Re: RFC: fix for daemon start on package install/upgrade out-of-runlevel

2000-09-11 Thread Ingo Saitz
MoiN On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:19:10AM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote: BTW, on an unrelated note, a ps | grep solution *MUST* deal with the following possible scenarios, [...] 3. Multiple instances of daemon (and you want to kill only the one you started -- never seen anyone need

Re: RFC: fix for daemon start on package install/upgrade out-of-runlevel

2000-09-11 Thread Herbert Xu
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:19:10AM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Herbert Xu wrote: Which is why it should only be killed in prerm/preinst. Which makes all the supposed simple restart solution for the runlevel problem fail in _all_ cases. Thank you for reminding me

Re: RFP: WayV -- gesture based user interface

2000-09-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:51:23PM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote: 1. Experiment with human computer interaction, especially gesture based computing. 2. Initially some programs that work by extending the functionality of the mouse to allow gestures to represent actions, i.e. draw a C and xcalc

Re: devfsd permissions and makedev permissions coordination

2000-09-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 10, Tom Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terminal devices [1] root.tty 0666 This is obviously wrong, ttys must have 620 permissions (or 600 if you don't want people talk(1)ing to you, but I think the default should be to allow it). It's a huge security hole because

Reference Tool - Video Game World Records

2000-09-11 Thread Walter Day
Dear News Reporter, The high-score database containing the official world records for video game and pinball playing is now available on the Internet as a free reference source. It can be found by clicking on SEARCH SCORES at: http://www.twingalaxies.com This body of information is

Bug#71306: ITP: GZigZag -- An implementation of Ted Nelson's ZigZag

2000-09-11 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist I intend to package GZigZag, which is a Java implementation of Ted Nelson's ZigZag. A stable release is coming soon, and that's what I'll be packaging. ZigZag is a new way of putting information into computers, kind of a crossing between a database, a

Re: devfsd permissions and makedev permissions coordination

2000-09-11 Thread Tom Lees
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:56:30PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Sep 10, Tom Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terminal devices [1]root.tty 0666 This is obviously wrong, ttys must have 620 permissions (or 600 if you don't want people talk(1)ing to you, but I

Re: Fwd: Re: Help on Debian Project - Need Me?

2000-09-11 Thread Daniele Cruciani
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 02:45:37PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Daniele Cruciani wrote: About doc-central, I think that a person who is looking for docomuntation couldn't find nothing better than doc-central: if you add image animated icon (flash make want little space on disk

Re: please help updating calendar

2000-09-11 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 03:54:13AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: If there are no fixed events then everything should go in the yearly files. The events are fixed. The main point is that the Jewish calendar is based on the motion of the moon, so that a regular Jewish year is 354 days long (Yet

Re: CGI bug scripts

2000-09-11 Thread Joey Hess
Julian Gilbey wrote: Is it my imagination, or is bugreport.cgi *really* slow? I think that we should really investigate the possibility of using mod_perl. It's using CGI.pm, which is *big* and takes time to load. I've written scripts which I use under mod_perl and the time difference is

Re: CGI bug scripts

2000-09-11 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 04:56:29PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Julian Gilbey wrote: Is it my imagination, or is bugreport.cgi *really* slow? I think that we should really investigate the possibility of using mod_perl. It's using CGI.pm, which is *big* and takes time to load. I've written

Re: RFC: fix for daemon start on package install/upgrade out-of-runlevel

2000-09-11 Thread Henrique M Holschuh
On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Herbert Xu wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:19:10AM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Herbert Xu wrote: Which is why it should only be killed in prerm/preinst. Which makes all the supposed simple restart solution for the runlevel problem

Re: RFC: fix for daemon start on package install/upgrade out-of-runlevel

2000-09-11 Thread Henrique M Holschuh
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Ingo Saitz wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:19:10AM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote: BTW, on an unrelated note, a ps | grep solution *MUST* deal with the following possible scenarios, [...] 3. Multiple instances of daemon (and you want to kill only the one you

