Please don't misuse the debian/changelog to close bugs!

2003-06-24 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! Alright, this happened far too often lately to be ignored. This must stop, pretty please. The developers-reference[1] isn't written just for fun. Yes, writing closes: #123 in a changelog a really easy way to close a bugreport. But it is not the golden calf! Don't overdo it, don't

Re: Package.. ma si pu

2003-06-24 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 12:16:21AM +0200, Samuele Giovanni Tonon wrote: io non ho capito bene questa storia del pacchettizzare solo la versione binaria .. nell'upload ufficiale a debian di solito bisogna fornire comunque i src che poi viene trasformato in deb-src e compilato dai BD se non

Re: contiamoci...

2003-06-24 Thread Guido Trotter
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:58:54AM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: Ciao, Allora che delegazione del 'chapter IT' ci sara' ad Oslo? zufus enrico fabbione frankie who else? ultrotter Ciao, Guido

packaging + kernel patches

2003-06-24 Thread Mattia Dongili
ciao a tutti, sto debianizzando un demone che ho scritto (http://sf.net/project/cpufreqd) e mi sorge qualche domanda: 1- mi sto *aiutando* con dh_make, e' cosa buona e giusta? (in realta' e' dh_make che sta facendo tutto, ma tant'e' :) 2- il demone fa uso di una feature dei kernel 2.5 e

Re: packaging + kernel patches

2003-06-24 Thread Mattia Dongili
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:09:38 +0200 Enrico Zini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 05:40:19PM +0200, Mattia Dongili wrote: sto debianizzando un demone che ho scritto (http://sf.net/project/cpufreqd) e mi sorge qualche domanda: 1- mi sto *aiutando* con dh_make, e' cosa

Re: Possibiltés avec Alioth

2003-06-24 Thread Mathieu Roy
Michel Grentzinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Bonjour, Un developpeur Debian a annoncé que ses paquets sont disponibles sur CVS et m'a indiqué qu'il pourrait me donner accès au CVS. Comment fonctionne Alioth pour les non développeurs Debian ? D'après ce que j'ai compris, je dois créer

Re: Possibiltés avec Alioth

2003-06-24 Thread Frédéric Bothamy
* Michel Grentzinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-06-24 13:07] : Bonjour, Un developpeur Debian a annoncé que ses paquets sont disponibles sur CVS et m'a indiqué qu'il pourrait me donner accès au CVS. Comment fonctionne Alioth pour les non développeurs Debian ? Comme un CVS normal. D'après

Re: Possibiltés avec Alioth

2003-06-24 Thread Michel Grentzinger
Le Mardi 24 Juin 2003 15:51, Frédéric Bothamy a écrit : Un developpeur Debian a annoncé que ses paquets sont disponibles sur CVS et m'a indiqué qu'il pourrait me donner accès au CVS. Comment fonctionne Alioth pour les non développeurs Debian ? Comme un CVS normal. D'après ce que j'ai

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 01:12:04PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, David B Harris wrote: Exim is capable of handling Maildir mailboxes. It's Priority: important. I don't know if that counts as shipping it by default or not, but I would certainly say that it's the closest

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread David B Harris
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:12:04 +1000 (EST) Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Capable of handling, yes, but then, so is cat. g Once delivered, though, there's no way of getting it back out again unless you're running something like courier or similar. Or Mutt, or a halfdozen other MUAs.

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-24 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:11:36 +0200, Erwan MAS wrote: Please keep , a i386 or i586 architecture , for the via C3 processor . i686 architecture is not compatible with C3 . This processor is very used in the Via EPIA motherboard : See :

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-24 Thread GOTO Masanori
At 21 Jun 2003 00:27:18 +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: RedHat provide glibc for i386, i586 and i686. Why doesn't Debian provide several packages for i*86 when the package can be optimized a lot depending on the CPU type? We're planning. i686 optimized binary does not work on my machine, so it's

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, David B Harris wrote: Given how simple it is, makes more sense to have it in one place. I don't know where it should be (in all the MTAs?), but there you go :) Well I have one in dovecot but I don't see why it couldn't be in e.g. debianutils. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL

Re: Can a polish speaker please translate this?

