Previously Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
I noticed that the utils/ dir of one of the packages had RPM stuff in
it..
Most of it not very usefull.. I've adapted their bootup-script somewhat
and made a configuration script which makes configuring (possibly multiple)
soundcards a breeze. You gotta' love
On Sat, Jun 06, 1998 at 08:42:14PM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote:
On Jun 06, Santiago Vila wrote:
Documentation may be included in main so long as there are no restrictions
on the unmodified use of the documentation and no restrictions on
translating the documentation to another format,
I would like to have `mc' and the two packages it depends on placed
into the base set.
I think this is a horrendously bad idea.
agreed
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Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are man pages in the base set that I cannot read. Man isn't there.
You should be able to read them for content (even if it's not very
pretty) using ae.
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On 7 Jun 1998, James Troup wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom) writes:
I would like to have `mc' and the two packages it depends on placed
into the base set.
I think this is a horrendously bad idea.
We could then get rid of both `elvis-tiny' and `ae', and be left
with
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
: I'd like to see a Zip disk install set. What should go on it?
Heck, I have test systems with what I think are very functional installs that
run on 85 and 100meg disks... should be able to do a rousingly useful
standalone/install image on 100meg...
I'd
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
: Personally, I have stopped using all the dselect methods in
: favour of the apt method for dselect.
Absolutely!
We've put apt on every machine in sight, and it's amazing how much different
dselect seems with apt-get layered between it and dpkg.
On Sun, Jun 07, 1998 at 03:43:13PM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
I'd like to see a Zip disk install set. What should go on it?
[..]
pine
This can't be on the base disk because it's non-free. If you want, you can
make a zip disk with anything you want on it, make it bootable even... Or,
Yes this is clearly a dynamically loaded module. There is no
question that the perl binary will run if /usr/lib/libgdbm.so or whatever
is absent.
homey 41 locate GDBM
/usr/lib/perl5/i386-linux/5.004/auto/GDBM_File
/usr/lib/perl5/i386-linux/5.004/auto/GDBM_File/autosplit.ix
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How is this different from bo, where we also had three kernel versions
available and only had pcmcia modules for the first two?
No difference. And no improvement. :)
-Jim
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My last message couldn't have been more wrong ! Maybe there is a
difference between the perl interface to gdbm and some core perl function
that relies on it ?
On 7 Jun 1998, James Troup wrote:
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't
Am working on the release-critical bugs in bind. It appears that lintian flags
the 'mx' and 'ns' commands as possible namespace pollution. These, along with
'', 'soa', and 'zone' are symlinks to 'host' that do quickie lookups for
those types of records, without having to specify an option
On Sun, Jun 07, 1998 at 11:03:35PM +0200, Gergely Madarasz wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Brandon Mitchell wrote:
More incentive to do it in a signal handler, tested code:
void sig_handler (int i) {
if (i == SIGCHLD) { /* signal based
What about the idea of running the x server directly from init,
and using xdmcp? Is that bogus?
In fact, someone sent in reasonable-looking patches that do just that,
not long before I stopped working on X; they should be in one of the X
bug reports on the subject. I'd have to dig to find
On Sun, Jun 07, 1998 at 11:07:47AM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
Stephen == Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Stephen I was hacking around on xfstt earlier today.
Neat. I packed up the ttf files from the Windows[1] that came with
my Laptop, and am going to try them with
On Jun 08, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
I can't imagine why people are afraid that other people will change the
standards. Why should anybody try to apply essential changes to, for
example, the FSSTND?
Dunno. But a lot of people have a copyright restriction in the document to
make sure that the
On Sun, Jun 07, 1998 at 10:01:47PM -0600, Bdale Garbee wrote:
: Am working on the release-critical bugs in bind. It appears that lintian
flags
: the 'mx' and 'ns' commands as possible namespace pollution. These, along with
: '', 'soa', and 'zone' are symlinks to 'host' that do quickie
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
2) There needs to be a new terminal type, xterm-debian, which tracks the
latest XFree86 xterm entry but incorporates our keyboard policy (and
anything else we want to customize). I need to coordinate with the
ncurses-base maintainer and some other
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Awhile ago I read here of a package someone made called (I think) xteddy,
which was replacement login screen for X. I have just wadded through
ftp.debian and could not find it. As I just got the courage to enable xpm
on my system (WOW what a
Yann Dirson writes:
Hm, assuming the b1 means it's beta stuff, I think it would be
better to keep it in the Debian version. Changing the version number
Yes, but then slink is also beta.
