Release-critical Bugreport for September 1, 2000

2000-09-01 Thread BugScan reporter
Bug stamp-out list for Sep 1 05:1 (CST) Total number of release-critical bugs: 218 Number that will disappear after removing packages marked [REMOVE]: 0 -- Package: afterstep (debian/main) Maintainer: Steven R. Baker

Re: XEmacs/GTK 21.1.11

2000-09-01 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 30 Aug 2000, Joachim Trinkwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juhapekka Tolvanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I fear, that it will take so much time, that we must have separately packaged XEmacs/Gtk meanwhile. And I fear, that latest upstream sources of XEmacs will ship with too old version of

Re: XEmacs/GTK 21.1.11

2000-09-01 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
Joachim == Joachim Trinkwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joachim Juhapekka Tolvanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I fear, that it will take so much time, that we must have separately packaged XEmacs/Gtk meanwhile. And I fear, that latest upstream sources of XEmacs will ship with too

Re: ITP enhydra

2000-09-01 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Matt Zimmerman wrote: I intend to package Enhydra, an open source Java/XML application server Fine! Because I'm currently in the process of searching a reasonable content management system. Is there anybody who could draw a short comparison between enhydra and zope aor may

Re: Security of Debian SuX0r?

2000-09-01 Thread Simon Richter
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: Shadow passwords make your system more secure because nobody is able to view even encrypted passwords. Passwords are stored in a separate file that can only be read by special programs. We recommend the use of shadow passwords. If you're going to use

Re: Security of Debian SuX0r?

2000-09-01 Thread Joey Hess
Simon Richter wrote: Yup, this question is senseless. If you happen to have encrypted passwords in the passwd file, the shadow file is not looked at for these accounts. So having shadow passwords will not break NIS. The question is about the default setting. -- see shy jo -- To

Re: gpm and X problem investigated

2000-09-01 Thread Rainer Dorsch
We discussed this previously (I think on debian-testing). The odd thing with the configuration is, that the user has to specify twice the mouse type (during gpm and during X setup). Even worse, if the user decides to use a PS/2 instead of a serial mouse, he has to change it at several places.

Re: My recent bug's and continuing effort to debconf-ize Debian

2000-09-01 Thread Colin Watson
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started this afternoon submitting bugs against packages which print verbose output in their maintainer scripts. The future that Debian must take is to fully support debconf. To further this goal I will continue submitting patches to any package

va.debian.org is down?

2000-09-01 Thread Paul Slootman
I can't ssh to it, and www.debian.org doesn't work either. Paul Slootman -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wurtel.demon.nl/ work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.murphy.nl/ debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ isdn4linux: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: va.debian.org is down?

2000-09-01 Thread Joey Hess
Paul Slootman wrote: I can't ssh to it, and www.debian.org doesn't work either. Yes, it's down. I'll reboot it as soon as I can tomorrow morning. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Security of Debian SuX0r?

2000-09-01 Thread Simon Richter
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: Yup, this question is senseless. If you happen to have encrypted passwords in the passwd file, the shadow file is not looked at for these accounts. So having shadow passwords will not break NIS. The question is about the default setting. Maybe, but I

Re: Free Pine?

2000-09-01 Thread Joseph Carter
Richard, I am comfortable speaking for the group at large when I say we appreciate your advice and input on this matter. I myself appreciate the ends you're trying to accomplish here. Nevertheless, the methods you're using to go about this cause me to question whether or not your means justify

Re: gpm and X problem investigated

2000-09-01 Thread mattyt
We discussed this previously (I think on debian-testing). The odd thing with the configuration is, that the user has to specify twice the mouse type (during gpm and during X setup). Even worse, if the user decides to use a PS/2 instead of a serial mouse, he has to change it at several

Re: gpm and X problem investigated

2000-09-01 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:58:24AM +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: The middle mouse button works flawless, if you select the Intellimouse protocol: Of course, it's rather non-obvious that you need to select anything other than the protocol your physical mouse supports (or it was when I tried a

Re: ANNOUNCE: First official release of apt-show-source

2000-09-01 Thread Robert Ramiega
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 05:11:52PM +0200, Dennis Schoen wrote: ANNOUNCE: First official release of apt-show-source What is it? It's a perl script that parses the dpkg status file and that APT list files that end with Sources, without any options it prints out all installed packages and

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 12:04:23AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:37:01PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Purists happen to be whoever disagrees with Hamish Moffat. Cf. his rhetoric here with his rhetoric in the great Social Contract amendment flamewar. Perhaps

Re: Free Pine?

2000-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 02:46:40PM -0600, Richard Stallman wrote: Their position was that the words permission to copy, distribute and modify do not grant permission to distribute a modified version. In other words, they say you can distribute the software, and you can modify the software,

Re: imap mailbox killer

2000-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:35:40AM +0300, Juhapekka Tolvanen wrote: There might be bug in either Pine or IMAP(D) or both. There is. The license. (See debian-legal.) -- G. Branden Robinson |A committee is a life form with six or Debian GNU/Linux|more legs

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Anand Kumria
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:10:27PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Richard Braakman wrote: I don't know how the decision ended up being made, but the argument I presented at the time is that a dependency on debhelper is far more likely to be versioned than the others are. A

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Anand Kumria
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 04:49:31PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Manoj Srivastava wrote: I think that since every package using a helper package seems to need a versioned dependency, addign debhelper to build essential shall not remove the burden from the packages. And

why can't mc open /dev/gpmctl?