2003-06-24 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Marek Habersack wrote: thanks Marek. Can you ask him if he installed webmin updates without using .debs? This is the most probable cause of his problem. It is a bad idea because the packaging system is unaware of the changes and can, like in this case, accidently overwrite

Re: C++ Java IDE

2003-06-24 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Jan Schulz | * David Goodenough wrote: | | KDevelop comes as part of KDE, Eclipse is only available in unstable at the | moment (I don't think it has made it into testing yet but I may be wrong). | | Nope... On the other hand it is no problem to recompile it on woody | systems. Only thing is

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Andreas Metzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] But, I was looking around and wondering about that I couldn't find any `maildirmake' for Debian, excluding qmail-src, courier and maildrop, which I don't want/don't need to use. [...] You could start by telling us what maildirmake is supposed to do. Why do we

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 01:12:04PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: My logic was that, from the basic system, Maildir mailboxes are no use. Can I have a bit of the weed you are smoking? Seems to be good. Package: mutt Priority: standard `standard' These packages

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Dan Jacobson
I was hoping large package developers would write longer descriptions.

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You could start by telling us what maildirmake is supposed to do. Why do we need it? Any program I know of which can handle Maildir is not only capable of storing messages in Maildir folders but also of generating them. This includes e.g. the exim(4) MTA,

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Michael Koch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 24. Juni 2003 09:45 schrieb Ralf Hildebrandt: * Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You could start by telling us what maildirmake is supposed to do. Why do we need it? Any program I know of which can handle Maildir is not only

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:45:30AM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You could start by telling us what maildirmake is supposed to do. Why do we need it? Any program I know of which can handle Maildir is not only capable of storing messages in Maildir

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Sam Clegg
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:45:30AM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You could start by telling us what maildirmake is supposed to do. Why do we need it? Any program I know of which can handle Maildir is not only capable of storing messages in Maildir

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Michael Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You could start by telling us what maildirmake is supposed to do. Why do we need it? Any program I know of which can handle Maildir is not only capable of storing messages in Maildir folders but also of generating them. This includes e.g. the exim(4)

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Dan Jacobson
I was hoping that maintainers of multi-megabyte packages would do the package justice by giving an adequate description. The Packages file could very well be the source for decisions on what gets chosen or not for ones system.

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 03:29:23PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: I was hoping that maintainers of multi-megabyte packages would do the package justice by giving an adequate description. File wishlist bugs with a patch for the long description then. Michael

Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Daniel Stone
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: debbackup Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.trinity.unimelb.edu.au/~dstone/debbackup/ (not functional yet) *

Re: EPSON appreciates your feedback by June 30, '03 - Debian

2003-06-24 Thread Julien BLACHE
[Ob-lists: if replying publicly, please reply to -devel only] Farideh Sherbaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Linux Developer and Distributor, Hi, Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Farideh Sherbaf and I am your contact for EPSON Worldwide Developer Relations for scanners and

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-24 Thread Adam Warner
Hi Arnd Bergmann, On Tuesday 24 June 2003 02:00, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Martin v. Löwis wrote: In g++ 3.2, this code was distributed as i386, and nobody noticed that it doesn't work on i386 for quite some time. In gcc 3.3, an implementation is provided that works on i386,

Re: Accepted vile 9.3-s1 (sparc source all)

2003-06-24 Thread Thomas Dickey
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:29:15 +1000 Source: vile Binary: xvile vile-filters vile vile-common Architecture: source sparc all Version: 9.3-s1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low

Re: [devel] Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Re: [devel] Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description [Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 03:17:27PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]] I was hoping large package developers would write longer descriptions. Where are the statistics for that? You only gave the

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-24 Thread Johannes Rohr
Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I was wondering, should I make a mass filing of bugs for those packages who fail to produce a proper description? [...] I doubt that just filing bugs without fix makes sense, OTOH if you planned to submit 10 reports with the description