* heavily using epochs
I HATE epochs!
* add a string like final to the version when out of beta (I'll
Miquel van Smoorenburg writes:
Hm, assuming the b1 means it's beta stuff, I think it would be
better to keep it in the Debian version. Changing the version number
is confusing. Yes, I now it's a pain when it gets out of beta. I
know of 4 solutions:
Another one is using a '-' as
According to Michael Meskes:
Miquel van Smoorenburg writes:
Another one is using a '-' as seperator. a '-' sorts lower then a '.',
so you can have
mpsql_2.0-b1
And then release
mpsql_2.0.0
The only problem is that mpsql_2.0 does sort lower so it depends
a bit on the
Since a few days, I'm unable to connect to ftp1.us.debian.org.
I always get an error 530 Unable to chdir.. Could somebody look
into this ?
Gregor
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On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 11:02:57AM +0200, Gregor Hoffleit wrote:
Since a few days, I'm unable to connect to ftp1.us.debian.org.
I always get an error 530 Unable to chdir.. Could somebody look
into this ?
Netgod stole its disk in order to produce some Debian CD-ROMs.
The system should come back
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On Sat, Jun 06, 1998 at 08:42:14PM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote:
On Jun 06, Santiago Vila wrote:
Documentation may be included in main so long as there are no restrictions
on the unmodified use of the
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On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Richard Braakman wrote:
Package: gcc
Maintainer: Galen Hazelwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
23123 gcc creates lots of empty files in /tmp
I tried to install debian on my laptop over the weekend and ran into several
problems, some of which I haven't seen mentioned here before:
1) PCMCIA support is broke. No, I do not mean the incorrect kernel symbols,
but the 3.0.3-1 pcmcia packages in slink that I used as a next step. They
don't
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 11:49:42AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
2) qftp needs libstd 2.7.2.* but the libstdc is 2.8.*
A NMU of me sits in incoming on master.
Nils
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* Added pre-dependency for passwd to msqld as its tools are used
in the preinst.
You're meant to obtain a consensus on
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Does anybody object?
The problem is that the _preinst_ might use the programs useradd and
groupadd. These are not in the base system nor essential. They're
included in the passwd package. They might use
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Added pre-dependency for passwd to msqld as its tools are used
in the preinst.
Does anybody object?
My original objection was going to be base around the fact that passwd
is Essential, but it turns out it isn't, my bad. I'd hate to be
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 12:17:52PM +0100, James Troup wrote:
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Added pre-dependency for passwd to msqld as its tools are used
in the preinst.
Does anybody object?
My original objection was going to be base around the fact that passwd
Santiago Vila wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Richard Braakman wrote:
Package: gcc
Maintainer: Galen Hazelwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
23123 gcc creates lots of empty files in /tmp
[FIX] Install gcc 2.7.2.3-4.5, currently in Incoming.
No, the one that creates lots of empty files in /tmp and
(I'm going to repeat here some things I said in Cologne ...)
I agree that we have a serious problem. My proposed solution is as
follows:
We should abandon attempts at `social engineering' through release
management. So, `we must do X before we release' or `you must fix bug
Y or we should
Martin Schulze wrote:
The problem is that the _preinst_ might use the programs useradd and
groupadd.
Why not do it in the postinst, at configure time? Then a normal
dependency is enough.
If the user or group does not exist on the system, dpkg will use the
numeric IDs instead.
Richard
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On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Ian Jackson wrote:
We should abandon the idea of `release goals'. Instead, if someone
thinks a thing definitely needs doing by the time of a release, they
do it. If it doesn't get done then we release anyway.
Interesting, but how does
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 01:22:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
We must decouple our development tracks much more. I propose that we
resolve never again to plan a release with is not fully backward
compatible with the current stable version.
Agreed! Those of us who have been talking about
Raul Miller wrote:
Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking as a debian advocate, it would be highly embarrassing to try
to explain something like Oh yeah, the new kernel is there, but you
can't use it yet since ... where ... stems from the person's need for
some dependant package. Example:
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 02:26:09PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote:
Martin Schulze wrote:
The problem is that the _preinst_ might use the programs useradd and
groupadd.
Why not do it in the postinst, at configure time? Then a normal
dependency is enough.
