Release-critical Bugreport for December 5, 2003

2003-12-05 Thread BugScan reporter
Bug stamp-out list for Dec 5 06:02 (CST) Total number of release-critical bugs: 691 Number that will disappear after removing packages marked [REMOVE]: 44 Number that have a patch: 117 Number that have a fix prepared and waiting to upload: 36 Number that are being ignored: 18 Number on packages

string freeze per il debian-installer

2003-12-05 Thread Giuseppe Sacco
Scusato il (breve) cross post, ma vorrei comunicarvi che è prevista una settimana di 'string freeze' per l'uscita della nuova beta dell'installatore debian. Maggiori info negli archivi di debia-boot. Ciao, Giuseppe

Re: Comment faire tester un package ?

2003-12-05 Thread cedric
Clément Stenac wrote: mentors.debian.net Effectivement, c'est tout à fait ce que je cherchais. Merci !

Unsere Reisen 2004.

2003-12-05 Thread
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Re: Backporting 2.4.23 kernel packages

2003-12-05 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:41, Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I was wondering how to go about taking the source package for 2.4.23-686 (and the SMP version) and backport them to stable? Why not just use a machine running unstable to do the compile? I use unstable machines to compile

Re: Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:36:37AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: | Right, that's what I just described (later on). The thread had | previously been about people wanting to throw away the Debian menu | system and replace it with the .desktop one, or worse, have both | coexist. If we can convert

Re: Backporting 2.4.23 kernel packages

2003-12-05 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:59:40PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:41, Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I was wondering how to go about taking the source package for 2.4.23-686 (and the SMP version) and backport them to stable? Why not just use a machine

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread cobaco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-12-04 10:41, Andreas Tille wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: Can you say who the flavors people, the metadistros people and the subproject people were? I'd like to make contact with all of these to get more details

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread cobaco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-12-03 21:58, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote: hm, I've added a definition to the wiki: A Custom Debian Distribution (CDD) is a version of Debian that is tailored I do not like the term version. I'd prefer a

Re: debian pxe dhcp netinstall (debconf enterprise fai etc.)

2003-12-05 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:37:49PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: I did what you are trying to do using systemimager, cvs, and cvsup. ... There are a few rough spots (mostly in that I don't have a fully automatic way to restart daemons that have been updated in the golden client, so I have to

Re: recovery status update

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Kurz
Hi James, first let me thank you for your good work so far on the recovery of the debian machines. I just wanted to add one note: On [05/12/03 1:51], James Troup wrote: Use the anonymous upload queue on ftp-master. I believe you want to use something like dupload --to anonymous-ftp-master

Re: debian pxe dhcp netinstall (debconf enterprise fai etc.)

2003-12-05 Thread Mark Ferlatte
Chad Walstrom said on Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:17:55AM -0600: I did what you are trying to do using systemimager, cvs, and cvsup. ... There are a few rough spots (mostly in that I don't have a fully automatic way to restart daemons that have been updated in the golden client, so I have to

Re: Building a distribution from source?

2003-12-05 Thread Javier Fernndez-Sanguino Pea
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:45:37PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:18, Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:10:44PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: Are you using any extra patches to GCC? Or just a GCC built with the propolice option? Yes I

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Billy Biggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Greenland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On 04-Dec-03, 14:44 (CST), Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's now a standard used by KDE and GNOME which has more features than the Debian menu system. And missing one key one: working with menu

Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Tore Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Marc Haber The source package holds infrastructure for three possibilities: - A script is included that splits out -config source from the source package, allowing the debconf stuff to be modified independently - A script is included that

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote: There are no changes to Debian, because CDDs reside completely in main / testing /unstable as any other package. _ideally_ there are no changes. In practice there will be. For instance: In skolelinux there's currently a package called

Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Tore Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Marc Haber Splitting up the config file in small files was necessary to do debconf support, which is a Debian requirement. Debconf support is now required? I'm flabbergasted. Could you please point me to this section of our policy? I certainly

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - packages

2003-12-05 Thread Chris Halls
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 20:18, John Goerzen wrote: Debian Enterprise will have to support 64-bit platforms, which OpenOffice doesn't. ..yet. That will be fixed by 2.0 at the latest. Help is appreciated. Chris

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031204 22:25]: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:58:38PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:41:43PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: What kind of real world attacks do signed debs prevent? The only one which comes to mind is a rogue

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote: hm, here are the names I can remember: Petter , me, (Kurt Gramlich, Maximillian Wilhelm, Frank Matthieß - not on devel as far as I know) from Skolelinux Mako, Enrico who organized the meeting David Martinez (I think), and one or two others from

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:36:16 +0100, Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: Before we make such a push, we should at least ensure that it is something we really want to do. I think locally generated checksums are a better solution. To me, the main use of md5sums

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security

2003-12-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:52:21 -0800, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 11:43:21AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Snippy, aren't we? Usually it is better to have basic logic straight before you try for a mistaken sense of haughtiness. My logic is correct; apparently my

Re: OT: Smartcards and Physical Security

2003-12-05 Thread Tom
Let me start by saying I basically understand your last point: it's not worth it because it won't work. On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:01:42AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: who follow secire processes. Blowing 40k collectively is unlikely to buy us much security. Like I said, it may be that it

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:18:46 -0600, Chad Walstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:49:45PM -0200, Felipe Almeida Lessa wrote: I think only one thing is blocking the whole idea of moving from Debian Menu style to freedesktop.org style: the work that need to be done. In other

