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I suspect it's already been discussed before, so I'll ask instead of flaming.
(See! I can learn!)
Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed? For
instance, portmap is installed by default whether you're using NFS or not, and
bnetd runs even if I just installed the
Raphael == Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Raphael It's a pity we have to keep all those upstream bugs in
Raphael the Debian BTS when there's an upstream BTS. Each
Raphael maintainer should be able to decide if he wants to keep
Raphael the upstream forwarded bug. I'd
Matt == Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matt I agree that a system like this would be nice, but until
Matt that day, you can subscribe to debian-bugs-dist and use
Matt procmail to filter everything but packages you are
Matt interested in. The configuration should be
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's more likely that the upstream people will pay more attention to
that bug, since they know someone has bothered to analyze the
problem already to make it easier for them.
As someone who has spent way more time as an upstream developer than
as a Debian
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:29:58PM -0600, Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote:
Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed? For
instance, portmap is installed by default whether you're using NFS or not, and
bnetd runs even if I just installed the package for bnchat. Shouldn't
On 01-04-29 Joey Hess wrote:
Anyone have a clue?
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Suddenly here
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run. If
i install exim, it will first configure it for me (prompting me), and
then assume
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:40:56PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
Matt == Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matt I agree that a system like this would be nice, but until
Matt that day, you can subscribe to debian-bugs-dist and use
Matt procmail to filter everything but packages
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it.
That's not true. inetd is depended on by the lame metapackage netbase,
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:36:21AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Unless, of course, you can do your filtering on the mail server, as I do.
and how many isps allow this?
--
Ethan Benson
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On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:43:43PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it.
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
I intend to package zsnes, an SNES emulator. zsnes
(http://www.zsnes.com) has a DOS heritage, but early this month the
source code was released under the GPL and it was immediately ported
to SDL. Once the Linux version is officially released (which should be
in a
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 07:48:02PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
I won't go below that as an SMP kernel is always required,
no it's not.
anyone running SMP ought to have enough of a clue to compile their own
kernel.
why should everyone else pay the price for their cluelessness?
and the 686
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 02:15:50PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Please also consider that if the user were to compile his own kernel,
he would face the problem of having to recompile the modules packages
if they're needed.
use kernel-package and all the module packages are compiled automatically,
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:40:56PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
Matt == Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matt I agree that a system like this would be nice, but until
Matt that day, you can subscribe to debian-bugs-dist and use
Matt procmail to filter everything but packages
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 09:20:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
What I am proposing is a new list, similar in scope to the other l10n
lists, where developers can bring text they need a clean English version
of (be the original in some other language, or their best try in
English), and get a good
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 05:05:08PM -0700, Daniel Schepler wrote:
Is this an inconsistency with the above quote from section 7.6, which
uses the word may?
Yes.
Julian
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Ben Burton wrote:
...
Of course there are no packages in Debian which use Gnome Basic either,
since this is its first packaging.
You can compile gnumeric with support for Gnome Basic.
Ben.
cu
Adrian
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sondern
Christian Kurz wrote:
On 01-04-29 Joey Hess wrote:
Anyone have a clue?
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Hi Craig,
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:19:12PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
I won't go below that as an SMP kernel is always required,
no it's not.
anyone running SMP ought to have enough of a clue to compile their own
kernel.
This is the point where I disagree. I really hate having to
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 06:04:08PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
Hi,
I was looking for a lightweight web browser and I try tried
all of those I could get in debs. Unfortunately, neither
mozilla nor galeon nor konqueror are satisfactory in terms
of memory usage (says less than 10
Short problem description:
dpkg complains about wrong syntax in /var/lib/dpkg/available, and in
fact there are a lot of package descriptions where the last line
read something like (from memory)
X-MediumDebian GNU/Linux potato CD 2...
which should of course read
X-Medium: Debian GNU/Linux
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run.
Well, not
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:45:44AM +0300, Sami Haahtinen wrote:
The 'exit 0' line in the beginning of the init file is a bad idea. for so many
times i've commented out the '### comment this line to really start the
service' lines. and then after upgrade gotten in to the position where i have
Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
Package: libpgsql2.1
Version: 7.1release-2
Severity: normal
identds are considered mild privacy/security risks, therefore I don't
think libpgsql2.1 and postgresql-client[1] should depend on
ident-server.
The main use seems to be to allow local
Hi Matt!
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Deborphan is nearly perfect for this. Right now, it just keeps track of
whether a package was installed to satisfy a dependancy, or because you
really want it. If instead of the y/n question it uses for this, it
asked _why_ you want a
Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Joey If these tools become widly enough accepted that we think
Joey everyone should have them available by default, we can make
Joey them standard priority.
