Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net (07/02/2013): On 02/07/2013 08:12 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: This list is getting longer with each email. Seeing that syslinux 5 has been in sid for less then 10 days, I'm worried what other issues might show up. apart from the two

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 06 Feb 2013, Bdale Garbee wrote: two at a time. Holding d-i's build dependencies static in unstable for more than half a year is just nuts to me! Sure seems like d-i is something we should build using the components of the release it will be contained in and not unstable... but

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Daniel Baumann
i'm not commenting on unfair accusations, so only to the relevant part: On 02/07/2013 09:00 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: again, note that any other virtualization software, be it in wheezy directly (qemu, kvm) or otherwise (parallels, vmware) which i've tested with, has no bugs with syslinux 5.

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net (07/02/2013): i'm not commenting on unfair accusations, so only to the relevant part: On 02/07/2013 09:00 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: again, note that any other virtualization software, be it in wheezy directly (qemu, kvm) or otherwise

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 02/07/2013 09:59 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: That doesn't mean we should be keeping syslinux 5 in sid in the meanwhile, especially since that's preventing us from releasing d-i wheezy rc1. (ftr) which is where i disagree, with the mentioned patch against d-i and debian-cd, you can release

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 07 Feb 2013, Raphael Hertzog wrote: on the mirror and not in the package repository (the installer directories are shared between wheezy and sid). Cyril pointed out to me that this specific point is wrong, while wheezy/main/installer-* and unstable/main/installer-* have the same content

Re: rfc: growlight as d-i partman replacement

2013-02-07 Thread nick black
Christian PERRIER left as an exercise for the reader: I'd like to followup on your suggestion as it seems well thought and prepared and not just one idea thrown in the wild as I was initially thinking (sorry for this). Thanks for your kind words, christian! i'm still wondering what people

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net (07/02/2013): (ftr) which is where i disagree, with the mentioned patch against d-i and debian-cd, you can release d-i wheezy rc1, even with syslinux 5.x in sid. even more so: since steve uses a local copy of syslinux anyway (judging

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 02/07/2013 09:31, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Technically d-i point release updates are built in stable-proposed-updates and build dependencies are satisfied in stable (+ s-p-u maybe). Similarly it should be possible to build d-i for wheezy in testing-proposed-updates right now (and have

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 02/07/2013 10:27 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: That means at least broken mini.iso, which is totally unacceptable. broken without the patch i send for debian-installer, yes. therefore, right now, even without any patches, the only actually affected things are the images within the

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 07:52:13AM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote: consider such a misfeature to be in critical need of a fix (iirc steve puts a local copy of the 'to be used' syslinux version to be used by debian-cd for release images manually on the local fs; not sure about the same that ends up

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Daniel Baumann daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.net (07/02/2013): On 02/07/2013 10:27 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: That means at least broken mini.iso, which is totally unacceptable. broken without the patch i send for debian-installer, yes. If that can't be used with virtualbox (and we

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 10:15:42AM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote: On 02/07/2013 09:59 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: That doesn't mean we should be keeping syslinux 5 in sid in the meanwhile, especially since that's preventing us from releasing d-i wheezy rc1. (ftr) which is where i disagree, with the

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 02/07/2013 10:53 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: If that can't be used with virtualbox (and we already established that, thanks to Michael's testing), that means it's broken with your patch too. as already elaborated, the bug in vbox needs to be fixed anyway, regardless what version of syslinux

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Daniel Baumann, le Thu 07 Feb 2013 11:08:55 +0100, a écrit : i've already made the case why i want newer syslinux in sid, I must have missed that, and I can't find it on either bug #699382, 699742 or 699808. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 02/07/2013 11:17 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: I must have missed that, and I can't find it on either bug #699382, 699742 or 699808. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699808#10 -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Donnerbuehlweg 3, CH-3012 Bern Email:

Re: [d-i manual] Deactivate translations?

