[Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Hi, I'm sending this mail because libc maintainer seems to have closed the bug I've issued without doing any investigation on his own. Here's my original message --- Subject: libc6-dev: PTHREAD_ERRORCHECK_INITIALIZER_NP not defined as claimed in docs

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:45:53PM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: But... if you are using woody for -production-, I'm sorry again, but that's an idiot move... and you know that if you have spent -any- time at all on OPN, much less enough to get familiar enough to help others on channel. And if

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:16:22AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: You know, kinda like the way I went nuclear on Wichert when he broke vim. You use vi? Emacs rules. CAN'T YOU READ THE HEADERS OF MY MAILS, YOU SLOPE-HEADED TWIT I SUBSCRIBE TO THIS

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Chris Lawrence
At 10:27 PM 1/2/2001, Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:16:22AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: You know, kinda like the way I went nuclear on Wichert when he broke vim. You use vi? Emacs rules. CAN'T YOU READ THE HEADERS OF MY MAILS, YOU

Re: autodetecting MBR location

2001-01-03 Thread dvdeug
Stephen says: Russell == Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russell Right. The s/[0-9]+$// should do it. pedant mode=major s/\d+$// not s/[0-9]+$//. The former will continue to work in Unicode capable file-systems (assuming Linux ever supports such). /pedant It supports them

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Erik
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 08:53:23AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 11:06:18PM -0800, Erik Hollensbe wrote: And why are packages being REMOVED (lib-pg-perl for example) when I dist upgrade? Because thats what dist- stands for. If you dont want to remove conflicting or

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:57:35PM -0800, Chris Lawrence wrote: I suspect most people's MUA's don't display non-standard headers by default But there is also this, which *is* standard[1], and which I also have: Mail-Copies-To: never So not only are people stupid, but their MUA's are as well.

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Peter Palfrader
Hi Eray! On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Hi, I'm sending this mail because libc maintainer seems to have closed the bug I've issued without doing any investigation on his own. | It has been closed by one of the developers, namely | Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]. | | Their

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Peter Palfrader
Hi Branden! On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:57:35PM -0800, Chris Lawrence wrote: I suspect most people's MUA's don't display non-standard headers by default But there is also this, which *is* standard[1], and which I also have: Mail-Copies-To:

Re: List of packages that could be dropped

2001-01-03 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is any package using functions of dpkg-perl or dpkg-python? If yes, I think someone should take care of this packages and the bugs that are in them. If not, could we move this packages from our distribution to experimental until they are

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Colin Watson
Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: But there is also this, which *is* standard[1], and which I also have: Mail-Copies-To: never So not only are people stupid, but their MUA's are as well. Mutt is broken too wrt Mail-Copies-To and shorty

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Buddha Buck
Lars Wirzenius said: There isn't even any need to put anything in the headers. From Debian Developer's Reference, section 4.1 Mailing lists: When replying to messages on the mailing list, please do not send a carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request

Re: Important Note On Source-Only Uploads

2001-01-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:24:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The most important problem this has is how katie (the new dinstall) processes it. It goes through the following motions: I guess it needs to be fixed, right? I'd actually like to see source-only become the norm--we've seen too many

Re: dpkg-statoverride vs. suidmanager

2001-01-03 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Joey Hess wrote: * Make a new suidmanager package that predepends on the new line of dpkg packages and, in its preinst, converts everything to use statoverride. * Dpkg doesn't need any support for suidmanager conversion stuff at all. * Any package that once used suidmanager and is

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Peter Palfrader wrote: Did you do this first? No. I'm sending it here because I want it to be seen. -- Eray (exa) Ozkural Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Peter Palfrader
Hi! On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, Colin Watson wrote: From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org ARGL, /me should really get glasses or whatever. Any reason you ignored my MailFup2 header? yours,

Sigsegvs after latest glibc-update

2001-01-03 Thread Svante Signell
Since the latest update of glibc (libc6-2.2-8) in unstable, several games, such as ut436, gltron, terminus ceased to work, exiting with a SIGSEGV error. What up?

