Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-23 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Francesco Tapparo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course ae will be used in the boot disks, but in the default installation, joe must be the choiche, IMO. Debian policy for systems 2.0 and above will be to have _no_editor_ as part of the base system. If you want an editor, you must install -- Bruce

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Bruce Perens
I suggest to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as common identifier for Debian friends. In case we get the money (why should we ?) I suggest to pass 50% to Linux International and keep 50% for Debian. Please use an address at Linux International, not one in the Debian domain. It is not our policy to

Re: Editor wars considered harmful

1997-06-23 Thread Bruce Perens
Francesco Tapparo: Of course ae will be used in the boot disks, but in the default installation, joe must be the choiche, IMO. From: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a editor war. Please don't continue it. Don't worry, whether or not he continues it, he will be ignored. There will be

Re: Calendars (was: Re: leap second)

1997-06-23 Thread Bruce Perens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) Not everyone switched in 1752. This is Pope Gregory's calendar reform, isn't it? I think it goes back a century or more before 1752. Actually, it probably was a bad idea to use leap for both. Leap days are fixed by calendar design. Leap seconds are

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Bruce Perens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Budde) wrote on 21.06.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But this requires a www server! Not a good idea for slow systems like my notebook. And the result doesn't look great. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) Isn't there a mini www server in Perl's web modules Lynx can

Re: Re^4: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Mark Eichin
Your're kidding ;-)? There're several really great HTML browsers like netscape, lynx etc. And you should remember that for example KDE will use I don't think he's kidding. Lynx is *awful* for searching (it doesn't even have a keystroke for same pattern, next occurance...) Netscape, well,

Re: I found the Xemacs problem!

1997-06-23 Thread Mark Eichin
Ahh. Now that I think about it, I had problems in the early days of 19.34 releases, where it worked fine with some libc's and not with others; it turned out that the best effect was compiling it with a very new libc, then it didn't matter as much what it ran with. (Yeah that sounds fuzzy -- it

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Jim Pick
I suggest to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as common identifier for Debian friends. In case we get the money (why should we ?) I suggest to pass 50% to Linux International and keep 50% for Debian. Please use an address at Linux International, not one in the Debian domain. It is not our policy

Re: xterm terminfo entry

1997-06-23 Thread Mark Eichin
Except that the xterm-color entry isn't particularly widespread, yet; so if you rlogin or telnet somewhere that doesn't have it, you pretty much lose. This is the main reason I'm reluctant to force the change... though I might be convinced to do it for the unstable (with libc6 and all the other

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get the impression that you've been hoodwinked into thinking there is an official Linux team - there ain't - there's a linuxnet.org team, organized by those IRC guys. Last time, a good many different Linux interests were competing as linuxnet.org, and we were

Re^4: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Jun 22, Mark Eichin wrote I don't think he's kidding. Lynx is *awful* for searching (it doesn't even have a keystroke for same pattern, next occurance...) Eh? 'n' seems to do a pretty good job. Seems like it searches just fine to me :-) Chris --

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Jim Pick
People did complain that we were promoting Debian to the detriment of Linux. Yes - but remember, some of the people participating in these contests were acting pretty infantile. Instead of focusing on solving the problem, they want their team to be at the top of the list at all costs,

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Jim Pick wrote: People did complain that we were promoting Debian to the detriment of Linux. Yes - but remember, some of the people participating in these contests were acting pretty infantile. Instead of focusing on solving the problem, they want their team to be at the top of the

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Jim Pick
I have some computers up running in that challenge and I could easily contribute there output to the debian group, if we are going to have one. So will we have one, or will we do it each one by himself? It's up to you - nobody's really organized anything. Some people are already running

Re: xterm terminfo entry

1997-06-23 Thread Raul Miller
On Jun 22, Mark Eichin wrote Except that the xterm-color entry isn't particularly widespread, yet; so if you rlogin or telnet somewhere that doesn't have it, you pretty much lose. termcap supported the TERMCAP environmental variable, which solved problems like this (and like linux not being

