libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
Is there an easy way to have both libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev available? I have trouble with yagirc and libgtk1.1. It compiles but I get a sigsegv when I try to run it. I was hoping that linking with libgtk (stable) would fix it, but I need gtk-1.1 for balsa. -- The only way tcsh rocks is when

Automatic packages (was Re: super pkgs)

1998-10-10 Thread Giuliano P Procida
Hi. Some people mentioned last month that it would be nice to have the automatic removal of automatically selected packages (i.e., packages selected by dselect or apt in order to satisfy dependencies) as it would fit in nicely with meta-packages implemented using (otherwise empty) .debs with

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Matthias Ettrich wrote: [snip] This GPL argument if taken to it's logical conclusion would prevent all GPL'ed code from running on any non-GPL'ed OS, as the applications have to link with the platform libraries, and are resultantly dependant on the non-GPL'ed OS.

Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!

1998-10-10 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 12:42:24PM +0200, J.H.M. Dassen Ray wrote: I'm not aware of any software in slink that must be updated to work with 2.2 properly (with the exception of pcmcia-cs); slink currently runs fine with 2.1.x (which I suspect quite a few developers run). A little tiny line in

Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!

1998-10-10 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 02:07:15PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Well, kernel-package is a single package but it would be surely a lot of work, since there are a lot of new drivers. It works like a charm with 2.1.x kernels. (Kudos to Manoj!)

Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!

1998-10-10 Thread Marc Singer
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 06:09:56PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 12:42:24PM +0200, J.H.M. Dassen Ray wrote: I'm not aware of any software in slink that must be updated to work with 2.2 properly (with the exception of pcmcia-cs); slink currently runs fine with

Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!

1998-10-10 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 09:28:32AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: various compilation of programs. I thought that was part of the idea of the glibc 2 header stuff.. Yes and no. There are some programs that depend on actual kernel headers. I agree with Joey, kernel 2.2 should not go as

Re: libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Ole == Ole J Tetlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ole Is there an easy way to have both libgtk-dev and Ole libgtk1.1-dev available? I have trouble with yagirc and Ole libgtk1.1. It compiles but I get a sigsegv when I try to run Ole it. I was hoping that linking with libgtk (stable)

Re: dpkg-dev: dpkg-shlibdeps doesn't work within fakeroot

1998-10-10 Thread Roberto Lumbreras
On Friday, October 9 1998, at 21:19:38, James Troup wrote: : Roberto Lumbreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Package: dpkg-dev : Version: 1.4.0.30 : : $ dpkg-shlibdeps src/fortify; cat debian/substvars : shlibs:Depends=libc6 (= 2.0.7u) : : $ fakeroot dpkg-shlibdeps src/fortify; cat

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 11:59:37AM +0200, Matthias Ettrich wrote: and enduser support, not for discussing home-brewed licensing problems of niche distributions. Enough said, I think. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at

Debian logo

1998-10-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 03:58:58PM -0500, Jeff Noxon wrote: I'd prefer a new logo as well (with no offense intended toward the kind person who created the current one!) But I can't draw, so I guess I should shut up. :-) I would prefer a new logo, too. We shouldn't draw it. We should run a

Re: [comp.os.linux.announce] COMMERCIAL: Debian User's Guide Second Edition $38.95

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 05:16:37PM -0400, Johnie Ingram wrote: Ben Just wondering, Dale, but why didn't you announce this to the Ben Debian lists as well as the c.o.linux.announce? Because this is a commercial, and there is a $1000 charge to advertise on debian lists (to discourage spam).

Bug#27663: project: installing linuxconf on my maschine running Debian slink

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Schulze
reassign 27663 linuxconf thanks Runo Førrisdahl wrote: Farris: ~/install# dpkg -i linuxconf_1.10r34-1_i386.deb (Reading database ... 62852 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking linuxconf (from linuxconf_1.10r34-1_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing

Processed: Re: Bug#27663: project: installing linuxconf on my maschine running Debian slink

1998-10-10 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 27663 linuxconf Bug#27663: project: installing linuxconf on my maschine running Debian slink Bug reassigned from package `project' to `linuxconf'. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Ian Jackson

PROPOSAL: one debian list for all porting efforts

1998-10-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hello, to increase communication betweenm the ports and between porters and non-porters, I'd propose a new list: debian-porting alternative names: debian-ports debian-porter debian-porters or sim. Purpose of the list would be problems with porting to new architectures, either package