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread John Hasler
Dan Jacobson writes: I was hoping that maintainers of multi-megabyte packages would do the package justice by giving an adequate description. While extremely short descriptions might be a cause for concern regardless of the size of the package, I don't see why larger packages should need longer

Re: CGI:IRC on Debian

2003-06-24 Thread David Leadbeater
On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 14:28, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: Hello people! =) I became a maintainer recently, when I took the prozilla package from Gustavo Noronha Silva (kov), a few days ago. I am now trying to finish my second Debian Package: cgiirc. Unfortunately, the program puts all

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Stephen Frost
* Dan Jacobson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was hoping large package developers would write longer descriptions. Too bad. The two are not, should not, and should never be related. Stephen pgpiYTdDuqfg2.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Stephen Frost
* Dan Jacobson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was hoping that maintainers of multi-megabyte packages would do the package justice by giving an adequate description. The description is adequate. The size of the package has nothing to do with it. The Packages file could very well be the source

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 09:10:09PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 07:56:42AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: Fellas, looking in the Packages files, some big packages have little descriptions, some little packages have big descriptions, and this package description went

Re: no freshness dating inside Packages.gz

2003-06-24 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: Bernd Eckenfels wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 08:29:14PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: He wants to know when a particular package was last updated, without having to download it and examine the gzip time stamp and/or changelog. It is unfortunate, that there is no

Re: C++ Java IDE

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Tollef, * Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Jan Schulz | sources.list. Unfortunatelly I don't have that much webspace to do | a woody backport myself... deb http://mirror.raw.no/ gnome2.2/ deb-src http://mirror.raw.no/ gnome2.2/ Was more meant to supply a eclipse backport for woody. :) My

Re: no freshness dating inside Packages.gz

2003-06-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 03:14:26PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Bernd Eckenfels wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 08:29:14PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: He wants to know when a particular package was last updated, without having to download it and examine the gzip time stamp and/or changelog.

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Alexander Wirt
Am Die, 2003-06-24 um 03.46 schrieb Matthew Palmer: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'm wondering about it even more. IMHO `maildirmake' is _very_ necessary for any mail and as it seems to be only a 2-line-shell-script why it isn't included anywhere and anyway in the

Re: no freshness dating inside Packages.gz

2003-06-24 Thread Bill Allombert
Martin Schulze wrote: Bernd Eckenfels wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 08:29:14PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: He wants to know when a particular package was last updated, without having to download it and examine the gzip time stamp and/or changelog. It is unfortunate, that there is

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 01:47:55PM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: At 21 Jun 2003 00:27:18 +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: RedHat provide glibc for i386, i586 and i686. Why doesn't Debian provide several packages for i*86 when the package can be optimized a lot depending on the CPU type? We're

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 11:51, Daniel Stone wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: debbackup Version : 0.1 Version 0.1... How much of it does already work? How much is sid specific and won't work on woody/sarge?

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Daniel Stone wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: debbackup Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL :

Re: EPSON appreciates your feedback by June 30, '03 - Debian

2003-06-24 Thread Farideh Sherbaf
Dear Matt, Thank you for responding to my email. I will use Julien as scanner contact person. However, if possible I appreciate if I could also obtain your signature info for our database. Best regards, Farideh - Original Message - From: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Farideh

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-24 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Johannes Rohr wrote: I'd say that writing a meaningful package description is certainly the duty of the individual package maintainer. A package maintainer should usually have an idea of what his/her package is good for, while Javier would probably have to spend a lot more time to figure that

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Andreas Barth
* Adam Heath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030624 18:50]: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Daniel Stone wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: debbackup Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mar 24/06/2003 à 18:44, Adam Heath a écrit : Tell me when you upload this, so I can file an rc bug against it, for modifying other packages conffiles. In the meantime, you can still file RC bugs against all text editors that allow to modify conffiles. Hint: maybe this package won't modify

