but the second error seems to be more serious. in line 1 of my
changelogfile is nothing wrong compared to the script. it just says:
z (1.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
(my package is called 'z' for now) is the name a problem (too short)?
renamed it to zet: that works. so debian package names
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Shaya Potter wrote:
Sorry for not responding directly, I only get debian-devel-digest, so I can
only respond to what I catch.
I believe linuxconf will version every change that it makes, i.e. if you
make changes w/ linuxconf and see that it didn't work, you can go back
On Sat, 30 May 1998, Jay Wardle wrote:
[...Raul wrote...]
If this can't be fixed easily, perhaps we ought to promote lprng to
standard and demote lpr to optional. Yes, I know that bug-for-bug
compatability is a nice thing, but in my experience lprng is superior to
lpr.
--
Raul
Gosh!!! This really was good Manoj. I really enjoyed reading this
technical dissertation on the magic of Debian.
Can't this be placed somewhere in www.debian.org?
E.-
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Well, there are a number of things, but the following are
important
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Joel Klecker wrote:
At 07:40 -0700 1998-06-02, Craig Sanders wrote:
BTW, the fact that you don't understand sendmail doesn't prevent
others from doing so. sendmail really isn't that difficult, and is
simpler in some ways because you don't have multiple config files
abstract: there might be a serious problem involving dselect and hamm's
new distribution format that threatens to make Debian 2.0 cd's unusable.
Hi,
I've been doing some tests lately with a harddisk with a full mirror of
hamm-i386. Apart from keeping my main home machine up to date with it, I
Santiago Does this mean the modified-for-Debian mirror may not be
Santiago distributed inside the .deb binary package?
Well, in mirror_2.9-1, all files by Lee are unmodified. No patches yet ...
Marcelo Isn't that distributing modified bynaries? I mean, you are not
Marcelo distributing
Hi,
When Hamm is released, then Hamm shall be stable. Having
stable hard coded is not such a horrendously bad idea (not great, but
not as disastrous as may seem).
Personally, I have stopped using all the dselect methods in
favour of the apt method for dselect. However, I
Bob I would like to see this feature continued if it isn't in 2.9-1
Bob by default.
Note that the license currently states that distributing modified versions of
mirror is not koscher.
There were way more patches, big and small. Maybe I should release a
mirror28 package which
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 12:35:35AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
David Reread some of my earlier messages. I firmly believe that a
David lack of strong leadership has been one of the biggest
David contributing factors in Debian's inability to put out timely
David releases.
I
Hi,
What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured
state? This shall certainly play havoc with large scale upgrades,
when latter packages require earlier packages to be configured. To be
absolutely certain, you may, in the worst case, have to set up and
configure packages
Manoj == Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Manoj Umm. I don't know how to say this tactfully. I shall
Manoj try. It may be better, I think, in this and other tasks
Manoj (like modifying dpkg), that the new author be one able to
Manoj grok the original.
*grin* No,
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:18:03AM +0200, Michael Dietrich wrote:
but the second error seems to be more serious. in line 1 of my
changelogfile is nothing wrong compared to the script. it just says:
z (1.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
(my package is called 'z' for now) is the name a problem
Manoj hit all the major points, and about every other point under the sun :)
But I would like to expand on what I think are the key differences.
1) It's a distributed volunteer based system with lots of contributors. This
sometimes leads to long arguments, but it means that policies must be
On 2 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Shell scripts should generally be mechanically transformable
to Perl, and I have had a look at this one, though not trivial, it is
certainly eminently doable. The question is, should we be doing it at
this late stage in the game?
Well, if it is
Hi,
David == David Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David Rather, my point is that strong leadership is needed to help
David keep everyone focused and the project on course in the future.
And I think if we need such leadership, we may as well pack
our bags and go home, for it is not
Manoj == Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Manoj Hi, When Hamm is released, then Hamm shall be stable. Having
Manoj stable hard coded is not such a horrendously bad idea (not
Manoj great, but not as disastrous as may seem).
Actually its a problem not because stable is hardcoded, but
Dirk == Dirk Eddelbuettel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dirk Note that the license currently states that distributing
Dirk modified versions of mirror is not koscher.