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Collins wrote: That kind of packaging is a hack, and a very user unfriendly one. I'd like to have native bzip support, to have a lftp.orig.bz2. lol, whoever said our source package format was user friendly to begin with? It doesn't matter if it's user-friendly. The DBS package format

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 06:55:54PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Ben Collins wrote: That kind of packaging is a hack, and a very user unfriendly one. I'd like to have native bzip support, to have a lftp.orig.bz2. lol, whoever said our source package format was user friendly to begin

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Collins wrote: It doesn't matter if it's user-friendly. The DBS package format is not developer-friendly. But it's maintainer friendly, and that is far more useful for us to have good packages. I was using developer in the sense of debian developer. However, friendlyliness for users

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 07:43:07PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Ben Collins wrote: It doesn't matter if it's user-friendly. The DBS package format is not developer-friendly. But it's maintainer friendly, and that is far more useful for us to have good packages. I was using developer in

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Collins wrote: Still, documentation. Dpkg-source isn't friendly without documentation. Nothing is. Oh look, here's a tarball. Hm, and here is a patch that seems to apply to it. Ok, I see a full source tree now and I'm on my way. vs. Oh look, here's a tarball. Hm, and here is a patch that

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Collins wrote: I'll bet I can get better results using cvs than are possible with DBS. Maybe you can, because that is what you prefer. I don't feel like setting up a CVS repo to do my package maintainence, since that means I tie myself down to one machine, or have to setup ssh or

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 08:26:37PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Ben Collins wrote: Still, documentation. Dpkg-source isn't friendly without documentation. Nothing is. Oh look, here's a tarball. Hm, and here is a patch that seems to apply to it. Ok, I see a full source tree now and I'm on my

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2000-09-11 Thread Federico Grau
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modutils-2.3.11-8 request change

2000-09-11 Thread Federico Grau
Hello Wichert and debian developers, I am a relatively new debian user (but long time linux user) and apoligize for breaking protocol... I have rtfm'ed a lot of debian documentation but still have a lot more. I have a suggestion to change the package modutils-2.3.11-8 (from potato). After (very

Re: RFP: WayV -- gesture based user interface

2000-09-11 Thread Tommi Virtanen
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:12:35PM +, Hamish Moffatt wrote: 2. Initially some programs that work by extending the functionality of the mouse to allow gestures to represent actions, i.e. draw a C and xcalc starts, draw an N and Netscape starts, etc. I maintain a package called libstroke0

Re: modutils-2.3.11-8 request change

2000-09-11 Thread Michael Beattie
On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 12:24:51AM -0400, Federico Grau wrote: Hello Wichert and debian developers, I am a relatively new debian user (but long time linux user) and apoligize for breaking protocol... I have rtfm'ed a lot of debian documentation but still have a lot more. I have a suggestion

Re: modutils-2.3.11-8 request change

2000-09-11 Thread Simon Richter
On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Michael Beattie wrote: [modutils bug report] Your patch would fall perfectly in the wishlist category. There is (or rather should be, I haven't checked whether this bug still exists) an open bug concerning modutils being unremovable and update-modules failing for

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
The point being, I'm not arguing that the format I or other people are using is right, but the system is more useful than what we are given to use (the diff/dsc/tar setup). You can argue about the tar in a tar all you want, I don't like it either. But the seperate patch set is a must, and

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Herbert Xu
Nicolás Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source packages must be for everybody, because we want everybody to go to sources, to help us, to get involved... Well put. Perhaps what we need is a utility to deDBSify packages. Then the DBS maintainers can keep using DBS to maintain their

Re: Debian and KDE: Appology

2000-09-11 Thread Jeff Teunissen
Paul Seelig wrote: On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:29:37AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: On Fri 08 Sep 2000, Paul Seelig wrote: RMS should IMHO publically apologize with the KDE people for this condescending part of his otherwise correct article. He should be So now _you_ are telling

KDE is not working!