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:12:44AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Anyway, here is the _explanation_ for the bug report. There's a preprocessor symbol in posix threads. It's called PTHREAD_ERRORCHECK_INITIALIZER_NP. I claim that it has not been defined although it is said to be defined

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Jim Lynch
Hi. If you want to advocate the use of unstable software, please be my guest... but not on #debian. it changes daily, and can potentially break every day, potentially disasterously. So -no-. It's NOT appropriate to tell people to run servers on unstable software. On the other hand... if you want

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Peter Makholm
Jim Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to advocate the use of unstable software, please be my guest... but not on #debian. it changes daily, and can potentially break every Again, what is you right too say so other than it is you oppinion?

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Colin Watson
Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, Colin Watson wrote: From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org ARGL, /me should really get glasses or whatever. Any reason you ignored my MailFup2 header? D'oh. All things

Bug#81131: ITP: manpages-nl -- Dutch manpages

2001-01-03 Thread Joost van Baal
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Hi, Currently, josX is translating manpages in sections 1 and 2 to Dutch. Upstreams maintainer is planning to translate manpages for all commonly used standard Unix programs (excluding e.g. vi(1), including e.g. find(1)), all syscalls, most used C libraries

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Ben Collins
I've just reported what I had thought, some many many months ago, to be a problem. Of course, the maintainer has not done anything about this report for 7 months, and then he closes it like that. Not good. Oh, and just to chime in on this little bit, I did not start maintaining glibc until

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 03-Jan-01, 07:41 (CST), Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Palfrader wrote: Did you do this first? No. I'm sending it here because I want it to be seen. Why not send it the package maintainer, who can actually do something about it, rather than whining to us? It is not

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2001-01-03 Thread Laurent Martelli
Bam == Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dwayne == Dwayne C Litzenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dwayne So my question is: What do you wish for in a package Dwayne manager? Run fast, and do not do things like update-something twice when upgrading several packages at once.

ITP: normalize

2001-01-03 Thread Eduardo Marcel Macan
Normalize is a nice program that adjusts volume levels of a bunch of wav files, it is very useful when you want to make audio CDs from audio recorded from multiple sources for an example. sox provides volume level adjusting , but normalize presents us with an easier to use interface, and

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Jim Lynch
Date:03 Jan 2001 15:23:09 +0100 To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org From:Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long) Jim Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to advocate the use of unstable software, please be my guest...

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Peter Makholm
Jim Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you please read the Developers Reference section 4.1 second paragraph. When machines break for whatever reason, sometimes people come to #debian for help. It's unhelpful to encourage people to break their mission-critical servers... If Eric wants to

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Eray == Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eray I'm sending this mail because libc maintainer seems to have closed Eray the bug I've issued without doing any investigation on his own. Eray Subject: Eray libc6-dev: PTHREAD_ERRORCHECK_INITIALIZER_NP not defined as

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Wanted to make an ass of yourself in public, eh? Yep. -- Eray (exa) Ozkural Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Ben Collins wrote: WOW. Go fucking figure. YOUR BUG REPORT says PTHREAD_ERRORCHECK_INITIALIZER_NP while this info page shows PTHREAD_ERRORCHECK_MUTEX_INITIALIZER_NP argh. my first great mistake of the millenium. fuck me real hard. -- Eray (exa) Ozkural Comp. Sci.

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Jim Lynch
Hi... Date:03 Jan 2001 17:16:44 +0100 To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org From:Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long) Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Jan 3 08:17:24 2001 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2001-01-03 Thread Adi Stav
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 03:40:21PM +0100, Laurent Martelli wrote: /usr/doc - /usr/share/doc transition problems are one consequence of this. If files were tagged according to some high level criterions, it would be easier to put change the physical location during installation. Setting the

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Indeed, you should feel lucky that even the non standard PTHREAD_ERRORCHECK_MUTEX_INITIALIZER_NP is provided by the implementation, even though not present in ISO/IEC 9945-1 Yep, I know what NP means. My trouble was something else but I had thought that it was

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Ben Collins wrote: WHAT TO DO: - Get a clue - Read better Roger that. Getting a clue: It looks like I was having a bad day; due to the nature of hack mode I have done it incorrectly Reading better: Looks like I'm still having a bad day. If I can't strcmp then how will I rightfully