I fretted at first, then noticed what it prohibited was distributing
modified code, not modified binaries as pine demands. This may
Hi,
Johnie == Johnie Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Johnie Manoj == Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Manoj Hi, When Hamm is released, then Hamm shall be stable. Having
Manoj stable hard coded is not such a horrendously bad idea (not
Manoj great, but not as disastrous as may
Hi,
A short while ago, Ian proposed a specification for an
Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts.
I thought that the spec was very well thought out, and really,
the best bet for Debian were we to put in serious work on the
project. (Unfortunately, some of the
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:48:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured
state?
It's a reminder to me that I need to configure this package still.
This shall certainly play havoc with large scale upgrades,
when latter packages
At 12:46 PM 6/2/98 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi,
Shaya == Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Shaya Also, linuxconf shouldn't be used to configure a user's
Shaya personal information, such as .bashrc, .pinerc, those should
Shaya be left to either the program itself like in pine, or to
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 11:55:06AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi,
Charles == Charles Briscoe-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Charles Manoj Srivastava writes:
Charles $ gzip -l Sizes.hamm.*.gz
Charles compressed uncompr. ratio uncompressed_name
Charles 105201795450
On 02-Jun-1998, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pen~a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm currently writting an article for Linux Actual (an spanish
magazine on Linux) about the Debian Packaging System (more on the .deb
format than other policies) and I would like to make the BIG question,
Hi,
Drake == Drake Diedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Drake On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:48:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured
state?
DrakeIt's a reminder to me that I need to configure this package still.
I prefer
At 23:38 -0700 1998-06-02, Tyson Dowd wrote:
Manoj addressed most of the big differences in his mail. One that he
missed (or glossed over) is the difference in generation of packages.
Another one is that he didn't explain what dpkg-shlibdeps does.
dpkg encourages (practically enforces) building
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 07:43:22AM +0300, Shaya Potter wrote:
Shaya Also, linuxconf shouldn't be used to configure a user's
Shaya personal information, such as .bashrc, .pinerc, those should
Shaya be left to either the program itself like in pine, or to a
Shaya package like the dotfile
Hi,
Michael == Michael Bramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michael I think the right place is in the *.deb-file. In the
Michael control-file (like the description) or as new file in *.deb.
Why do you think so? You don't give any reasons whatsoever, so
this is not a technical statement,
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:25:39AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi,
Michael == Michael Bramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michael I think the right place is in the *.deb-file. In the
Michael control-file (like the description) or as new file in *.deb.
Why do you think so? You
Gregory S. Stark writes:
It will still be possible to port libforms programs to libfltk probably quite
easily. In many cases all that's required is making a file forms.h that
includes FL/forms.H.
Is it possible to compile lyx against it? I tried once but failed. This
would ba a major plus to
Scott Hanson writes:
At the last minute, I was able to make arrangements to attend the
Kongress in Colonge. I'll keep my eyes open for Debian folks...
Argh! And I won't. I forgot about my wife being out of town. I have to take
care of the kids. :-( For the second straight time some of you guys
Heiko Schlittermann writes:
I'll take lshell and perforate (for perforate I'm the maintainer,
as I thought for lshell too :-/ ...)
Yes, I did some NMUs for it. But since you were so busy I enterer my name to
lshells control file, just to get some feedback.
Michael
--
Dr. Michael Meskes,
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On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
Santiago Does this mean the modified-for-Debian mirror may not be
Santiago distributed inside the .deb binary package?
Well, in mirror_2.9-1, all files by Lee are unmodified. No patches yet ...
Yes, but
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Clarification, I said:
[ Otherwise, I could distribute my unmodified pine396-src package in
main, which would be clearly against DFSG ].
Really, this was not a good example, because pine copyright would
still say No commercial use of these trademarks.
Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can't. There is *no* way round this other than to upgrade
gnus if you install custom.
why not have custom conflict with older versions of gnus.
Because gnus is embedded in emacs19, not a separate package; shurely
you don't want custom to
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Shaya Potter wrote:
does it use RCS or similar to store the previous versions? if not,
how hard would it be to make it do so?
don't know, as it's been a year since I've played with it on debian.
