Hi,
Raul == Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Raul Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why should you make your package conform?
Raul Because it's the right thing to do.
If we all did the right thing we would not need a policy or a
constitution, would we now? This is a weak
I have put some hopefully helpful information regarding this bug up on
the X Strike Force page.
http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html
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Branden Robinson wrote:
/etc/X11/window-managers is created in xbase's postinst iff the file does
not already exist.
Elimination of behavior like this is on my List.
The long-term plan is:
1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase
2) mark it as a conffile
3) separate twm
Ben Pfaff wrote:
Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window
manager? So postinst scripts would run it like this:
register-window-manager pathname priority
You know, this looks like a job for update-alternatives. Maybe we should
have a
Branden Robinson wrote:
1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase
2) mark it as a conffile
3) separate twm into its own package
4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager
FWIW, 2 and 4 conflict. I think it's in policy now (or soon will be) that a
package cannot modify any conffile,
Hi, folks, your friendly neighborhood X maintainer here.
XFree86 3.3.2-4 just got installed into the archive today (I uploaded it
Sunday).
Unless you have bandwidth to spare, please don't download it without
good reason. With impeccable timing, a CERT bulletin warning of
possible security
Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window
manager? So postinst scripts would run it like this:
register-window-manager pathname priority
You know, this looks like a job for update-alternatives. Maybe we should
have a
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Yann Dirson wrote:
Jason Gunthorpe writes:
Well, I have not observed that dpkg is capable of placing guarentees on
the dependency state during the *rm scripts. Alot of packages make use of
their dependents during their removal which leads the the problem that you
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Igor Grobman wrote:
What if the person does not want to use dselect? Many people (not me) prefer
to download packages themselves, and dpkg -i them. Now that ftp is removed,
they would either have to download netstd using something other than linux,
or
use dselect
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote:
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
The sensitivity to good disks is, as I understand it, caused by poor
BIOS floppy drivers and is independent of the Linux kernel, let alone
which
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 08:54:18PM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote:
Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window
manager? So postinst scripts would run it like this:
register-window-manager pathname priority
You know, this looks like a job for
Branden Robinson wrote:
Uh, I've never played with alternatives before. Would someone care to
flesh out this proposal?
Sure.. make all window managers that would previously register themselves in
/etc/X11/window-managers instead register themselves as an alternative
providing
Actually I like that a lot better myself. Could we do it that way
instead, Branden?
Uh, I've never played with alternatives before. Would someone care to
flesh out this proposal?
Okay, here we go:
/usr/bin/sensible-window-manager (or whatever) is a symlink to one of
the
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
(predepend, isn't it?) Given the binaries provided by xbase -- BTW, some of
No, predepends would be used if the ore-inst needs the package, since the
post inst is what uses it there is no need.
Jason
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So I go to all the trouble of drafting a proposal for
register-window-manager, and even start coding it, and you guys don't want
to use it?
*sigh*
All right, if we can weather the inevitable religious flame war about which
what the default priority for each window manager should be, I'll
So I go to all the trouble of drafting a proposal for
register-window-manager, and even start coding it, and you guys don't want
to use it?
Don't overreact. Marcelo just brought up what may be a valid point.
Does either proposal include support for varying default command-line
options
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please point the clause to me that I should use the help of a
a dictionary to elucidate for my feeble intellect.
Policy: 1. a plan of action; way of management; It is a poor policy to
promise more than you can do. The tight-money policy was also
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Raul Since when is The flight of the Bumble Bee the right thing to
Raul do?
Since I decided on it. What is to prevent me?
This epitomises the point you insist on missing here.
What prevents you, is YOU. If it turns out that you are a painful
I am not a lawyer either, but...
Marcus Brinkmann said:
The other comments state the difference in copyright law, if everything is
forbidden that is not explicitely allowd or if everything that is not
explicitely forbidden is allowed.
I don't really see how this applies here...
Yes, the
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 07:00:48PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
What if the person does not want to use dselect? Many people (not me)
prefer
to download packages themselves, and dpkg -i them. Now that ftp is
removed,
they would either have to download netstd using something other
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:53:22PM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote:
Okay, it's a good thing you brought that up then. Does Branden's
proposal include support for this? Perhaps I need to go back and read
it better, but I don't remember anything about command-line options.
Branden proposes the
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At 14:17 28/04/98 -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
which is my point on, the fact that it's a little hypocritical (not very,
but a little), for the FSF to make emacs compilable out of the box for
Motif. They would never do that for Qt, which would be free to
I am getting a quirky bug with lilo. I have a 4gig Wide SCSI drive that
is set to scsi id 0. I can partition the disk, write to the disk, read,
mount it as /, but I cannot boot from it (The boot flag is set on the
first primary partition). I have an adaptec 2940UW controller w/ 2.0.33.
