On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Joseph Carter wrote:
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 10:59:52PM +0200, Bart Schuller wrote:
I wonder if and when we get together a real office package under gnome. I
wouldlove to see that. My personal favorites would be a glyx, gtksql with
poistgresql and a spreadsheet,
Hello,
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 11:59:31PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
Ideally, we need a version of the logo that can be reproduced in one
or two colors. That way it can go directly on a CD or be printed
inexpensively. Full-color printing can be rather expensive.
And it should scale
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 09:11:10PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 03:05:17PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
No, this would hold the release for at least two more months.
Joey, that's exaggerated by a lot. But I agree with your reasoning-
I agree with Joey completely,
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 11:27:48AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 07:50:43PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
I don't want to hide this mail from you.
First it's please take license issues to the license list and now it's go
away, we don't want you here...
If I ever
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:30:11 +0200, I myself wrote:
Basically it starts out similarly to dhelp...
sorry, I meant the doc-base package. Just mixed up the names...
Norbert Nobbi Nemec
Paul-Gerhardt-Str. 4
90765 Fuerth
Quoting Avery Pennarun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Slink is a badly-needed cleanup release. Don't hold it back for any
package.
What needs to be cleaned up? Hamm's running fine here. Slink definately
adds value, but I don't think it's something we desperately need _now_.
Mike Stone
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 10:30:11AM +0200, Norbert Nemec wrote:
I'm not a debian developer myself (yet!!!), but I've following the
project very close for some time, and I could imagine to, perhaps,
getting involved right here. Right now, I only have a vague idea how
this huge task could be
M.C. Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What interface(s) does siag have ATM. I want to develop some gtk stuff
(and more serious stuff than the virtual poohsticks) - so would this be
something to cut my teeth on?
Last time I looked, it was using Athena widgets, but I think the
author is looking
-Original Message-
From: John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lyx is currently in contrib.
Lyx is licensed under the GPL (version 2) . It is dynamically
linked against a non-free library (libforms) .
According to the GPL and our interpretation of it in the KDE
statement, this means we
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 08:51:29PM -0400, Shaya Potter wrote:
Boy, Mathias Ehtrich is going to think we have something against him. :)
So it was not only me who get the impression, reading between the lines.
Marcus
--
Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 09:20:55AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
Has it been verified that lyx can't be linked against fltk?
Just try and you see it won't compile. But I have not much knowledge
about
these toolkits so maybe
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 04:48:44PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This proprietary commercial software and if it is on any Debian servers it
must be removed *immediately*. No waiting to see if they might change the
license. It must be removed *now*.
A number of people would like to see a
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 09:16:01PM -0400, Shaya Potter wrote:
There are those possibilities, but the lyx people will probably give
permission for linking with libforms since they clearly intend for that to
be done. The biggest problem with KDE was outside code that was ported and
that the KDE
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 11:19:19AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
Lyx does not go away just because there is a bug against it. When the bug
is filed the maintainer has reasonable opportunity to fix it, or if not
possible, to forward it upstream and let the upstream maintainers take a
crack at
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 08:51:29PM -0400, Shaya Potter wrote:
Lyx is currently in contrib.
Lyx is licensed under the GPL (version 2) . It is dynamically
linked against a non-free library (libforms) .
According to the GPL and our interpretation of it in the KDE
statement, this means we
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 04:48:44PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If nobody wants to take up this torch I'm going to suggest the existing
package be dropped from the distribution. If anybody _does_ want to try
to deal with this, please let me know.
New license:
...
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 07:50:43PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
- Forwarded message from Matthias Ettrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
[..]
In case some Debian developers read this mailing list: Guys, you don't like
KDE
since it encourages people to write software for it. Therefore you
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 11:06:24PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Package: libpgjava
Version: 6.3.2-1
Severity: important
I cannot rebuild this package at present because javac always segfaults
for me. If anyone would like to do a non-maintainer release,
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 01:33:15AM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
If I ever thought Matthias needed to be bludgeoned severely with a cluebat,
it's now. I have little respect left for him. Fortunately, a few of the
non-core KDE developers show more promise. Hopefully a few of them will
Debian has gone without xmem for a while. Am I the only one to have
noticed this? Do either the xproc or xcontrib maintainers want it?
If not, maybe they could indicate the source to make a seperate xmem
package. I don't know if I'd have time to maintain it, but I'd at
least shepard it through
On 10 Oct 1998 16:48:44 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
This proprietary commercial software and if it is on any Debian servers
it must be removed *immediately*.
