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I don't get reasonable
advise on debian-devel.
What is your stand on this?
You *are* allowed to create /etc/inittab when it is missing.
.. but only if it wasn't removed by the sysadmin. Admin changes must be
preserved, including removal.
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I believe Adam refers to the fact that the cryptsetup support in systemd
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Have the links created by triggers on /usr/bin/$arch-gcc.
People might use clang instead of gcc, so IMO the triggers should be on some
file in libc6-dev, perhaps /usr/lib/XXX/libc.so.
gcc is Build-Essential, so I think it's
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On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:29:42PM -0800, Cameron Norman wrote:
I would like to propose a different
which of sysvinits interfaces were part of the
essentialness and which are not. I kinda wish we'd fix that at some
point, to make it easier to swap out (or get rid of) Essential packages.
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thanks
I just ran into this, I think it's pretty clear we can't release with
this in place. Upgrades hang for seemingly no reason and no user
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I would be particularly interested in your take on the analysis that
Steve
Langasek posted to the debian-devel thread on why listing systemd-shim
as
the first alternative dependency for libpam
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Thanks, Tollef! Okay, so there does appear to be a conflict here. It
sounds like your primary technical concern, not addressed by Martin's
mail, is that getting the dependencies right to install systemd
with this
change in, or may I go ahead?
Please don't NMU with this patch.
Feel free to come up with a patch that works along the lines of what
we've talked about before.
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It's less work to just document how to keep sysvinit in the release
notes, something I surely hope we're going to do anyway.
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+++ Tollef Fog Heen [2014-10-24 13:31 +0200]:
]] Wookey
This patch does that in a very neat way which means that things
build-depending on pkg-config will get the right version installed
whether cross-building or not.
I disagree with it being particularly neat
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Langasek posted to the debian-devel thread on why listing systemd-shim as
the first alternative dependency for libpam-systemd makes sense and should
]] Cameron Norman
Please trim bits you're not replying to.
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]] Russ Allbery
I would be particularly interested in your take on the analysis
that Steve Langasek posted to the debian-devel thread on why
listing
systemd-sysv should
automatically reflect on choosing systemd-shim over systemd-sysv. We do
not necessarily think this is the case and both decisions need to be
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/inittab is a sysvinit-only configuration file, so this is
expected. Arguably, we should warn once if the inittab has been changed
from the shipped default.
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work with current aspell because it was built with 64 bit numbers
That sounds like an RC bug in aspell, missing Breaks/Conflicts against
packages it breaks? Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
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As you already pruned devfs, please also prune is replacement devtmpfs.
This makes sense. It should hardly take any time to traverse, but I'll
add it to the list anyway.
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I have no strong opinions on exactly what the implementation should look
like, but if you need input on it, feel free to poke and I'll chime in.
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Hi,
could you please change the priority of sysvinit to optional and
sysvinit-core to extra?
This will allow us to complete the change to systemd as the default init
system.
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Please gimme a day or two first, May be I would be useful too :-)
Of course, please take the time you need. Let me know if there's
anything more I can do to get this updated.
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Given the nature of this metapackage, it should be declared as
Multi-Arch:init to satisfy init dependencies across multi-arch
boundaries.
Why would anything depend on init? It's an Essential: yes package, so
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added myself and pushed to the git repo. Are you ok with me
upload to experimental or unstable too or would you like to review
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Hi,
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@debian.org (2014-07-16):
Format: 1.8
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:48:59 +0200
Source: sash
Binary: sash
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.8-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@debian.org
are just a random sample from my colo box, it would be trivial to
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Note that I have export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim in my environment, so that
ought to override, I would think?
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Decimal to binary, Decimal to hex, Decimal to ASCII, Hex to binary,
Hex to decimal, Hex to ASCII, ASCII to binary, ASCII to decimal,
ASCII to hex.
How is this different from i(1) in the iprint package?
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come to a conclusion with those who use crosswrapper in Debian and I'm
ok with applying most of the patch.
-Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
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political leaders make technical decisions is
bad policy.
It also means the CTTE is no longer self-contained and half the point of
having a chairman disappears.
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No, it's not. We don't consider it unsuitable for release. Feel free
to get the release team to chime in or provide a justification pointing
to the relevant bit of policy.
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Hi,
Am 11.05.2014 18:51, schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
reassign 747743 openssh-server
thanks
]] Julian Wollrath
I have the package openssh-server installed but disabled starting the
server
daemon via 'update-rc.d ssh disable', since I do not need it running
]] Zack Weinberg
On 05/06/2014 08:08 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
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On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
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Fundamentally what I want is a bulletproof procedure for reverting to
sysvinit in case something goes wrong
on more
seconds.
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How can we progress on this bug? We now have bugs #720777, #720778 and
#720780 which ask for /usr/libqual to be created if /libqual exists.
It's something that can be implemented
your own proposal, but I'm happy to
second my proposal in that case, so seconded too.
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Fundamentally what I want is a bulletproof procedure for reverting to
sysvinit in case something goes wrong.
Sounds like you're arguing that sysvinit-core should no longer ship
]] Zack Weinberg
On 2014-05-03 12:18 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
Zack Weinberg wrote:
1) Switching from sysvinit to systemd (and vice versa, if necessary)
should be accomplished via a command dedicated to the purpose; it
should *not* occur as a side effect of installing, removing
(to different
locations)?
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in wheezy and works quite well.
2) The procedure I described should be the official procedure for
making the changeover.
Again, you say so, but provide no rationale or reason why.
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https://github.com/Tigge/Garmin-Forerunner-610-Extractor to work with
the Suunto as well.
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Package: systemd
Severity: wishlist
We disabled coredump handling with --disable-coredump. It's probably
time to change that.
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disabled? Is it just using the old ones? Something else?
As it is, it says «something is broken» without much more information.
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diff -Nru jenkins-job-builder
. The others are nice
workarounds, but they're undiscoverable so I had no idea they existed.
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This is 741765. Fixed in unstable and I'll update stable and oldstable
shortly.
I doubt it is, since 741765 is «timps: FTBFS: nafconsole.c:611:38:
error: 'CPPFunction' undeclared (first use in this function)»
I think you mean #741675. :-)
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is allowed so long as the outcome
is in doubt), in which case the casting vote clause doesn't come into play
at all.
The vote might have ran out of time, in which case I believe it's too
late to change any votes, but not to use the casting vote.
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Can you please find another dead horse to flog soon?
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that might be wasted».
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think it makes sense to push upstream, but as long as it's reasonably
self-contained I don't mind having it in Debian, either in the systemd
package or (if the cryptsetup maintainer wants it) in cryptsetup.
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The de facto interface for making an init system the default is to
install it as /sbin/init. While I'm coming at this from a starting
point different from Cameron's above - I haven't
choices are done by us in Debian, not upstream.)
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can still use service to start/stop services, for instance.)
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packages which are not appropriate for the archive, it's that they don't
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I already gave my hypothetical udev gets a hard dependency on systemd
as init system worst case.
To make the worst case even worse, assume a new upstream version of
systemd
risking being struck down. It's a
somewhat separate discussion from the whole «what should be the default
init system» discussion, but it's one we (as a project) should be having
at some point.
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interfaces going away.
Another alternative is having multiple instance services and using
BindTo=sys-subsystem-net-devices-%i.device (like ifup@.service is
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Tollef Fog Heen writes (Bug#727708: Init system resolution open questions):
[Ian Jackson]:
As I mentioned on IRC, I think we need to get some clear answers to
certain questions from everybody.
It's not clear to me that the CTTE is allowed to rule on a bunch
in the constitution. The release team is the team
that sets RC policies and I'm not aware of any failed attempts at
arriving at a consensus with them or that they've delegated the decision
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, it seems like the last upload was done wrongly somehow. I'll see
what we can do to fix that. As you can see if you browse your local
mirror, there's a .tar.xz there too with a hash that matches upstream.