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:44:51AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Daniel Stone wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: debbackup Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: EPSON appreciates your feedback by June 30, '03 - Debian

2003-06-24 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi Farideh, On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:15:25PM -0700, Farideh Sherbaf wrote: Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Farideh Sherbaf and I am your contact for EPSON Worldwide Developer Relations for scanners and All-In-One (Multifunction) products. The EPSON Developer Relations

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:56:03PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: the worst culprits are usually sets of binary packages from the one source file which have package descriptions like libfoo-dev = dev files for libfoo, libfoo-doc = documention for libfoo, and libfoo = runtime files for foo

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Brett Cundal
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:44:51AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Daniel Stone wrote: [snip] debbackup is a supplemental, Debian-specific, backup program. It backs up only what is needed to restore from a fresh install, with data recovered - package information (including

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 06:41:21PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: I'd say that writing a meaningful package description is certainly the duty of the individual package maintainer. A package maintainer should usually have an idea of what his/her package is good for, while Javier would

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Daniel Stone wrote: * Package name: debbackup - installing/updating required packages, restoring configuration files, and more. Tell me when you upload this, so I can file an rc bug against it, for modifying other packages conffiles. let's

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:44:51AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Daniel Stone wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: debbackup Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Daniel Stone [EMAIL

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Keegan Quinn
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 10:59 am, Emile van Bergen wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:44:51AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Tell me when you upload this, so I can file an rc bug against it, for modifying other packages conffiles. *g* 5 serious replies already -- sorry Adam, I'm afraid

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
I've been meaning to write this for a while. I wrote up a procecure and I may have even posted it. I include files indicated by cruft in my backups. I'm also looking at checking md5sums and atimes to help decide if backups of files like conf files is neccisary or if they're just the defaults from

Re: advise for packaging duali arabic spell checker

2003-06-24 Thread Mohammed Sameer
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:09:25AM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: On Sunday 22 June 2003 12:48 am, Mohammed Sameer wrote: i was thinking about splitting duali itself into 2 packages: 1- duali the main dictionary 2- duali-dev contain the script duali-data build-depends on duali-dev while duali

favicon resource

2003-06-24 Thread Henning Moll
Hi! I was just looking for a 'open use' debian favicon. But i can't find it on http://www.debian.org/logos/index.en.html Is it ok to use the resource from http://www.debian.org/favicon.ico ? Shouldn't it also be published on the logo page? Regards Henning

Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Marek Habersack
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: pmk Version : 0.4.5 Upstream Author : Damien Couderc Xavier Santolaria * URL : http://premk.sf.net/ * License : BSD Description : The pmk project aims to be an

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-24 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 06:41:21PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Johannes Rohr wrote: I'd say that writing a meaningful package description is certainly the duty of the individual package maintainer. A package maintainer should usually have an idea of what his/her package is good for, while

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:30:31PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: [...] Description : The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts). Description field is inappropriate, use something like: Description: A GNU/autoconf alternative. ciao, -- Luca - De

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Marek Habersack
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:44:17PM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis scribbled: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:30:31PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: [...] Description : The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts). Description field is

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:44:17PM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:30:31PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: [...] Description : The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts). Description field is inappropriate,

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-24 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Josip Rodin wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 06:41:21PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: I'd say that writing a meaningful package description is certainly the duty of the individual package maintainer. A package maintainer should usually have an idea of what his/her package is good for, while

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:46:52PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:44:17PM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis scribbled: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:30:31PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: [...] Description : The pmk project aims to be an alternative to

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 07:17:58PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: the worst culprits are usually sets of binary packages from the one source file which have package descriptions like libfoo-dev = dev files for libfoo, libfoo-doc = documention for libfoo, and libfoo = runtime files for

Re: Please don't misuse the debian/changelog to close bugs!

2003-06-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 01:23:25PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Alright, this happened far too often lately to be ignored. This must stop, pretty please. The developers-reference[1] isn't written just for fun. [snip] /me stands up _ _ _ _

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-24 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Benj. Mako Hill wrote: I don't think that filing a bug saying that Your extended package description does not meet Debian policy requirements. Please consider writing 4-5 lines to give sysadmins an idea what your package can do for them. means asking too much from a Debian maintainer. You don't.