2013-02-07 Thread Jordi Mallach
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 09:45:55PM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote: So, how hard would it be to convert this thing into a po-based translation? I am in private contact with Innocent De Marchi, who has mailed me because of my mail to debian-l10n-catalan. He has had similar ideas. But

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Joey Hess
Bdale Garbee wrote: Sure seems like d-i is something we should build using the components of the release it will be contained in and not unstable... but I haven't tried to think hard about what that might imply that's problematic. And I certainly don't think this is something we should even

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Joey Hess
Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 07:52:13AM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote: consider such a misfeature to be in critical need of a fix (iirc steve puts a local copy of the 'to be used' syslinux version to be used by debian-cd for release images manually on the local fs; not sure

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Joey Hess
Bdale Garbee wrote: patch d-i to build successfully against the syslinux in sid syslinux is GPL'd, so this would result in shipping d-i images in wheezy which contain a GPL'd binary for which there is no source in wheezy. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org (07/02/2013): This can be done easily, just upload d-i to t-p-u. d-i uploads are already built with udebs from testing, for similar reasons. There seems to be an unholy fear of using t-p-u for anything these days, which I don't really understand. Even when not

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 02/07/2013 02:14 PM, Joey Hess wrote: Howver, that is not the only image provided by Debian that uses syslinux. The d-i mini.iso is another one, which uses the syslinux provided by d-i's Build-Depedency, ie the one from unstable. that has already been discussed in earlier messages. --

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Joey Hess
Cyril Brulebois wrote: Joey Hess jo...@debian.org (07/02/2013): This can be done easily, just upload d-i to t-p-u. d-i uploads are already built with udebs from testing, for similar reasons. There seems to be an unholy fear of using t-p-u for anything these days, which I don't really

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 07.02.2013 14:46, Joey Hess wrote: Cyril Brulebois wrote: Joey Hess jo...@debian.org (07/02/2013): This can be done easily, just upload d-i to t-p-u. d-i uploads are already built with udebs from testing, for similar reasons. There seems to be an unholy fear of using t-p-u for anything

Bug#700026: maybe should have a Build-Depends: syslinux

2013-02-07 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Package: debian-installer Version: 20121114 Severity: normal Hi, in [1] it was mentioned that d-i embeds syslinux on some architectures, but the current version does not include syslinux in its Build-Using field. It might be helpful to include it there to ensure we always keep the source for

Bug#699742: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 01:55:11AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: On a personal note, I'm unsure how we came up with a situation where a single maintainer can *actively* stall a release… Not caring about the release process put into place years ago is a thing. Stopping people from fixing

unblock-udeb for udev 175-7.1

2013-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi all, Apologies for taking as long as I have to get around to sending this mail. I would like to request an unblock of the udev udeb at version 175-7.1. unblock-udeb udev/175-7.1 This package is a prerequisite for having a useful version of upstart in wheezy (bug #686387), and the change

Bug#700026: maybe should have a Build-Depends: syslinux

2013-02-07 Thread Joey Hess
Ansgar Burchardt wrote: in [1] it was mentioned that d-i embeds syslinux on some architectures, but the current version does not include syslinux in its Build-Using field. It might be helpful to include it there to ensure we always keep the source for the embedded version around. d-i

Re: Bug#699808: tech-ctte: syslinux vs the wheezy release

2013-02-07 Thread Philipp Kern
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 10:33:00AM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: As Adam already pointed out we would still need another d-i upload to unstable to make sure unstable has a higher-or-equal version compared to testing. Sometimes I wonder why it cannot simply propagate to the upper suite. We do

Re: rfc: growlight as d-i partman replacement

2013-02-07 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting nick black (nick.bl...@sprezzatech.com): As said, you can find a growlight udeb in the SprezzOS repositories, where it is actively used in our d-i-derived installer: It's quite likely that the first step is then to have growlight in main Debian, isn't it? signature.asc

Re: rfc: growlight as d-i partman replacement

2013-02-07 Thread nick black
Christian PERRIER left as an exercise for the reader: Quoting nick black (nick.bl...@sprezzatech.com): As said, you can find a growlight udeb in the SprezzOS repositories, where it is actively used in our d-i-derived installer: It's quite likely that the first step is then to have

Re: rfc: growlight as d-i partman replacement

2013-02-07 Thread nick black
Karl Goetz left as an exercise for the reader: How will this go for ports, non x86 and non linux? non-x86: there's no x86-specific code in growlight. if all the libraries are available, everything should be fine. will need to support setting up bootloaders on those architectures if they