2000-09-01 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Hi, found something like this in my logs for every start of mc: Sep 1 12:13:48 pkfp20 mc: /dev/gpmctl: No such file or directory I wonder why. Maybe a bug in mc? In fact, /dev/gpmctl exists: srwxrwxrwx1 root root0 Sep 1 12:16 gpmctl= The '=' is an indication of the

Re: why can't mc open /dev/gpmctl?

2000-09-01 Thread Martijn van de Streek
On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote: Sep 1 12:13:48 pkfp20 mc: /dev/gpmctl: No such file or directory I wonder why. Maybe a bug in mc? In fact, /dev/gpmctl exists: I got these too, with both mc and links. I guess it's a libgpm0-bug. Installing (and running) gpm fixed it for me

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 04:35:53AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 12:04:23AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:37:01PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Purists happen to be whoever disagrees with Hamish Moffat. Cf. his rhetoric here with his

Re: why can't mc open /dev/gpmctl?

2000-09-01 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Martijn van de Streek wrote: Sep 1 12:13:48 pkfp20 mc: /dev/gpmctl: No such file or directory I wonder why. Maybe a bug in mc? In fact, /dev/gpmctl exists: I got these too, with both mc and links. I guess it's a libgpm0-bug. Installing (and running) gpm fixed it

Re: My recent bug's and continuing effort to debconf-ize Debian

2000-09-01 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 04:59:27PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Julian Gilbey wrote: A thread came up here a little while back about installation scripts sometimes not being able to use debconf for security or other reasons. That's not particularly accurate. Sorry ;-) So what about

Re: Where's the prc-tools package?

2000-09-01 Thread Michael Beattie
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:38:25AM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: dinstall has a bug where if it gets uploaded to frozen it gets removed from unstable... Someone just needs to re-uploaded a recompiled version for woody. I *really* should get around to reviewing that patch I did, and apply

Re: Free Pine? Fsck Pine!

2000-09-01 Thread Sven Guckes
* Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [000831 20:47]: If Debian decides to reject IMAPD and tells the U of W so, that will put some pressure on them to clarify the license. Otherwise they may prefer to leave it unclear in order to to have it both ways. I don't see why Debian (or GNU, or Linux)

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Anand Kumria wrote: So file a bug. They can do exactly the same thing with dpkg-dev. dpkg-dev is an extremely stable interface, something you can not say for debhelper. Wichert. -- _ / Nothing is fool-proof to

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Aug-00, 12:43 (CDT), Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 08:29:30PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: Which is just a stupid pain in the ass. I had to track through three different references and finally install the build-depends package to find

Re: Machine-specific optimizations

2000-09-01 Thread Arthur Korn
Hello. Alisdair McDiarmid schrieb: On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:49:13PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: you always have the option of using 'apt-get source' to recompile a package, then place it on hold and we wont touch it. I've tried doing this occasionally -- more often to change a

Re: Free Pine?

2000-09-01 Thread Raul Miller
I've an outstanding, unanswered question which I've sent to UW in a related context (IMAPD): what specific clause of the copyright is being violated, when modified versions are distributed. On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 02:46:40PM -0600, Richard Stallman wrote: Their position was that

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Aug-00, 16:52 (CDT), Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that you start with a particular version dependency, and then only update the dependency if you use new features not present in older helper packages. This can be tricky, as it is easy to use a new feature without

Re: Free Pine? Fsck Pine!

2000-09-01 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Sven Guckes wrote: I don't see why Debian (or GNU, or Linux) bothers with the IMAPD of UofW so much at all. Aren't there quite some replacements by now? Nope. Not that are free software and/or full-featured. Yet we're up to our armpits in crappy POP3 servers with more

Re: Free Pine? Fsck Pine!

2000-09-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 03:39:05PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: I don't see why Debian (or GNU, or Linux) bothers with the IMAPD of UofW so much at all. Aren't there quite some replacements by now? [1] The copyright appears to meet our standards (DFSG). [2] The only alternative imap daemon

Re: Machine-specific optimizations

2000-09-01 Thread Robert D. Hilliard
Arthur Korn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a convenient way to put a package on hold? I couldn't Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] included the following in a message dated Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:43:53 +1000: #! /bin/bash # dpkg-hold -- command line tool to flag package(s) as

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Steve Greenland wrote: [...] I think I miswrote earlier: I wrote build-essentials when I should have written Build-Depends. And I'd wager that the vast majority of the Debian developers have no need at all for Build-Depends. What about for users who want to rebuild the

RFC/ITP: everybuddy-cvs

2000-09-01 Thread michael d. ivey
I started making personal debs of the everybuddy CVS snapshots because EB releases tend to lag pretty far behind the code in CVS. I called my package ebsnap, and made it conflict with everybuddy. I put it on my site, and that was that. Now, I've adopted everybuddy and gotten through the NM