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Marek Habersack
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:52:20PM -0500, Steve Langasek scribbled: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:44:17PM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:30:31PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: [...] Description : The pmk project aims to be an alternative to

Re: Update re: read-only root filesystem

2003-06-24 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hello On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 01:12:20PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: Some progress has been made toward the goal of making Debian easier to use with a read-only root filesystem. Action has been taken to remove variable files from /etc/, or at least to make it possible to do so locally, in the

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:41:59PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 07:17:58PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: the worst culprits are usually sets of binary packages from the one source file which have package descriptions like libfoo-dev = dev files for libfoo,

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-24 Thread Neil Spring
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 03:25:23PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Use ${description}, and debian/substvars. This is already supported. RTFM. is there FM in the form of an example package? or can you think of a method of finding packages that use this technique? dpkg-souce(1) implies that

Re: Developer Accessible Hurd Machine

2003-06-24 Thread Mario Lang
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some time ago, Martin Schulze pointed out that there is no developer accessible Hurd machine available. I am happy to coordinate the donation of hardware for this if it is this something that you

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:59:19PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:52:20PM -0500, Steve Langasek scribbled: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:44:17PM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:30:31PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: [...]

Bug#198682: ITP: kernel-patch-2.4-low-latency -- Reduces the latency of the Linux kernel

2003-06-24 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-25 Severity: wishlist * Package name: kernel-patch-2.4-low-latency Upstream Author : Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/schedlat.html * License : GPL Description : Reduces

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:59:19PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: It's not quite a substitute, as it won't reuse autoconf's configs etc. How about A tool for configuring software source similar to GNU Autoconf? I see your point, but your suggestion is still too long: it should be rephrased to

Old bugs related to translated debconf templates

2003-06-24 Thread Denis Barbier
Hi, Here is a list of bugs older than a year; most of them are related to translated debconf templates, so fixing them is trivial and I might NMU some of these packages soon. #BRDate Package Maintainer 103324 (03 Jul 2001) diald Jeff Licquia 106150 (21 Jul 2001)

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:59:19PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: It's not quite a substitute, as it won't reuse autoconf's configs etc. How about A tool for configuring software source similar to GNU Autoconf? Sorry for my previous reply to this message, your suggestion is definitely good.

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Jim Penny
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:59:19PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:52:20PM -0500, Steve Langasek scribbled: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:44:17PM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:30:31PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:

Re: [mass bug filing?] Short descriptions being used as long descriptions and other policy violations

2003-06-24 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:25:03PM -0700, Neil Spring [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: dpkg-souce(1) implies that substitution variables are limited to a single line (which seems poorly suited to long descriptions). Then as long as the shared part is a single paragraph you should be

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 04:15:29PM -0500, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Not all of it, but you can't object to duplicating a single sentence saying what it is. When the sentence in question is the one that goes in the short description, and already fills the available

kernel 2.5.73+, fakeroot, debuild - a small problem

2003-06-24 Thread Marek Habersack
Hey list, Running debuild as normal user under the 2.5.73+ kernel results in fakeroot actually setting the file ownership to root (or any other uid/gid for that matter). The result is that the parts which don't run under fakeroot - e.g. debian/rules won't be able to write to the

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Marek Habersack
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 05:14:56PM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis scribbled: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:59:19PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: It's not quite a substitute, as it won't reuse autoconf's configs etc. How about A tool for configuring software source similar to GNU

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:59:19PM +0200, Marek Habersack [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:52:20PM -0500, Steve Langasek scribbled: Try an alternative to GNU autoconf or a substitute for GNU autoconf, to avoid confusion with Debian's alternatives system. It's

Re: Bug#198665: ITP: pmk -- The pmk project aims to be an alternative to GNU/autoconf (configure scripts).

