Re: Time to say goodbye...

1998-05-05 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Michael Meskes wrote: Jim Pick writes: I must admit, I've been entirely negligent in following the policy discussions - due to lack of time, I've skipped them entirely. Me too. I suspect that most of the other older maintainers are the same way - they've skipped

Dependencies problem

1998-05-05 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hi, my package ncpfs provides a shared library (libncp). When trying to build using dpkg-buildpackage, debstd gives several errors about not being able to find dependencies for the binaries in the package. The problem goes away if I provide a shlibs.local file like this: libncp 1 ncpfs (=

RSync

1998-05-05 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
Are there any alternatives to rsync that don't use as much memory? andrew 21911 0.6 19.5 24596 12252 ? S12:05 1:49 rsync That's prettty high (and I've seen higher).. I think I will email the author. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Time to say goodbye...

1998-05-05 Thread G John Lapeyre
Michael Meskes wrote: Jim Pick writes: I must admit, I've been entirely negligent in following the policy discussions - due to lack of time, I've skipped them entirely. Me too. Me three. I am but a humble physics student ( ;-) ) who wants to package a few science things for his

Re: Run away TCSH

1998-05-05 Thread G John Lapeyre
Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: Mark W. Eichin wrote: someone on tcsh-dev found that bug - I sent in the particular patch as a bug report, but haven't heard anything (on this or on the TCSH was orphaned for six months. I took maintainership three days before the freeze. I have since solved

ideas underlying policy

1998-05-05 Thread Raul Miller
This is a draft. I've written a document which touches on what I feel are important meta-policy issues. It's a little bit of history, a little bit of speculation, and a bit of an essay on how I think of debian. I'm sure other people have different ideas. I hope none of what I've written makes

Re: Dependencies problem

1998-05-05 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hello, Eloy Hi, my package ncpfs provides a shared library (libncp). When trying Eloy to build using dpkg-buildpackage, debstd gives several errors about Eloy not being able to find dependencies for the binaries in the Eloy package. Errors or warnings? Actually they are warning,

Re: bug #21739 - xfstt -- comments?

1998-05-05 Thread sjc
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 10:56:43PM +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:28:20AM -0400, Stephen Carpenter wrote: I have been working on the xfstt package to take it over. Until a few days ago there was only one bug of Wishlist priority filed against it which is now

Re: Intention to adopt auto-pgp

1998-05-05 Thread Mike Deisher
Dirk, On Mon, 4 May 1998 12:52:52 -0400 (EDT), Dirk Eddelbuettel [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The auto-pgp package has been touched since November 1995, and has currently seven open bugs filed against it. If nobody objects, I will adopt auto-pgpt by uploading a version which corrects the 7 bugs

Re: RSync

1998-05-05 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
[On fmirror:] Rob It's syntax made it really easy to specify things like I want a Rob mirror of unstable and frozen, but only the {disks,binary}-{i386,all} Rob stuff. To do the same thing in mirror syntax is a much bigger hassle. Shouldn't have to be, especially for someone as Perl-savvy

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-05-05 Thread Rob Browning
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking for binary-powerpc there will not be 2.0. I hope we'll be ready for 2.1. I wonder if it would be useful to remove binary-powerpc from hamm completely and only work on slink. Speaking of the powerpc distribution, how's it doing? Is there any

Visual IDE?

1998-05-05 Thread SEGV
I'm sitting here looking at my unused copy of Visual Studio 5.0 for Windows, and thinking of the pathetic UNIX IDEs I have used in the past two years. - SparcWorks on Solaris - Softbench on HP-UX - ladebug etc. on Digital UNIX Even XEmacs with Sparcworks integration doesn't do it for me. So

Re: Visual IDE?

1998-05-05 Thread Ben Pfaff
Even XEmacs with Sparcworks integration doesn't do it for me. So basically I use XEmacs to edit my source and make files, and the command line to compile. I debug with whatever debugger is best for the platform I am using that day. What exactly are your objections to Emacs'

Re: Visual IDE?