In the new universe (debbootstrap, tasksel, etc) where a user might
never run
por favor enviar drivers
gracias
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 06:01:30PM -0500, Ben Burton wrote:
Of course there are no packages in Debian which use Gnome Basic either,
since this is its first packaging.
The issue is more that sgb is specifically intended for people to use
as a platform for developing combinatorial algorithms, and
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run.
I may want to look at the package's documentation, or use some tool that's not
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:37:21AM -0500, Warren A. Layton wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it.
I'm not suggesting we ruin anything. exit 0 isn't the only way to disable
something by default.
My main concern is of security. I know a newbie who installed Debian
recently, and he has something like 15 open ports, which wouldn't be a problem
except for the history of these daemons to have
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 10:51:07AM +0200, Matthijs Melchior wrote:
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:37:21AM -0500, Warren A. Layton wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run.
Well, not
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
The question you should be asking is, why is portmap installed by default?
Fortunately, nowadays it can be removed since it's no longer part of
netbase.
--
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Matthijs Melchior wrote:
Here it's addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I would assume
that something on myhostname.my.isp.com is rewriting the email
@debian.org to @klecker.debian.org. And I don't think that this
localpart apenwarr-survey is available in the sub-domain
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 07:11:35AM -0400, David B . Harris wrote:
Hello there :) I'm looking to set up a local Debian mirror(for private
LAN only, until we get more bandwidth), but only of the Sid/i386
distribution. Now, anonftpsync seems pretty good, but I can't get it to
work properly. I've
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:34:04AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
Joey If these tools become widly enough accepted that we think
Joey everyone should have them available by default, we can make
Joey them standard priority.
In the new universe (debbootstrap, tasksel, etc) where a user
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:27:56PM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote:
Hi,
I wonder why libdb3 package includes
/usr/lib/libdb3.so.3.0.2 ,
/usr/lib/libdb-3.so ,
however libdb3-dev package includes
/usr/lib/libdb3.so .
That .so is not a link name. It is only there so that
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:34:04AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the new universe (debbootstrap, tasksel, etc) where a user might
never run dselect, what makes sure that in the default configuration,
standard priority packages get installed?
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:14:35AM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
On Sunday 29 April 2001 06:48, Brandon High wrote:
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:50:26PM +0200, Andreas Bombe wrote:
The IBM SCSI disk I have here has a jumper to delay spin up depending on
SCSI ID so that an array of those would
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:41:22PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:19:12PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
anyone running SMP ought to have enough of a clue to compile their
own kernel.
This is the point where I disagree. I really hate having to build my
own kernel
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:29:58PM -0600, Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote:
I suspect it's already been discussed before, so I'll ask instead of
flaming. (See! I can learn!)
many times before.
Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed?
because if you didn't want it to
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
If there's nothing that depends on portmap, then default to not
installing portmap.
speaking of portmap, debian's portmap is not an insecure thing to run by
default because it is compiled with tcp-wrappers support and rejects all
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:37:21AM -0500, Warren A. Layton wrote:
Well, not everyone that installs ssh wants to run the server (some may
just want to use the client to connect to other machines). This is
just one example; I'm sure that there are many more.
that means either:
1. ssh and sshd
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 09:13:49PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote:
I have to reiterate a query about what to do with postgresql in view of its
now being linked with libssl.
Since this question is currently being referred to legal advice, do you
want me to move postgresql into non-us, which will
Warren A. Layton wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to
Previously Nils Rennebarth wrote:
Short problem description:
dpkg complains about wrong syntax in /var/lib/dpkg/available, and in
fact there are a lot of package descriptions where the last line
read something like (from memory)
Already fixed in dpkg 1.9.1, which will hit the mirroors in
At Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:04:48 -0400,
Ben Collins wrote:
I wonder why libdb3 package includes
/usr/lib/libdb3.so.3.0.2 ,
/usr/lib/libdb-3.so ,
however libdb3-dev package includes
/usr/lib/libdb3.so .
That .so is not a link name. It is only there so that things compiled
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:51:55PM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote:
I cannot find out why `libdb-3' is used and spreaded over the gnome
packages. Naming soname is sensitive issue, IMHO.
As I said the *upstream* soname is libdb-3.so, and Debian's soname is
libdb3.so.3. The former is not very
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:04:52PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
CW == Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CW Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Programs shouldn't gratuitously break configurations which worked.
When woody is released, and people upgrade en masse to it, they will
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:22:47AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:29:58PM -0600, Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote:
Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed?
because if you didn't want it to run, you wouldn't have installed it.
As always, that
Anthony Towns writes:
...what would people think of making a task-emacs and moving both tetex
and emacs out from standard?
As an emacs user I think this is an excellent idea, but I worry that
such stretching of the definition of task may confuse users.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Oliver Elphick wrote:
Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
Package: libpgsql2.1
Version: 7.1release-2
Severity: normal
identds are considered mild privacy/security risks, therefore I don't
think libpgsql2.1 and postgresql-client[1] should depend on
ident-server.
