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Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 07:54:00PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: personally the plain text database is one of dpkg's greatest assets. its a royal pain to repair a binary database when it gets fscked. and yes i have already been saved from a total reinstall through the ability to fix dpkg's

Re: aacraid driver

2000-12-25 Thread NOKUBI Takatsugu
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm the developer of the aacraid driver. I've noticed some old posts on your web site w/r/t this driver. If the maintainer of the debian kernel is including this driver, he/she should contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to make sure they have

Need to clone machines efficiently - help?

2000-12-25 Thread Erik Winn
Hi Folks, I have just started working with a group here in Portland that is taking in old machines and recycling them - putting linux on as the OS (of course ;}). See http://www.freegeek.org for more. Its a non-profit all volunteer thing; and actually one of the people has posted to one of

Re: Need to clone machines efficiently - help?

2000-12-25 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 12:15:50AM -0800, Erik Winn wrote: Here is the first obstacle - not really a big one, but I spent all day digging around and couldn't really find any tools for this one: we want to be able to clone the machines easily over the local net. boot floppy that asks only

How Do You Create Leads?????

2000-12-25 Thread kneasi
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Re: looking for replacement for run (because of critical bug in

2000-12-25 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:41:54 -0500, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 06:46:46PM +, Marc Haber wrote: You'd have to have a ton of precautions. The task at hand seems trivial, but it isn't :-( init does a good job of this; if there were an easy, error-proof way

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Petr Èech
On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 10:47:00PM -0600, Dwayne C . Litzenberger wrote: Hello! I'm starting work on a new linux package manager. The idea is to be able to replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch and designed to be as simple (code, not features) and

Re: looking for replacement for run (because of critical bug in

2000-12-25 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:41:54 -0500, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I would say that if the program dies so frequently that it needs a wrapper like this, it should probably be fixed. console-log uses less syslog which dies every time the user types Q. And it needs to die if the

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Ethan Benson | personally the plain text database is one of dpkg's greatest assets. | its a royal pain to repair a binary database when it gets fscked. and | yes i have already been saved from a total reinstall through the | ability to fix dpkg's broken database with a text editor.

Re: looking for replacement for run (because of critical bug in

2000-12-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 01:29:44PM +, Marc Haber wrote: On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:41:54 -0500, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I would say that if the program dies so frequently that it needs a wrapper like this, it should probably be fixed. console-log uses less syslog

hwtools starting script

2000-12-25 Thread Matus \fantomas\ Uhlar
Hello, when looking into /etc/rcS.d (it's the first directory with RC scripts that are processed at boot, isn't it?) I found this order of scripts: README S05keymaps-lct.sh S10checkroot.sh S20modutils S30checkfs.sh S30procps.sh S30setserial S35devpts.sh S35mountall.sh S40hostname.sh

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Joseph Carter wrote: On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 07:54:00PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: personally the plain text database is one of dpkg's greatest assets. its a royal pain to repair a binary database when it gets fscked. and yes i have already been saved from a total reinstall through the

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Jeffry Smith
Dwayne C . Litzenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: -- On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 11:44:13AM -0500, Adam Lazur wrote: Dwayne C . Litzenberger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager? Relocatable packages so a user can do an individual package install

Re: ITO: zope-popyda, python-popy

2000-12-25 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Federico Di Gregorio wrote: after being asked so by the upstream author i declare my intention to orphan (from now) the following packages: Why does upstream want you to orphan them? Wichert. -- _ /

Re: ITO: zope-popyda, python-popy

2000-12-25 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Wichert Akkerman's letter: Previously Federico Di Gregorio wrote: after being asked so by the upstream author i declare my intention to orphan (from now) the following packages: Why does upstream want you to orphan them? he developed popy and

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Mark Seaborn
Dwayne C . Litzenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager? I want a system where I can install multiple versions of a library (or any package really) and say which version I want each program on the system to use, possibly on a per-user

Re: Need to clone machines efficiently - help?

2000-12-25 Thread Erik Winn
Hi Aaron, Thanks very much for the pointer - I'm reading the docs for it and it looks very promising. Might even be worth building a couple of debs from it ... no promises on that right now though :). Happy whicheveryouprefer! Erik Winn On Monday 25 December 2000 01:08, Aaron Lehmann

Re: Need to clone machines efficiently - help?

2000-12-25 Thread Mircea Luca
Erik Winn wrote: Hi Folks, I have just started working with a group here in Portland that is taking in old machines and recycling them - putting linux on as the OS (of course ;}). See http://www.freegeek.org for more. Its a non-profit all volunteer thing; and actually one of the people

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2000-12-25 Thread Red`XIII

Re: partial mirroring script (that actually doesn't work)

2000-12-25 Thread Joey Hess
Hi, fwiw the current and generally working version of my partial mirror script is at http://cvs.kitenet.net/joey-cvs/bin/debmirror -- see shy jo

Re: Location of -doc documentation?

2000-12-25 Thread Joey Hess
Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: I just noticed that `apache-doc' puts the documentation under http://.../doc/apache;, while `debconf-doc' puts it under http://.../debconf-doc/;. Eh? (Debconf-doc is a package, that contains some documentation files. It doesn't touch the web space at all.) -- see

Re: Location of -doc documentation?