Lilo runs
Hello,
If You're Marketing a Product, Service, or Opportunity on the Internet,
or Through an Online Service, or Have a Web Site, You Will *Definitely*
Be Interested In What We Have To Offer.
We'll send out Your *Targeted* E-mail Advertisement. Period.
No qualifiers, no conditions, no
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sounds good.
I know it sounds good. I just want to be sure that's it's the right
thing to do. :)
So my understanding is that only i386 and m68k are to be official 2.0
releases. alpha (and other) will wait for 2.1.
Guy
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Hi,
Philip == Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Philip [Oxford English Dictionary] policy[1]: noun. prudent conduct,
Philip sagacity; course or general plan of action (to be) adopted by
Philip government, party, person etc.
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] also quoted things
similar.
emacs needed to work with motif to run on proprietary operating systems
Uhh, that's deep into fantasy land. Emacs didn't use *any* widget set
until emacs19, and emacs18 worked all over the place (and the problems
it had on newer platforms had far more to do with memory allocation
than window
http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9804/msg01409.html
A reasonable amount of time has passed. I'll check a few randomly
selected mirrors and restore the links if all is well.
Guy
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On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:41:08PM -0400, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
Darren/Torin/Who Ever... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry, I mis-stated the question. Why does libnet-perl depend on
data-dumper in base. I thought we (as in debian-devel) had discussed
not asking the libnet-perl
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:14:46PM -0700, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
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P.S. Why is data-dumper in base?
'Cause libnet-perl depends on it.
Sorry, I mis-stated the question. Why does
yeah, lintian might be cool, but it didn't make it into unstable until
a week or two ago, so I haven't tried it...
I don't know how I missed the 19217 bug report, but a fixed xcontrib
is in Incoming as of a few hours ago; it didn't help the situation
that xload was added back late after it fell
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:02:56AM -0400, Christopher C. Chimelis wrote:
I agree with this and it's been very frustrating to try to get things
ported over (fyi, for the x86 folks). Also, often, new upstream sources
Is there an alpha machine with accounts available so that we i386
maintainers
matthew.r.pavlovich.1 wrote:
I am getting a quirky bug with lilo. I have a 4gig Wide SCSI drive that
is set to scsi id 0. I can partition the disk, write to the disk, read,
mount it as /, but I cannot boot from it (The boot flag is set on the
first primary partition). I have an adaptec
i agree with you.
a) every package should use suidmanager if it needs a 1000 2000 or 4000 bit.
b) every package should document why it uses this special permission in
/usr/doc/package/Security.Note (or README.Debian ?).
c) security should be more important than functionality or
matthew.r.pavlovich.1 wrote:
I am getting a quirky bug with lilo. I have a 4gig Wide SCSI drive that
is set to scsi id 0. I can partition the disk, write to the disk, read,
mount it as /, but I cannot boot from it (The boot flag is set on the
first primary partition). I have an adaptec 2940UW
Martin Schulze wrote:
I thought lintian already detects setuid binaries and needs
confirmation by the author that it needs to be setuser or
not.
Not really. It warns for suid and sgid binaries in the package; but often,
packages don't include such binaries directly. They call suidregister
in
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Remember, /etc/X11/window-managers is *only* used if the person using
startx or logging in with XDM has no ~/.xsession file, which I image most
experienced X users have.
Will there be a way for a user to change his wm without copying over
the whole
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:40:17AM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote:
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Remember, /etc/X11/window-managers is *only* used if the person using
startx or logging in with XDM has no ~/.xsession file, which I image most
experienced X users have.
Will there
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:29:20AM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
a) every package should use suidmanager if it needs a 1000 2000 or 4000 bit.
b) every package should document why it uses this special permission in
/usr/doc/package/Security.Note (or README.Debian ?).
Make it an
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:58:47PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
So I go to all the trouble of drafting a proposal for
register-window-manager, and even start coding it, and you guys don't want
to use it?
*sigh*
Let's use our existing tools if possible. You are doing a wonderful work
with
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Philip [Oxford English Dictionary] policy[1]: noun. prudent conduct,
Philip sagacity; course or general plan of action (to be) adopted by
Philip government, party, person etc.
