Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Control: notfound -1 0.57 Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2018, Justin B Rye wrote: > > _Description: Updates management on this system: > > Applying updates on a frequent basis is an important part of keeping the > > system secure. > > . > > By default, security updates

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Hi, On Wed, 27 Jun 2018, Justin B Rye wrote: > _Description: Updates management on this system: > Applying updates on a frequent basis is an important part of keeping the > system secure. > . > By default, security updates are not automatically installed, as security > advisories should be

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Raphael Hertzog wrote: > _Description: Updates management on this system: > Applying updates on a frequent basis is an important part of keeping the > system secure. > . > By default, security updates are not automatically installed as security > advisories should be reviewed before

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Hi, On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I think it makes sense to explain in a bit more detail why that may not > be a good idea: Ok. On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > I think it really should get reviewed through the usual channel > (debian-l10n-english@ if memory serves,

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Quoting Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org): > The use of “you” seems to be one of the common errors I mentioned above. > We tend to avoid pointing fingers at users. > > Hrm. Grepping across our packages' templates, I see a lot of “you”s so I > might just be misremembering. Or maybe we've tried

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Hi Raphaël, Raphael Hertzog (2018-06-26): > I reverted the change in git: > https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/pkgsel/commit/2b9b594855a409fa6d03f259ccca4b1a1bd4727b ACK, thanks for the notice. > I haven't uploaded the package yet. I had to reword the debconf > template. Is the modified

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 06:17:31PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, 28 May 2018, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > debian-boot@: the requested revert looks fine to me, bonus points if it > > comes with a (short) summary of these reasons in changelog, so that they > > can be emphasized

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Hello, On Mon, 28 May 2018, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > debian-boot@: the requested revert looks fine to me, bonus points if it > comes with a (short) summary of these reasons in changelog, so that they > can be emphasized in the release announcement. :) I reverted the change in git:

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Hi Moritz, Moritz Mühlenhoff (2018-05-27): > Sorry for the late reply, busy and backlogged in my inbox. No worries, I know the feeling; and thanks for the detailed answer! Replying only briefly (for similar reasons): > u-u is also very rudimentary. It doesn't support service

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 11:53:42PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Sorry for the late reply, busy and backlogged in my inbox. > > > That's pointless until testing becomes stable and by then it's too > > > late, this needs to be disabled now. > > Do you have minutes/rationales or something that

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Hi, Moritz Mühlenhoff (2018-05-18): > retitle 875858 Revert default installation of unattended-upgrades > thanks > > [Resending since the earlier unarchive wasn't effective yet, so the > followup got lost] > > Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 01:31:25PM

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

retitle 875858 Revert default installation of unattended-upgrades thanks [Resending since the earlier unarchive wasn't effective yet, so the followup got lost] Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > On Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 01:31:25PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > OK, putting team@security in copy now.

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > Even more reason not to enable it if desktops are already catered for. There's more than GNOME in Debian. > > Right, there are cases where a service restart is required. There are also > > many cases where it's not at all required because the

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Hi, Sorry for the late reply, busy over the holiday season. On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:12:08PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 17 Dec 2017, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > > unattended-upgrades are not an appropriate default. It's okay for a desktop > > system which gets powered down

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Hi, On Sun, 17 Dec 2017, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > unattended-upgrades are not an appropriate default. It's okay for a desktop > system which gets powered down daily, so you can add it to tasksel lists for > desktop roles, but not enable it by default for servers. I think it's not really useful

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 09:23:50AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > But my experience has mostly been with regular package updates. I haven't > > focused much on security updates. Can security updates be applied with out > > generating dependency chains and their updates? > > Yes. I am

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:55:20PM -0400, Raymond Burkholder wrote: > On 12/11/2017 11:51 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 04:41:38PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:22:07PM -0400, Raymond Burkholder wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think its

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Hello, On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, Raymond Burkholder wrote: > I think I got thrown off by the title 'unattended upgrades'. If this is > limited to security updates, I am more for it, but still scared of it. Maybe you should document yourself before commenting and sharing such a strongly worded

