John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something I have noticed several times. If you are doing a remote upgrade
(probably a crazy idea), the telnet daemon (maybe inetd or something) becomes
unavailble for quite some time. Maybe it is between the time that netbase is
unpacked and when it
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 05:39:12PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 02:16:03PM -0700, Ryan Murray wrote:
restrictive); see below for details.
[ RSA is no longer included. ]
[ IDEA is no longer included. ]
IDEA was the only part of ssh that made it non-free,
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 10:03:58PM -0700, Darren Benham wrote:
Then close some bugs :)
Ok. But what happens to those closed bugs as the new debbugs package no
longer cleans them out?
No, seriously, that's how it's created but as long as we don't start ignoring
bugs, we'll never see or
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:07:18AM -0700, Darren Benham wrote:
I want to change the structure to save based
on the last two digits of the bug number, not the first...
I don't understand how this should reduce/limit the number of files in a
single directory.
Why not determine the directory by
The Doctor What [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do not believe that any network daemon should automatically start
grabbing resources without asking. By installing a package, I only
consent to commiting disk space and the resoureses needed to get it
actually on the disk. Anything beyond that
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 06:53:18PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
This may sound silly, but in fact, glibc does not support shadow groups[1]
Indeed. I think we can drop this idea altogether. How many people do use
passwords on groups anyway?
thanks,
Marcus
--
`Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 05:39:15PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have made most of the changed required for my redesign of diskless.
Amazingly, it looks like no changed are required for dpkg. I haven't
yet tested anything though, and implementing secure mode might be a bit
awkward.
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 01:28:53AM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 06:53:18PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
This may sound silly, but in fact, glibc does not support shadow groups[1]
Indeed. I think we can drop this idea altogether. How many people do use
passwords on
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 07:44:38PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 01:28:53AM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 06:53:18PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
This may sound silly, but in fact, glibc does not support shadow groups[1]
Indeed. I think we can
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1 Oct 1999, James Troup wrote:
[ RSA is no longer included. ]
Wait wait, doesn't this mean that ssh RSA authentication is gone as well??
Did they replace it with DSS/DH or what? IMHO ssh would cease to be very
usefull as a security tool without a
Thanks your comment.
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:38:53 +0200, Re: ITP: actx wrote about Thomas Schoepf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
schoepf On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 07:16:37PM +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote:
schoepf Package: actx
schoepf Version: 0.98pre8-2
schoepf Section: x11
schoepf
schoepf
At 10:06 +1000 1999-10-02, Herbert Xu wrote:
They use libssl, which begs the question why isn't libssl in non-US/non-free?
Uh, because it isn't non-free?
If we step into the patents make something non-free trap, then we
probably have a lot of things in main that should be moved to
non-free
On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Thomas Schoepf wrote:
I don't understand how this should reduce/limit the number of files in a
single directory.
Well, it's an application of probability theory.. The last couple digits
are more evenly distributed over the range of active (and inactive) bugs
so you get a
I went to look for the sources to X11 amp on
ftp.debian.org and they are missing. I remember
downloading the source packages a few months ago, but
now a package search on debian.org shows them missing.
What happened?
=
Amateur Radio, when all else fails!
http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze
Hi Kenneth,
Where have you been? X11amp is now xmms. The package has been
changed accordingly.
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 06:57:08PM -0700, Kenneth Scharf wrote:
I went to look for the sources to X11 amp on
ftp.debian.org and they are missing. I remember
downloading the source packages a few
Just to make sure we are all clear here:
I have cc'ed the listmaster and I am angry and insulted. On the flip
side, I am trying very hard to be calm and collected and (most importantly
in my mind) fair. The subject is deliberatly melodramatic.
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:47:20PM +1000, Craig
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:38:00PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
I'd like to propose something else: until the packages provide proper
debconf (or whatever) support which would configure the port and other
settings for the daemon, let's keep the Provides:+Conflicts: scheme we
have been using so
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 10:20:41AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
it isn't useful to run the vtund server until it is configured. there
is no standard configuration which is suitable for shipping as a
default - it MUST be customised for each site, each tunnel must be setup
individually.