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Mark Eichin
/usr/info/emacs-info. I suggest to split this off into a new package called emacs-doc-info. In addition, we should create an emacs-doc-html Interesting. Not really an option, though; as far as emacs is concerned, that's part of how it documents itself. If you come up with a way that works as

Re: Calendars (was: Re: leap second)

1997-06-23 Thread Wayne Schlitt
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (joost witteveen) writes: Now, we know the length of a year/day better, and only 1 in for of those turn-of-century years are leap years. Maybe that will change again. And about the seconds: we (currently, prossibly always) simply

Re: xterm terminfo entry

1997-06-23 Thread Mark Eichin
in practice, the linux entry not being supported by solaris (for example) was handled by people doing set term=vt100 and whining a lot... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Anyone made a qmail-1.01 experimental package.

1997-06-23 Thread Rob Browning
I was going to try out qmail, and I just wanted to see if anyone had made a package of 1.01. I mailed Christian, but I haven't heard back from him yet, and I thought someone else might have packaged it for their own internal use. Thanks -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On Jun 22, Lars Wirzenius wrote The following sequence of commands: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc cd foo-something dpkg-buildpackage -b -rsudo -us -uc i switched to use debian/rules binary, debian/rules clean and dpkg-genchanges in my script (why should dpkg-buildpackage call

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On Jun 22, Alex Yukhimets wrote What's that problem with No new line thing? Who's creating this problem - diff, patch, dpkg-source? can you please download the newest version of patch, and try again ? this way we can get sure, if it's fiext with a new version of patch (some people told me

Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread Marco Budde
Hi! I've got a copyright question. The selfhtml (doc section) package, that I'll release the next days, has got a copyright that forbid changing the files. Should I put the package in unstable/stable or in non-free? In my opinion the package should go to unstable/stable because it's not

Re: Calendars (was: Re: leap second)

1997-06-23 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On Jun 22, Bruce Perens wrote Speaking of predictability, isn't 2000 a leap year? The rule is different for the turn of the century. 2000/02/29 exists. (the rule is : every for years, but not every hundred years, but every 400 years). AFAIK. regards, andreas -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On Jun 23, Lars Wirzenius wrote I only listed some problematic packages (not even all problematic packages). That wasn't meant to be a complete report, just some notes. Someone with more free time will have to take charge of this if it is going to happen systematically. what about forwarding

Re: Uploaded ppp 2.2.0f-26 (source i386) to master

1997-06-23 Thread Philip Hands
Hi, Since discussing this in private resulted in me doing something stupid, I'll Cc: this to the list (all comments welcome). [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: pppd is not just a dialout tool but also used to allow dialin. The group dip has been designed for that purpose (dialup ip). A user might be a

Re: Re^4: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Ricardas Cepas
On Jun 22, Chris Lawrence wrote On Jun 22, Mark Eichin wrote I don't think he's kidding. Lynx is *awful* for searching (it doesn't even have a keystroke for same pattern, next occurance...) Eh? 'n' seems to do a pretty good job. Seems like it searches just fine to me :-) As

RE: GCC cross-compilation

1997-06-23 Thread Michael Meskes
Does this mean I could upload all architecture version for my packages? If so yes, I think it's useful. Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes, Projekt-Manager| topsystem Systemhaus GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Europark A2, Adenauerstr. 20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 52146

svgalib-dummy again

1997-06-23 Thread Roman Hodek
Now that svgalib seems orphaned, allow me to come up with this topic again... But first a brief summary of the history and the problems: svgalib-dummy is a dummy replacement for svgalib, which doesn't require any configuration, doesn't spit out messages when initialized by applications, and last

RE: Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread Michael Meskes
The way I read it the copyright just forbids to change the doc files itself. There is no problem adding our packages files etc. Even renaming the source tree is not forbidden. So I'd say put it in the core distribution. Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes, Projekt-Manager| topsystem Systemhaus

Re: Correct path for upgrading to libc6-dev?

