Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Marek Habersack
* Ossama Othman said: Why? Tell me how I pass a C++ object to C, Fortran or Pascal. The same way you pass fortran to C: use wrappers, for example. Here is one way of passing a static C++ method to a C function (e.g. signal system call) in C++ code: extern C void Base_cleanup (void

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:37:53AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: As far as writing it, no. As far as getting something like this accepted, it's going to take time, no question about it. I think I'll be looking forward to seeing your code. Oh, um, I didn't mean to downplay the

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi, extern C void Base_cleanup (void *object, void *) { Base::cleanup (object, 0); } Simple. :-) Perhaps, but not clean. And doesn't make sense in this particular case... Remember the rule of the Ockham's Razor I think it should be obeyed here... What's not clean

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Marek, On 19 May, Marek Habersack wrote: * Ossama Othman said: , but rather to it's implementation on the GNU platform, which is now in its young days - it's constantly changing, the features are being added, standard being implemented in more and more detail. This situation will no

People at Usenix

1999-05-20 Thread blackie
Does anyone plan on attending Usenix ( 06-11 Jun 1999 )?

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Marek Habersack
* Ossama Othman said: Simple. :-) Perhaps, but not clean. And doesn't make sense in this particular case... Remember the rule of the Ockham's Razor I think it should be obeyed here... What's not clean about it? It's a very simple wrapper? Also, what doesn't make sense? It

RE: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Brent Fulgham
* Ossama Othman said: Why? Tell me how I pass a C++ object to C, Fortran or Pascal. The same way you pass fortran to C: use wrappers, for example. Here is one way of passing a static C++ method to a C function (e.g. signal system call) in C++ code: extern C void

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Marek Habersack
* Ossama Othman said: Hi, Ossama implementation on the GNU platform, which is now in its young days - it's constantly changing, the features are being added, standard being implemented in more and more detail. This situation will no doubt incurr many changes both in the source code

time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
I'm closing this discussion for now. I know what I have in mind, and why C++ is better in this scenario than C. But I don't want to incite any more flamage; once again I say that I won't be forcing anyone to use this thing. It's only a personal project, and if anyone wants to use it after I'm

Re: Intent to package: device3dfx

1999-05-20 Thread Ben Pfaff
Francesco Tapparo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 09:04:18PM +0100, Steve Haslam wrote: device3dfx is a kernel module to allow user-space applications (quake :}) access to 3Dfx cards without needing to be run as root. This package consists *only* of a GPL'd

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Marek Habersack
* Brent Fulgham said: Simple. :-) Perhaps, but not clean. And doesn't make sense in this particular case... Remember the rule of the Ockham's Razor I think it should be obeyed here... I think the real problem is in trying to export a language-specific construct to

Re: People at Usenix

1999-05-20 Thread Ben Gertzfield
blackie == blackie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: blackie Does anyone plan on attending Usenix ( 06-11 Jun 1999 )? I will be there. :) -- Brought to you by the letters A and J and the number 16. HEY YO GYS! Debian GNU/Linux maintainer of Gimp and GTK+ --

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Ossama Othman
On 20 May, Marek Habersack wrote: * Ossama Othman said: What's not clean about it? It's a very simple wrapper? Also, what doesn't make sense? It has been taken out of context so you don't know what it is used for but it conveys the general idea, I think. I'm Oh, you got me wrong

Re: time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Marek Habersack
* Aaron Van Couwenberghe said: Yes, I see everyone's points. I know what you're saying. I'll keep it in mind; you've made your arguments. I just would like to see an end to this fledgling flamefest ;P Well, I saw no flames... Just a discussion but, hey, who am I to judge...? marek

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Marek Habersack
* Ossama Othman said: mean, you can buy a small car - a shopping bag on wheels and then buy a new engine just to be able to tow a trailer :)) - it is possible, but not cost-effective and sensible - you can buy a larger and stronger car at once :)). Maybe the example isn't perfect, but

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-20 Thread Richard Stallman
As a practical matter, I don't think any countries restrict importation of software that might be in Debian, unless they also restrict its use. The only such circumstances I can think of have to do with pornography; in the UK, for example, customs will seize things that are on sale openly in

Re: VA Research and linux.com

1999-05-20 Thread Sudhakar Chandrasekharan
Joseph Carter proclaimed: Not to mention the longstanding rumors that soon Debian will be offered on VA's machines.. I thought VA already did Debian installs on request. S. -- Marge: Homer, you are his father. You've got to reason with him. Homer: Oh, that never works. He is a goner!