When
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 03:00:51PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:36:01AM -0400, Ivan E. Moore II wrote:
yea...I just did an update today and something decided to remove /bin/sh
during the upgrade...and didn't put it back before it was needed...
so if something
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 09:06:39PM -0500, The Doctor What wrote:
I took care in my message above to remove anything offensive towards
Craig. Unfortunately Craig didn't do the same.
garbage. you went out of your way to be offensive. to quote the opening
line of your message:
Excuse
On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Craig Sanders wrote:
Excuse me. I work for TurboLinux.
the implication here is that you know what you are talking about because
you work for a real (i.e. commercial) linux distribution.
Either that, or you're attributing an attitude to him that doesn't exist.
I intend to write and package a free computer assisted telephone
interviewing (CATI) application for Linux; there appears to be no free
CATI software in the universe, and what CATI software there is is
extremely overpriced (per-seat licensing), runs on certain operating
systems that aren't free
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 07:16:37PM +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote:
Package: actx
Version: 0.98pre8-2
You do realize that dpkg treats 0.98 as less than 0.98pre8, don't you?
Section: x11
This should probably go in games or maybe graphics depending on what a
window sitter is.
Description: A
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 12:46:46PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 09:06:39PM -0500, The Doctor What wrote:
I took care in my message above to remove anything offensive towards
Craig. Unfortunately Craig didn't do the same.
garbage. you went out of your way to be
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 12:46:46PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
Excuse me. I work for TurboLinux.
the implication here is that you know what you are talking about because
you work for a real (i.e. commercial) linux distribution.
When in fact the opposite is true? :-)
Hamish
--
Mail cross-postoned, please, remove the debian-devel list before sending
back
Many time, apt-get break on conflicting files. It happens me often
on unstable but also when upgrading from slink to potato. Here some
recommendations to help users resolved the conflicts and also to
help maintainers
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 09:06:59PM -0500, The Doctor What wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:47:20PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
In short, a summary (admittedly from my point of view) follows:
In a discussion on whether network daemons should do one of the following:
a) Simply start up,
On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Fabien Ninoles wrote:
Many time, apt-get break on conflicting files. It happens me often
on unstable but also when upgrading from slink to potato. Here some
recommendations to help users resolved the conflicts and also to
help maintainers do the Right Things (TM) the
No, this is silly. When you install a package, it is for use. If you
don't intend to use it, why install it?
Perhaps you can explain where this idea comes from.
Of course, if I want to evaluate a daemon, I can --unpack the package
into /usr/local/testfun and manually enable it, evaluate it,
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 11:53:19PM -0500, The Doctor What wrote:
The idea was not to say that since I work for *a company* I'm an
authority. My point was that I work in the real world and have a
counter example.
And of course, everyone else on the list doesn't work in the real world,
and
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 03:53:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 11:53:19PM -0500, The Doctor What wrote:
The idea was not to say that since I work for *a company* I'm an
authority. My point was that I work in the real world and have a
counter example.
And of
On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Anthony Towns wrote:
And of course, everyone else on the list doesn't work in the real world,
and just plays in their own little pointless sandpit. Feh.
That *is* offensive.
Well, you know what? In many cases, it's true. I have seen many people in
the past few months
Joel Klecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:06 +1000 1999-10-02, Herbert Xu wrote:
They use libssl, which begs the question why isn't libssl in non-US/non-free?
Uh, because it isn't non-free?
Here's a quote from the policy:
`Non-free' contains packages which are not compliant with the
This is a (belated, unfortunately) heads-up to anyone who has a package that
depends on the ALSA libraries.
