Re: A progressive distribution

2000-03-16 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 09:35:16PM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 15:06:57 -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: It wouldn't help with out and out buggy programs but at least it would catch dependency problems. It would catch problems with the dependencies a package

Re: A progressive distribution

2000-03-16 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 11:02:31AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: ??? - packages auto moved to here after basic criteria met (e.g. in unstable for 2 weeks with no bug reports). can't remember what this stage was to be called. i feel a need to write some more about

Re: Permission policy

2000-03-16 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 01:12:49PM +0100, Volker Ossenkopf wrote: I need some advice to solve a recent bug report regarding a frozen package. You could make it suid to a user who has 2 additional groups. In that case the program should reset its uid after the devices are open (same would be

Re: Apt-Problem

2000-03-16 Thread paul
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:18:24 +0530, Syed said: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:17:54 +0100 (CET), Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Andreas http://ftp.tu-clausthal.de/pub/linux/debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/devel/libtool_1.3.3-9.deb Andreas Size mismatch E: Unable to fetch some

intent to package VTK

2000-03-16 Thread Maitland Bottoms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have a start on packaging The Visualization Toolkit, as described at http://www.kitware.com/vtk.html Interested persons may see my preliminary efforts at http://master.debian.org/~bottoms/debs/ I am accepting comments on my choice of package

Re: The nature of unstable (was: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!)

2000-03-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Mar-00, 01:06 (CST), Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. your argument for want of a better term is obviously so poor that you have no choice but to misrepresent mine to make your points. Hmm, it's ok for you to misrepresent other people's arguments,

Re: The nature of unstable (was: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!)

2000-03-16 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 08:41:01PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: On 15-Mar-00, 01:06 (CST), Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. your argument for want of a better term is obviously so poor that you have no choice but to misrepresent mine to make your

Re: Permission policy

2000-03-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 01:43:22AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: BTW: there is a idea for settig groups for console access to devices like cdrom, floppy, sound, mic, cam... so each user who logs into the sonsole will get added to that groups, then your program does not need to be Which is a

Re: A progressive distribution

2000-03-16 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: You know, the whole concept of 'a release' is orthogonal to the way I think about Debian. We've been through that before, too, and I understand the various reasons that it's important for us to make a release from time to time... but I doubt any of my

Re: priority of x-window-manager

2000-03-16 Thread Taketoshi Sano
Hi. Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 09:04:47PM +0900, Changwoo Ryu wrote: Korean (and maybe Japanese) X users often see the Netscape titlebar incorrectly displays Korean web page title. Many of the window managers still don't care about this and just

Intent to Package udmsearch

2000-03-16 Thread Craig Small
udmsearch is a website indexer and, I'm going to package it! More info about it at http://mysearch.udm.net/ -- Craig Small VK2XLZ, PGP: AD 8D D8 63 6E BF C3 C7 47 41 B1 A2 1F 46 EC 90 Eye-Net Consulting http://www.eye-net.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIEEE [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The nature of unstable (was: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!)

2000-03-16 Thread Brian Kimball
Steve Greenland: Hmm, it's ok for you to misrepresent other people's arguments, but not the other way around, as follows: Craig Sanders: so why do you have a problem with infrastructure (i.e. package pools in one form or another) which makes it easier to build a snapshot image? Steve

Re: priority of x-window-manager

2000-03-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 02:16:42PM +0900, Taketoshi Sano wrote: We can't just say add 10 points if the window manager is internationalized without telling the possible thick-headed American package maintainer how to determine whether it is or not. :) I have thought that users can judge if

Re: Embedded(/RT) Debian? Embeddian GNU/Linux?

2000-03-16 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Joe Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000315 18:25]: I'm interested. I'd like to be able to make a boot disk with ntfs vfat support so I can use it as a rescue disk for hosed windows boxes. Ideally, I'd like to see a shell script that asks what network card the target box uses and creates a new

ITP mgeupsd

2000-03-16 Thread Robert Stone
Package: mgeupsd Architecture: any Conflicts: powstatd, bpowerd, genpower Description: UPS monitoring software for MGE (Merlin Gerin) Pulsar UPS series It operates in the usual for Linux UPS daemon way, i.e. if the UPS changes status, it creates /etc/powerstatus and sends SIGPWR to init.

Re: ITP mgeupsd

2000-03-16 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 11:21:14PM -0800, Robert Stone wrote: Package: mgeupsd Architecture: any Conflicts: powstatd, bpowerd, genpower Provides: ups-monitor Conflicts: ups-monitor This will catch all the other ups daemons. I am packaging Network UPS Tools (NUT). I have finished and am just

sendmail M4 to run DNS based spam filters per RCPT

2000-03-16 Thread Scott Jennings
I've written an M4 file for sendmail 3.9.3, and packaged it up as a debian package. I'd like to contribute it, and I'm willing to maintain it, since I'm doing so anyway here where we use it. However, I do not have time to keep up with this mailing list, and after perusing www.debian.org, and

Re: So, what's up with the XFree86 4.0 .debs?