1997-06-23 Thread jdassen
On Jun 21, Mark Baker wrote For libg++, I'd wait until there's a libg++272 package, and install the development stuff from that; for ncurses there are libc6 versions of the library itself, I'm not sure about the development stuff but a force-depends seems to work (the header files aren't

Re: GCC cross-compilation

1997-06-23 Thread Roman Hodek
Does this mean I could upload all architecture version for my packages? If so yes, I think it's useful. But if you do that, you haven't tested whether your package is really running on another architecture... Roman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to

Re: svgalib-dummy again

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
Now that svgalib seems orphaned, allow me to come up with this topic again... But first a brief summary of the history and the problems: Well, nearly orphaned. I finally got an answer from Andy Mortimer [EMAIL PROTECTED], who currently is the one interested in being the maintainer. I did this

Re: svgalib-dummy again

1997-06-23 Thread Roman Hodek
dpkg's current dependency mechanism doesn't allow it to be a substitute for svgalib, because that is a shared lib and so all dependencies on it are versioned dependencies (coming from the .shlibs file). Well, more to the point: when package foo Depends on a particular version of

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Sven Rudolph
Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suggest to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as common identifier for Debian friends. In case we get the money (why should we ?) I suggest to pass 50% to Linux International and keep 50% for Debian. Please use an address at Linux International, not one in

Re: FW: [NTSEC] (Fwd) DESCHALL Press Release

1997-06-23 Thread Sven Rudolph
Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suggest to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as common identifier for Debian friends. In case we get the money (why should we ?) I suggest to pass 50% to Linux International and keep 50% for Debian. Please use an address at Linux International, not one in

Use of suidmanager

1997-06-23 Thread Michael Meskes
Could anyone please tell me the advantages of suidmanager as it is right now? I can see the usefullness of a tool like that, but I wonder if there should be a daily test run to make sure no other file are suid. Or is this dones elsewhere? Also why are there file in /etc/suid.conf that are not

Re: problems with debmake

1997-06-23 Thread Francesco Tapparo
On Jun 22, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote Francesco, Did you add your userid to the sudo group? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ grep sudo /etc/group sudo:*:27:edd Regards, Dirk Yes, I made it. ciao Francesco Tapparo [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word

Re: Policy wrt mail lockfile (section 4.3)

1997-06-23 Thread Thomas Koenig
Lars Wirzenius wrote: [replying to the list instead of privately, since this is of common interest, IMHO :-] If the protocol in the publib library has a way to get around that problem, I'd be interesting in learning more about it (and, possibly, dreaming up cases in which it might fail :-) I

Re: [klee@mit.edu: Bug#10795: makefiles for nethack are i386-specific]

1997-06-23 Thread James Troup
Paul Haggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, what's the recommended solution for this .. other than porting nethack over to use libc6 (which can't be done at the moment because of the lack of a libc6 xpm library). How does one detect the architecture of the machine being used? Cut and

libreadlineg2 missing

1997-06-23 Thread Michael Meskes
How on earth is it possible to get packages depending on libreadlineg2 into hamm when there is no package libreadlineg2 in the archive or in Incoming? At least I couldn't find the readline package. Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes, Projekt-Manager| topsystem Systemhaus GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-23 Thread ghughes
On Jun 22, Bruce Perens wrote Lynx can browse files directly, and can execute CGI scripts directly. True. However, it can't handle gzipped pages, and hacking it to do so seems a) special case (because chimera, w3, netscape and all the others still don't) and b) outside of its domain of

Re: libreadlineg2 missing

1997-06-23 Thread James Troup
Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How on earth is it possible to get packages depending on libreadlineg2 into hamm when there is no package libreadlineg2 in the archive or in Incoming? I removed libreadlineg2 and all other bash_2.01-0 related files from Incoming/ after they appeared to

RE: Anyone using transparent proxying?

