google
was designed for sighted use and why I see the debian installer last for many years to come, that is the only time you neeed a console screen reader, especially on android x86 installation media where you can also include a screen reader for that, On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:02 PM Jude DaShiell

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread nandroid
the debian installer last for many years to come, that is the only time you neeed a console screen reader, especially on android x86 installation media where you can also include a screen reader for that, On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:02 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: So everybody understands, when I

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread noddy
that are not debian, which is why calamares was designed for sighted use and why I see the debian installer last for many years to come, that is the only time you neeed a console screen reader, especially on android x86 installation media where you can also include a screen reader for that, On Wed, Dec 29

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread Jordan Livesey
er freequently crashes, > when it comes to accessible distros, debian is just too good that its not > recommended to use distros that are not debian, which is why calamares was > designed for sighted use and why I see the debian installer last for many > years to come, that is the only time

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
You know, some of us actually prefer the console to running resource intensive desktop environments and graphical applications, and since Orca only works in the GUI, console screen readers are a necessity for those who need a screen reader and choose to live in the console. Plus, a console screen

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread Chime Hart
Well Jordan, first of all, an hour ago you sent a huge file 68thousand lines, while including or quoting an item. My Alpine froze for maybe 45seconds or so. Next, you make reference about console screen-readers, but I thought this newer project is only a graphical attempt I myself have never

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread Didier Spaier
Hi Jordan, the quote below make me think that you didn't try Slint yet. On 30/12/2021 00:11, Jordan Livesey wrote: > when it comes to accessible distros, debian is just too > good that its not recommended to use distros that are not debian Link to know what is Slint:

Re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread Jordan Livesey
to use distros that are not debian, which is why calamares was designed for sighted use and why I see the debian installer last for many years to come, that is the only time you neeed a console screen reader, especially on android x86 installation media where you can also include a screen reader

re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

2021-12-29 Thread Jude DaShiell
So everybody understands, when I write something about a particular Linux distro not being accessible I have already downloaded and tested that distro.

Re: Screen Reader

2021-08-02 Thread Aaron
Thanks for the information everyone, I really appreciate the discussion. I feel like I have a much better sense of the issues people are actually facing while browsing the web using screenreaders and how to properly demonstrate the issues to my developer group. Thank you, Aaron

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Chime Hart
Thank you DJ, I got all 152kb of it. Chime

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Jude's links config file in zipped format has permission problems. He gave me the file (or an old version) years ago, and I have it here: http://qsl.net/n1ea/lynxcfg.zip I just tested it and it will download. Best wishes, David On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 9:03 PM D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: >

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Just unzip Jude's file and using root, copy /etc/lynx/lynx.cfg to /etc/lynx/lynx.cfg.original Then copy Judge's file to /etc/lynx.cfg start lynx and enjoy. Thanks Jude. David On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 8:53 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: > my lynx configuration file is at: >

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Jude DaShiell
my lynx configuration file is at: https://www.panix.com/jdashiel/lynxcfg.zip On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote: > I could put my configuration file on my web page. > > > On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: > > > I generally find text-mode web browsers annoying to impossible to

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Jude DaShiell
I could put my configuration file on my web page. On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: > I generally find text-mode web browsers annoying to impossible to work > with(The navigational hotkeys provided by Orca, NVDA, and JAWS are > just too darn useful), but couldn't some of the

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
I generally find text-mode web browsers annoying to impossible to work with(The navigational hotkeys provided by Orca, NVDA, and JAWS are just too darn useful), but couldn't some of the configuration hassles be alleviated by someone who has configured the browser to uplaod their config file

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
in a screen reader is enormous. I do wish the developer would make available a blind or visually impaired curated configuration so we could at least have a working configuration, but this has been asked many times and the answer is always a very polite "No". Regards, David On Fri, Jul 30, 20

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Jude DaShiell
It may be a combination of devices like what's in a proper testing lab. On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Ahmed Hassan wrote: > Well, if we know what device the demonstration will be done on, I believe > we will be able to make more reasonable adjustments >

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Jude DaShiell
owsing is difficult to perform > > > El El vie, 30 jul 2021 a las 21:58, Jude DaShiell > escribi?: > > > VoiceOver can do things Jaws cannot. It's possible to interact with web > > elements using VoiceOver and that's the only screen reader I ever used > > that could do th

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Jason White
: ios, macos ETC) Orca (linux screen reader) NVDA (windows screen reader: free) JAWS (windows screen reader: paid but has a free trial) Kind regards: Ahmed <>

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Rob Whyte
Hi, Orca on Nix or Windblows you can use NVDA or a demo of JAWS. Good luck On 31/07/2021 4:51 am, Aaron wrote: I need to demonstrate the benefits of writing accessible html to my development group, and I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a good screen reader I can use. It doesn't have

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Didier Spaier
, Aaron a écrit : I need to demonstrate the benefits of writing accessible html to my development group, and I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a good screen reader I can use. It doesn't have to be open source, but I'd like it to do a really good job of showing what is possible and how following

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Adrian Orjales
ements using VoiceOver and that's the only screen reader I ever used > that could do that. No Jaws is not perfect, that's why so many updates > and the same holds for narrator and nvda. > Both jaws and nvda need rather much expertise to use them well too. > Fenrir is available for Linux

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Ahmed Hassan
Well, if we know what device the demonstration will be done on, I believe we will be able to make more reasonable adjustments