As of the 0.4.1 release, I've switched from the odd naming scheme formerly
used by the ALSA libraries (i.e. 'alsalib0.3.0', 'alsalib0.3.2', etc)
because (a) new versions can't coexist with
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 11:38:47PM -0400, Steve Willer wrote:
When someone writes things like:
well, bully for you. i guess that must make you so proud.
and
now what is so fucking difficult to understand about that?
the word deliberate isn't the first that occurs to me.
if you
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 11:52:59PM -0500, The Doctor What wrote:
You on the other hand show no thought for anyone else.
i show no regard for those who demonstrate they are fools. i show
contempt for those who demonstrate that they are annoying fools. guess
which category you fall into.
in
Joel Klecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we step into the patents make something non-free trap, then we
probably have a lot of things in main that should be moved to
non-free because they technically infringe on someone's stupid patent.
Living in the UK, where there are currently no software
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 11:43:17AM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote:
Something I have noticed several times. If you are doing a remote
upgrade (probably a crazy idea), the telnet daemon (maybe inetd or
something) becomes unavailble for quite some time. Maybe it is between the
time that netbase is
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 12:28:36PM -0400, Dpk wrote:
I recently adopted dhcpcd... previous versions of dhcpcd would restart
during upgrades, which obviously is bad for those doing it remotely.
Since my recent upload does not restart dhcpcd, I need to start it for
those upgrading from previous
J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 01:41:18 -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote:
So we can't do squat with NcFTP 3 until Mike includes a license.
I switched to lftp myself at the time of the previous ncftp license issue,
and haven't looked back. Is there
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 11:43:17AM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote:
Something I have noticed several times. If you are doing a remote
upgrade (probably a crazy idea), the telnet daemon (maybe inetd or
something) becomes unavailble for quite some time.
netbase restarts inetd in it's postinst,
Martin Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I switched to lftp myself at the time of the previous ncftp license issue,
and haven't looked back. Is there anything in ncftp that lftp doesn't have?
If there isn't, I'd say just drop it.
I did
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 10:26:52PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
Ah. Your problem is probably telnetd's prerm:
] if command -v update-inetd /dev/null 21; then
]update-inetd --disable telnet
] fi
It might be better to bracket this with an `if [ $1 != upgrade ]', or
similar.
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 10:35:10PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
No, during the upgrade, inetd should not try to start new copies of telnetd
because it may not be there or it may not be executable (e.g., shlibs that
it depends on may be missing). Thus it must be disabled as is done with all
* Edward == Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edward MDA: procmail
Edward This is standard priority, but exim is not configured to use it, people
have
Edward to mess with .forward files.
exim has its own filter facility, that is easier to understand and use
by new users.
Edward list
Hi,
I plan to package 'mcl'.
mcl is a MUD client running under Unix. Under Linux console, it uses
direct Virtual Console access for high speed, but it can also run in an
xterm or on a VT100/ANSI compatible terminal at a reduced speed. Embedded
Perl and Python provide a high degree
Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Edward == Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edward MDA: procmail
Edward This is standard priority, but exim is not configured to use it,
people have
Edward to mess with .forward files.
exim has its own filter facility, that is easier
On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Craig Sanders wrote:
DON'T INSTALL THE DAEMON IF YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN IT.
WHY IS THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS SO FAR BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION?
i.e:
I've install postgresql on my home computer. I need this
daemon only sometimes. I don't want to start it every time
I reboot
* Edward == Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edward Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edward MDA: procmail
Edward This is standard priority, but exim is not configured to use it, people
have
Edward to mess with .forward files.
exim has its own filter facility, that is easier
* Piotr == Piotr Roszatycki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Piotr I've install postgresql on my home computer. I need this daemon
Piotr only sometimes. I don't want to start it every time I reboot
Piotr system.