Re: RFC/ITP: everybuddy-cvs

2000-09-01 Thread Peter Makholm
michael d. ivey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My current idea is everybuddy-cvs, and make it conflict with everybuddy, and conflict/replace ebsnap, for the people who may have downloaded ebsnap. Is that the correct way to proceed? People using unofficial packages should be aware about the

Re: RFC/ITP: everybuddy-cvs

2000-09-01 Thread michael d. ivey
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 06:24:55PM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote: People using unofficial packages should be aware about the dificulties. So I wouldn't mention the unofficial packages in control files for official Debian packages. OK. I'll mention it on the website for the unofficial ones. I

Re: RFC/ITP: everybuddy-cvs

2000-09-01 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 04:06:33PM +, michael d. ivey wrote: I started making personal debs of the everybuddy CVS snapshots because EB releases tend to lag pretty far behind the code in CVS. I called my package ebsnap, and made it conflict with everybuddy. I put it on my site, and that

Re: gpm and X problem investigated

2000-09-01 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Fri, Sep 1, 2000 at 00:22:23 +0200 (+), J.A. Bezemer wrote: a. Let gpm default to repeating in raw mode (to solve 6.), and add a very clear notice that X should be (re)configured with /dev/gpmdata but using the real protocol -- but when gpm is either stopped or removed/purged,

Re: Help

2000-09-01 Thread tony mancill
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 03:18:26PM +, Dale Scheetz wrote: I checked and all the permissions are like they are supposed to be. (BTW, what is the t in the permission string drwxrwxrwt anyway?) 't' is the sticky bit. On a directory, it means a

Re: Free Pine?

2000-09-01 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 11:57:50AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: I've an outstanding, unanswered question which I've sent to UW in a related context (IMAPD): what specific clause of the copyright is being violated, when modified versions are distributed. On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at

Re: Free Pine?

2000-09-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-Sep-00, 02:50 (CDT), Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, we did get an answer - from Lori (Lori's last name escapes my memory, but it was the person who sent the message you forwarded) - saying that what we are doing with imapd is not against its license and if it turned

Re: My recent bug's and continuing effort to debconf-ize Debian

2000-09-01 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 01-Sep-2000 Colin Watson wrote: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started this afternoon submitting bugs against packages which print verbose output in their maintainer scripts. The future that Debian must take is to fully support debconf. To further this goal I will continue

Re: My recent bug's and continuing effort to debconf-ize Debian

2000-09-01 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
But then it might interrupt the installation process. Just as debconf asks all of the preinst questions before any of the packages have started unpacking, it would be nice to be able to defer any questions that *have* to wait for the postinst until the very end, when all of the packages

Re: RFC/ITP: everybuddy-cvs

2000-09-01 Thread Ben Pfaff
michael d. ivey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I started making personal debs of the everybuddy CVS snapshots because EB releases tend to lag pretty far behind the code in CVS. I called my package ebsnap, and made it conflict with everybuddy. I put it on my site, and that was that. Now, I've

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-Sep-00, 12:10 (CDT), Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Steve Greenland wrote: I think I miswrote earlier: I wrote build-essentials when I should have written Build-Depends. And I'd wager that the vast majority of the Debian developers have no need at all

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Steve Greenland wrote: Those people would be equally well served by a note or check at the beginning of the debian/rules file; we didn't need policy and a new control file headers for that. Alright. What if apt-get source was enhanced so it would pull down any packages

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-Sep-00, 15:04 (CDT), Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Steve Greenland wrote: Those people would be equally well served by a note or check at the beginning of the debian/rules file; we didn't need policy and a new control file headers for that.

Strange rsync issue

2000-09-01 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
Hi all, A starnge thing happened while I was rsyncing Debian binary-i386-1_NONUS.iso from ceu.fi.udc.es . At first I made a pseudo-image, then I rsynced it using this: rsync --verbose --progress --stats --block-size=8192

Re: Strange rsync issue

2000-09-01 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: [snip, commands seem correct] This took more than 12 hours and the progress indicator never came over 2% done. Can someone please tell me what could be the bottleneck and why the second rsync took longer that the first one. If you never got to the

Re: multiple dependancies on the same package?

2000-09-01 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Richard A Nelson wrote: Would the following work as expected: Depends: sendmail (= 8.9.3), sendmail ( 8.9.4) Yes. Wichert. -- / Generally uninteresting signature - ignore at your convenience \ | [EMAIL

Re: My recent bug's and continuing effort to debconf-ize Debian

2000-09-01 Thread Joey Hess
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Are you also reporting bugs against packages whose priority is higher than that of debconf? Is the plan eventually to raise debconf's priority to 'standard' or higher? currently, any package which uses debconf depends on it. Since most packages need it in

Map on debian website - bug in apache?

2000-09-01 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
On http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/developers.loc , there's supposed to be a jpeg of a world map with debian developers. On the main website, www.debian.org, there is. It seems that the .nl webserver is interpreting the filename developers.map.jpeg as a .map image-map file according to this error: