On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:57:42PM -0500, C Shore wrote:
Abstract
Thanks for your message, this indeed sums up my feeling very well.
As for mediation, seeing the thing go into an impass, i asked Andreas Barth
(on the technical comittee) to mediate on thursday/friday, and went into
offline land,
Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit :
Hi,
I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed
from the project. The process is outlined here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/08/msg5.html
, and I have already completed step 1.
I strongly
Le mardi 14 mars 2006 à 21:01 -0500, Andres Salomon a écrit :
Hi,
I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed
from the project.
If this is a joke, it's not funny. I happen to prefer Andrew Suffield's
humour.
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: :' :
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20
may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20
correctly enough. But AFAICT, I've always seen him apologies when he=20
did so (I can provide links if you
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006, Andres Salomon wrote:
Hi,
Hi!
I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed
from the project.
Hahaha oh wow. You got it the wrong way, you should only do that
_after_ someone posts http://zoy.org/~sam/ftwcal.jpeg to d-d-a. Now I
have no
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed
from the project. The process is outlined here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/08/msg5.html,
and I have already completed step 1.
This
Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your accusation fails to allege sufficient facts to constitute
an allegation of defamation.
The facts have previously been discussed elsewhere. I replied merely to
point out that Sven does not always apologise for his behaviour.
Rather than wasting list
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:25 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit :
Hi,
I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed
from the project. The process is outlined here:
#include hallo.h
* Andres Salomon [Tue, Mar 14 2006, 09:01:09PM]:
harm upon another developer in a public forum, and then a week later
publically insults/taunts a developer (one of the Release Managers,
even), behind his back. This is incredibly childish, aggressive
behavior, and should not
The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well.
For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive ways
of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsion process:
http://squishy.cc/svenl.txt
This is a lot from two weeks
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
Some might argue that we should just kick him from the channel and
remove his commit access to the debian-kernel project, but that does not
solve the problem of him abusing other teams, as well as his abusive
mailing list posts.
Pierre Habouzit writes:
I strongly oppose to such an expulsion.
So do I.
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Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 15:05, Andres Salomon a écrit :
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:25 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit :
Hi,
I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther
removed from the project. The process is outlined here:
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 05:00, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20
may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20
correctly enough. But AFAICT, I've always seen him
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 01:00:19PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20
may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20
correctly enough. But AFAICT, I've always
On 3/14/06, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed
from the project. The process is outlined here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/08/msg5.html,
and I have already completed step 1.
[ Andres,
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:05PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
I was a bit short on you, because you started to make noise about the reason
for the refusal being a #include being wrongly placed in the patch, and a
printk that was not strictly necessary, which i think for someone like you or
the
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:05PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
I was a bit short on you, because you started to make noise about the reason
for the refusal being a #include being wrongly placed in the patch, and a
printk that
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 09:40:15AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well.
For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive ways
of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsion
also sprach Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]:
It seems that the project is splitting in two groups basically:
The people that wants to work together and release Etch, and the
people that with a reason or not wants to see it delayed. The
minute after the release team
On 14/03/2006 Andres Salomon wrote:
Sven's behavior has always been combative (and some might argue
hostile), but this is beyond what is acceptable. He threatens bodily
harm upon another developer in a public forum, and then a week later
publically insults/taunts a developer (one of the
Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I strongly oppose to such an expulsion.
It amazes me that people oppose expulsion, but are perfectly happy to
allow the DAMs to decide whether or not a NM is to be let into the
project. Why do we trust the DAM's judgement in one scenario but not
the
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
also sprach Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]:
It seems that the project is splitting in two groups basically:
The people that wants to work together and release Etch, and the
people that with a reason or not wants to see it
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Dear Friends,
First of all i apologise for my poor english (portuguese :-))
I follow de dev lists of debian for several months now, my knowlege in
linux whas not so good so i never applyed to be a developper and also
my time isnt much :-(.
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:59:46AM -0500, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
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So far, I have never took the time to study the detail of the expulsion
process, so sorry if this mail is inappropriate. But be sure that I will
do everything I can as a DD to stop Sven's expulsion.
Here another DD
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Abstract
Please can't we all just get along? Ok, I'm not quite that naive, but
I would like to see (or proof of previous attempts at) conciliation
before such a highly political approach as a formal expulsion request to
a personnel issue.
Further
Hi,
I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed
from the project. The process is outlined here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/08/msg5.html,
and I have already completed step 1.
Step #2 requires the support of some 15 developers. I am attempting
On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 21:01 -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
[...]
Sven has always been a nuisance to deal w/, but up until now I have not
considered this action. In the past two weeks, the following comments
made by him have changed my mind:
2006-03-07:
svenl jonas: i hope we never again meet
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
Hi,
I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed
from the project. The process is outlined here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/08/msg5.html,
and I have already completed step 1.
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