Re: PROPOSAL: one debian list for all porting efforts

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Purpose of the list would be problems with porting to new architectures, either package specific or general. Problems with bootstrapping a new architecture. Cross compilation of Debian packages. Maybe setting up some documents or entries in the FAQ-O-MATIC. Do you

Re: libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Ben Gertzfield wrote: Ole Is there an easy way to have both libgtk-dev and Ole libgtk1.1-dev available? I have trouble with yagirc and Ole libgtk1.1. It compiles but I get a sigsegv when I try to run Ole it. I was hoping that linking with libgtk (stable) would fix Ole it,

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] the GPL explicitly makes an exception for libraries which are included with the operating system itself. Not quite so - it makes an exception for binaries that are NOT included with that operating system itself. Debian ships a large number of GPL'd binaries that

Re: libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Martin == Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben You cannot have libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev installed at the Ben same time, but you don't need to. Martin gnotepad+ does not work with gtk 1.1 while many Martin application that come with Debian are linked against 1.1.

Re: libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Ben Gertzfield wrote: Martin == Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben You cannot have libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev installed at the Ben same time, but you don't need to. Martin gnotepad+ does not work with gtk 1.1 while many Martin application that come with Debian

Re: libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Martin == Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin gnotepad+ does not work with gtk 1.1 while many Martin application that come with Debian are linked against 1.1. Martin Thus you can't compile gnotepad+ on that machine. Ben Sure, but you can always remove libgtk1.1-dev

Re: libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Ben Gertzfield wrote: Martin == Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin gnotepad+ does not work with gtk 1.1 while many Martin application that come with Debian are linked against 1.1. Martin Thus you can't compile gnotepad+ on that machine. Ben Sure, but you can

Re: libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Martin == Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin Hmm, so I have 1.1 installed as well as 1.0-dev. Now if I Martin compile, I compile against 1.0. So it's dynamically Martin linked against 1.0. But 1.0 is not installed and even Martin conflicts with 1.1. libgtk 1.0

Re: libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Ben Gertzfield wrote: Martin == Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin Hmm, so I have 1.1 installed as well as 1.0-dev. Now if I Martin compile, I compile against 1.0. So it's dynamically Martin linked against 1.0. But 1.0 is not installed and even Martin

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] the GPL explicitly makes an exception for libraries which are included with the operating system itself. Not quite so - it makes an exception for binaries that are NOT included with that operating system itself.

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:33:15 +1000 (EST), Craig Sanders wrote: the last sentence, from However, as a special exception is particularly relevant here. So, if Qt were disttributed with the OS then it would fall under the special exception? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] that's almost the exact opposite of what the GPL says. from clause 3 of the GPL: I've read clause three, thank you. I'll upper-case the bit you must have missed: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, if Qt were disttributed with the OS then it would fall under the special exception? :) That's what he says. That still, however, would not permit applications distributed with the OS to use Qt. In other words, if thar paragraph were the big issue, you

lack of wstring in libstdc++2.8-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Jeff McWilliams
Hi, I've got g++ 2.9.29-0.6, the egcs compiler, and libstdc++2.8dev 2.9.29-0.6 installed. I was playing around with some STL stuff when I tried to declare a wstring. No luck. Examining the file /usr/include/g++/string yields: // Main header for the -*- C++ -*- string classes. #ifndef

Re: Debian logo

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 03:58:58PM -0500, Jeff Noxon wrote: I'd prefer a new logo as well (with no offense intended toward the kind person who created the current one!) I would prefer a new logo, too. We shouldn't draw it. We should run a

Re: libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev

1998-10-10 Thread aqy6633
Is there an easy way to have both libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev available? I have trouble with yagirc and libgtk1.1. It compiles but I get a sigsegv when I try to run it. I was hoping that linking with libgtk (stable) would fix it, but I need gtk-1.1 for balsa. Yes, you can. I have gtk-1.1

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Steve Lamb wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:33:15 +1000 (EST), Craig Sanders wrote: the last sentence, from However, as a special exception is particularly relevant here. So, if Qt were disttributed with the OS then it would fall under the special exception? :) yes.