2000-09-11 Thread Michael Meskes
I just updated my old 1.1.2 installation from Ivan's site to the new 2.0 packages from woody. And nothing's going! KDM works but after login I get that splash screen telling me it's trying to setup KDE and even telleing me KDE is up and running. Then it disappears and the screen remains grey. I

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Ben Collins
On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 07:26:15PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: Nicolás Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source packages must be for everybody, because we want everybody to go to sources, to help us, to get involved... Well put. Perhaps what we need is a utility to deDBSify packages.

ITP: xxdiff

2000-09-11 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Tommi Virtanen wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist I intend to package it. This is my first task in order to become Debian developer... *t Tomas Pospisek SourcePole

Re: devfsd permissions and makedev permissions coordination

2000-09-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 11, Tom Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is obviously wrong, ttys must have 620 permissions (or 600 if you don't want people talk(1)ing to you, but I think the default should be to allow it). For ttys owned by a shell that's true, but it's set up by login(1), not MAKEDEV (or

Re: KDE is not working!

2000-09-11 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
yea..grab the .deb's out of incoming...or change your /usr/bin/startkde script iout with the one I'm attaching. Ivan On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 01:33:14PM -0700, Michael Meskes wrote: I just updated my old 1.1.2 installation from Ivan's site to the new 2.0 packages from woody. And nothing's

Upcoming changes with glibc and db2

2000-09-11 Thread Ben Collins
Well, with glibc 2.1.93 on the way into woody, you will all need to note that db/db2 are not in glibc anymore. For now, libdb2 will be supplying the symlinks required to keep packages compiled against glibc's db/db2 from breaking, and libc6 will depend on this new libdb2 package (same as before,

NSS db module, split from glibc

2000-09-11 Thread Ben Collins
Just a heads up, the nss_db module is going away from glibc. It was split from glibc upstream, and will be packaged seperately from now on. For a short while after glibc 2.1.93 is uploaded to woody, there will not be an nss_db module, until I get that package done. If you use this module... Ben

Re: Bug#71237: cdparanoia: cannot use cdparanoia 'out of the box' as a non-root user.

2000-09-11 Thread Dale E. Martin
Basically, cdparanoia requires use of 'scsi-generic' (/dev/sg*) when reading from SCSI cdrom drives. /dev/sg device nodes are created with root.root ownership and mode 0600. Which is correct - you definitely want tight access on your devices. As relaxing permissions in general on /dev/sg*

d-d digest

2000-09-11 Thread Steve Robbins
Hi, I've not received anything via debian-devel-digest since Friday, yet there are new messages visible via the web. Can someone check if the digesting mechanism is broken? -S -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: My orphaned packages.

2000-09-11 Thread Daniel Kobras
On 10 Sep 2000, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: `scsh' ought to be taken over by someone who actually uses it. I've not even looked at it in over a year. If nobody objects I'd like to do this together with Martin Gasbichler who wrote a fair part of scsh 0.6. But me having just applied for Debian

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Ben Collins wrote: Makes more sense than what we have now, and is easier to seperate (where as now, the entire debian directory is in a diff, and would be easier to parse as a tarball of it's own). That's true, the debian-dir in the diff is not very elegant. (But one can

Re: devfsd permissions and makedev permissions coordination

2000-09-11 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 01:18:02PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Sep 11, Tom Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is obviously wrong, ttys must have 620 permissions (or 600 if you don't want people talk(1)ing to you, but I think the default should be to allow it). For ttys owned by a

Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2

2000-09-11 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 04:47:21PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: I believe, that one diff is much more better than many diffs. This only works, if the diff's are independend or one diff is diff are on the top of each other. So I do not see the advantage of many diffs. The advantage of