1998-05-05 Thread
I believe the `Cygnus Foundry', by Cygnus, is a UNIX-based IDE - not certain, though. But like most commercial UNIX software, it costs a pretty penny. -c SEGV I'm sitting here looking at my unused copy of Visual Studio 5.0 for Windows, and thinking of the pathetic UNIX IDEs I have used in

Re: RSync

1998-05-05 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
[List people, please do not CC: Andrew, I'm cc'ing this to the list to follow up on the thread I started earlier.] On Tue, 5 May 1998, Andrew Tridgell wrote: We at Debian have been using rsync to mirror our ftp and web archives and unfortunately in our case rsync uses a massive amount of

Re: RSync

1998-05-05 Thread Andrew Tridgell
Seems to be working much better. I just installed it on our main servers, the client gets, treacy 29488 4.4 5.2 3768 3320 p5 S20:32 0:15 rsync -avz treacy 29511 7.9 9.8 6660 6164 p5 S20:33 0:23 rsync -avz And the server gets, treacy 15724 9.7 6.5 5512

Re: Run away TCSH

1998-05-05 Thread Mark W. Eichin
Yes, in fact, I apologize for not noticing your response -- I'd forgotten that I sent it in from another account which I don't check as often (*blush*) so after sending my rant, I then went back and found it in my mail box. Oops. Also, I didn't know that it had been orphaned; that would

Re: Packages marked as Obsolete

1998-05-05 Thread Joey Hess
James Troup wrote: *** gamesOpt xtet42 2.02-8 none Moved to some `Dead' directory in master, I can't remember the location of offhand. Copyright renders it undistributable IIRC. Actually, these is no known copyright, and the author cannot

Re: bug #21739 - xfstt -- comments?

1998-05-05 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Hi, I am writing a little font manager for debian (dtm, you can find it in slink) and some time ago I proposed to put all the fonts (the one independent from arch) in /usr/share/fonts. If the fonts have both outlines and metrics like type1 fonts we can use subdirs:

Debian 2.0

1998-05-05 Thread Tobias Josefsson
Hi there! I was just wondering when Debian release 2.0 is going to be released... Does anyone know? Thanks Tobias Josefsson - bobbe on irc.stealth.net channels #forsmark #linux - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Copyright of fontinst.

1998-05-05 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 05:31:20PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 4 May 1998, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: Hi, some time ago I expressed the intent to package fontinst (a TeX/LaTeX package). I asked the author about the licence and here's

Re: Time to say goodbye...

1998-05-05 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
Craig Sanders wrote: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Michael Meskes wrote: Jim Pick writes: I must admit, I've been entirely negligent in following the policy discussions - due to lack of time, I've skipped them entirely. Me too. I suspect that most of the other older maintainers are the

ftp client for the base system

1998-05-05 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:15:16 +0100, I wrote: We have a little conflict here: - The netbase maintainer says telnet should stay in netstd. - I don't want to put the whole netstd (~1.2MB uncompressed) into the base system. (That would be one base floppy more). - Files in the base system

hamm

1998-05-05 Thread Kenneth . Scharf
Does the kernel source package in hamm (kernel-source-2.0.33 2.0.33-7.deb) include the patch for fat32? I am getting patch failures (.rej's) trying to apply this patch to earlier sources from bo, so I used a generic 2.0.33 kernel source from sunsite archive. I will upgrade to hamm when it is

Re: ideas underlying policy

1998-05-05 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, when Debian was formed it had only one developer, and no one could contribute packages, since that would have diluted the distributions tight integration. This bazaar thing has evolved. My memory doesn't extend back that far, nor

Re: hamm

1998-05-05 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:35:19AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the kernel source package in hamm (kernel-source-2.0.33 2.0.33-7.deb) include the patch for fat32? Yes, it does. From /usr/doc/kernel-source-2.0.33/changelog.debian.gz: ... kernel-source-2.0.33 (2.0.33-3) stable

Re: Debian 2.0

1998-05-05 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:59:36AM +0200, Tobias Josefsson wrote: I was just wondering when Debian release 2.0 is going to be released... Does anyone know? Yes, I know. When it's ready :-) Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian

Re: Apt is cool (yay!) - What about bo?

1998-05-05 Thread Joost Kooij
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Jules Bean wrote: Hi! Just installed apt_0.0.8. My impression is that it is significantly faster than dpkg-ftp. Could be pyschological, though ;) No, it probably is. It advoids alot of the time consuming steps, read

The early days of Debian (was Re: ideas underlying policy)

1998-05-05 Thread jdassen
On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 12:10:54AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Actually, when Debian was formed it had only one developer, and no one could contribute packages, since that would have diluted the distributions tight integration. This bazaar thing has evolved. I remember Debian 0.04.

Packages marked as Obsolete

1998-05-05 Thread Matthias Klose
Manoj Srivastava writes: Hi, While we are talking about obsolete packages, what is the story on these? I mean, I would not like to just remove all the picons packages (why are they marked obsolete)? What about ckermit? How many of these are actually obsolete, and how many just have

Re: Visual IDE?