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] also quoted things
similar. So, we
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 10:53:36AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote:
(add a xterm -sl 500 -sb -ls -fn 10x20 -j line before the exec if you
Wow, that's a mighty Byzantine xterm line. But to each his own. :)
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On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 05:30:26AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 10:53:36AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote:
(add a xterm -sl 500 -sb -ls -fn 10x20 -j line before the exec if you
Wow, that's a mighty Byzantine xterm line. But to each his own. :)
Well, it's only the
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there an alpha machine with accounts available so that we i386
maintainers could try doing alpha compiles ourselves?
No. The machines that most alpha developers have available are either
not well connected, in environments that require more security,
On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Branden Robinson wrote:
On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 12:25:56PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
What happened? Were the files simply removed? I was just downloading them to
test the new version.
Oops. Sorry, yes, they were, hence my WITHDRAWN message on
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 02:06:55PM +0200, Remco Blaakmeer wrote:
Can you make that -5 so that those who did get the broken version will get
the right version? Releasing two different versions of a package with the
same release number is bad, IMHO, even if the first one was only available
for a
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Then Technical Committee does not engage in design of new
Should be The, I think.
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While we're talking about language issues and people not speaking
english: if we want Debian to be one day a valid choice for a lambda
user in a random country, we *will* have to work out some mechanism
that allows translated Descriptions: fields.
[I guess this issue does not really belong to
On 28 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I prefer the codification of rules that have to be followed
and putting them out in the open, rather than continuing to depend on
the judgement of a few good people in perpetuity. Some have called my
view fascist.
Codification of
not a good idea. remove all special permissions from all
files, and use sudo. guy could add a hook to his scripts
on master, and reject all packages with suid/sgid
permissions. it's a very easy thing.
Not really. Administrators may decide not to rely on the
security of sudo, but on a few
Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
May I suggest that you forward your message upstream to either the kernel
people or those who do the drivers. It is downright embarrasing to have
our favourite OS not be able to read a floppy reliably.
Actually, my points were that almost all of
Tonight I upgraded to current hamm; I was asked if I wanted to replace my
issue and issue.net files; I replied N to both. issue was preserved,
but issue.net is gone!
The preinst for base-files removes /etc/issue.net if it is a link (why?)
but it wasn't.
Hamish
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I have been using linux for a while now but as far as
Debian is concerned I am a Relative newbie...
I have finnally gotten to that stage of waning to help out and
decided to register and take over a package that someone didn't
want.
Comming from this position
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On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Tonight I upgraded to current hamm; I was asked if I wanted to replace my
issue and issue.net files; I replied N to both. issue was preserved,
but issue.net is gone!
The preinst for base-files removes
Someone (I don't have the list archive handy here so I can't remember who)
said on the firewalls list recently that security policy (but I think it
also is valid for debian policy) should be regarded as a cache of good,
well thought out decisions.
Policy represents the collective wisdom of a lot
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If nobody objects, I intent to take mawk and gawk.
[ There have been no maintainer uploads since March 1997, is one year
enough? ].
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Hi,
Philip == Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] also quoted things
similar. So, we have officially accepted and ratified the Policy
documents, I take it, and I just missed the party?
If the project has indeed ``adopted'' the Policy documents, I have
Hi,
Ian == Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ian Manoj suggests on the one hand that there is too little control
Ian over the Technical Committee, and then on the other hand that we
Ian should elevate policy (which is currently decided on by fiat by
Ian one person, in cases where they choose
Hi,
Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dale The Policy Statement is a set of rules for the behavior of
Dale developers, set down by the ruling body, sometimes referred to
Dale as the government. When those rules are viewed as more
Dale important than the people participating, that
Hi,
I intend to package uedit. I've always bemoaned the lack of a decent
editor on Linux, but I've finally found one. For all those of you
who, like me, have long detested the bloated pig that is X11, you will
rejoice to know that this editor is console based.
This editor bypasses the bloated,
Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If nobody objects, I intent to take mawk and gawk.
I object. I've talked with Christopher and I'm taking the packages on
a temporary basis (but as the real maintainer). Christopher still
wants to maintain mawk gawk and is still around, he anticipates
I'll take it as read that there are no objections. How could there
be?
Gadzooks! You know, it's almost May 1, but that's not the same thing
as April 1, not at all. I hope that this is a joke, at any rate it's
not a very funny one. This program is a monstrosity.
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On 29 Apr 1998, James Troup wrote:
Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If nobody objects, I intent to take mawk and gawk.
I object.
I've talked with Christopher and I'm taking the packages on
a temporary basis (but as the real maintainer).