Re: Debian logo

1998-10-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:25:07PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: I would prefer a new logo, too. We shouldn't draw it. We should run a gimp contest. They produced the Gnome logo, and there are artists as well as designer. They'll come up with a

Re: X window logo

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 03:54:01PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: Whenever you start a program running under X11, the windows created usually have the little 'X' logo in the upper left hand corner. If you are running RedHat linux however, the upper left hand corner of the windows contains

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: In my opinion, Qt is not a section of KDE, it is not derived from the KDE and it must be considered independent and separate from the KDE. In other words: The KDE's usage of the GPL does not cause the GPL, and its terms, to apply to Qt. if you link a

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Mitchell
Matthias Ettrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed. If you read the GPL word for word you will find that a binary distribution requires ALL libraries to be distributed under the GPL. Interesting that you do not even quote the GPL to try and back up your non-arguments. Martin.

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:45:35PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: All this is just splitting hairs, though. The real question is what is KDE's problem with just adding that additional permission to their license? How does it hurt them to do that? it's not difficult to do, and it would solve the

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 06:36:12PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:33:15 +1000 (EST), Craig Sanders wrote: the last sentence, from However, as a special exception is particularly relevant here. So, if Qt were disttributed with the OS then it would fall under the

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you link a GPL-ed program and Qt, you are creating a work which is derived from both. Since Qt's license is incompatible with the GPL as far as distribution goes, you may not distribute that derived work without additional permission being granted by the

dhcpcd should probably be in base and on the boot floppies

1998-10-10 Thread Ben Gertzfield
This just came up on the #Debian IRC channel: a growing number of folks have cable modems and wish to install Debian over them. However, as it stands, they cannot get on the net from the base floppies, because they require a DHCP client to get their IP. I believe this is adequate need to get

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Konold
On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: All this is just splitting hairs, though. The real question is what is KDE's problem with just adding that additional permission to their license? How does it hurt them to do that? Is that really not obvious to you? Craig Sanders and some

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Sorry, I must be too tired. I misread a paragraph of yours, so some of my previous message probably don't make much sense. You say that linking constitutes making a derived works of the object files and libraries being linked together. Does that mean that you think Debian should convert libc

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you link a GPL-ed program and Qt, you are creating a work which is derived from both. Since Qt's license is incompatible with the GPL as far as distribution goes, you may not distribute that derived work without

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Sorry, I must be too tired. I misread a paragraph of yours, so some of my previous message probably don't make much sense. You say that linking constitutes making a derived works of the object files and libraries being linked together. Does that

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 05:17:55AM +0200, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Sorry, I must be too tired. I misread a paragraph of yours, so some of my previous message probably don't make much sense. You say that linking constitutes making a derived works of the object files and libraries being linked

Re: Debian logo

1998-10-10 Thread Jeff Noxon
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 02:43:05AM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: I would prefer a new logo, too. We shouldn't draw it. We should run a gimp contest. They produced the Gnome logo, and there are artists as well as designer. They'll come up with a good, inspiring logo, I'm sure. We should vote

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] The GPL'ed apps require that the work as a whole must be distributable under the terms of the GPL. No. It's stricter, it requires that the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License. That is, distribut_ed_, not distribut_able_. Big

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Anders Wegge Jakobsen
Arnt Gulbrandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] that's almost the exact opposite of what the GPL says. from clause 3 of the GPL: I've read clause three, thank you. I'll upper-case the bit you must have missed: The source code for a work means

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] as mentioned at least once before, glibc is distributed with the operating system. therefore the special exception applies. It applies to applications that are not distributed with the operating system (and to other applications that are distributed along with,

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Konold
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: The GPL'ed apps require that the work as a whole must be distributable under the terms of the GPL. Do you think that means that I have to re-license the individual parts? Will Debian remove Motif linked XEmacs from their ftp server? According to

Re: yagirc bugs - new maintainer or not?

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 12:33:07PM -0700, David Welton wrote: I'm here, working on 0.66 as we speak. This might be a good time to ask a question. yagirc can now be built with gnome interface or text interface. Should I make two packages, include both in one package or just drop the

Sources consisting of multiple tarballs

1998-10-10 Thread Stuart Lamble
Simple (conceptually) problem: I'm working on packaging the pm3 Modula 3 distribution for Debian, and have run into a problem. There are two tarballs that are available for this: the bootstrap compiler, and the sources for the rest of the system. Once M3 is up and running, you can generate a

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Martin == Martin Konold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin Will Debian remove Motif linked XEmacs from their ftp Martin server? According to several Debian developers Motif is Martin not a part of the OS. No. We don't link xemacs with Motif. Besides, since lesstif is a part of the

Re: Slashdot on the KDE stance

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 11:40:04AM -0700, David Welton wrote: Slashdot has posted an article about the decision to remove the KDE binaries right now. Could someone please post the article or at least the complete URL? http://slashdot.org - it's a pretty good source of Linux news.