ITS: Gwydion Dylan

2000-09-11 Thread Brent Fulgham
ITS: Intent to Sponsor ;-) It appears that these were never officially part of Debian. Those packages originated from ftp://folk.federated.com/pub/gd/DEB/potato and http://www.gwydiondylan.org/downloading.phtml is what pointed me there. It looks like you might be in good shape, though I'm

gettextized console-apt

2000-09-11 Thread kiwamu
Hi! My name is Kiwamu Okabe. I have added gettext-support to console-apt. The gettextized console-apt can print multi-lingual messages. Could you merge it into console-apt? binary

Re: System sees only 65M of memory

2000-09-11 Thread Erik
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 05:56:52PM -0600, Art Edwards wrote: I just purchased two Athalon-based systems, each with 768M of ram. However, under debian (potato runnin kernel 2.2.17) the OS sees only 65 M of memory. I have tried to use the append command mem=768M but it still sees only 65 M?

Re: gettextized console-apt

2000-09-11 Thread David Starner
On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 01:13:21AM +0900, kiwamu wrote: Hi! My name is Kiwamu Okabe. I have added gettext-support to console-apt. Thanks. It's probably better, however, if you just make a bugreport, severity wishlist, on console-apt and include the details in the bugreport.

Re: System sees only 65M of memory

2000-09-11 Thread Jason Quigley
Does your bios have the setting memory hole at 64M activated? I'm not sure if that's the exact option. I only vaguely remember something like that as I haven't rebooted for such a long time - and sorry - I refuse to for this! ;-) Cheers, Jason. --On Monday, September 11, 2000 9:20 -0700 Erik

RE: gettextized console-apt

2000-09-11 Thread Patrick Cole
Hi! My name is Kiwamu Okabe. I have added gettext-support to console-apt. The gettextized console-apt can print multi-lingual messages. Could you merge it into console-apt? binary http://misterdosv.eei.metro-u.ac.jp/~kiwamu/apt-line/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/admin/console-a

Re: Bug#71237: cdparanoia: cannot use cdparanoia 'out of the box' as a non-root user.

2000-09-11 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Quoting Dale E. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As relaxing permissions in general on /dev/sg* would create more of a potential security risk for SCSI-based systems, and there is no constant mapping between [/dev/scd*] and [/dev/sg*], cdparanoia should be made suid root and should drop root

Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-11 Thread Martin Bialasinski
* Daniel == Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Also, it might be intriguing to (ab)use the VFS support in Daniel these programs to convert them into Apt frontends. I'm not Daniel sure how far you could go, but it would be interesting to see Daniel if it worked. Check cd #apt or

Re: KDE is not working!

2000-09-11 Thread Colin Watson
Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea..grab the .deb's out of incoming...or change your /usr/bin/startkde script iout with the one I'm attaching. [...] # Link socket resource to directory in /tmp # Creates a directory /tmp/ksocket-$USER and links $KDEHOME/socket-$HOSTNAME to it. I

Re: KDE is not working!

2000-09-11 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
# Link socket resource to directory in /tmp # Creates a directory /tmp/ksocket-$USER and links $KDEHOME/socket-$HOSTNAME to it. I hope that last line is merged with the one before it in the uploaded version ... it is -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Archive maintainers: Please relocate tpctl package

2000-09-11 Thread Thomas Hood
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 05:05:35PM -0400, Thomas Hood wrote: The tpctl packages still haven't been relocated. Is there some holdup? Michael Beattie wrote: Time. sorry, I'll take a look this afternoon. I see you've done it! Thanks. Thomas Hood -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Scsh (Was: Re: My orphaned packages.)

2000-09-11 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
Daniel == Daniel Kobras [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel On 10 Sep 2000, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: `scsh' ought to be taken over by someone who actually uses it. I've not even looked at it in over a year. Daniel If nobody objects I'd like to do this together with Martin

Re: Scsh (Was: Re: My orphaned packages.)

2000-09-11 Thread Georg Bauer
Hi! On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 01:42:14PM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: Since you are teaming with Martin Gasbichler, and since Martin is a co-author of Scsh, I'd say that puts you two in as most qualified to handle the package. (Daniel? Please forward this mail to Martin.) Yup, they are