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Jude DaShiell
VoiceOver can do things Jaws cannot. It's possible to interact with web elements using VoiceOver and that's the only screen reader I ever used that could do that. No Jaws is not perfect, that's why so many updates and the same holds for narrator and nvda. Both jaws and nvda need rather much

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Ahmed Hassan
> > >i have used linux with orca long times > >orca is not perfect but are jaws or nvda perfect? > >or windows narrator? > >we should not talk about surfing the web with voiceover on osx > > Voiceover for macos is slowly becoming a joke. It's unfortunate really >

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread mattias jonsson
a las 21:38, mattias jonsson escribió: orca and talkback are stable. only apple fanboys says anything else Den 30 juli 2021 21:34:59 skrev Adri Orjales : Hi Aron I strongly recommend you to use NVDA. Under my opinion, is the simplest and most stable screen reader. Under Linux

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Adrian Orjales
d you to use NVDA. >> Under my opinion, is the simplest and most stable screen reader. >> >> Under Linux, there are not stable screen readers. Orca can be used if >> there's no other option. >> >> Back to windows, Jaws is good but has a high learning curve. >&g

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Ahmed Hassan
> > >orca and talkback are stable. > Orca has significantly less people working on it than other screen readers. Voiceover for ios can be considered as far more mature and refined than talk back. > > >only apple fanboys says anything else >

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread mattias jonsson
orca and talkback are stable. only apple fanboys says anything else Den 30 juli 2021 21:34:59 skrev Adri Orjales : Hi Aron I strongly recommend you to use NVDA. Under my opinion, is the simplest and most stable screen reader. Under Linux, there are not stable screen readers. Orca can be used

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Adri Orjales
Hi Aron I strongly recommend you to use NVDA. Under my opinion, is the simplest and most stable screen reader. Under Linux, there are not stable screen readers. Orca can be used if there's no other option. Back to windows, Jaws is good but has a high learning curve. In terms of smartphones

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Jude DaShiell
021 9:05 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: > > Well, a list of screen readers: > > Voiceover (apple operating systems: ios, macos ETC) > > Orca (linux screen reader) > > NVDA (windows screen reader: free) > > NVDA is very good to create and interpret HTML pages. > > -- > John Doe > >

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Aaron
On 7/30/21 3:05 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: > Well, a list of screen readers: > Voiceover (apple operating systems: ios, macos ETC) > Orca (linux screen reader) > NVDA (windows screen reader: free) > JAWS (windows screen reader: paid but has a free trial) > Kind regards: Ahmed Th

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread john doe
On 7/30/2021 9:05 PM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: Well, a list of screen readers: Voiceover (apple operating systems: ios, macos ETC) Orca (linux screen reader) NVDA (windows screen reader: free) NVDA is very good to create and interpret HTML pages. -- John Doe

Re: Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Ahmed Hassan
Well, a list of screen readers: Voiceover (apple operating systems: ios, macos ETC) Orca (linux screen reader) NVDA (windows screen reader: free) JAWS (windows screen reader: paid but has a free trial) Kind regards: Ahmed

Screen Reader

2021-07-30 Thread Aaron
I need to demonstrate the benefits of writing accessible html to my development group, and I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a good screen reader I can use. It doesn't have to be open source, but I'd like it to do a really good job of showing what is possible and how following the WCAG

Re: Install Orca screen reader on the server.

2021-07-10 Thread john doe
On 7/10/2021 4:48 PM, Marcel Roșca wrote: Hello! I want to know if "Orca" can be installed on a server without a Desktop environment, because I am a blind person and I would like to install a dedicated server. I don't want to have graphics, so I thought I'd install the orca manually, but I have

Sv: Install Orca screen reader on the server.

2021-07-10 Thread mattias
Sbl?Formerly suse blinux?From the early 2000Skickades från E-post för Windows 10 Från: Jeffery MewtamerSkickat: den 10 juli 2021 18:05Till: mattiasKopia: Marcel Roșca; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.orgÄmne: Re: Install Orca screen reader on the server. Orca is strictly a graphical screen

Re: Install Orca screen reader on the server.

2021-07-10 Thread Jeffery Mewtamer
Orca is strictly a graphical screen reader, but there are options for getting a screen reader up and running in a command-line only environment. Probably the two most widely used options are espeakup and Fenrir. espeakup acts as a bridge between the speakup kernel module and the espeak or espeak

Sv: Install Orca screen reader on the server.

2021-07-10 Thread mattias
NoOrca require gui Skickades från E-post för Windows 10 Från: Marcel RoșcaSkickat: den 10 juli 2021 17:06Till: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.orgÄmne: Install Orca screen reader on the server. Hello! I want to know if "Orca" can be installed on a server without a Desktop environment,

Install Orca screen reader on the server.

2021-07-10 Thread Marcel Roșca
Hello! I want to know if "Orca" can be installed on a server without a Desktop environment, because I am a blind person and I would like to install a dedicated server. I don't want to have graphics, so I thought I'd install the orca manually, but I have no idea how to do that. I have already

Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?

2020-03-14 Thread Alex ARNAUD
Le 14/03/2020 à 16:56, Alan Tu a écrit : I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of Gnome 2. I personally using Mate because it just works. Mate is not just a fork of GNOME2, it's a continuation of GNOME2.

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