Re: Sources consisting of multiple tarballs

1998-10-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 01:56:06PM +1000, Stuart Lamble wrote: The bootstrap compiler is distributed (mostly) as assembler source, so they're clearly platform dependant. The sources for the rest of the system are distributed as Modula 3 source code, so they're clearly platform _in_dependant.

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread John Lapeyre
On 9 Oct 1998, Ben Gertzfield wrote: cheThis is a harder one. :) xforms is in the non-free distribution of cheDebian, which technically makes it not part of the operating chesystem. I'm not sure how that interacts with the GPL. People keep telling me that you can distribute it with the

Re: important perl5.005 issues (was Re: perl version depends)

1998-10-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 08:29:27AM -0400, Michael Alan Dorman écrivait: I think you should read the docs or follow the last couple of years of the perl5 development mailing list, as I have, before you suggest you know better than I. From doc/perldelta.pod: I apologise, I did not want to

KDE gone, Lyx next ?

1998-10-10 Thread John Lapeyre
Lyx is currently in contrib. Lyx is licensed under the GPL (version 2) . It is dynamically linked against a non-free library (libforms) . According to the GPL and our interpretation of it in the KDE statement, this means we should not be distributing (binaries at least)

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 06:36:12PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: the last sentence, from However, as a special exception is particularly relevant here. So, if Qt were disttributed with the OS then it would fall under the special exception? :) Some people argue that it would. RMS argues

Re: KDE gone, Lyx next ?

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, John Lapeyre wrote: Lyx is currently in contrib. Lyx is licensed under the GPL (version 2) . It is dynamically linked against a non-free library (libforms) . According to the GPL and our interpretation of it in the KDE statement, this means we should

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 04:56:23AM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Let me try to make some qualified guess about this: If KDE would add the permission note, they would admit that there is a license problem, and they had to stop sucking in GPL'ed third party code without explicit permission by

Re: KDE gone, Lyx next ?

1998-10-10 Thread John Lapeyre
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Craig Sanders wrote: casnope. sounds right to me (but i haven't looked at the licenses casconcerned, just going from memory of libxforms being no-source and casnon-free). libforms is definitely no-source (so its not GPL'd !) /usr/doc/lyx/copyright

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 05:14:19AM +0200, Martin Konold wrote: On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: All this is just splitting hairs, though. The real question is what is KDE's problem with just adding that additional permission to their license? How does it hurt them to do

Re: KDE gone, Lyx next ?

1998-10-10 Thread Darren Benham
Has it been verified that lyx can't be linked against fltk? On 10-Oct-98 Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, John Lapeyre wrote: Lyx is currently in contrib. Lyx is licensed under the GPL (version 2) . It is dynamically linked against a non-free library (libforms) .

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:35:31PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: non-free license. Neither I, nor anyone sensible, has any argument with TT's license...it's their software, they can do what they like with it.) That doesn't mean everyone else ise sensible. I've seen many people DEMAND Troll Tech

mpg123 contains GPL code?

1998-10-10 Thread Ben Gertzfield
This was forwarded to me by a freeamp developer. He said that mpg123 contains GPL'd code, but its license prohibits non-free use. Anyone know what the legal status of mpg123 is? Ben -- Brought to you by the letters T and W and the number 2. You forgot Uranus. Goodnight everybody! --

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Joseph Carter wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:35:31PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: non-free license. Neither I, nor anyone sensible, has any argument with TT's license...it's their software, they can do what they like with it.) That doesn't mean everyone else ise

Re: suggestion - AntiVir for Linux

1998-10-10 Thread Adam P. Harris
FWIW, I think having McAfee .debs, even in non-free, would be a win. However, another thought occurred to me. Stephen, could you ask them to clarify the licensing of their DAT files? If they are indeed free, as URL:http://www.nai.com/download/updates/whatdat.asp seems to imply, someone oughta

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Chris Waters
Martin Konold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will Debian remove Motif linked XEmacs from their ftp server? I don't believe that Debian *has* a Motif-linked XEmacs on their ftp server, but if they do, then all it should take to get it removed is to file a bug report. That's what happened to KDE.