It is as if you ignored the explanatory part of the message and just
read the license. That wasn't useful. I know the license
Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because Mathias has more or less forked klyx off the orignial lyx
project and the remaining people probably aren't going to complain too
much. It's not impossible for them to pretty much take a vote on it
and opt to do the right thing. They may not,
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On reading this paper, I discovered all of the reasons for why I knew
that the M$ way is wrong.
Interesting, then, that Mr Lampson now works for Microsoft.
http://www.research.microsoft.com/lampson/33-Hints/WebPage.html
--
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 07:36:26PM -0700, David Welton wrote:
Debian has gone without xmem for a while. Am I the only one to have
noticed this? Do either the xproc or xcontrib maintainers want it?
If not, maybe they could indicate the source to make a seperate xmem
package. I don't know if
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 12:18:19PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
In case some Debian developers read this mailing list: Guys, you don't like
KDE
since it encourages people to write software for it. Therefore you don't
want
What does this mean exactly? Why would we be unhappy with KDE
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On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 10:43:00PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
Because Mathias has more or less forked klyx off the orignial lyx
project and the remaining people probably aren't going to complain too
much. It's not impossible for them to pretty much take a vote on it
and opt to do the right
The big problem is that KDE includes GPLed code without asking and links it
against qt. That is a not legal. I wonder what RMS would do if they provide
an kemacs. :-)
I guess this is the part which I'm needing a bit more understanding with
(because I've not been the best at interpreting the
On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 02:47:20PM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote:
On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
GalbraWhat I find strange if that I managed to download it without realising
it
Galbrawas non-free. I only *now* noticed that it's non-free by putting the
Galbracursor on the
Geoffrey L. Brimhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find this interesting because there is quite a bit of various
efforts to port GPL'd code and programs to the MS Windows
environments. Legally, this would imply stepping very carefully
because who knows what proprietary libraries might be linked
At 13:13 +0200 1998-10-09, J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\) wrote:
IIRC, libc6 doesn't support IPv6; you need a beta version for that. So this
is only an issue if we intend to release one of the libc6.1 using ports.
glibc 2.1 (2.0.9x until release) does not change the soname, symbol
versioning prevents that
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 12:46:11PM -0700, Geoffrey L. Brimhall wrote:
I find this interesting because there is quite a bit of various efforts to
port GPL'd code and programs to the MS Windows environments. Legally, this
would
imply stepping very carefully because who knows what proprietary
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 10:32:22AM +0100, John Lines wrote:
I believe this is adequate need to get dhcpcd moved into base,
and onto the boot floppies.
Also in a corporate environment many people are running DHCP servers to
provide network information to Windows 95 systems. It would be great
On Sat, 10 Oct, 1998, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roderick Schertler writes:
If nobody wants to take up this torch I'm going to suggest the existing
package be dropped from the distribution. If anybody _does_ want to try
to deal with this, please let me know.
New license:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Andy Dougherty, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
After some thought, I think I'd recommend that perl5.005_xx retain the
same directory structure that perl5.00[34]_xx did. (with 5.005 in place of
5.00[34], of course).
That's good enough for me. I
At 21:19 +0200 1998-10-10, Marco d'Itri wrote:
In the next weeks my site will go on the 6bone and I plan using debian
for our IPv6 gateway box. Where can I find a libc6.1 for intel?
Will the current netutils just work with IPv6 after recompiling or
do I have to patch it?
My glibc-pre2.1 packaging
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin
Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I wonder if there will be a new gtop in slink now that it has
been moved out of gnome-core (or another core Gnome module).
I'm currently having problems compiling libgtop, so it looks unlikely
I'll have it done for the freeze
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 02:20:14PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
I wonder if and when we get together a real office package under gnome. I
wouldlove to see that. My personal favorites would be a glyx, gtksql with
poistgresql and a spreadsheet, currently siag seems to be the best bet.
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 11:22:58AM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote:
Last time I checked, pcmcia and dhcp didn't get along
very well. Any ideas? (I'm interested in fixing this,
but don't know where to start)
I didn't have the complete picture yet when I installed my laptop, but
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho writes:
* The new fmtutil has a config file (fmtutil.cnf) that controls which
formats get remade with 'texconfig init' (which is now equivalent to
'fmtutil --all'). The defaults are hyperconservative IMO (eg. no
pdf*tex or amstex formats are made).
