On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 02:48:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Sure. Both systemd and upstart manage to avoid the problem of
inconsistent behavior due to tainted admin environments, because daemons
are always started as children of init and not of the admin's login
shell. That being the
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 02:48:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
I have never seen a gratuitous incompatibility caused by this. Do you
have any examples?
I would argue that every single result returned by 'ls -l /usr/sbin/
/usr/bin|grep /bin',
]] Ian Jackson
It's not clear to me from the discussion there exactly what systemd
upstream's position on this kind of thing is.
Can someone point us, for example, to a statement by the systemd
upstreams about their support for separate /usr (or their non-support
for it) ?
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 09:28:23AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Ian Jackson
It's not clear to me from the discussion there exactly what systemd
upstream's position on this kind of thing is.
Can someone point us, for example, to a statement by the systemd
upstreams about their
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
Note that the original complaint in the samba upstream discussion was
about hard-coding of paths to system utilities, which a) is not portable
between distributions and b) contradicts Debian policy.
So systemd upstream may support separate /usr, but
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:24:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
Note that the original complaint in the samba upstream discussion was
about hard-coding of paths to system utilities, which a) is not portable
between distributions and b) contradicts
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:24:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
They're fairly trivial ones, though, no? Maintaining a local patch to
change the paths in a systemd unit is certainly way less effort than
maintaining the whole unit. It's akin to changing
In the systemd statement we see:
Systemd's upstream is very accommodating to distributors. They are
taking a lot of Debian's needs into account, even though it has not
yet been decided to make it the default.
The upstart statement says:
systemd upstream paints a utopian vision where
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