2000-12-25 Thread Arthur Korn
Joey Hess schrieb: Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: I just noticed that `apache-doc' puts the documentation under http://.../doc/apache;, while `debconf-doc' puts it under http://.../debconf-doc/;. Eh? (Debconf-doc is a package, that contains some documentation files. It doesn't touch the

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Arthur Korn
Hi Mark Seaborn schrieb: I want a system where I can install multiple versions of a library (or any package really) and say which version I want each program on the system to use, possibly on a per-user basis. The present system is a disaster waiting to happen: If I install a package from

Re: Location of -doc documentation?

2000-12-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 11:48:32PM +0100, Arthur Korn wrote: Joey Hess schrieb: Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: I just noticed that `apache-doc' puts the documentation under http://.../doc/apache;, while `debconf-doc' puts it under http://.../debconf-doc/;. Eh? (Debconf-doc is a

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Brian May
Russell == Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russell On Saturday 23 December 2000 09:13, KORN Andras wrote: I feel that there exists a general confusion among some Debian developers as to what user ids such as 'nobody' should be used for. I suggest that the policy be

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Brian May
Dwayne == Dwayne C Litzenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dwayne Hello! I'm starting work on a new linux package manager. Dwayne The idea is to be able to replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect Dwayne (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch and Dwayne designed to be as simple

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:13:13AM +1100, Brian May wrote: However, the idea of one UID per daemon is (IMHO) a really horrible solution, too, as you end up having more UIDs for daemons then users. Why is that a problem? There are 65536 available UIDs. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Anand Kumria
On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:48:35AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:13:13AM +1100, Brian May wrote: However, the idea of one UID per daemon is (IMHO) a really horrible solution, too, as you end up having more UIDs for daemons then users. Why is that a problem?

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Brian May
Hamish == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hamish On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:13:13AM +1100, Brian May wrote: However, the idea of one UID per daemon is (IMHO) a really horrible solution, too, as you end up having more UIDs for daemons then users. Hamish Why is

Re: Misclassification of packages; libs and doc sections

2000-12-25 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Hi Thomas, I got back to working on ontology, and I'd like to give an answer to one of your previous remarks. Your last e-mail was a bit harsh but I'm hoping that you will find my view worthwhile. ;) Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: I think that logic has a great deal to do with semantics. I

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Brian May wrote: 2. Get rid of maintainer scripts (don't ask me how...) so that upgrading packages is guaranteed not to destroy your computer, even if the package came an from untrusted source. This could be carried further by saying no daemons can be started by UID=root without express

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2000-12-25 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Mistakenly sent to debian-devel. This is off topic. Merry Xmas to you all!! Cheers, -- Eray (exa) Ozkural Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Brian May wrote: - harder to administrate /etc/passwd as more users exist. I like using groups to give different sets of rights and I'm annoyed by Debian giving every user his own group. Is that reall necessary? cu, -- Eray (exa) Ozkural Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara e-mail:

Re: Misclassification of packages; libs and doc sections

2000-12-25 Thread Anand Kumria
On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 04:29:22AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Hi Thomas, [snip - lengthy email] All of which is fine and dandy. None of which belonged on a public mailing list though. Your email is tangentially related to Debians' effort to determine new categories. In future please

Re: Misclassification of packages; libs and doc sections

2000-12-25 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Anand Kumria wrote: In future please send those kinds of emails privately. mis-take. :) -- Eray (exa) Ozkural Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager

2000-12-25 Thread Jeffry Smith
Another thing I would like is something like the BSD ports - download the source, have my machine do the compile, but still have all the dependencies properly worked out (sort of an expanded apt-get -b source). -- jeff smith

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Brian May
exa == exa Eray writes: exa Brian May wrote: - harder to administrate /etc/passwd as more users exist. exa I like using groups to give different sets of rights and I'm exa annoyed by Debian giving every user his own group. Is that exa reall necessary? I don't do that on

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2000-12-25 Thread Brian May
exa == exa Eray writes: exa You need to devise a package description/configuration exa language that is declarative rather than procedural. exa What comes to my mind would be some sort of logical exa language, maybe something based on Prolog. That the exa statements as your

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 04:43:53AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Brian May wrote: - harder to administrate /etc/passwd as more users exist. I like using groups to give different sets of rights and I'm annoyed by Debian giving every user his own group. Is that reall necessary? It's

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Nathan E Norman wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 04:43:53AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: I like using groups to give different sets of rights and I'm annoyed by Debian giving every user his own group. Is that reall necessary? It's useful when you're in a development environment where

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Brian May wrote: exa == exa Eray writes: exa Brian May wrote: - harder to administrate /etc/passwd as more users exist. exa I like using groups to give different sets of rights and I'm exa annoyed by Debian giving every user his own group. Is that exa reall

Re: Need to clone machines efficiently - help?

2000-12-25 Thread Peter Eckersley
On Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 12:15:50AM -0800, Erik Winn wrote: Hi Folks, I have just started working with a group here in Portland that is taking in old machines and recycling them - putting linux on as the OS (of course ;}). See http://www.freegeek.org for more. Its a non-profit all

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Brian May
Eray == Eray Ozkural exa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eray Yep. I discovered that umask issue. I guess it's still a Eray problem. zsh has in /etc/zshrc: [[ $UID == $GID ]] umask 002 || umask 022 My only dislike is it overrides my default setup in ~/.zshenv of 077. It seems wrong to put

Re: Bug#80343: general: Lack of policy on which files should be owned by which user

2000-12-25 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 04:43:53AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: I like using groups to give different sets of rights and I'm annoyed by Debian giving every user his own group. Is that reall necessary? No, but it's a good idea. It makes it much easier to work in directories shared with