Re: Sigsegvs after latest glibc-update

2001-01-03 Thread Joe Drew
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:53:46PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: Since the latest update of glibc (libc6-2.2-8) in unstable, several games, such as ut436, gltron, terminus ceased to work, exiting with a SIGSEGV error. What up? I'm seeing this as well. Reverting to -5 fixed it (maybe a later

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Ben Collins wrote: Oh, and just to chime in on this little bit, I did not start maintaining glibc until Aug 31, 2000 (my first changelog entry). So no, I have not been sitting on this for 7 months. Get your facts straight. I'm really ashamed, Ben. Sorry, sorry, sorry. :{ -- Eray (exa)

ITP: abuse-sdl

2001-01-03 Thread Arto Jantunen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist This is the sdl-port of Abuse. It will solve the 8-bit only-problem, if I can make it compile. ;) Anyway, it was downloaded from http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~trandor/ and license is GPL. -- Arto Jantunen

Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?

2001-01-03 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Adi Stav wrote: I've had similar thoughts, and I thought that perhaps some of functions of installation scripts can be replaced by hook scripts that dpkg would run. Something like this is planned for dpkg 1.9, currently in development in cvs. BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Riku Voipio
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:54:27AM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suspect most people's MUA's don't display non-standard headers by default (I'm pretty sure mutt, pine, evolution, and elm as configured by default don't... and the lame copy of Eudora I'm

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Peter Makholm
Riku Voipio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which reminds me, why doesn't this list just set: reply-to: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Please read ``Reply-To'' Munging Considered Harmful URL: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html It should say it all.

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Eray Ozkural \(exa\)
Now it's my unavoidable duty to find out what has caused me to file this bug. Thanks, -- Eray (exa) Ozkural Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Miles Bader
Riku Voipio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which reminds me, why doesn't this list just set: reply-to: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Because it's completely wrong. Doing so takes the choice of who to reply to (the sender or the list) out of the hands of the reader [at least without annoying manual

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On 3.I.2001 at 19:31 Peter Makholm wrote: Riku Voipio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which reminds me, why doesn't this list just set: reply-to: debian-devel@lists.debian.org One and the same mail can be sent to more than one mailinglists, but the replyes usualy should go to only one of

Using normalize from another program [was Re: ITP: normalize]

2001-01-03 Thread idalton
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:47:00PM -0200, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: Normalize is a nice program that adjusts volume levels of a bunch of wav files, it is very useful when you want to make audio CDs from audio recorded from multiple sources for an example. sox provides volume level

rsync mirror script for pools - first pre alpha release

2001-01-03 Thread Goswin Brederlow
== Goswin Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I've been asked about my rsync mirror script, which is an extension from Joey Hess's one, on irc and here several times. So would there be intrest in a deb of the script coming with a debconf interface for

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread D-Man
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:08:25PM +0200, Anton Zinoviev wrote: Reply-To munging does not benefit the user with a reasonable mailer. People want to munge Reply-To headers to make ``reply back to the list'' easy. But it already is easy. Reasonable mail programs have two separate ``reply''

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:08:25PM +0200, Anton Zinoviev wrote: On 3.I.2001 at 19:31 Peter Makholm wrote: With one exception: Reply-To munging does not benefit the user with a reasonable mailer. People want to munge Reply-To headers to make ``reply back to the list'' easy. But it

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Philip Brown
[ D-Man writes ] ... Try mutt and its L command. The L command means list-reply, aka only send a message to the list, not to all recepients. It also sets a header flag so that other well-behaved MUA's don't send you an extra copy of their replies since you will get it on the list anyway.

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:15:42PM -0500, D-Man wrote: Try mutt and its L command. The L command means list-reply, aka only send a message to the list, not to all recepients. It also sets a header flag so that other well-behaved MUA's don't send you an extra copy of their replies since you

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Philip Brown
[ Miles Bader writes ] Riku Voipio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which reminds me, why doesn't this list just set: reply-to: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Because it's completely wrong. Doing so takes the choice of who to reply to (the sender or the list) out of the hands of the reader

Re: Using normalize from another program [was Re: ITP: normalize]

2001-01-03 Thread Eduardo Marcel Macan
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:59:18AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, this looks spiffy. I have something of a usage question though, in regards to the 'gender' (distributed ripper/encoder) program I'm scripting. I'd LIKE to add audio normalisation as an option, but since ripping and

apt-move on testing?

2001-01-03 Thread David A. Greene
Is it possible to set up a local mirror of testing with apt-move? When I try this, I get errors about missing overrides files: waller:~# apt-move -t sync Updating Packages and override files... Getting: distribution names Getting: testing main Packages.gz Getting: testing main override.gz

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Miles Bader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown) writes: As opposed to the current scheme, which also requires annoying manual editing of addresses to reply to the list, if your mailreader does the reasonable thing and assumes you want to reply to the original sender of the message, in liu of a reply-to

Re: Using normalize from another program [was Re: ITP: normalize]

2001-01-03 Thread idalton
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:33:41PM -0200, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:59:18AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, this looks spiffy. I have something of a usage question though, in regards to the 'gender' (distributed ripper/encoder) program I'm scripting. I'd

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Philip Brown
[ Miles Bader writes ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown) writes: As opposed to the current scheme, which also requires annoying manual editing of addresses to reply to the list, if your mailreader does the reasonable thing and assumes you want to reply to the original sender of the

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:11:21PM -0800, Philip Brown wrote: [ Miles Bader writes ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown) writes: As opposed to the current scheme, which also requires annoying manual editing of addresses to reply to the list, if your mailreader does the reasonable thing

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Miles Bader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown) writes: I guess YOUR mailreader is too old or disfunctional to be worth discussing I did not request you to Cc me. But you replied to the list AND me. Because that is the most useful action for mail followups in the absence of other information. If you (or

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2001-01-03 Thread Prg
Hi! Ihave just read your posting at http://www.linuxhelp.de/f/cache/260.html There you wrote that you coded a program that converts a .dbx file into another format. Consequently I assume, that you know any resources of Outlook 5.0's .dbx format. I would be glad if you couldmail me some good

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Philip Brown
[ Nathan E Norman writes ] ... On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:11:21PM -0800, Philip Brown wrote: I guess YOUR mailreader is too old or disfunctional to be worth discussing I did not request you to Cc me. But you replied to the list AND me. ... Since you've set the Reply-To: header,

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Philip Brown
[ Miles Bader writes ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown) writes: I guess YOUR mailreader is too old or disfunctional to be worth discussing I did not request you to Cc me. But you replied to the list AND me. Because that is the most useful action for mail followups in the absence of

ITP: prozilla

2001-01-03 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva \(KoV\)
Prozilla is a multi-threaded download acelerator wich uses multiple connections to the server breaking the file in pieces and joining them in the end. It accepts download resuming from FTP and HTTP, including redirection. It shows its stats in a ncurses based interface or in a gtk one. Prozilla's

libglide2: debconf didn't ask question even for failed answer

2001-01-03 Thread zhaoway
hi, [no time to dig deeper, right now, bear with me] when installing libglide2 which uses debconf, i gave a answer which causes the package failed to be installed, then after the batch installation, i re-run apt-get to install it, but it didn't ask the question again. i consider this is fault

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 03-Jan-01, 13:26 (CST), Philip Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reply-to is meant to direct where you should send replies to. And in the case of the debian mailing lists, you should reply to the list. No, you shouldn't. (And there lies the crux of the issue. One side things a little

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread D-Man
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:57:56PM -0800, Philip Brown wrote: For instance, if I followup to any of Branden Robinson's posts, they go to the list only. that is because both you and he are using special software. Let's find out. Miles, Branden, what MUA's do you use? I happen to use mutt

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Sven Burgener
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:23:55PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: the new 'testing' distribution (sid) should be even better - nearly all the benefits of 'unstable' but tested to at least install properly without error. Wrong: unstable-sid; testing-woody. sid/unstable will never become

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread D-Man
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:11:21PM -0800, Philip Brown wrote: By making Reply-To: point to the list, you make these two different commands do the same thing, thus depriving the user of the choice. There is NO depriving of choice. If the recipient user wants to send to the original sender,

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:35:26PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, Colin Watson wrote: From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org ARGL, /me should really get glasses or whatever. Any reason you ignored my MailFup2

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:04:07PM -0500, D-Man wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:57:56PM -0800, Philip Brown wrote: For instance, if I followup to any of Branden Robinson's posts, they go to the list only. that is because both you and he are using special software. Let's find out.