However, that was one of the big things I requested, and from reading
the
Christian Meder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
while testing the base packages I hit the critical bugs surrounding
the update-passwd binary contained in base-passwd.
Uh, which critical bugs? --sanity-check now works as expected, is run
by default and update-passwd is no longer run automatically,
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi,
We have conflicting data here. Mrvn says that the total du
data is only 76k. Charles says that the data is about 400k (which is
way more in line with my off the cuff calculations).
If I'm right your calculations where on the basis of
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi,
Brederlow == Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Brederlow Would that already be a correct Packages file or would dpkg and
Brederlow similar scream about wrong entries? Could old dpkg's handle the
new
Brederlow entries?
As I
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 11:42:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Oh, I see. Well, that is even easier to fix ;-) A simple
search and replace should work, I think, from a perusal of the
script.
Yes, but please may someone *do* it, and do it now! It's IMHO the only thing
keeping me from
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi,
Well, now all we have to do is decide how this information
should be gathered. Does the package maintainer stick it into the deb
file? Should one upload the file separately (possibly modifying
dpkg-genchanges to also pgp stamp the
[
This post is a on the long side, and probably not of interest to many (sorry).
It comes up with the conclusion that Debian and Democracy don't mix.
]
David Voting by developers should be limited to the election and
David recall of leaders and the ratification of amendments.
Why?
I was wondering if we have reached some sort of consesus on Linuxconf.
The points that I see are
*Linuxconf can't lose any info.
--This might mean that Linuxconf will error out if it can't parse the file,
if you've made private changes to it. That's the tradeoff, you take a risk
that you won't
Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are we releasing hamm for any other architectures? I've has a few request
from new testers. Also who should they contact on architecture specific
problems?
Thanks,
Brandon
Apart from some missing Packages m68k is running stable.
My A4000T
On 03-Jun-1998, Joel Klecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 23:38 -0700 1998-06-02, Tyson Dowd wrote:
Manoj addressed most of the big differences in his mail. One that he
missed (or glossed over) is the difference in generation of packages.
Another one is that he didn't explain what
Michael Bramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:25:39AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi,
Michael == Michael Bramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michael I think the right place is in the *.deb-file. In the
Michael
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Drake On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:48:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured
state?
DrakeIt's a reminder to me that I need to configure this package still.
I prefer the
Awhile ago I read here of a package someone made called (I think) xteddy,
which was replacement login screen for X. I have just wadded through
ftp.debian and could not find it. As I just got the courage to enable xpm
on my system (WOW what a pretty login screen with the debian 'logo' and the
Since I need it for my local use anyway I think about packaging mpsql, a
graphical (lesstif) frontend for PostgreSQL. However, since it uses libhelp
it is not free for commercial use. So I guess it has to go into non-free.
Michael
--
Dr. Michael Meskes, Project-Manager| topsystem Systemhaus
Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was wondering if we have reached some sort of consesus on Linuxconf.
The points that I see are
*Linuxconf can't lose any info.
--This might mean that Linuxconf will error out if it can't parse the file,
if you've made private changes to it.
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:23:02PM +0200, Brederlow wrote:
Michael Bramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:25:39AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
dinstall get the size.gz file from the .deb file (ar -x) and put it to the
Hi,
Brederlow == Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Brederlow The size file should be generated by the server. Here are
Brederlow the reasons:
I am (perhaps unnecessarily) worried about time requirements
Brederlow 1. The upload should be unpacked to check if the gz is not
On 3 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi,
Philip == Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Philip No, because democracy is inefficient in our case.
Inefficient or not, if it is the only thing that works ...
As Philip and others have pointed out, that is as feable an argument as
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 11:17:15AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
[
This post is a on the long side, and probably not of interest to many
(sorry).
It comes up with the conclusion that Debian and Democracy don't mix.
]
yes it is long...as such I wont quote it all :)
Why? Because even
Hallo all,
as work continues, here´s my next project:
I would like to package xlogmaster available from
http://porter.desy.de/~greve/xlogmaster/
I have to get a statement from the author which License and copyright
to apply (not the single words copyright or license in the archive!
:-( ).
Hi,
Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dale We must recognise two things:
Dale 1. Debian functions as a Goal Oriented Anarchy.