GM == GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is possible to stop all Cc ?
Christian
At Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:59:24 -0400,
Ben Collins wrote:
I cannot find out why `libdb-3' is used and spreaded over the gnome
packages. Naming soname is sensitive issue, IMHO.
As I said the *upstream* soname is libdb-3.so, and Debian's soname is
libdb3.so.3. The former is not very conformant
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:28:49AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
1. ssh and sshd should be split into separate packages. if it bothers you
enough, file a bug report. i'm happy with the way it is.
or
2. the handful of people who want the ssh client but not the ssh daemon
can learn how to
JB == Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
Ha, somebody understand me :)
JB In which case, it's perfectly reasonable to just leave the bug open
JB and not fix it. But don't close it. And do forward it upstream.
Already done.
Christian
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:41:22PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
This is the point where I disagree. I really hate having to build my
own kernel just to do some tests with a fresh installation. I think
the standard kernel should support SMP. I don't know if it causes
any problems with UP
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:27:38AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote:
At Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:59:24 -0400,
Ben Collins wrote:
I cannot find out why `libdb-3' is used and spreaded over the gnome
packages. Naming soname is sensitive issue, IMHO.
As I said the *upstream* soname is libdb-3.so,
,
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p.s. Friday's !!
On 01-04-30 Matthijs Melchior wrote:
Christian Kurz wrote:
On 01-04-29 Joey Hess wrote:
Anyone have a clue?
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:01:16AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
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I would assume (hope!) the original poster plans to run both power
supplies from the same central switch, in order to minimise problems
here.
OP doesn't plan to run anything. OP informed Powers That Be of the
options and is waiting
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 10:55:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Christian Hammers wrote:
Would it be good to have a package task-debian that had dependencies to such
meta packages (including the latest version of apt,debconf and dpkg) to
ensure that users always get the latest Debian
Steve Langasek wrote:
In case anyone should ask why the server cannot authenticate directly,
communication between front- and back-ends is done through a Unix socket
and therefore it is not possible for the back-end to know the identity
of the user at the front-end. The only options
Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk writes:
It is indeed the case that ident is needed to allow local access without
a password. I understand that this presents a small security risk on the
server.
I think README.Debian or somesuch should tell why ident is necessary,
and perhaps also how one can
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On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:51:45PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:36:21AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Unless, of course, you can do your filtering on the mail server, as I do.
and how many isps allow this?
Some IMAP servers support server-side filtering, which
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:05:20PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote:
$ host -v -t MX -A debian.org
Query about debian.org for record types MX
Found 1 address for debian.org
Checking debian.org address 198.186.203.20
!!! debian.org address 198.186.203.20 maps to klecker.debian.org
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Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
That's not true for Linux 2.[24].x at least. One can use
getsockopt(..., SO_PEERCRED, ...) to get the uid of the other end.
It would be nice if you could request that as an upstream feature.
The upstream developers are not friendly to non-portable features; I
Hi folks,
Is it possible to keep an eye upon package consistency on the
hosts 'http.us.debian.org'?
Each time I run 'apt-get update', some of the package lists on my
machine seem to be outdated, even if the last update has been done
just a few jiffies ago. But usually the following 'apt-get
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Oliver Elphick wrote:
This works for Unix sockets under Linux 2.2 and Linux 2.4, at least. I don't
know how portable the interface is beyond that, and lack of portability might
prevent upstream from adopting it. It would be interesting to see this as an
option for Debian,
reopen 95420
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:22:18AM -0700, Zack Weinberg wrote:
ash 0.3.8-1 incorporates changes in word splitting which break common
shell scripts, such as /usr/bin/mktexpk and the 'mklibgcc' script used
when compiling GCC.
#! /bin/ash
OIFS=$IFS
IFS=,
As always, that would be true if they weren't installed by default. The
current method requires too much prior knowledge.
This could be put as a question whenever someone installs Debian
GNU/Linux. Something like Do you want to enable the installed server
software by default. Beware that this
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
a professional multitrack multichannel audio recorder and DAW using
ALSA-supported audio interfaces. Supports up to 32-bit samples, 24+ channels at
up to 96 kHz, non-destructive, non-linear editing.
Licence is GPL.
http://ardour.sourceforge.net
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run. If
i install
I don't think I'll need it - Dave Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Itai Zukerman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] both seem to be able and willing to sign my key. If
that fails for some reason, I'll contact you, but don't plan on it.
Thanks very much for the offer though.
- Jimmy Kaplowitz
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Actually there are some packages that depend on a mail-transport-agent,
(such as lilo-logrotate-mailx), yet one may not want to have an MTA
running on certain systems. I suppose a dummy or minimal MTA may be
I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA of
some sort
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