2000-03-16 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi Branden, On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 10:32:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Hmm. I am using the following patch, which I got from slashdot of all places: --- xc/config/makedepend/cppsetup.c.origSun Mar 12 15:47:41 2000 +++ xc/config/makedepend/cppsetup.c Sun Mar 12

Re: TeTeX bugs

2000-03-16 Thread Christoph Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Denis Barbier writes: On 15 Mar 2000, Christoph Martin wrote: Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 01:11:03PM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: Since the teTeX in slink works fine and the one is potato is broken

Re: realplayer installer and frozen

2000-03-16 Thread David Webb
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 01:26:17PM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: I tried the woody installer on a potato system. It installed realplayer, but it doesn't seem to work. No messages or core dump--nothing happens. I also tried installing the tarball and installing the .deb created by running alien

Re: realplayer installer and frozen

2000-03-16 Thread Joey Hess
David Webb wrote: I had the same problem. Installing libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 fixed it on my system. I cannot reproduce this. Works fine for me without that library installed. You also have to make sure the REALPLAYER_HOME environment variable is set correctly. Nor can I reproduce this. --

Re: Permission policy

2000-03-16 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 01:43:22AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 01:12:49PM +0100, Volker Ossenkopf wrote: ... BTW: there is a idea for settig groups for console access to devices like cdrom, floppy, sound, mic, cam... so each user who logs into the sonsole will get

Re: Permission policy

2000-03-16 Thread Ruud de Rooij
Radovan Garabik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 01:43:22AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: BTW: there is a idea for settig groups for console access to devices like cdrom, floppy, sound, mic, cam... so each user who logs into the sonsole will get added to that groups, then

Re: realplayer installer and frozen

2000-03-16 Thread David Webb
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 01:36:49AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: David Webb wrote: I had the same problem. Installing libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 fixed it on my system. I cannot reproduce this. Works fine for me without that library installed. You also have to make sure the REALPLAYER_HOME

[joey@infodrom.north.de (Martin Schulze)] Re: Re: kernel building

2000-03-16 Thread Mikolaj J. Habryn
This is *still* happening. Will someone please do something about it? root isn't even mentioned in the headers. I get this error when I mail with one of my complex cookie'd from lines, and don't when I simplify it. Why is this feature even in place? Does it add any kind of value to stop root

Re: Apt-Problem

2000-03-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, paul wrote: I had the same problem (and same output) when doing apt-get upgrade last night. I used apt-get clean and apt-get install man-db before trying apt-get upgrade again. The problem went away, so I thought it had been a hardware problem on my end, but I guess

Re: Embedded(/RT) Debian? Embeddian GNU/Linux?

2000-03-16 Thread bug1
Hi, ive been hanging around boot-floppies for a while, and am interested in minimum debian systems. I think what your trying to do could well cover a lot of ground boot-floppies tries to cover, if your not familiar with how the debian boot floppies work, you may get a bit out of it, i love the

mailcap stress (was: Potato fresh install)

2000-03-16 Thread Paul Slootman
On Mon 13 Mar 2000, Santiago Vila wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Paul Slootman wrote: Also, when upgrading mime-support, it always offers to replace the conffile /etc/mailcap, which is NEVER a smart thing to do. Maybe /etc/mailcap should be one of the base files, and not part of

Re: Danger, Branden Robinson! Danger!

2000-03-16 Thread Paul Slootman
On Mon 13 Mar 2000, Stephen Zander wrote: Joseph == Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joseph Only 6000? We must be getting lazy. 6000 is way too Joseph easy. Better try for 8000. Now one ever thought the Dow would break 10k: took 'em 10yrs to get from 3k to there. I'm

Re: [joey@infodrom.north.de (Martin Schulze)] Re: Re: kernel building

2000-03-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 09:47:41PM +1100, Mikolaj J. Habryn wrote: root isn't even mentioned in the headers. This is the only occurrence: Received: from mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [130.95.13.18]) Why is this feature even in place? Isn't it obvious? :) You should not send

Re: [joey@infodrom.north.de (Martin Schulze)] Re: Re: kernel building

2000-03-16 Thread Mikolaj J. Habryn
JR == Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JR On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 09:47:41PM +1100, Mikolaj J. Habryn JR wrote: If you haven't sent from a root account there is a chance that our list server has inserted a line like Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] which confuses the lists

Two maintainer entrys in bug reports by maintainer

2000-03-16 Thread Andreas Tille
Hello cited from Debian bug reports by maintainer This page lists the package maintainers against whose packages there are outstanding, fowarded or recently-closed bug reports. A maintainer -- by the way here is a typo. ...

Re: Two maintainer entrys in bug reports by maintainer

2000-03-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 01:12:21PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: * Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 outstanding Bug) * Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 outstanding Bug) The e-mail addresses are both valid, but it's the same maintainer (at least I get the mail from both :-) ).

Re: Danger, Branden Robinson! Danger!

2000-03-16 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Paul Slootman wrote: On Mon 13 Mar 2000, Stephen Zander wrote: Joseph == Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joseph Only 6000? We must be getting lazy. 6000 is way too Joseph easy. Better try for 8000. Now one ever thought the Dow would break

Re: A progressive distribution

2000-03-16 Thread Eray Ozkural
Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 03:27:18PM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Ed Szynaka wrote: > > > How does this account for drastic changes to something like libc that > > > might take weeks or months to shake out? > > Build daemons could take care of

Re: pgp-gpg keys, uploaded package not dinstalled?

2000-03-16 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 10:55:31AM +0200, joost witteveen wrote: Hi, Until recently I only had a PGP key, and as suggested by /usr/share/doc/debian-keyring/README.gz, I've now generated a GPG one, signed it with my PGP key, and submitted it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] A couple of hours later I

Re: Two maintainer entrys in bug reports by maintainer

2000-03-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Josip Rodin wrote: It is my task to use always the same address or is it a bug in the bug system? Neither. Do as you wish :) :) So far the funny side of this aspect, but together with the fact that there are problems in sending PM to the maintainer (see a running thread

Re: A progressive distribution

2000-03-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Bdale Garbee wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: After reading this nice diskussion with all it's aspects, I want to complete the mess and suggest a distribution called e.g. progressive beetween stable(frozen) and unstable. I gather you haven't read the

Beyond Package Pools (Was: Re: A progressive distribution)

2000-03-16 Thread Eray Ozkural
J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 14:12:49 -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote: try this hypothetical release method out: there are two trees. let's call them devel and production. debian saavy folks (maintainers) run devel. new packages are uploaded to devel where they are

xfs question

2000-03-16 Thread Michael Meskes
Now that xfs per default does not listen on a tcp port anymore, could anyone please tell me how to configure x (i.e. XF86Config) to use unix domain sockets instead? Thanks. Michael -- Michael Meskes | Go SF 49ers! Th.-Heuss-Str. 61, D-41812 Erkelenz| Go Rhein Fire!

Re: xfs question

2000-03-16 Thread Miros/law `Jubal' Baran
16.03.2000 pisze Michael Meskes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Now that xfs per default does not listen on a tcp port anymore, could anyone please tell me how to configure x (i.e. XF86Config) to use unix domain sockets instead? e.g. by setting the FontPath to `unix/:-1' regards, Jubal -- [ Miros/law

Re: ITP: mpg123-el

2000-03-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Nils Jeppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Andrew D Lenharth wrote: I'm in the midst of doing this myself. There are even two impeding pieces of consumer electronics about to hit the market which will play an ISO-9660 CDROM with mp3's on it. I did this. DO you know

Re: realplayer installer and frozen

2000-03-16 Thread Bob Nielsen
I checked and REALPLAYER_HOME was set to the G2 directory (from an old manual installation). I changed it to /usr/lib/RealPlayer7 and realplayer started working. Then I deleted REALPLAYER_HOME environmental variable altogether and it still worked. This would indicate that it isn't required, but

Re: ITP: dvipdfm - A DVI to PDF translator

2000-03-16 Thread Brian Mays
Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now there are 4 ways to produce PDF's (AFAIK) [...] That said, my current favorite method is to use gs 6.0's ps2pdf, my documents all have eps figures! There are other problems however - ... Another problem is that the times font (or any

RE: Bug#58174

2000-03-16 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
I don't think bugs like this should slow down our release cycle at all. IMO this bug should be downgraded to normal. Comments anyone? sounds fair, and little items (sorry) like metamail should not hold us up.

testers / sponsor wanted

2000-03-16 Thread Stefan Ott
hi i just packaged my 'perlbeat' (http://tools.desire.ch/perlbeat) and am now looking for people to test it and for a sponsor. thanks stefan

Less interactive upgrades.

2000-03-16 Thread Tom Rothamel
One of the minor annoyances in Debian is the prompting that goes on during package upgrades. It's not the fact that the prompting occurs... I like the fact that it doesn't silently redo the system configuration... but rather the fact that it occurs thoughout the upgrade process. Debconf helps

Re: Less interactive upgrades.

2000-03-16 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 02:18:25PM -0500, Tom Rothamel wrote: One of the minor annoyances in Debian is the prompting that goes on during package upgrades. It's not the fact that the prompting occurs... I like the fact that it doesn't silently redo the system configuration... but rather the

Re: Less interactive upgrades.

2000-03-16 Thread Stefan Ott
sounds nice. there's another thing about apt-get which IMHO should be changed (if this option already exists i'm sorry for being too lame for the docs): my connection often suffers time-outs and i afterwards have to do a --fix-missing. i think it would be nice if you could tell apt-get to try

Re: Less interactive upgrades.

2000-03-16 Thread Tom Rothamel
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 02:25:10PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: In /etc/apt/sources.list add these lines: DPkg { Options {--force-confdef;} } This will make dpkg always choose the default option to the conffile questions. If there is no default, it will still prompt (not likely), so you

New version of xserver-svga gives poorer display on laptop

2000-03-16 Thread Oliver Elphick
I have a laptop that uses the S3 Virge/MX video chip. I had this working well with the xserver-svga from slink. I recently upgraded to 3.3.6-3 and found that the quality of the display became significantly worse. I have not seen any reference to such a problem anywhere I have looked. Since I

Re: Less interactive upgrades.

2000-03-16 Thread Will Lowe
- When apt runs to upgrade packages, it will call a new program (which I plan to write) in the same way that it calls dpkg-preconfigure. TNP would scan the list of upgraded packages, I've had the same thought, but not enough time to begin such a project. I wonder if there would be some

terminfo

2000-03-16 Thread Lauri Tischler
What's wrong with terminfo ? Every time I install new upgrade from potato everything in /etc/terminfo disappears, stuff in /usr/lib/terminfo then has a bunch of links pointing to non-existing info in /etc/terminfo and generally things dont works. i.e. trying to start mc with /usr/lib/terminfo

PC / Internet fax solution

2000-03-16 Thread port22
I stopped by your web site and thought you may be interested in our PC/internet based fax service. You can send 1 to 1,000,000 faxes in just minutes to any destination in the US, Canada, and Europe for as low as 7.4 cents per minute. Our user-friendly submission software lets you queue your job on

Re: Permission policy

2000-03-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 16, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a waste of effort if the user can create a sgid shell. Do you really mount user-writeable directories without the nosuid option? -- ciao, Marco

Re: Another packages wishlist

2000-03-16 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
Carlos Barros wrote: On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 08:19:39PM -0200, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: Yann Dirson wrote: [snip] ** RHide: a curses-based IDE for FreePascal, with Borland look-and-feel http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~sho/rho/rhide/rhide.html [snip] I'm quite new to Debian

ITP: swapd -- dynamic swap allocator

2000-03-16 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
Hello all, I have packaged swapd -- demon that checks free memory and if system needs more virtual memory, this demon makes another swapfile and adds it to the system. There is a problem with the kernel, because by default it has MAXSWAPFILES set to 8 which with 4 Mb swap files makes only 32 Mb

Re: PC / Internet fax solution

2000-03-16 Thread Joshua Pierre
Umm, Ok spam on the devel list?? What the hell is the world coming to. Josh

Re: Debian and GNOME, partnership with Helixcode?

2000-03-16 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 01:17:56AM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Fabien Ninoles wrote: However, I'ld like to see a standard meta-info files about the package, which had informations necessary to create a packages, like compilation commands, files (including

Re: Permission policy

2000-03-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 09:39:41PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Mar 16, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a waste of effort if the user can create a sgid shell. Do you really mount user-writeable directories without the nosuid option? 1. Depends on the environment.

Re: Less interactive upgrades.

2000-03-16 Thread Tom Rothamel
On 16 Mar 2000 16:06:34 -0500, Will Lowe wrote: I've had the same thought, but not enough time to begin such a project. I wonder if there would be some way to integrate this with the existing debconf system -- if it uses the same interface, etc., end-users will be much happier. I plan to

Re: Less interactive upgrades.

2000-03-16 Thread Will Lowe
Debconf integration doesn't seem all that likely, as the two are fairly orthagonal. (In the Debian world, configuration and configuration files seem to be rather distinct things.) Yes, they're pretty distinct, but it seems a little counterintuitive to have to configure a package twice: once

Re: Permission policy

2000-03-16 Thread Herbert Xu
Ruud de Rooij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (of course, this attack can be prevented using mount options to disable setgid executables on all filesystems where users have write access) But the user can still leave a process running with the privileges after he logs out. Now whenever he logs in

Re: Two maintainer entrys in bug reports by maintainer

2000-03-16 Thread Herbert Xu
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should I file a bug report against the bug system? (Filing a bug-report against myself is hard in this case because I can't fix it ;-).) I think if you reupload your packages with the correct Maintainer field, then the bug system will fix itself. --