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 05:17:55AM +0200, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Sorry, I must be too tired. I misread a paragraph of yours, so some of my previous message probably don't make much sense. You say that linking constitutes making a derived works of the object files and libraries being linked

KDE hurts Qt (was Re: LICENSES)

1998-10-10 Thread Chris Waters
Now, I won't install Qt even for the parts of KDE I like. This is the really sad part about this whole mess. Qt is a nice library. Non-free, but not everything has to be free. But because of the refusal of the KDE developers to FIX THE KDE LICENSE PROBLEMS, a lot of people are being turned

Re: slashdot

1998-10-10 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
I've essentially come to the opinion that the GPL has no control over dynamic linking b/c it's something a user does in the privacy of his own home. Besides, what if I create a binary that links to a non-existant library. I build the ELF structures by hand (?). Could you distribute a binary

Re: KDE gone, Lyx next ?

1998-10-10 Thread John Lapeyre
On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Darren Benham wrote: geckoHas it been verified that lyx can't be linked against fltk? I haven't tried. But I read the fltk docs on the subject last week, and the upshot was that most large packages would take a good deal of work to port. eg, there is no canvas

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 08:56:30PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Martin Will Debian remove LyX from their ftp server? According to Martin several Debian developers Xforms is not a DFSG compatible Martin library. This is a harder one. :) xforms is in the non-free distribution of

Bad signature!! [was: Re: LICENSES]

1998-10-10 Thread warp
I'm not going to get into the debate at all at the moment however as I was reading through it I noticed that this message did not match the signature, would someone care to varify who actualy sent this message and what the contents were when it was signed? Thanks. Zephaniah E, Hull. On Sat, Oct

Re: dpkg-dev: dpkg-shlibdeps doesn't work within fakeroot

1998-10-10 Thread Adam P. Harris
Roberto Lumbreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, October 9 1998, at 21:19:38, James Troup wrote: : Look at fakeroot's shlibs file. This is not a bug (or certainly not : the one you're claiming it is). Ok. Of course, you are right ;) I've added (= 2.0.7u) to

Re: KDE hurts Qt (was Re: LICENSES)

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 11:29:26PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: Now, I won't install Qt even for the parts of KDE I like. This is the really sad part about this whole mess. Qt is a nice library. Non-free, but not everything has to be free. But because of the refusal of the KDE developers

Re: Debian logo

1998-10-10 Thread Chris Waters
Ideally, we need a version of the logo that can be reproduced in one or two colors. That way it can go directly on a CD or be printed inexpensively. Full-color printing can be rather expensive. And it should scale well, from fairly large to quite small. This means lines and *simple* curves,

Re: Bad signature!! [was: Re: LICENSES]

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to get into the debate at all at the moment however as I was reading through it I noticed that this message did not match the signature, would someone care to varify who actualy sent this message

Re: Bad signature!! [was: Re: LICENSES]

1998-10-10 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Zed Pobre wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 02:36:17AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to get into the debate at all at the moment however as I was reading through it I noticed that this message did not match the signature, would someone care to varify who

Re: Desperate need for a config tool

1998-10-10 Thread Norbert Nemec
On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:35:51 +0200 (CEST), Igor Mozetic wrote: : : However, a tool like that, [ a general configuration tool ] with Debian support (eg, all packages with config files should register with it, like menu system) would certainly bring Debian much closer to non-experienced users. Now

Re: mpg123 contains GPL code?

1998-10-10 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 10:31:08PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: This was forwarded to me by a freeamp developer. He said that mpg123 contains GPL'd code, but its license prohibits non-free use. Anyone know what the legal status of mpg123 is? mpg123 is non-free all right. No commercial use.

Re: dpkg-dev: dpkg-shlibdeps doesn't work within fakeroot

1998-10-10 Thread Joey Hess
Adam P. Harris wrote: Ok. Of course, you are right ;) I've added (= 2.0.7u) to /var/lib/dpkg/info/fakeroot.shlibs and now it works, but I think dpkg-shlibdeps should know that libc6, libc6 (= 2.0.7u) should be libc6 (= 2.0.7u). Anyway, I don't know much about how shlibs stuff works...

Re: Debian logo

1998-10-10 Thread M.C. Vernon
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:25:07PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: I would prefer a new logo, too. We shouldn't draw it. We should run a gimp contest. They produced the Gnome logo, and there are

Re: KDE gone, Lyx next ?