1997-06-23 Thread Michael Meskes
Do you really run it? The way I hear it from the authors (and according to my own experience) it won't work with 2.0.30 either. It's broken and these guys don't know yet, how to repair it. The last working version was 2.0.29. Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes, Projekt-Manager| topsystem

Dpkg in C for speed?

1997-06-23 Thread Camm Maguire
Greetings! Well, what do you think? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Camm Maguire == The earth is one country, and mankind its citizens. Baha'u'llah -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the

Re: Dpkg in C for speed?

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
dpkg in C for speed? Greetings! Well, what do you think? well, I think it will not make a difference. It's not slow because of C++, it's slow because it has to read thousands of files on startup, and do quite a lot of other interesting things. All this has nothing to do with C/C++. --

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Milan Zamazal
I like this proposal too. Yet another reason, why separate docs could be good: Sometimes I want only to check documentation, read more about something (e.g. some toolkit and/or programming language) and I don't want to install 20 MB package when I need only 1 MB documentation which I want to read

Re: Re^4: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Milan Zamazal
MB == Marco Budde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MZ: I don't know any good browser for HTML, that's the main MZ: problem of HTML documentation. MB: Your're kidding ;-)? There're several really great HTML MB: browsers like netscape, lynx etc. No. Problems with netscape: - It's

Moving away from MD5

1997-06-23 Thread Thomas Koenig
I think we should start moving away from MD5 as our main hash function. MD5 has known weaknesses so that an attacker can quite possibly create two files, differing maybe in a single bit or in quite a few bytes, but having the same MD5 checksum. Also, 128 bits are starting to be in the range that

old versions: svgalib-bin?

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
I'm currently working on svgalib (mostly for libc6). As it stands now, I would like to make the following name-changes: svgalib1 - svgalib1g (libc6 protocol) svgalib1-dev - svgalib1g-dev (libc6 protocol) svgalib1-bin - svgalib-bin(there's no reason to put the

Re: RFC: library conventions for libc5 and libc6 in hamm Take 4

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
5. Conflicts Dependencies for hamm packages [..] The hamm libfoo package has to depend on libc6 and has to conflict with libfoo-dev and libc5-dev. Are you sure here? I'd say you mean this: The hamm libfoo package has to depend on libc5 and has to conflict with libfoo-dev.

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread Brian White
cfengine: tries to do make distclean, but that target doesn't exist. I've added a - in front of this call. gnats: diff patches file (gnats-3.101.orig/gnats/contrib/tkgnats/print/Description_Summary) whose directory does not appear in tarfile Hmmm...

Re: Use of suidmanager

1997-06-23 Thread Christoph Lameter
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : Could anyone please tell me the advantages of suidmanager as it is right : now? I can see the usefullness of a tool like that, but I wonder if there : should be a daily test run to make sure no other file are suid. Or is this : dones elsewhere? Not all

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Rob Browning
Ricardas Cepas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As of current documentation, you can search only current .html file. This is not very usefull. Lynx ( on non-gzipped docs) is much slower then info ( on gzipped). Oh, right I forgot to add recursive to my previous comment about

Re: Editor wars considered harmful

1997-06-23 Thread Bruce Perens
The problem is that no editor is popular with everyone, and nobody is learning VI any longer, and Emacs isn't so popular either. The solution is to put up a menu of check-boxes of what editor you want, and install it from packages as soon as possible after the system is installed. Adding editors

Re: Moving away from MD5

1997-06-23 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Thomas Koenig wrote: I think we should start moving away from MD5 as our main hash function. MD5 has known weaknesses so that an attacker can quite possibly create two files, differing maybe in a single bit or in quite a few bytes, but

Re: Rescue disk and Thinkpads (problem identified).

1997-06-23 Thread Steven Bruce Dunham
Bruce Perens wrote: From: Erv Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, i had trouble booting a toshiba tecra with bzImages except via loadlin. The solution was to use a simple zImage instead of the bzImage. Now, lilo, syslinux, etc all work. I'd rather fix the software bug that prevents

Bug: cross-device link

1997-06-23 Thread Mathieu Guillaume
Package: cpp 2.7.2.2-5 This is the same kind of bug that was reported as #10753 (update-alternative). When I try to upgrade to this version, I get an error related to cross-device links (/lib/cpp is a symlink to /usr/bin/cpp, which is mounted on a different partition on my system).

Re: Moving away from MD5

1997-06-23 Thread Jim Pick
Thomas Koenig wrote: I think we should start moving away from MD5 as our main hash function. An attractive alternative would be RIPEMD-160. http://www.esat.kuleuven.ac.be/~bosselae/ripemd160.html This is probably a good thing to agree to do, before Klee redesigns dpkg to handle verification

Re: Editor wars considered harmful

1997-06-23 Thread Francesco Tapparo
On Jun 22, Lars Wirzenius wrote [ Please don't Cc: public replies to me. ] Francesco Tapparo: Of course ae will be used in the boot disks, but in the default installation, joe must be the choiche, IMO. This is a editor war. Please don't continue it.

Re: Uploaded ppp 2.2.0f-26 (source i386) to master

1997-06-23 Thread Alexander E. Apke
I was just wondering why we havn't upgraded to the new upstream version 2.3.0, which has been out since may 22. I would figure it whould have quite a few fixes for some of the problems in 2.2.0. Thanks Alex -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
gnats: diff patches file (gnats-3.101.orig/gnats/contrib/tkgnats/print/Description_Summary) whose directory does not appear in tarfile Hmmm... I'm not sure what to do about this. The version of tkgnats I built is significantly different from what was in the

Re: Moving away from MD5

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
-- Start of PGP signed section. On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Thomas Koenig wrote: I think we should start moving away from MD5 as our main hash function. MD5 has known weaknesses so that an attacker can quite possibly create two files, differing maybe in a single bit or in quite a few bytes, but

Re: xterm terminfo entry

1997-06-23 Thread Raja R Harinath
Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: in practice, the linux entry not being supported by solaris (for example) was handled by people doing set term=vt100 and whining a lot... A solution is to tell them to: linux$ infocmp xterm-color missing-term.tic (replace `xterm-color' with your

RE: Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Michael Meskes wrote: The way I read it the copyright just forbids to change the doc files itself. There is no problem adding our packages files etc. Even renaming the source tree is not forbidden. So I'd say put it in the core distribution. No, I disagree here. At

Re: NFS lockfiles etc: alpha implementation

1997-06-23 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 22 Jun 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: After all the talk about NFS lockfiles etc, and checking out Lars's publib, I decided to write the locking functions from scratch. Well not totally, it's partially based on the qpopper locking stuff (which I also wrote).

Documentation Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Christian Schwarz
Hi folks! To summarize this discussion so far: I think everyone here agrees that we should provide HTML and INFO. So we currently have three options, both having their advantages and disadvantages: (Arguments with `(-)' will become obsolete when deity is available, see below.) Option

Re: Packaging questions regarding plan

1997-06-23 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: What about the motif-dummy thingie we discussed? How can I run plan having Motif and not lesstif installed? Can you make sure it doesn't Depends: on lesstif, but rather on a virtual package 'motif-libs' which lesstif, and a to-be-created-dummy

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Alex Yukhimets
Option 3: We ship .texi files and produce HTML and/or info files on demand (in the postinst script). Advantages: - No work for the maintainers. - Great flexibility (the sysadmin could even produce PostScript files when needed!). This is extremely good

Re: Packaging questions regarding plan

1997-06-23 Thread David Frey
(I'm on debian-devel, no need to Cc:) On Sun, Jun 22 1997 15:11 EDT Colin R. Telmer writes: Given this, using chmod to set user or group ID on execution(s) is useless. It will always run as the uid hardwired in. [...] The previous maintainer of plan (Christoph Lameter) had a