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Philip Brown
[ D-Man writes ] A different list that I am on does the Reply-To munging. This means that if I hit group-reply (when I use an MUA that doesn't understand lists) the list will get 2 copies : 1 in the To and 1 in the CC field. Is this really what you want? Getting double mail on the list?

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread D-Man
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:24:16PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:04:07PM -0500, D-Man wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:57:56PM -0800, Philip Brown wrote: For instance, if I followup to any of Branden Robinson's posts, they go to the list only. that is

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Peter Palfrader
Hi Branden! On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:35:26PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Wed, 03 Jan 2001, Colin Watson wrote: From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org ARGL, /me should really

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Riku Voipio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which reminds me, why doesn't this list just set: reply-to: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Which most MUA's respect. Even this mail was one y from going only to liw :) Because fiddling with the reply-to is a horrible horrible thing

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread D-Man
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:30:39PM -0800, Philip Brown wrote: [ D-Man writes ] snip You are free to use whatever MUA you want, but don't complain to the rest of us if it is broken. Funny, you just did exactly that. If your mailreader was better, you would have a better functioning

Re: maybe ITP rsync mirror script for pools

2001-01-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 02, Goswin Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So would there be intrest in a deb of the script coming with a debconf interface for configuration, cronjob or ip-up support and whatever else is needed to keep an uptodate mirror. Please don't encourage private mirrors! I have been the

Re: maybe ITP rsync mirror script for pools

2001-01-03 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:57:07PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jan 02, Goswin Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So would there be intrest in a deb of the script coming with a debconf interface for configuration, cronjob or ip-up support and whatever else is needed to keep an uptodate

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Oliver Elphick
Branden Robinson wrote: How about reading my headers, which is all I asked for in the first place? exmh, at least, does not show Branden's X-no-cc: header; you have to scroll up to see it. With 400+ messages per day, I'm not likely to scrutinise headers closely. Furthermore, I make a

our broken man package

2001-01-03 Thread Joey Hess
I'm concerned with some breakage in the man program. Here is an example: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~chmod 700 . [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~cp /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~man -l ./ls.1.gz man: can't chdir to /home/joey: Permission denied man: ./ls.1.gz: Permission denied Another example

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Philip == Philip Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Philip As opposed to the current scheme, which also requires Philip annoying manual editing of addresses to reply to the list, Why would you need to do that? Doesn't your MUA have a wide reply setting? Philip if your mailreader does

What's the status of webmin?

2001-01-03 Thread Steve Robbins
Hello, What's up with webmin? In the archives of debian-devel, I see at least three threads that started with a message from someone proposing to package webmin, and quickly followed by Jaldhar H. Vyas claiming that he is working on it. However, I can't find webmin at packages.debian.org. In

Re: What's the status of webmin?

2001-01-03 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Steve Robbins wrote: Hello, What's up with webmin? I'm still working on it. If you look in my home directory on master (I presume from your email that you have access to Debian developer machines.) you will see my latest efforts. They still have a few problems which

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Philip == Philip Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Philip guess what? Philip not everyone uses mutt. Philip not everyone should. Yes. Everyone knows that Gnus is the one true mail user agent. Reply-to is meant to send a message back to the person who wrote the first one, not to

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread John Galt
FYI 28 (aka RFC 1855) is the standard. There is nothing about honoring X headers at all. In fact, the only thing the RFC says to do is to honor Reply-To: headers, which I might note you didn't include in your message. Basically, you're on the wrong side of RFC 1855 on this issue and all the

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 06:16:17AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: If you want to advocate the use of unstable software, please be my guest... but not on #debian. it changes daily, and can potentially break every day, potentially disasterously. So -no-. It's NOT appropriate to tell people to run