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and with the explicit understanding of the
TC that if the necessary manpower to do that work disappears we will not
be holding to rest of the init system back. It might be that packaging
up logind completely separately by such a person (or team) might be a
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] it appears that upstream git is used as packaging basis, instead
of the tarball which has pre-generated documentation and loads of
other files.
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I think you have misunderstood. Or perhaps I hae misunderstood you.
The work that I'm saying needs to be done anyway is the work to
disentange the parts of systemd which are required
except a
global passive attacker.
Am I understanding it correctly that this is somewhat like sending an
encrypted message to a key's fingerprint in a DHT with an expiration
tacked on, or is this completely off the mark?
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it might well be the fundamental disagreement, since I believe
there is value by us helping other distributions catch up and
accomodating their use cases where we reasonably can.
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On Wed, 01 Jan 2014, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
and I think it'd be a shame if we ended up losing or demotivating a
good bunch of good developers again.
Pretty much every time the CTTE makes a ruling
a configuration file
tells it to, is wrong.
I think it's a bad thing to overspecify how a daemon is configured,
which I think you're doing here.
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to require upstart and systemd to continue to
support sysvinit. I'm not even sure what that would mean, in particular
in the case of systemd-sysv whose sole purpose is to replace sysvinit.
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*also* need to look at the env var for it
17:17 poettering hope that makes sense
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dependencies which I consider undesirable ?
If find it incredible that you consider adding 18 lines of
unconditional code to your daemon unreasonable, while forcing the
systemd maintainers to split the package, add explicitly rejected
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systemd.
(It's supported upstream to do so and we might eventually investigate
that, but I don't believe anybody has done any work on it for Debian.)
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integrated, but AIUI, he's not been able to offer a long-term commitment
to maintaining the patches, and I think it's a very bad idea to merge a
patchset that nobody in the team wants to maintain long-term.)
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On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 21:07 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
That's handled by the initramfs where we currently don't use systemd.
(It's supported upstream to do so and we might eventually investigate
that, but I don't believe anybody has done any work
as to work with upstart as the
init system, and which conflicts with systemd as it is currently packaged.
The way things are going, I don't think that'd be a terrible situation,
tbh.
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case for kFreeBSD is on the server side, and not as a GNOME
workstation. I also realise a file system is not on the same magnitude
for a distribution as an entire desktop environment, but we're looking
at degrees here anyway, not a black and white picture.
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After + Wants on rpcbind.service and
rpcbind.service to be before=remote-fs-pre.target and
WantedBy=remote-fs-pre.target.
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Tollef Fog Heen writes (Bug#727708: init system other points, and
conclusion):
Ian Jackson:
This is exacerbated by the fact that systemd's Debian maintainers are
(IMO) much too deferential to upstream.
That's because the bits of systemd you've asked to change isn't
it in the meantime, going
with Raphael's suggestion seems reasonable enough.
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
If this is not required by systemd, why is it done by sd_notify ?
It's not.
You obviously did not read the code. It is. Here is a G+ convo with
Lennart I had:
As a sender you only have to set
to use a compatible init system should be ok too,
if somebody wants to do that.
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. I am not going to carry patches in systemd in Debian for a
Debian-only notification protocol because you don't want to use the
upstream protocol.
As I've said in other messages, feel free to talk to upstream, but I'm
not going to pass on suggestions which I'm not going to support.
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. I think it's pretty clear why that is a
bad idea.
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systemd's readiness
protocol.
Lennart provided http://fpaste.org/64821/32737713/ as a pretty minimal
example of sd_notify which implements it in 18 lines of code. It lacks
a little bit of error handling, but even with that, it's hardly 50-100
lines of tiresome socket code.
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I conclude therefore that we should design another simple protocol -
preferably, a variation on one of the existing ones - and have (at
least) both Debian's systemd and Debian's upstart implement it.
I think you're into ever-multiplying power socket
, DefaultDependencies will be true and you'll have an
After=basic.target in your service.
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