Re: Uploaded ppp 2.2.0f-26 (source i386) to master

1997-06-23 Thread Philip Hands
I was just wondering why we havn't upgraded to the new upstream version 2.3.0, which has been out since may 22. I would figure it whould have quite a few fixes for some of the problems in 2.2.0. There is a Debian package of 2.3.0 in project/experimental. I've only recently taken on

Re: Uploaded ppp 2.2.0f-26 (source i386) to master

1997-06-23 Thread Philip Hands
pppd should include all functionality possible. But the IPX features should be disabled by default in the configuration file. As far as I can tell having -ipx-protocol in /etc/ppp/options does this, so that's what I've done. When I upload the next version (to put the group back to ``dip''),

Re: Packaging questions regarding plan

1997-06-23 Thread Alex Yukhimets
On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: What about the motif-dummy thingie we discussed? How can I run plan having Motif and not lesstif installed? Can you make sure it doesn't Depends: on lesstif, but rather on a virtual package 'motif-libs' which lesstif, and a

New field `Entered-Date' in Packages.gz

1997-06-23 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
That would be enable the WWW pages to mark the new packages with a `[NEW!]'. It look a silly feature, but I think that it would be very useful to users. Other package management utilities can take advantage of this field too... -- Nicolás Lichtmaier.- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Only the binary target, if you want to be strict (though that's enough, of course). Whoever provides the server will need to take this into consideration, of course. We can't assume that the server is going to be secure against attacks in

Re: svgalib-dummy again

1997-06-23 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: So, what method do you prefer? Or do you have better ideas? How hard would it be to implement versioned Provides: in dpkg? Or are there other reasons not to implement it? Is solution 2) too kludgy? I strongly prefer method 1. I really think dpkg

svgalib where new version (security hole)

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
Hell, I've seen that security hole in zvg, reported in linux-security etc. They say: From: ksrt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-security@redhat.com Subject: [linux-alert] svgalib/zgv [..] Patch/Fix: svgalib-1.2.11 will address this security issue. Look for

Re: svgalib-dummy again

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: So, what method do you prefer? Or do you have better ideas? How hard would it be to implement versioned Provides: in dpkg? Or are there other reasons not to implement it? Is solution 2) too kludgy? I strongly prefer method 1. I really think

Re: Editor wars considered harmful

1997-06-23 Thread SirDibos
On 23 Jun 1997, Sven Rudolph wrote: (Nowadays many people won't install base from floppy, so I'd even risk more base floppies, but currently this is plain speculation, because there is enough free space (more than 800kBK for 1.44MB floppies).) Ehhh! Ix nay! Hold on! No way man. I dont

Re: Dpkg in C for speed?

1997-06-23 Thread Camm Maguire
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Camm Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greetings! Well, what do you think? Dpkg in C as opposed to the C it's in now? -- James Greetings! Please accept my apologies. I didn't actually check dpkg itself, but made an inference from the

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Only the binary target, if you want to be strict (though that's enough, of course). Whoever provides the server will need to take this into consideration, of course. We can't assume that

Re: New field `Entered-Date' in Packages.gz

1997-06-23 Thread joost witteveen
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] Subject: New field `Entered-Date' in Packages.gz That would be enable the WWW pages to mark the new packages with a `[NEW!]'. It look a silly feature, but I think that it would be very useful to users. Other package management

Re: Editor wars considered harmful

1997-06-23 Thread Bruce Perens
Show me a computer that can boot off a cdrom... and gimme a cdrom that will boot up debian... And Ill buy it like a shot. Most modern motherboards will boot an IDE CD-ROM in the El Torrito format. The Debian Official CD will boot into the installation system. No floppies, no LOADLIN, etc.