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On 12/11/2017 11:51 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 04:41:38PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:22:07PM -0400, Raymond Burkholder wrote: I think its totally adequate to assume people want automatic security updates, on all kinds of systems, unless

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

You can tell me if I am 'beating a dead horse' but for the sake of argument, let us see where this goes On 12/11/2017 11:41 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:22:07PM -0400, Raymond Burkholder wrote: I think its totally adequate to assume people want automatic

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Mon 11 Dec 2017 at 17:46:44 +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 06:20:55PM +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote: > >Quoting Raymond Burkholder (r...@oneunified.net): > >> > > So, as an accommodation, a flag in the preseed mechanism to > >> > enable/disable would be helpful. >

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 06:20:55PM +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote: >Quoting Raymond Burkholder (r...@oneunified.net): >> > > So, as an accommodation, a flag in the preseed mechanism to >> > enable/disable would be helpful. >> > >> > You mean something like: >> > >> > Template:

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Quoting Raymond Burkholder (r...@oneunified.net): > > > So, as an accommodation, a flag in the preseed mechanism to > > enable/disable would be helpful. > > > > You mean something like: > > > > Template: pkgsel/update-policy > > Type: select > > Default: unattended-upgrades > > > >

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 04:41:38PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:22:07PM -0400, Raymond Burkholder wrote: >> > >> > I think its totally adequate to assume people want automatic security >> > updates, on all kinds of systems, unless they opt out. >> >> Security

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:22:07PM -0400, Raymond Burkholder wrote: > > > > I think its totally adequate to assume people want automatic security > > updates, on all kinds of systems, unless they opt out. > > Security updates, yes. Automated, no. Desktops, maybe. Servers, no. Are you

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

> > So, as an accommodation, a flag in the preseed mechanism to > enable/disable would be helpful. > > You mean something like: > > Template: pkgsel/update-policy > Type: select > Default: unattended-upgrades > > pkgsel/update-policy=none thus seem the perfect preseed choice for your > use

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Quoting Raymond Burkholder (r...@oneunified.net): > > > > I think its totally adequate to assume people want automatic security > > updates, on all kinds of systems, unless they opt out. > > Security updates, yes. Automated, no. Desktops, maybe. Servers, no. > > For my infrastructure,

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

> > I think its totally adequate to assume people want automatic security > updates, on all kinds of systems, unless they opt out. Security updates, yes. Automated, no. Desktops, maybe. Servers, no. For my infrastructure, updates, of what ever kind, need to be incorporated into the

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 04:13:12PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > I think its totally adequate to assume people want automatic security updates, > on all kinds of systems, unless they opt out. also because people like consistancy. -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:34:08PM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > This is not an adequate default for non-Desktop setups, this should rather be > pulled in via some of the desktop tasksel tasks, but not in general. I think its totally adequate to assume people want automatic security updates,

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 03:27:58PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:45:13AM +0200, Raphaël Hertzog wrote: > >Source: pkgsel > >Version: 0.45 > >Severity: wishlist > > > >Ubuntu has a patch adding a "pkgsel/update-policy" debconf question which > >is used to control the

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Control: tag -1 + patch On Fri, 15 Sep 2017, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >For Debian, I don't think that making such a difference makes sense. > >We should: > >- either always show the question with its default value of "none" > > (thus making sure that they have a chance to opt-in to this feature)

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:45:13AM +0200, Raphaël Hertzog wrote: >Source: pkgsel >Version: 0.45 >Severity: wishlist > >Ubuntu has a patch adding a "pkgsel/update-policy" debconf question which >is used to control the installation of unattended-upgrades. I want to >merge this into Debian. > >The

Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

Source: pkgsel Version: 0.45 Severity: wishlist Ubuntu has a patch adding a "pkgsel/update-policy" debconf question which is used to control the installation of unattended-upgrades. I want to merge this into Debian. The biggest question in this work is the default value and priority of the