Intend to package: GHC (glasgow haskell compiler).

1999-05-20 Thread Rui Zhu
Hello, all, I'm happy to express my wish to package GHC. I'm just doing it now and will soon send my application to become a Debian maintainer. I've contact GHC developer for licence issue again and now got answers from them (see below). Exact one will be later posted in haskell mailing list.

Re: better /etc/init.d/network

1999-05-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: On May 19, Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This would make is easier for programs like ipmasq or leafnode or whatever to put hooks to start themselves up or shut themselves down as an

Re: Hints about future improvements

1999-05-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Mitch Blevins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the ideal solution would be to have a caching proxy based on rsync to communicate with the upstream mirror, and http (or a new apt method) to communicate with apt. I was actually thinking the other day about why couldn't apt support rsync://

VA and debian boxes (was Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests)

1999-05-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 08:35:30PM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: As for preinstallation, let me make two points: a) Debian really has a long way to go for someone to do mass installs of it, unattended. it certainly could be easier, but it's not that hard. i build many debian boxes...it just

Re: Intent to maintainer change: canna

1999-05-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
ISHIKAWA Mutsumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Usually, you don't need to announce a maintainer change to the lists if it's already been agreed to by both the old and new maintainers, just mark something like '* New maintainer' in the changelog. I had

Re: Haskell in Debian

1999-05-20 Thread Rui Zhu
Giuliano P Procida [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: b) ghc runs out of heap compiling its parser The file ParseIface.hs (in ghc/compiler) needs more than 64M but no more than 128M of heap to compile. With 64M of RAM and not too much else (X and ntpd) running you are looking at 1500+ garbage

Re: Source for install program

1999-05-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 07:40:57AM -0700, Tyger Sunshine-Hill wrote: I'm trying to find the source code to the debian install program (Boot 1 and 2) but can't locate it on the FTP. Can anyone point me to it? See the package

Re: Listing of Debian hosted cutting-edge software

1999-05-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Brimhall, GeoffreyX L [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Over the last few days quite a few cutting-edge development projects have been posted. In particular, Qt2.0 beta at http://master.debian.org/~heiko/qt2/, Configurator Panel at http://linuxlabs.lci.ufrj.br/~lages/cpanel Does debian maintain

Re: stupid idea - metapackages

1999-05-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what about creating empty packages only to satisfy dependancies and be able to install loosy related set of packages. Metapackage seems to be the right name for such creature ;) People already thought of that :) it was discussed on -gtk-gnome list,

Re: VA Research and linux.com

1999-05-20 Thread Phillip R. Jaenke
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 19 May 1999 00:27:16 -0500, David Welton wrote: Wow... Debian gets *lots* of publicity on linux.com. Very cool! Not that it does any good. Wow, this site runs on Debian. *click* Cool,

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 06:10:14PM -0500, David Welton wrote: Personally, I'm happy to know that I'm involved in making a kick ass OS, and as long as no one messes with my ability to do that, I'm fine. hear! hear! couldn't agree more. RH isn't competition to debian except in the most

LDP news (was Re: Hardware working with Linux)

1999-05-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have noticed that several HOWTO's are way out-dated. BTW, Lars Wirzenius, a cofounder of the LDP, just resigned as leader. I'm not sure who will step up to the job. However, whoever takes the job, I hope that the next leader of the LDP follows the

Re: Listing of Debian hosted cutting-edge software

1999-05-20 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 19 May 1999, Adam Di Carlo wrote: If you can find someone to maintain the page, someone preferably who is a debian developer, I betcha you could get the Debian webmasters [EMAIL PROTECTED] to give that person CVS access. Personally I think it's too transient to document, and that this

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 07:51:31PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Also, I am not sure it is useful to distinguish between use-restricted and patent-restricted, given that the consequences would be the same. the reason i suggested having a patent-restriced category is that patents don't

Re: VA and debian boxes (was Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests)

1999-05-20 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 20 May 1999 10:11:42 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: selection of two or three standard configurations - web server, file and print server, and internet gateway) and use 'dd' or 'tar' to duplicate the drive. finally, follow that up with a perl or

Re: stupid idea - metapackages

1999-05-20 Thread Martin Bialasinski
ADC == Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ADC I suggest we all follow naming conventions, i.e., 'metapkg-*', so ADC that it's easy to pick these babies out. I will do the packages for the GNOME update tomorrow, as I want to have it ready at monday at the latest. I was thinking about