On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Geoffrey L. Brimhall wrote:
The big problem is that KDE includes GPLed code without asking and
links it against qt. That is a not legal. I wonder what RMS would do
if they provide an kemacs. :-)
I guess this is the part which I'm needing a bit more understanding
with
Edward Betts writes:
This is a new licence on a new version that has NOT been uploaded.
That was not clear to me.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
There's a long-standing bug against mysql that the server daemon
should run as a user, not as root. There's an upstream beta that makes
this a configure option, so my plan was to wait until it was stable
enough to release. It now is (but, no, I don't plan to put it in
slink... I'm putting it in
Hello,
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 01:27:01PM +0200, Christoph Martin wrote:
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho writes:
* The new fmtutil has a config file (fmtutil.cnf) that controls which
formats get remade with 'texconfig init' (which is now equivalent to
'fmtutil --all'). The defaults
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no, the modifications to the source are fine. the GPL does not in any
way restrict the kinds of modifications you can make to GPL-ed source
code. You have the source, you can do what you want with it. This is
one of the freedoms guarranteed to you by the
On 11 Oct 1998 03:08:22 -0700, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
Andy Dougherty, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
After some thought, I think I'd recommend that perl5.005_xx retain the
same directory structure that perl5.00[34]_xx did. (with 5.005 in place of
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:31:16 -0700, Robert Woodcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
#!/bin/sh
ANTIVIRUS=/usr/lib/neta exec /usr/lib/neta/uvscan $*
This should be $@ (with quotes) rather than $*. Unadorned $* breaks
for args with embedded spaces.
--
Roderick Schertler
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Guy Maor wrote:
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[ Why on earth is this on devel? It's not relevant here. ]
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It provides:
[ Gratuitous advertisement for smail snipped ]
The same setup should be installed on kullervo. If not, I might get
over and remove exim there in order to install Smail, too.
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to increase communication betweenm the ports and between porters and
non-porters, I'd propose a new list:
Much more important than a new list would be an archive reflecting
porting experiences and techniques developed during porting.
I'd be in favor
I intend to pack the Little Brother's Database package, an add-on for
the Mutt mail reader which collects mail addresses of received mails
and offers these addresses, the output of the finger command etc. to
Mutt's external query feature.
Tscho
Roland
--
* Internet: [EMAIL
Hello! :-)
I ran into some troubles when I tried to compile the latest
lilypond_1.0.14 on my computer. When the build process tries to link
the final lilypond binary file:
c++ -o out/lilypond out/parser.o out/abbrev.o
out/abbreviation-beam-engraver.o out/abbreviation-beam.o
Quoting Avery Pennarun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Slink is a badly-needed cleanup release. Don't hold it back for any
package.
What needs to be cleaned up? Hamm's running fine here. Slink definately
adds value, but I don't think it's something we desperately need _now_.
What needs to be
Hi Eloy!
I wrote:
Please check out
http://www.debian.org/~joey/goals/index.html or
http://www.infodrom.north.de/~joey/Linux/Debian/master/goals/index.html
Since release goals were abandoned due to the hamm desaster no goals
for slink were accepted. All listed goals on my page reflect
Quoting Buddha Buck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Quoting Avery Pennarun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Slink is a badly-needed cleanup release. Don't hold it back for any
package.
What needs to be cleaned up? Hamm's running fine here. Slink definately
adds value, but I don't think it's something we
Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
See http://www.sgi.com/Technology/STL for the current STL implementation.
And see
http://www.sgi.com/Technology/STL/string_discussion.html
for why you should probably be using ropes or vectorchar instead.
We tend to use
typedef ropechar string;
now.
Milan Zamazal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there any technical reason why LEIM (Emacs input methods) is not
available as a Debian package? If not, I'll package it.
FWIW It's already part of the emacs20 package.
--
Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP=E80E0D04F521A094 532B97F5D64E3930
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 01:27:01PM +0200, Christoph Martin wrote:
So, which formats do you consider to be important for the defaults?
This is my preference:
All packages that install TeX formats (including tetex-*), do in
postinst a 'fmtutil -byfmt blah' for every format they include.
Ideally
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Alan Cox wrote:
[..]
And lots of people haven't kicked stuff back. Why doesn't *BSD run on an
SGI Indy - its because the BSD license didnt force all the neat stuff
to be contributed back. And there are thousands of other examples like it.
I fail to see how this is all that
And lots of people haven't kicked stuff back. Why doesn't *BSD run on an
SGI Indy - its because the BSD license didnt force all the neat stuff
to be contributed back. And there are thousands of other examples like it.