1998-10-10 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 11:14:06PM -0700, Darren Benham wrote: Has it been verified that lyx can't be linked against fltk? Just try and you see it won't compile. But I have not much knowledge about these toolkits so maybe someone can easily port it. Also I remember someone working on a gtk

Re: KDE gone, Lyx next ?

1998-10-10 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 09:35:19PM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote: Lyx is currently in contrib. Lyx is licensed under the GPL (version 2) . It is dynamically linked against a non-free library (libforms) . According to the GPL and our interpretation of it in the KDE statement,

Re: dhcpcd should probably be in base and on the boot floppies

1998-10-10 Thread John Lines
This just came up on the #Debian IRC channel: a growing number of folks have cable modems and wish to install Debian over them. However, as it stands, they cannot get on the net from the base floppies, because they require a DHCP client to get their IP. I believe this is adequate need to

Re: lack of wstring in libstdc++2.8-dev

1998-10-10 Thread Chris
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 07:22:07PM -0700, Jeff McWilliams wrote: Hi, I've got g++ 2.9.29-0.6, the egcs compiler, and libstdc++2.8dev 2.9.29-0.6 installed. I was playing around with some STL stuff when I tried to declare a wstring. No luck. Examining the file /usr/include/g++/string

Re: Reverting to Perl 5.004

1998-10-10 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Brian White, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: Perl 5.005 will be replaced in Slink with 5.004. The new version will remain in the next unstable. Correct? Definitely. Sorry for the slow reply but my root disk started spewing scsi errors about 3

Re: File renamer

1998-10-10 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Ian Jackson, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: A whole .deb for such a simple problem seems overkill. The file/manpage below is what I use. It was in the Perl4 distribution. Presumably perl5 comes with it too in the source. I have it as

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 05:42:53AM +0200, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] The GPL'ed apps require that the work as a whole must be distributable under the terms of the GPL. No. It's stricter, it requires that the distribution of the whole must be on the terms

Re: dpkg-dev: dpkg-shlibdeps doesn't work within fakeroot

1998-10-10 Thread James Troup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam P. Harris) writes: Roberto Lumbreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, October 9 1998, at 21:19:38, James Troup wrote: : Look at fakeroot's shlibs file. This is not a bug (or certainly not : the one you're claiming it is). Ok. Of course, you are right ;)

Re: PROPOSAL: one debian list for all porting efforts

1998-10-10 Thread James Troup
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Do you think this list would be useful or that the already existing lists can carry the load (namely debian-devel)? This list is not needed and I don't consider it useful at all. (As a porter) I disagree; I've often wanted

Re: Perl policy for managing modules ?

1998-10-10 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Zephaniah E. Hull, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: Rename perl to perl5.005, version 02-2 or such.. Then use the alternatives setup to decide which perl gets run when you try to use just 'perl'.. That's possible but I'm not sure it's a good idea.

Re: KDE gone, Lyx next ?

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Craig Sanders wrote: imo, we should grant Lyx the same courtesy we did KDE. send them a request to change their license, and give them some time (say a few weeks rather than the months that KDE got) to change. if they ignore the request or choose not to change their license then we have to

Re: KDE hurts Qt (was Re: LICENSES)

1998-10-10 Thread Raul Miller
Chris Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the really sad part about this whole mess. Qt is a nice library. Non-free, but not everything has to be free. But because of the refusal of the KDE developers to FIX THE KDE LICENSE PROBLEMS, a lot of people are being turned off of Qt! Qt doesn't

Re: LICENSES [was: Re: Have you seen this?]

1998-10-10 Thread Mattias Evensson
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: The key is in an earleir paragraph. These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then

Re: PROPOSAL: one debian list for all porting efforts

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Schulze
James Troup wrote: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Do you think this list would be useful or that the already existing lists can carry the load (namely debian-devel)? This list is not needed and I don't consider it useful at all. (As a porter)

gtop and slink?

1998-10-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Hi, I wonder if there will be a new gtop in slink now that it has been moved out of gnome-core (or another core Gnome module). Regards, Joey -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

sendmail libc6 [was: Squid2, how to handle incompatible upgrade]

1998-10-10 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only pain I had to face was that I had to upgrade my libc6 and that upgrade broke sendmail, so I had to upgrade sendmail as well. Uh - oh .. please check out this bug: #27334: libc6: breaks sendmail, probably problem in resolver

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