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 04:12:51PM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote: Ideally, a library would (in addition to it's C++ functionality) have a C interface that doesn't really deal with the issue of objects. Say, something that would accept some standard C types and structs, and return same. in other

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-20 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Brian I don't NEED a reminder about my bugs. There should be an option to Brian TURN THE BLOODY THING OFF. Subscribe with your @debian.org address so that you procmail it out on master. -- According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-20 Thread Joel Klecker
At 21:28 -0400 1999-05-19, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: Brian I don't NEED a reminder about my bugs. There should be an option to Brian TURN THE BLOODY THING OFF. Subscribe with your @debian.org address so that you procmail it out on master. Wtf do you mean subscribe? None of us signed up for the

Master/murphy going down, while they are moved to a new colo.

1999-05-20 Thread Adam Heath
Novare is switching to a new isp and new colocation facility. The time has come to move master and murphy to the new site. In about 20 minutes, mark and I will be taking the machines down, then transporting them to the new facility. We expect them to be down for 40 minutes, so in an hour, we

Re: Intent to maintainer change: canna

1999-05-20 Thread John Lapeyre
*Adam Di Carlo wrote: ISHIKAWA Mutsumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure I agree with Brian. The old maintain put out a looking for new maintainer request on this list. Therefore, it is appropriate that the agreed upon new maintainer would announce that here to. This is to prevent

Re: stupid idea - metapackages

1999-05-20 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Oleg Krivosheev wrote: Hi, all looking into GNOME i got some (maybe stupid) idea: what about creating empty packages only to satisfy dependancies and be able to install loosy related set of packages. Metapackage seems to be the right name for such creature ;)

Re: stupid idea - metapackages

1999-05-20 Thread John Lapeyre
I really like the how-to-install-gnome page. Other packages that could use similar pages are X, emacs, and communicator. I and people I have talked to can get confused trying to decide which packages to download and install. -- John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson,AZ

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-20 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Brian I don't NEED a reminder about my bugs. There should be an option to Brian TURN THE BLOODY THING OFF. Dirk Subscribe with your @debian.org address so that you procmail it out Dirk on master. Joel Wtf do you mean subscribe? None of us signed up for the fucking Joel thing!

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-20 Thread Joel Klecker
At 22:26 -0400 1999-05-19, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: Brian I don't NEED a reminder about my bugs. There should be an option to Brian TURN THE BLOODY THING OFF. Dirk Subscribe with your @debian.org address so that you procmail it out Dirk on master. Joel Wtf do you mean subscribe? None of us

Re: stupid idea - metapackages

1999-05-20 Thread Martin Bialasinski
JL == John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JL I really like the how-to-install-gnome page. Thanks. JL Other packages that could use similar pages are X, emacs, and JL communicator. There are such packages for communicator and navigator. See http://master.debian.org/~doogie/netscape/APT

Re: time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Dan Nguyen
Hi Arron, On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 04:16:15PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: I'm closing this discussion for now. What you started you can't really stop now. You started a C vs. C++ debate, and it will be a few more posts away until everyone calms down. I know what I have in mind, and

Re: time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Brandon Mitchell
Hi Aaron, I would be interested in seeing your design. It may clear up some concerns as to why you are picking your language (which seems to have generated quite a discussion). More importantly, you may receive suggestions as to ways to improve the design. If you are lucky, you may even have a

ping@db.debian.org

1999-05-20 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
Hi all, I'd like to thank eveyone who has participated in testing this service, several bugs have been found and most are squashed. There is however one random failure that a few people encountered, the replay cache sometimes says that the message date is incorrect. For some reason this is

fetchmail question

1999-05-20 Thread Michael Meskes
Let's say I use different POP3 accounts on different machines. Is it correct that fetchmail is only able to process them sequentially? At least that's the impression I get from reading the NOTES file under /usr/doc. Seeing that fetchmail at least sometimes use much less than the available

Real releases G2 player alpha

1999-05-20 Thread Larry 'Daffy' Daffner
For those of you who haven't seen yet, the Linux Real player G2 alpha is out, and it works just fine with the latest potato bits. You can get it at http://www.real.com/products/player/linux.html - I grabbed the Red Had 5.2/6.0 version and installed with alien (the generic linux package comes as a

Debian liaison for LPI certification program

1999-05-20 Thread Chuck Peters
Hi, The Linux Professional Institute, http://www.lpi.org, is a non-profit community organization developing a Linux certification program. I believe it will become the leading Linux certification program because of the open and cooperative nature of its development. I have been asked if I, or

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:22:28AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: A better question is how a revised C++-ish library might interoperate with an object-oriented language designed to make use of polymorphism, abstraction, etc. Say, how Python might work as a front end, or how you might use

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-20 Thread Brian Almeida
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 10:26:11PM -0400, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: You are subscribed to a mailing list debian-devel, aren't you? Nag also sends emails regarding old bugs on your packages. I never subscribed to that. :p -- Brian Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Linux Developer -

Re: Debian coding style?