1998-05-05 Thread Andy Kahn
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 10:29:50PM -0400, SEGV wrote: I'm sitting here looking at my unused copy of Visual Studio 5.0 for Windows, and thinking of the pathetic UNIX IDEs I have used in the past two years. - SparcWorks on Solaris - Softbench on HP-UX - ladebug etc. on Digital UNIX ...

Re: Packages marked as Obsolete

1998-05-05 Thread Daniel Martin at cush
Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *** x11 Opt tkdesk 1.0b4-2.1 none this package could use blt8.0-unoff Actually, it can't, but that's because other bits of tkdesk are incompatible with tcl/tk 8.0. As the upstream source of tkdesk comes with its own blt, that's getting

Re: ideas underlying policy

1998-05-05 Thread Buddha Buck
This is a draft. I've written a document which touches on what I feel are important meta-policy issues. It's a little bit of history, a little bit of speculation, and a bit of an essay on how I think of debian. I'm sure other people have different ideas. I hope none of what I've

Re: Coming to closure on ae...

1998-05-05 Thread Anand Kumria
On Sat, 2 May 1998, Dale Scheetz wrote: There doesn't seem to be a reliable method for determining whether or not you are in an xterm. Any method so far suggested has natural configuration situations that break the method. How about just checking for the existance of the DISPLAY variable?

Re: Coming to closure on ae...

1998-05-05 Thread Anand Kumria
On Wed, 6 May 1998, Anand Kumria wrote: [snip] I guess I should learn to read faster since it has already been mentioned many times. Anand -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Coming to closure on ae...

1998-05-05 Thread Carlos Barros
On Wed, 6 May 1998, Anand Kumria wrote: On Sat, 2 May 1998, Dale Scheetz wrote: There doesn't seem to be a reliable method for determining whether or not you are in an xterm. Any method so far suggested has natural configuration situations that break the method. How

Re: RSync

1998-05-05 Thread Rob Browning
Dirk Eddelbuettel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shouldn't have to be, especially for someone as Perl-savvy as you. Being known as perl-savvy. Don't know whether to be insulted or complimented : a dark, hidden shame... Seriously, the problem with mirror's inclusion/exclusion mechanism is that

Re: Visual IDE?

1998-05-05 Thread Rob Browning
Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What exactly are your objections to Emacs' compile-mode and gdb-mode? I find them to be quite useful. Perhaps you could write some extensions that would make them more useful to you. I used to use CodeWarrior back when I was a Mac user (yes, I was), and

Re: ftp client for the base system

1998-05-05 Thread Rob Browning
Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been testing some simple ftp clients and qftp looks like the best option, with cftp going second on the list. If you have any comments or suggestions, now is the time, so let's hear those horror/love stories about one or the other. My favorite

Re: RSync

1998-05-05 Thread Rob Browning
Andrew Tridgell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll be releasing a anonymous rsync package soon that you guys might like. Wonderful, this might obviate my need for mirror in many cases. One thing though, is there any chance you might consider a pair of new options: --regex-include and

Re: Coming to closure on ae...

1998-05-05 Thread Martin Schulze
On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 04:48:28PM +0300, Carlos Barros wrote: On Wed, 6 May 1998, Anand Kumria wrote: There doesn't seem to be a reliable method for determining whether or not you are in an xterm. Any method so far suggested has natural configuration situations that break the

Re: ftp client for the base system

1998-05-05 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:25:40AM -0500, Rob Browning wrote: Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been testing some simple ftp clients and qftp looks like the best option, with cftp going second on the list. If you have any comments or suggestions, now is the time, so let's

Re: Coming to closure on ae...

1998-05-05 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Tue, 5 May 1998, Martin Schulze wrote: On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 04:48:28PM +0300, Carlos Barros wrote: On Wed, 6 May 1998, Anand Kumria wrote: There doesn't seem to be a reliable method for determining whether or not you are in an xterm. Any method so far suggested has natural

Re: Packages marked as Obsolete

1998-05-05 Thread Stephan Alexander Suerken
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Martin Schulze wrote: On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 09:44:41AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, While we are talking about obsolete packages, what is the story on these? I mean, I would not like to just remove all the picons packages (why are they marked obsolete)?