Because the uid should be present
On Sun, Jun 07, 1998 at 11:40:30PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote:
Package: bootdisk (pseudo)
Maintainer: Maintainer Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]
20779 Debian 2.0 won't boot of a hard disk after install
[STRATEGY] Enrique: This is a hardware-specific bug too. I have
Bdale Garbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am working on the release-critical bugs in bind. It appears that
lintian flags the 'mx' and 'ns' commands as possible namespace
pollution. These, along with '', 'soa', and 'zone' are symlinks
to 'host' that do quickie lookups for those types of
On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Bdale Garbee wrote:
Am working on the release-critical bugs in bind. It appears that
lintian flags the 'mx' and 'ns' commands as possible namespace
pollution. These, along with '', 'soa', and 'zone' are symlinks to
'host' that do quickie lookups for those types of
Stephen Carpenter wrote:
I would supose that it is not very common to run both xfs and xfstt on the
same machine (esp since xfstt currently only accepts 1 simultaneous
connection --something I hope to change) but still...it could happen.
I expect to continue using xfs if I ever get around to
Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dunno. But a lot of people have a copyright restriction in the document to
make sure that the actual integrity of the standard remains intact (see, for
example, the W3C's standards for HTTP and HTML).
This need is met by a label is sacred sort of
Hi. I apologize in advance for the somewhat negative tone of my reply.
I think that Ian's proposal is unrealistic, and does not address our
current problems at all.
Ian Jackson wrote:
We must decouple our development tracks much more. I propose that we
resolve never again to plan a release
Luis Francisco Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Precisely, in bo the boot-floppies had to disable pcmcia because it was
broken. I guess you never had to install using a pcmcia network card.
If we make changes to the kernels, let's make sure there is no broken
dependent package.
I don't see
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
We must decouple our development tracks much more. I propose that we
resolve never again to plan a release with is not fully backward
compatible with the current stable version.
I like this idea most of the time... but there are times when you just have to
make a
Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you unhappy with the result (hamm)? I'm not...
I'm not unhappy with hamm, but I am unhappy that we didn't have any
releases between bo and hamm.
Mind you, I've come up with workarounds, but I also had some service
outages that could have been avoided if I could
On Thu, Jun 04, 1998 at 11:26:38AM +0200, Nils Rennebarth wrote:
Btw: Am I right that C++ programs need to be compiled with egcs for debian
now?
They do not necessarily need to be recompiled with g++ (which is egcs's);
libg++272 still runs and development of binaries with it is still possible.
G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My last message couldn't have been more wrong ! Maybe there is a
difference between the perl interface to gdbm and some core perl function
that relies on it ?
I guess I'm forced to agree:
# cd /usr/lib
# ls *gdbm*
libgdbm.a libgdbm.so.1
I don't usually write to the list to say me too, but I think that
is a pretty foundamental step to be taken. I completely agree with
Ian but me too I think the stable pool is a better approach
(even if it requires more resources to be set up).
Ciao,
Maintainers have the final word only if the
On Sun, Jun 07 1998, Richard Braakman wrote:
| Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:52:58 GMT: 111 release-critical bugs in hamm.
| Package: fetchmail
| Maintainer: Paul Haggart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 23092 Security: fetchmail sends packets off site without explicit
I use
Bdale == Bdale Garbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bdale I'm inclined to agree with lintian that these are pretty
Bdale worthless. However, since this is obviously not a
Bdale release-critical issue, I thought I'd ask for opinions before I
Bdale just do it...
I'm inclined to disagree -- as an ISP
Dennis L. Clark wrote:
Can anyone think of an automated way to weed out bug reports on versions
which haven't been released into hamm from the release-critical list? A
quick fix would be to modify the priority of the bug report, but that
would be The Wrong Thing.
Automating this would be
Can anyone think of an automated way to weed out bug reports on versions
which haven't been released into hamm from the release-critical list? A
quick fix would be to modify the priority of the bug report, but that
would be The Wrong Thing.
Automating this would be wrong, I think. The
Santiago == Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Santiago Is there a way to do a non-maintainer release of
Santiago ftp.debian.org when Guy is busy?
This may be one of our biggest problems -- that such a time-critical
and important package is maintained by only a single volunteer.
The
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
: ... lintian flags the 'mx' and 'ns' commands as possible namespace pollution.
Ok, I'm convinced. The 8.1.2-2 package still includes these commands, and I
will leave them in indefinitely.
Bdale
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On Sun, Jun 07, 1998 at 05:07:23PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Stephen Carpenter wrote:
I would supose that it is not very common to run both xfs and xfstt on the
same machine (esp since xfstt currently only accepts 1 simultaneous
connection --something I hope to change) but still...it could
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We could then get rid of both `elvis-tiny' and `ae', and be
left with a powerful tool that is easy for beginners and
experienced folks alike.