1999-05-20 Thread Amy Fong
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --IMjqdzrDRly81ofr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You know, we like you. You're crazy. Crazy enough for Debian. (We're all totally mad here you realize) You should apply as a developer! = bows Benefits of

an idea - upload queue on va

1999-05-20 Thread Joey Hess
For whatever reason, I can't connect to master right now, so I had to use an upload queue to upload a package. But all the upload queue's are on different contients to me. I ended up bouncing my files off erlangen in germany. Sorta silly. It'd be nice if va.debian.org had an upload queue on it,

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:15:00AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: The standards don't change that fast, but I'm talking about the _implementation_. The g++ compiler still has problems and unimplemented standard C++ elements - again, rtti and exceptions come to mind, not to mention templates.

Re: an idea - upload queue on va

1999-05-20 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Joey Hess wrote: It'd be nice if va.debian.org had an upload queue on it, then if master's down or unreachable, or if the routing to va just happens to be better for someone in the US, they can upload to there. When the upload queue software is packaged I'll evaluate

Re: Real releases G2 player alpha

1999-05-20 Thread Joey Hess
Larry 'Daffy' Daffner wrote: For those of you who haven't seen yet, the Linux Real player G2 alpha is out, and it works just fine with the latest potato bits. You can get it at http://www.real.com/products/player/linux.html - I grabbed the Red Had 5.2/6.0 version and installed with alien (the

Re: an idea - upload queue on va

1999-05-20 Thread Joey Hess
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Wed, 19 May 1999, Joey Hess wrote: It'd be nice if va.debian.org had an upload queue on it, then if master's down or unreachable, or if the routing to va just happens to be better for someone in the US, they can upload to there. When the upload queue

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:01:12PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:50:19AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: That seems... the wrong way around. see comments below ;P Perhaps I should expand on that. The `Unix way' (yes, you can stop reading this paragraph here, if

Re: mass-installing Debian

1999-05-20 Thread Bryan Andersen
Illo de' Illis wrote: On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:12:29AM -0700, Dean Carpenter wrote: Now during installation, the exim preinst and postinst scripts would source the install-response file, creating the variables with the responses they need. At this point, it's just as if they've asked

Re: Bug#37602: apt: Segfault at the end of apt-get

1999-05-20 Thread Joost Kooij
Hi, On Wed, 19 May 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Joost Kooij wrote: Technically, I wholeheartedly agree with you in the above matter. The problem _at_hand_ is that a lot of people are seeing a segmentation fault message. The /primary/ causes are the buggy scripts in /etc/menu-methods and

Re: stupid idea - metapackages

1999-05-20 Thread Christian Meder
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 08:32:29PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what about creating empty packages only to satisfy dependancies and be able to install loosy related set of packages. Metapackage seems to be the right name for such creature ;)

gdm/xdm/login.app weirdnesses

1999-05-20 Thread solomon
I'm running potato and till recently was running XDM with login.app to give the login screen a nice clean look. Then GDM (Gnome Display Manager) showed up in unstable so i grabbed it. Next time i rebooted, it gave me the gnome login screen and my mouse works, but for some odd reason it disables

exim mailer/dhis.org/debian mailing list question

1999-05-20 Thread solomon
Howdy all. I'm running potato with exim mailer and i am using the dhis.org dynamic dns service (there happens to be a nice dhis.org client in unstable, though it would be easy enough to compile it or get binaries...); it is set up so that mail sent to me while i'm offline is held by dhis.org and

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:24:08AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: [...] Notably, I'm going to be writing it in C++. This will add about 270k to the boot disks' root image, but as the floppy install methods are for the most part phasing out under the shadow of easier methods, I'm not

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg IN IDL! :)

1999-05-20 Thread Chris Waters
Aaron Van Couwenberghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have grown increasingly aware of FUD of this type about C++ and OO languages. OO is designed to *increase* interoperability, flexibility, and extensibility -- definately not the other way around. OO isn't limited to C++, and C++ isn't limited