Re: fix for xaw security hole

1998-05-05 Thread Joost Witteveen
Hi, Joey, At the moment it's really difficult for me to apply those patches to xaw* Could I beg you (or anyone else) to do a NMU? Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tiny libraries

1998-05-05 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
I have a package that uses two very small libraries, shhmsg and shhopt. I packaged the libs separately from the program that uses them, but it has been suggested that I just incorporate them in the package that uses them (snake4). The libs are generally useful and they are distributed separately

dpkg-http and proxy cache

1998-05-05 Thread erikyyy
i have squid cache i have dpkg-http there was a time, when it worked. i could do [U]pdate in dselect, and he used the version of Packages.gz in the Cache. i can check that he uses the cache, because if i stop the cache, he fails. i can check, that the cache caches the file with Netscape. but i

Re: ideas underlying policy

1998-05-05 Thread Raul Miller
Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading your draft, I see discussion of the importance of the goals, but not the importance of the standards -- or at least, not in as many words. Fair enough. Do you think the small change you recommended satisfy this need? Or are you asking for some

Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-05 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 03:42:28PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote: I understand your concern here, but there is no restriction against distributing modified binary, only modified source. Am I the only one reading the following in the way that derived works

Re: The early days of Debian (was Re: ideas underlying policy)

1998-05-05 Thread Raul Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember Debian 0.04. Basically, it was what we'd nowadays term base + bootfloppies - an minimalistic base system on which to build the distribution. Even then, mailing lists were central to development, and development was a group effort. That was

Re: hamm

1998-05-05 Thread Bob Hilliard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Trying to upgrade via FTP to hamm would be too painfull at 28.8KB! Hi, It depends on your pain threshold, I guess. I thought that too, until I started the bo testihng program a little over a year ago. Since then I have updated from rex to bo, then bo to hamm, and

My computer died

1998-05-05 Thread Guy Maor
My computer died last Saturday, and I'm still in the process of figuring out what's wrong with it. I'll hopefully be back by Friday. Guy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: fix for xaw security hole

1998-05-05 Thread Joey Hess
Joost Witteveen wrote: Hi, Joey, At the moment it's really difficult for me to apply those patches to xaw* Could I beg you (or anyone else) to do a NMU? I will do one ASAP, and releases for bo as well. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: The early days of Debian (was Re: ideas underlying policy)

1998-05-05 Thread Dale Scheetz
You may find the first section of the Introduction to The Debian Linux User's Guide (found at www.linuxpress.com) of some interest. It is titled History, and was, for the most part, written by Ian Murdoch, so you can trust its accuracy. ;-) Luck, On Tue, 5 May 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-05 Thread Raul Miller
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one reading the following in the way that derived works are forbidden? ...provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part [...]. We need explicit permission to

Re: Alive?

1998-05-05 Thread Galen Hazelwood
James Troup wrote: Hi, Are you alive? I think Santiago is having evil ideas about hijacking packages. -- James I _am_ alive...just barely. Unfortunately, it looks like a) most of my mail for the past month ended up in the bit bucket, and b) I'm no longer going to have time to

LinuxFocus in German?

1998-05-05 Thread Marco Budde
Hi! Is anybody working on packaging the German LinuxFocus magazine? If not, I#ll do it. cu, Marco -- Uni: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fido: 2:240/5202.15 Mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.tu-harburg.de/~semb2204/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Intent to package: eggdrop

1998-05-05 Thread Johnie Ingram
This software has served the #debian channel for over 9 months, and is GPL. From the README: Eggdrop is an IRC bot, written in C. If you don't know what IRC is, this is probably not whatever you're looking for! Eggdrop, being a bot, sits on a channel and takes protective measures:

Re: Time to say goodbye...

1998-05-05 Thread Nils Rennebarth
On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:23:38AM +0100, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: Craig Sanders wrote: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Michael Meskes wrote: Jim Pick writes: I must admit, I've been entirely negligent in following the policy discussions - due to lack of time, I've skipped them entirely.

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-05-05 Thread Inaky Perez Gonzalez
Peter == Peter Tobias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter The main configuration file is /etc/inetd.conf. If xinetd is Peter installed the first time it should create /etc/xinetd.conf Peter based on the current /etc/inetd.conf. If you install a package Peter that adds an entry to /etc/inetd.conf

Re: Bug#20914: seyon package copyright (fwd)

1998-05-05 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, 5 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote: Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one reading the following in the way that derived works are forbidden? ...provided that in all above cases Seyon is intact and is not made part of any program either in whole or in part [...].

[dpkg] Installing software as a non privileged user - A suggestion

1998-05-05 Thread Sudhakar Chandrasekharan
I don't know if this has been discussed here before. Is it possible for a non privileged user to use dpkg to install a package under the user's home directory? I know this kind of installation is not perfect. But sometimes it is helpful. What are the pros and cons of this kind of an approach?