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread John Galt
Why the hell should we go on #debian on OPN when you so much as admitted that the ops on it have some kind of power trip: devoicing instead of rebutting when they have an issue with what's said? If I help somebody, I really don't want to have to stay politically correct: getting the problem

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Philip Brown
[ D-Man writes ] On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:30:39PM -0800, Philip Brown wrote: Funny, you just did exactly that. If your mailreader was better, you would have a better functioning group-reply. Umm, no I wasn't complaining about my mailreader, but one that I don't use now. I solved the

Re: libglide2: debconf didn't ask question even for failed answer

2001-01-03 Thread Joey Hess
zhaoway wrote: when installing libglide2 which uses debconf, i gave a answer which causes the package failed to be installed, then after the batch installation, i re-run apt-get to install it, but it didn't ask the question again. i consider this is fault ui design. i.e., if the question

Re: rsync mirror script for pools - first pre alpha release

2001-01-03 Thread Joey Hess
Goswin Brederlow wrote: Suggestions to the script are welcome, esspecially: How do I make debconf popup a checklist like: Multiselect data type. -- see shy jo

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Erik Hollensbe
The reason that I haven't responded to this yet is simply because I knew it would go way off course onto a thread like this. Personally, anything I would put into 'production' would have all of it's servers running from-source compiled versions of the daemons it serves. Nothing against any of

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
When you start saying docs, you need to be more specific. But the worrying thing is that this bug should have been tagged as more info, and the originator should have been contacted to provide that info. I don't think that a maintainer should close a bug report if he doesn't understand it, or

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Philip == Philip Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Philip Maybe the fact is that there IS NO best mailreader for everyone, and Philip mailing lists should do their best to accommodate as many as possible. There may not be a *best* newsreader (I realize that there are unbelievers out

Re: [Fwd: Bug#63511 acknowledged by developer(Bug#63511: fixed in glibc 2.2-7)]

2001-01-03 Thread Tim Bell
* Nicolás Lichtmaier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: But the worrying thing is that this bug should have been tagged as more info, and the originator should have been contacted to provide that info. I don't think that a maintainer should close a bug report if he doesn't understand it, or he

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:38:13PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: and respect my Mail-Followup-To header next time. I'd sooner killfile you than respect a lame Mail-Followup-To like this: Mail-Followup-To: Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-devel@lists.debian.org If I'm already

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 08:41:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:38:13PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: and respect my Mail-Followup-To header next time. I'd sooner killfile you than respect a lame Mail-Followup-To like this: Mail-Followup-To: Peter Palfrader

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:19:32PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: How about reading my headers, which is all I asked for in the first place? exmh, at least, does not show Branden's X-no-cc: header; you have to scroll up to see it. I was referring to the header that

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 04:56:38PM -0700, John Galt wrote: FYI 28 (aka RFC 1855) is the standard. There is nothing about honoring X headers at all. I didn't say there was. Does Mail-Copies-To: begin with an X? In fact, the only thing the RFC says to do is to honor Reply-To: headers, which

ITA: man-db, groff

2001-01-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 03:23:03PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: I'm concerned with some breakage in the man program. Here is an example: Both it and groff are maintained by a person who just doesn't seem to give a damn. Let this serve as notice that I plan to take over these packages by force in one

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Joey Hess
Erik wrote: This worries me a little. With testing now in, it seems that packages will only get 1% of the testing they used to before going into a semi-stable set of packages. Personaly i think that if your competent enough to fix your own system, you should consider following sid to help in

Re: dpkg-statoverride vs. suidmanager

2001-01-03 Thread Joey Hess
Wichert Akkerman wrote: * Make a new suidmanager package that predepends on the new line of dpkg packages and, in its preinst, converts everything to use statoverride. * Dpkg doesn't need any support for suidmanager conversion stuff at all. * Any package that once used suidmanager and is

Re: bugs + rant + constructive criticism (long)

2001-01-03 Thread Joey Hess
Erik Hollensbe wrote: And I would have never written the mail in the first place if I had felt that it was my system config that was causing the problem. I have been running almost vanilla unstable to the T since potato was unstable on this system, and *NEVER* had install issues like this on

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