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-20 Thread Christian Kurz
[DONT SEND ME A CC!] Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 May 1999, Christian Kurz wrote: [You don't need to send me an extra Cc as I read the lists on which I write. Thanks!] Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 May 1999, Christian Kurz wrote: Branden

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-20 Thread Christian Kurz
Christian Meder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:24:19PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: Well what is the problem with this? I don't see any offence in getting a message that says that I (the maintainer) has still open bug over a certain age. I think this is a good reminder

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg (please do)

1999-05-20 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Aaron Van Couwenberghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, esteemed members of the Debian enthusiast community! Hi ... So, whether or not I recieve the approval of this community, I'm going to be working on a complete rewrite of dpkg. No, it won't even *resemble* the old dpkg; I

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg IN IDL! :)

1999-05-20 Thread Daniel James Patterson
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:50:38AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: I think an interesting approach would be to use CORBA. Make dpkg into a networkable server for polymorphic package objects! G'wan, I dare ya! :-) I don't see why not. Software is becomming more and more complex, people are

Re: Haskell in Debian

1999-05-20 Thread Giuliano P Procida
Hi. On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:00:55AM +0200, Rui Zhu wrote: Just FYI, accidently I found at the GHC site that this file can cause trouble, there is memory leak. (see http://research.microsoft.com/users/t-simonm/ghc/download_ghc_402.html) I know, SPJ got fed up with all the reports so he

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg IN IDL! :)

1999-05-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:25:17PM +1000, Daniel James Patterson wrote: On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:50:38AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: There are a few OO tools (I'm thinking Rational Rose in particular) that can do code generation from UML work, which could mean that we could decide on a design

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:44:02AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: * Aaron Van Couwenberghe said: Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I can't understand how anybody could live without it. Is it? AFAICS none of the traditional languages like Pascal or C has

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-20 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Brian Nag also sends emails regarding old bugs on your packages. I never Brian subscribed to that. :p All I'm saying: Everybody is free to procmail away whatever they don't like. -- According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:47:59AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: * Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho said: On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:01:12PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I can't understand how anybody could live without

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:44:02AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: 1. you create a C library with all the dpkg functionality inside 2. you compile and link it as a shared library 3. you write several simple drivers to interface the user to that library 4. the .so is loaded only ONCE - that's

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg IN IDL! :)

1999-05-20 Thread Daniel James Patterson
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:44:39PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Speaking of baser instincts, Rationale Rose isn't free software, is it? Are there any nice (or even not-nice) OO design tools that are? No unfortunatley it isnt. There is a solaris version, which is a bad port of the win32

Re: Bug#37602: apt: Segfault at the end of apt-get

1999-05-20 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/05/20(4)/10:05, Joost Kooij montris sian geniecon skribante: Hi, On Wed, 19 May 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Joost Kooij wrote: Technically, I wholeheartedly agree with you in the above matter. The problem _at_hand_ is that a lot of people are seeing a segmentation fault

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg IN IDL! :)

1999-05-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:25:17PM +1000, Daniel James Patterson wrote: On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:50:38AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: I think an interesting approach would be to use CORBA. Make dpkg into a networkable server for polymorphic package objects! G'wan, I dare ya! :-) I

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg IN IDL! :)

1999-05-20 Thread Daniel James Patterson
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:14:26PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: How about it's complete overkill? I don't think so. Yes you can write maintainable code with plain C, but with the number of developers moving in and out of Debian, I think that a decent OO approach for core software could make it

Re: gdm/xdm/login.app weirdnesses

1999-05-20 Thread Martin Bialasinski
s == solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: s Manager) showed up in unstable so i grabbed it. Next time i s rebooted, it gave me the gnome login screen and my mouse works, but s for some odd reason it disables my keyboard. I already filed a bugreport about this. The maintainer thinks this may be

Re: better /etc/init.d/network

1999-05-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 20, Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With this scheme scripts can't be easily disabled. mv /etc/network/eth0.postup.leafnode /etc/network/off.eth0.postup.leafnode dpkg would not be happy. -- ciao, Marco

Re: Intent to maintainer change: canna

1999-05-20 Thread Brian Almeida
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 08:19:47PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: I'm not sure I agree with Brian. The old maintain put out a looking for new maintainer request on this list. Therefore, it is appropriate that the agreed upon new maintainer would announce that here to. This is to prevent others