2003-06-24 Thread Marek Habersack
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 06:21:18PM -0400, Jim Penny scribbled: [snip] Description field is inappropriate, use something like: Description: A GNU/autoconf alternative. Try an alternative to GNU autoconf or a substitute for GNU autoconf, to avoid confusion with Debian's

Re: Developer Accessible Hurd Machine

2003-06-24 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:30:26PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote: I think such a machine would be valuable to increase the quality of the Hurd port overall. Maybe. But also keep in mind that porting to GNU/Hurd is a bit more complicated than porting to just another Linux architecture, because of

Re: EPSON appreciates your feedback by June 30, '03 - Debian

2003-06-24 Thread Farideh Sherbaf
Dear Julien, Thank you for responding to my email. We understand the existing issues which you have explained below and to make this more clear is that EPSON Kowa handles the License agreement. We have nothing to do with the licensing agreement for the Image Scan! for Linux. We're sure that

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 04:15:29PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 10:41:59PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 07:17:58PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: the worst culprits are usually sets of binary packages from the one source file which

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Brian May
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 08:19:35AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: You could start by telling us what maildirmake is supposed to do. Why do we need it? Any program I know of which can handle Maildir is not only capable of storing messages in Maildir folders but also of generating them. This

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:15:42AM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: On Tuesday 24 June 2003 10:59 am, Emile van Bergen wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:44:51AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Tell me when you upload this, so I can file an rc bug against it, for modifying other packages

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Dan Jacobson
avg. bytes per description lines 66321.8 A Is that just a meaningless number, or is there actually a correlation A between package size and description length? Somebody with statistics experience might go further and see if little packages have big descriptions and visa versa etc. Anyway, one

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 07:07:46AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: Anyway, one liner snob descriptions just have to go. $ apt-cache show emacs21 Description: The GNU Emacs editor GNU Emacs is the extensible self-documenting text editor. Oops, I see, it is self-documenting. that's actually a

Re: maildirmake

2003-06-24 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: My logic was that, from the basic system, Maildir mailboxes are no use. Can I have a bit of the weed you are smoking? Seems to be good. They're pine needles. I really do need to get off them, they're keeping my brain in the 70's...

Re: kernel 2.5.73+, fakeroot, debuild - a small problem

2003-06-24 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 18:34, Marek Habersack wrote: 5. Influence the XFS/kernel maintainers to change the default value of restrict_chown to enabled. I think they really should do this. Having people be able to give away files is something that you usually *don't* want by default.

Re: Packages: an average 66321 bytes per line of description

2003-06-24 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Dan Jacobson may or may not have written... I was hoping that maintainers of multi-megabyte packages would do the package justice by giving an adequate description. I have here a 20K package. Should it have a 1/3-line description? ;-) -- | Darren Salt | nr. Ashington, |

Re: kernel 2.5.73+, fakeroot, debuild - a small problem

2003-06-24 Thread Marek Habersack
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:17:36PM -0400, Colin Walters scribbled: On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 18:34, Marek Habersack wrote: 5. Influence the XFS/kernel maintainers to change the default value of restrict_chown to enabled. I think they really should do this. Having people be able to

Re: Please don't misuse the debian/changelog to close bugs!

2003-06-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Gerfried Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During some of the discussions lately on debian-devel another usage of the changelog has risen interest: * New upstream release (closes: #123, #124, #125) This has also raised some discussions. The thing is this: If #123, #124 and #125 aren't just

Re: kernel 2.5.73+, fakeroot, debuild - a small problem

2003-06-24 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Marek Habersack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. Modify fakeroot to check the kernel version, the type of fs on which it is currently working and have it issue a sysctl to enable restricted_chown. It looks better than #1 but it might incurr Er, is this even possible as an ordinary

Bug#198706: ITP: libebml -- Extensible Binary Meta Language access library

2003-06-24 Thread Sam Hocevar
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-06-25 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libebml Version : CVS Upstream Author : Steve Lhomme [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.matroska.org/ * License : dual GPL/QPL Description : Extensible Binary

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