I
ok, i tried to install from cdrom.
cd1 containes : main
cd2 containes : contrib, non-US, non-free (and other stuff)
a) my cd contained only frozen. but dselect want's stable ...
b) some problem with perl : dselect-install did not work.
i helped myself with dpkg -iGROEB /cdrom
c) gpm has a
Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If nobody objects, I intent to take mawk and gawk.
I object. I've talked with Christopher and I'm taking the
packages on a temporary basis (but as the real maintainer).
I object to taking a package in secret without announcing it here first,
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I thought you had zero intention to maintain a non-free package.
Have you changed your mind?
To get maximum speed uedit will disable the
wasteful multi-tasking behaviour of Linux and make it do the Right
thing, DOS-style single-tasking. Obviously neither X
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I intend to package uedit. I've always bemoaned the lack of a decent
editor on Linux, but I've finally found one. For all those of you
who, like me, have long detested the bloated pig that is X11, you will
O my god!! This is true. I downloaded it, and the README is pretty much what
James has written. I tried starting it, and it managed to kill exmh, but not
all of X exiting with Setup Eror: Unable to Initialize Program. What a
pity, it failed to kill X :).
Um... I suddenly have a strange
This mail message started out as a response to Marcus Brinkmann's
comment on the policy list:
I think that [the multiple maintainer] issue can't be resolved
properly (we are stuck) without further input from all the other
developers not participating on debian-policy.
I'm hardly a
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On 29 Apr 1998, James Troup wrote:
Uh, first and foremost, mawk and gawk are *not* orphaned.
What do you mean by orphaned, then? Perhaps we should agree on a common
definition of orphaned.
And what's being done in secret? I'm announced my intent in my
it's not an easy task. dpkg/dselect make everything complex,
in fact i have no idea how these can work with the binaries split on two
cdroms. also, they don't work if only frozen is present, and not stable.
i have written Makefiles (much nicer then the old shell scripts) to create the
cdroms, but
from a first look at debian 2.0 i'm disappointed. ok, everything is moved to
glibc, and there are lots of new packages. but where is the enhancement ?
- with installing (n) dictionaries you are asked (n-1) time to select
the default one. simlimiar thing with programs who can view
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
: Finally, realize that packages-wise, we probably rival RedHat's Alpha
: port---something on the order of 800+ packages are available on the
: Alpha. However, that's *half* of the number available in Debian/i386.
That raises an interesting question, that
Hi.
The new version of IPlogger offers a new feature: when there is a TCP
connection attempt, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is now logged instead of host.
However, if strobe is run on localhost, a connection to identd is done
at each connection, and then the auth service is disabled after about
60
Bdale Garbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd like to propose that if a non-i386 architecture has a reasonable
installation process and base archive, plus .deb's for all packages
marked as 'standard' or higher in the i386 tree (modulo obvious
exceptions like lilo), that it be considered ready for
I've just done an initial install on a Alpha machine that was
originally setup with RH 4.2. I upgraded the machine to RH 5.0. I
then reworked and did the initial install of Debian hamm on another
partition and am now duel-booting. I have consideral experience with
Debian-i386, but do not
James Troup wrote:
As to placement within the Debian archive, it will have to go to
non-free as due to the haranguing and harassment of inhabitants of
comp.os.linux.* the author is loathed to reveal his secrets in case
sicko Linux-leechers try to steal his ideas, so there is no source.
I must
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, policy means something which has been adopted by a body. Hace
we actually done so? Am I saying we interpret the contents of the
policy documents differently? no, but the significance of the policy
documents definitely shall change.
Er...
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 09:22:20PM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
f) xserver offered my to configure now. this failed, because not everything
was installed, so it could not work.
Can you be more specific?
There is nothing in the xserver postinst that demands the presence of
xbase. I
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
David Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am, however, curious what happened to xmem, it seems to have slipped
through the cracks of xcontrib and xproc. Will it be packaged
seperately? Should it be part of one of those humongous X builds?
The xmem
Hi,
Raul == Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Raul Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, policy means something which has been adopted by a body. Hace
we actually done so? Am I saying we interpret the contents of the
policy documents differently? no, but the significance of the
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:02:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
This discussion is ridiculous.
In my view singular `they' is perfectly correct. If I can use it in
my PhD thesis (with a footnote[1] and supporting references, and
without any complaint from the examiners) then we can use it here.
f) xserver offered my to configure now. this failed, because not
everything
was installed, so it could not work.
Can you be more specific?
There is nothing in the xserver postinst that demands the presence of
xbase. I assume makedev and libc6 were installed and configured.
On 29 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi,
Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dale The Policy Statement is a set of rules for the behavior of
Dale developers, set down by the ruling body, sometimes referred to
Dale as the government. When those rules are viewed as more
Dale
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