Re: Intent to maintainer change: canna

1999-05-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:48:34PM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 08:19:47PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: I'm not sure I agree with Brian. The old maintain put out a looking for new maintainer request on this list. Therefore, it is appropriate that the agreed upon new

ITP: since

1999-05-20 Thread Michael-John Turner
Hi I've packaged since, a GPL'd tail(1)-like utility that saves state information between invocations. For more info, check out ftp://jade.cs.uct.ac.za/pub/since-0.1.tar.gz If there are no objections, I'll upload it to master in a few days. -mj -- Michael-John Turner |

Intent to package: poster

1999-05-20 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
In intend to package poster, a program to scale postscript pages to a given size. The output can be tiled on multiple sheets. License is GPL, thanks to JHM. The only URL I know is ftp://ftp.ics.ele.tue.nl/pub/users/jos/poster/ . -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] %

[PRE-ANNOUNCE] DPKGv2 Project

1999-05-20 Thread Ben Collins
This was not supposed to go out until Wichert got back and some details were settled, but with all the talk about redoing dpkg, I felt it necessary so that there weren't any duplication projects started and things didn't get complicated. There is a project underway to build a new package manager.

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:53:23PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: But the problem is that templates, nor exceptions or rtti (which are all elements of MODERN C++ programming) don't work well enough on the GNU platform... Is that true, I have heard this agrument often, but is it true, and is it

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 04:00:43PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:53:23PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: But the problem is that templates, nor exceptions or rtti (which are all elements of MODERN C++ programming) don't work well enough on the GNU platform...

Re: gdm/xdm/login.app weirdnesses

1999-05-20 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:31:51PM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote: s == solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: s Manager) showed up in unstable so i grabbed it. Next time i s rebooted, it gave me the gnome login screen and my mouse works, but s for some odd reason it disables my keyboard.

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg IN IDL! :)

1999-05-20 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:54:45PM +1000, Daniel James Patterson wrote: On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:44:39PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Speaking of baser instincts, Rationale Rose isn't free software, is it? Are there any nice (or even not-nice) OO design tools that are? No

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:14:31AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:45:45PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:44:02AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: * Aaron Van Couwenberghe said: Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of

Re: [PRE-ANNOUNCE] DPKGv2 Project

1999-05-20 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:47:22AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: [snip] Do not worry, everyone will have a chance to view the code in an anonymous CVS server (which is already setup). There will be ample documentation and views on the current spec will be heard. Please consider this a semi formal

Re: evan leibovitch and the LPI certification tests

1999-05-20 Thread Tyger Sunshine-Hill
RH isn't competition to debian except in the most positive sense of friendly rivalry. We have different aims, different goals. Their goal is to produce and market a linux distribution which keeps their company financially viable. Our goal is to produce a distribution which does what we want

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Steve Dunham
Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:24:08AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: [...] Notably, I'm going to be writing it in C++. This will add about 270k to the boot disks' root image, but as the floppy install methods are for the most part phasing

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 03:34:27PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: Something like Objective Caml version 2.02 # let id x = x ;; val id : 'a - 'a = fun --- Not sure, but i think we are not talking with the same definition of the same word ? C++ isn't a

Re: Real releases G2 player alpha

1999-05-20 Thread Edward Betts
On Wed, 19 May, 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Larry 'Daffy' Daffner wrote: The debian installer is uploaded, and uses the rpm. The only advantage over using alien is you get: a) a clean upgrade path from the older package, and an easy upgrade to the next version when it comes out. b)

Re: request to kill nag messages

1999-05-20 Thread Christian Meder
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 11:48:25AM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: Christian Meder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Example: I've got an open old bug report that flying (a X11 pool game) doesn't support 16/24 bit displays. The upstream This would speak for making the mechanismen configurable. Would

Intent to package netspades

1999-05-20 Thread Dan Nguyen
Hi all, NetSpades is a client/server based system designed to be played over a network of some kind. It allows 4 people to play Spades, and chat as well from anywhere in the world. It includes a console client using slang. As well as a gtk based client for X. And if you've got a friend which

Re: Hints about future improvements

1999-05-20 Thread Sven Rudolph
Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mitch Blevins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the ideal solution would be to have a caching proxy based on rsync to communicate with the upstream mirror, and http (or a new apt method) to communicate with apt. I was actually thinking the other

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-20 Thread Marek Habersack
* Sven LUTHER said: Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I can't understand how anybody could live without it. Is it? AFAICS none of the traditional languages like Pascal or C has polimorphism at its base... What you call polymorphism is just function

  1   2   >