I fail to see how this is all that much different from the GPL
perhaps
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 02:34:28PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
Quoting Avery Pennarun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Slink is a badly-needed cleanup release. Don't hold it back for any
package.
I still think that calling slink a badly needed cleanup implies that
hamm is horribly broken. I
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 12:25:27PM -0700, Alex wrote:
[..]
And lots of people haven't kicked stuff back. Why doesn't *BSD run on an
SGI Indy - its because the BSD license didnt force all the neat stuff
to be contributed back. And there are thousands of other examples like it.
I fail to
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
to increase communication betweenm the ports and between porters and
non-porters, I'd propose a new list:
debian-porting
alternative names:
debian-ports
debian-porter
debian-porters
or sim.
I fully support this proposal (The name
Would this be enough for LyX? I think so.
- Forwarded message from Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
To: lyx@via.ecp.fr
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: copyright problem
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Gullik Bjønnes)
Date: 11 Oct 1998 19:17:04 +0200
[...]
I agree that by using
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 12:01:48AM +0100, M.C. Vernon wrote:
What interface(s) does siag have ATM. I want to develop some gtk stuff
(and more serious stuff than the virtual poohsticks) - so would this be
something to cut my teeth on?
How about trying LyX? With gnumeric and gsiag (hopefully)
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 02:20:14PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
Then you'll just *love* to know that I noticed something called KSiag
on http://www.kde.org/news_dyn.html
Do the siag people know about this? =
Isn't siag a one person project? AFAIK the upstream author is working on a
GTK
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 10:43:00PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
Hmm.. did they agree ahead of time that the license could be changed
with a vote? If Mathias is a significant author, and he disagrees with
the license change, he has a right to object.
I beg to disagree. Please see my mail with the
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see any way of using gtk--
with gnome at the moment. I was going to try packaging gnome-hack (for
my own use -- I'd want to check with the nethack maintainer before doing
anything more with it), but it seems to require gtk-- and gtk1.1, and
the two don't
James A. Treacy wrote:
A number of people would like to see a 3dfx package of mesa. This can
not be done unless there is a legal package of glide (under the
current license I can't even get the libs since I don't own a 3dfx
card).
Any reason, aside from the lack of volunteers, why we can't
memstat - Identify what's using up virtual memory.
memstat lists all the processes, executables, and shared
libraries that are using up virtual memory.
On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Michael Meskes wrote:
Would this be enough for LyX? I think so.
[...]
I agree that by using XForms in development, and XForms *is* needed to
compile and run LyX, we have implicitly allowd all users to link Lyx
with XForms.
[...]
I don't think so. It is not enough
Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The GPL has a feature that with the exception of essential system type
libraries (which is IMO far too vague to be terribly useful) any work
derived from the GPL must also be under the terms of the GPL.
That's not really what it says, which is probably
Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would this be enough for LyX? I think so.
- Forwarded message from Lars Gullik Bjønnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
To: lyx@via.ecp.fr
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: copyright problem
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Gullik Bjønnes)
Date: 11 Oct
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 08:24:15PM +, Roland Rosenfeld wrote:
memstat - Identify what's using up virtual memory.
it is packaged
On Sun, Oct 11, 1998 at 04:07:31PM +, Raja R Harinath wrote:
I don't see how it follows. we have implicitly allowed all users to
link LyX with XForms does not imply we have implicitly allowed
(re)distribution of the resulting LyX binaries, which I guess is the
issue at hand.
Because
On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Chris Waters wrote:
anything more with it), but it seems to require gtk-- and gtk1.1, and
the two don't seem to work together at this point.
I think it would really be nice to get a gnome-supporting version of
gtk-- in before the slink freeze. Is anyone working on
On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Raul Miller wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no, the modifications to the source are fine. the GPL does not in
any way restrict the kinds of modifications you can make to GPL-ed
source code. You have the source, you can do what you want with
it. This is
Havoc Pennington wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Chris Waters wrote:
I think it would really be nice to get a gnome-supporting version
of gtk-- in before the slink freeze. Is anyone working on this?
Not really possible without hacking Gtk-- (which can be done, but
it's work). Gtk-- can be
On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Chris Waters wrote:
'Bout what I figured, but wouldn't it be possible to produce two
versions which conflict? Not a perfect solution, but it would make it
possible for people like me who want to work on gnome-related gtk--
stuff to do so. The conflicts could be
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