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread David Frey
On Mon, Jun 23 1997 7:25 BST Marco Budde writes: Any comments? (Please add next time a translated version too, not everyone reads natively german [I'd had a hard time to understand e.g. dutch or polish]) Copyright = Dieses Dokument ist Freeware im Sinne des

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-23 Thread Tom Lees
ghughes == ghughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ghughes [1 text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)] On Jun 22, Bruce Perens ghughes wrote Lynx can browse files directly, and can execute CGI scripts directly. ghughes True. However, it can't handle gzipped pages, and ghughes hacking

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread Martin Schulze
David Frey writes: On Mon, Jun 23 1997 7:25 BST Marco Budde writes: Any comments? (Please add next time a translated version too, not everyone reads natively german [I'd had a hard time to understand e.g. dutch or polish]) *smile* Some german people have problems understanding

Re: Packaging questions regarding plan

1997-06-23 Thread Erik B. Andersen
On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: What about the motif-dummy thingie we discussed? How can I run plan having Motif and not lesstif installed? Can you make sure it doesn't Depends: on lesstif, but rather on a virtual package 'motif-libs' which lesstif, and a

Re: New field `Entered-Date' in Packages.gz

1997-06-23 Thread Erik B. Andersen
That would be enable the WWW pages to mark the new packages with a `[NEW!]'. It look a silly feature, but I think that it would be very useful to users. Other package management utilities can take advantage of this field too... --=20 Nicol=E1s Lichtmaier.- Fine with me. We

Re: Use of suidmanager

1997-06-23 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On Jun 23, Michael Meskes wrote Could anyone please tell me the advantages of suidmanager as it is right now? it's useless, because not all packages use it. I can see the usefullness of a tool like that, but I wonder if there should be a daily test run to make sure no other file are suid.

Re: Editor wars considered harmful

1997-06-23 Thread Erik B. Andersen
Show me a computer that can boot off a cdrom... and gimme a cdrom that will boot up debian... And Ill buy it like a shot. Most modern motherboards will boot an IDE CD-ROM in the El Torrito format. The Debian Official CD will boot into the installation system. No floppies, no LOADLIN,

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread Mark Baker
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: (in fakt so much, that I may be tempted to write it myself. You don't need that many changes). Well, you need to write your own version of make that looks for any attempt to run chmod, chown etc, and then fakes all the ownership and modes in the

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread Erik B. Andersen
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: (in fakt so much, that I may be tempted to write it myself. You don't need that many changes). Well, you need to write your own version of make that looks for any attempt to run chmod, chown etc, and then fakes all the ownership and modes in

Re: Packaging questions regarding plan

1997-06-23 Thread Alex Yukhimets
I don't think that support for different Moitfs are needed. All known software despite of being compiled with Motif 2.0 does not use features not present in Motif 1.2 The reason for this is that big unices does not have Motif 2.0 actively shiped from the vendors yet and using Motif 2.0

Re: NFS lockfiles etc: alpha implementation

1997-06-23 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Jun 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: After all the talk about NFS lockfiles etc, and checking out Lars's publib, I decided to write the locking functions from scratch. 2. The functions should be documented in

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-23 Thread Galen Hazelwood
Mark Baker wrote: g77: needs gcc source code to build Yes, but the alternative is for the source package to be much bigger than it needs to be. A better solution would be to merge the source packages. Perhaps you mean something else by the word merge, but, again, merged sources

Re: Hamm: Retracting request for chos to be standard

1997-06-23 Thread Tom Lees
Christoph == Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christoph Lilo 2.0 has the ability to display a file before the Christoph prompt and also the ability to boot something with a Christoph single keystroke. If someone could update the lilo Christoph package and provide a

Re: GCC cross-compilation

1997-06-23 Thread Galen Hazelwood
Michael Meskes wrote: Does this mean I could upload all architecture version for my packages? If so yes, I think it's useful. Michael Well, I personally distrust cross-compilers...at least gcc cross compilers. I know that at least one crossover (i386-alpha) has been known to produce