And we would be left without an editor which works when in single
user mode. What a plan.
Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(including the Linux/m68k FAQ, which isn't in Debian because it's
not DFSG-free and I have no intention of making it DFSG-free),
Great Chris, but what happens if, God forbid, you (and Jörg) were to
be run over by a bus tomorrow? Your FAQ becomes worse
Ok, after a lot of emailing, ircII-current has the following license:
(from ircii.warped.com/pub/ircII/ircii-current/ircii/doc)
/*
* Copyright (c) 1990 Michael Sandrof.
* Copyright (c) 1991, 1992 Troy Rollo.
* Copyright (c) 1992-1998 Matthew R. Green.
* All rights reserved.
*
*
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Ian Jackson wrote:
So, in detail:
Every three months (fixed date) we copy the current `unstable' into
`frozen'. At this point `stable', `frozen' and `unstable' should all
stay interoperable both in source and binary form.
I fully agree on the idea, but IMHO 3 months
hi all,
i made my deb-package yesterday for i386 alpha but now: what have i
to do to release it?
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On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Richard Braakman wrote:
Every three months (fixed date) we copy the current `unstable' into
`frozen'. At this point `stable', `frozen' and `unstable' should all
stay interoperable both in source and binary form.
This is still a major operation at every freeze time.
Enlightened Sound Daemon (EsounD version 0.2)
This provides sound tools that are used by the new Enlightenment, as well
as possibly the new Gnome.
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The bug report pretty much says:
xinetd: samba 1.9.18p3-1 don't work from xinetd (from inetd is ok)
What I need is to know if this is a real bug or just a user configuration
problem. I personally do not have/use samba, but I know of at least 2 people
that use it successfully with xinetd. If
I recently uploaded linbot to master.debian.org which then was
installed on non-us.debian.org under
/pub/debian/dists/slink/main/binary-all. However, there is no
Packages file under this directory and the Packages file for
/pub/debian/dists/slink/main/binary-i386 doesn't include linbot.
Is there
[not Cc'ed to the bug tracking system for what I hope are obvious
reasons :)]
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 10:50:56AM -0700, David Welton wrote:
Ok, after a lot of emailing, ircII-current has the following license:
(from ircii.warped.com/pub/ircII/ircii-current/ircii/doc)
[...license deleted...]
Hi,
I've just uploaded kpilot to Incoming on master. This is a fairly
small program but required a LOT of hacks to Makefiles to get it to
Debianize. I would be greatly appreciative if someone familiar with
KDE would be able to review the diffs and see if I made any mistakes.
Or, better yet, if
On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 05:22:46AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 10:50:56AM -0700, David Welton wrote:
Ok, after a lot of emailing, ircII-current has the following license:
(from ircii.warped.com/pub/ircII/ircii-current/ircii/doc)
[...license deleted...]
This
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 11:39:38AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
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On Jun 06, Santiago Vila wrote:
Documentation may be included in main so long as there are no restrictions
on the
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Norbert Veber wrote:
The bug report pretty much says:
xinetd: samba 1.9.18p3-1 don't work from xinetd (from inetd is ok)
What I need is to know if this is a real bug or just a user configuration
problem. I personally do not have/use samba, but I know of at least 2
The uudeview tar.gz from upstream has a few bins, a tk script, and a lib
w/ headers. All I can see packaged is the binaries and the tk script.
Where did the lib go, or why was it not packaged.
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On Jun 09, Anthony Towns decided to present us with:
I wonder if we'd like to make a press release about this? Initial
sentiment on the IRC channel is quite positive, but I thought I'd
ask here as well.
Yes I think so. Not the first case of almost-free software being
made free:
1:
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 04:52:28PM -0300, Lalo Martins wrote:
RedHat for one doesn't care for this, so I think it's one of the
examples of what Debian is doing for Free Software with its
clear and visible ideological organization.
Well, except for the fact that they are pumping 1000's of
given that one day we will be able to release debian 2.0 :
we will have official cdrom images on some ftp servers.
a) who could burn these iamges and test them ? many cd distributors don't have
alpha and m68k machines, and i don't even trust them to test i386 machines.
b) who could burn these
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 06:55:20AM -0600, Jim wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
We must decouple our development tracks much more. I propose that we
resolve never again to plan a release with is not fully backward
compatible with the current stable version.
I like this idea most of the
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