Dale (Bruce called it Herding Cats)
Dale 2. The only reason it is functional is that all the cats have the
Dale same goals (for the most
Hello!
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:19:11PM +0200, joost witteveen wrote:
The document authors already can enforce a lot of things, keeping the
document free:
[...]
I want to hear valid reasons why this is not enough before I even think
about non-free documents in main!
I intend to package v2html, the verilog to HTML converter. I have a
question about the license though: Would the following be OK to allow it
in main?
--
Steve PhillipsPhone: (715) 830-1200 x109
Silicon Logic Engineering, LLPFAX: (715) 830-1887
131
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Steve Phillips wrote:
I intend to package v2html, the verilog to HTML converter. I have a
question about the license though: Would the following be OK to allow it
in main?
No way.
It says you can't charge for distribution.
So CD people can't even put it on their CDs..
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 12:59:50PM -0500, Stephen Carpenter wrote:
No, because democracy is inefficient in our case.
I would go a step further and say democracy is always inefficient, in
fact it is inefficiant by design
Indeed, there is a reason why in the US a republic was formed by our
Joost Witteveen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, that may well be true. But still the text of the GPL is clear:
you are not allowed to change it, whether you change the name of your
cahnged version or not.
You're saying that all those people who have licensed their software
under modified versions
On 3 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi,
Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dale We must recognise two things:
Dale1. Debian functions as a Goal Oriented Anarchy.
Dale(Bruce called it Herding Cats)
Dale2. The only reason it is
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 11:17:15AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
Democracy would give the majority the feeling that they have the right to
tell the few what to do, which they absolutely do not have.
That is the major falling of every democracy[...]
There are many different types of
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Joost Witteveen wrote:
sed -e s/e/E/g /usr/doc/copyright/GPL /tmp/my-changed-gpl
I wouldn't be changing the copyright of any GPL-ed programme -- and I
don't want to change those copyrights. I just want to be allowed to
execute the above command. The text of the GPL
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 10:18:40AM +0100, James Troup wrote:
Christian Meder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
while testing the base packages I hit the critical bugs surrounding
the update-passwd binary contained in base-passwd.
Uh, which critical bugs? --sanity-check now works as expected, is
Hallo all,
as a lot of us developers have to deal with copyright problems, I would
like to start this (hopefully) littly project.
I would like to write a COPYRIGHT HOWTO, which might be send to
authors of software, which a) do not state what copyright is
associated with their software and b)
Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Talked myself into a corner. Someone dig me out?
Hmm, you raised some good points I hadn't thought about...
How about this quote:
To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions that forbid
anyone to deny you these rights or to ask you to surrender
Jens Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hallo all,
as work continues, here´s my next project:
I would like to package xlogmaster available from
http://porter.desy.de/~greve/xlogmaster/
I have to get a statement from the author which License and copyright
to apply (not the single words
Brian, are you listening ?
Yes. I get my reports directly from the bug system so if it gets updated
there my reports will reflect that.
Brian
( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
Hi,
Bear == Bear Giles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bear On the other hand, proportional (or corporate) democracies can be
Bear remarkably stable. In the case of Debian, a pretty straightforward
Bear democracy can be implemented by voting by shares, where one share ==
Bear one package. You
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 09:58:03PM +0200, Joost Witteveen wrote:
OK, that may well be true. But still the text of the GPL is clear: you
are not allowed to change it, whether you change the name of your cahnged
version or not.
I'll mail RMS about this and come back to this list when I get an
Hi,
I send this message yesterday, but perhaps it did not quite make it through,
at least I did not notice it on the list...
I successfully installed Debian 2.0 on Gateway 2000 computer (P-166) using
installation disks 2.0.6. First of thanks for the nice job! There were no
real problems
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Jules Bean wrote:
Changing the GPL in your own home cannot be made illegal. Unless you have
signed a document agreeing not to - and none of us have. Distributing
modified versions of the GPL which claim to be the GPL is clearly illegal
(I hope none of you would argue
Hi,
What new and improved features would we forego if you released a
mirror28 package? I guess I will have to install 2.9 to see if I'm
happy with it.
Perhaps you could persuade the author to add support for restarts
on partially downloaded files, and any other desirable patches that
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