Configure this in a runlevel. Debian doesn't predefine the use of
runlevels. If you start
Excerpts from debian: 2-Oct-99 Debian recommended software by Edward
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I understand it would be almost impossible for Debian to
provided a list of software we all recommend, because we
are all individuals and would disagree,
but here is my list:
While this has nothing in
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 04:59:35PM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote:
Whatever, I won't restart this thread again. I wouldn't touch wuftp
with a 10ft pole. I switched to proftpd, when there was a hole in many
ftpds (creating a very deep directory hierarchy), the fix for proftpd
was available
* Craig Sanders said:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 09:06:39PM -0500, The Doctor What wrote:
I took care in my message above to remove anything offensive towards
Craig. Unfortunately Craig didn't do the same.
garbage. you went out of your way to be offensive. to quote the opening
line of
* Craig Sanders said:
and
now what is so fucking difficult to understand about that?
the word deliberate isn't the first that occurs to me.
if you can't comprehend that someone might deliberately choose those
words, then that is your problem not mine. such paucity of imagination
* Anthony Towns said:
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 11:53:19PM -0500, The Doctor What wrote:
The idea was not to say that since I work for *a company* I'm an
authority. My point was that I work in the real world and have a
counter example.
And of course, everyone else on the list doesn't
On 01-Oct-99, 11:28 (CDT), Dpk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would be the best way to check for this? A simple 'ps |grep
dhcpcd' ? Would doing so make my package dependent on procps? or is
there a convenient way to check the installed version of dhcpcd
someway?
As others have said, check
On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:05:22 +1000
From: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How not to be a nice person (Was: Re: Packages should not
Conflict on the basis of duplicate functionality)
Resent-Date: 2
On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:10:23 +1000
From: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How not to be a nice person (Was: Re: Packages should not
Conflict on the basis of duplicate functionality)
Resent-Date: 2
Hello Maintainers
As requested by an user I will intent to package myodbc (Public Domain),
an API for MySQL (which is needed by Perl ODBC), and the libiodbc (GPL) which
is used by myodbc.
I found no related ODBC packages already in Debian so I assume they're
not there.
I'm the MySQL maintainer
On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Craig Sanders wrote:
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:06:10 +1000
From: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Doctor What [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How not to be a nice person (Was: Re: Packages should not
Conflict on the basis of
Hi
Ship's Log, Lt. Piotr Roszatycki, Stardate 021099.1636:
On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Craig Sanders wrote:
DON'T INSTALL THE DAEMON IF YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN IT.
WHY IS THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS SO FAR BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION?
this is as wrong as it is loud
I've install postgresql on my home
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 10:49:58AM -0700, David Bristel wrote:
Did you consider his point, though? Why would you install a service
if you don't want it to run?
Simple answer here, if you install a group of packages during the install, you
may not realize what packages you have installed.
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 09:18:41AM -0400, Fabien Ninoles wrote:
Conflicts: foo ( new-version)
And don't forget Replaces: foo ( new-version), that's what it's there
for---files moving from one package to another!
--
Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux developer
GnuPG:
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 04:36:04PM +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote:
I've install postgresql on my home computer. I need this daemon only
sometimes. I don't want to start it every time I reboot system.
you need to do something non-standard, so you should do a little bit of
work to accommodate
Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They use libssl, which begs the question why isn't libssl in non-US/non-free?
Uh, because I keep forgetting. I've been meaning to do that since Guy
split non-US up... I guess I'll go file a bug against ftp.debian.org.
--
James
On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 04:19:51PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote:
This leaves me with the unresolved problem of distinguishing between the
two package names.
I just read through the grep manpage (again) looking for something that
will enforce an exact match, when I realised that I can simply
On 29 Sep 1999 14:51:02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom) said:
Karl I will not, due to circumstances beyond my control, be
Karl returning to work for perhaps as long as six months. I must
Karl hand off the XEmacs 21 project.
Karl On master.debian.org in ~karlheg/src/ is a
On Sat, Oct 02, 1999 at 10:06:24AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
They use libssl, which begs the question why isn't libssl in
non-US/non-free?
i thought that only copyright/license and *not* patent issues determined
whether we considered something to be free or non-free.
e.g. libssl is completely
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
Hmmm. I can't actually find any mention of this in policy. In fact,
discussion of what should be done when in prerm and postrm seems pretty
bare, period.
OK, so it's not actually in the policy.
What sequence of events is actually going to cause
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