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:44:56 -0500, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Frankly, I'm not clear why there's opposition to adopting the freedesktop draft specifications in Debian. I use neither gnome nor KDE. My window manager of choice shows me the Debian entries in the menu. The

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:41:43 -0500, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:28:41PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:47:50 -0500, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What kind of real world attacks do signed debs prevent? Not a compromised

Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-05 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tore Anderson * Andreas Metzler Would you and Andreas seriously consider modifying the Exim packages to the layout I suggested in my former post? If so, I would be happy to spend some time developing a patch for this purpose. Apologies for this misattribution, I was of

Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-05 Thread Tore Anderson
* Andreas Metzler Would you and Andreas seriously consider modifying the Exim packages to the layout I suggested in my former post? If so, I would be happy to spend some time developing a patch for this purpose. * Andreas Metzler No, I am sorry (and thanks for the offer). You

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Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread cobaco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-12-05 11:16, Andreas Tille wrote: their fine work. I really love what they do and SkoleLinux is one of the most impressive derivatives of Debian, but it just does not (yet) fall under our definition.] huh ?! How do you figure that?

adopting/kidnapping plucker, any objection?

2003-12-05 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
Hi, The package plucker has 2 RC bugs. The lastest upload is dated 1 Dec 2002 (one year ago!). The package was orphaned (#160472, 11 Sep 2002) and adopted by Pablo S. Torralba. Pablo S. Torralba was/is not yet a DD and the last upload was sponsored by Amaya Rodrigo Sastre. The two RC bugs are

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Mathieu Roy
Zenaan Harkness [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 05:49, Felipe Almeida Lessa wrote: On Thursday 04 December 2003 13:19, Andrew Suffield wrote: The other question is how hard could it be to adapt menu to desktop files ?. I think only one thing is blocking the whole idea of

Re: Building a distribution from source?

2003-12-05 Thread Steve Kemp
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:42:28PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: That's what the debian-cd package is for. Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for :) Steve -- Will code for food.

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Mathieu Roy
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As for me, I'm happy to provide either my current menu files, which are supported by all of the DE/WM systems in Debian, *or* .desktop files, *when* they are supported by all (or at least most) the DE/WM systems in Debian. If everybody waits the

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread cobaco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-12-05 11:06, Andreas Tille wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote: There are no changes to Debian, because CDDs reside completely in main / testing /unstable as any other package. _ideally_ there are no changes. In practice there

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Mathieu Roy
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] I don't think that this is the case. As I understand it, .desktop files have the advantage that they are already shipped by a number of upstream packages, support i18n better than Debian menus, are supported natively by KDE and Gnome, include

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - flavors

2003-12-05 Thread Joerg Wendland
Fabian Fagerholm, on 2003-12-04, 20:47, you wrote: The way Debian Enterprise has been described, it would provide you with this option. But you may also want to move apt-get install samba and the related session of tweaking samba's options to suit your network, to the install phase. Imagine

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote: On 2003-12-05 11:16, Andreas Tille wrote: their fine work. I really love what they do and SkoleLinux is one of the most impressive derivatives of Debian, but it just does not (yet) fall under our definition.] huh ?! How do you figure that? Please read

Re: [custom] Debian Enterprise - flavors

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Joerg Wendland wrote: Sure, but configuration of the samba package should be the responsibility of this package. What the Debian Enterprise project should do is to work with the samba maintainer to achieve this and maybe provide some sort of special configuration package.

Re: recovery status update

2003-12-05 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
James Troup wrote: As part of the recovery process, db.debian.org has migrated, both to a new host (because the old box was on it's last legs and HP kindly donated a shiny new one to replace it), and to a newer version of LDAP (because it was still using potato's OpenLDAP). Which exact

Re: Backporting 2.4.23 kernel packages

2003-12-05 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:30, Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:59:40PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:41, Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I was wondering how to go about taking the source package for 2.4.23-686 (and the SMP

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Mathieu Roy
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Billy Biggs wrote: So far there has been a lot of support for the .desktop standard effort. Which systems do you refer to that are not supporting, adopting, or intending to adopt the .desktop standard? Some or all of: twm, pdmenu, blackbox, afterstep,

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Mathieu Roy
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:34:22AM +0100, Raphael Goulais wrote: On Wednesday 03 December 2003 21:31, Zenaan Harkness wrote: I agree. I would like to see .desktop standard adopted. There have been a few threads I have seen so far, and there seems to

Re: adopting/kidnapping plucker, any objection?

2003-12-05 Thread Amaya
Ludovic Rousseau dijo: Why not. It may be a good solution. IMHO, Co-m rules :-) I will upload my NMU to correct the two RC bugs in DELAYED/7-day as explained in [1]. So he has enough/some time to fix the bugs himself and upload a new version. I will make sure he does ;-) -- .''`.A

Re: adopting/kidnapping plucker, any objection?

2003-12-05 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
Le vendredi 05 décembre 2003 à 12:38:10, Amaya a écrit: I was out to the movies with him yesterday, he is not MIA or anything. We even talked about plucker's state. He is in the proccess of fixing the bugs. Good news. Comanteinance may be an option? Why not. It may be a good solution. I

Re: Backporting 2.4.23 kernel packages

2003-12-05 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:30, Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:59:40PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:41, Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I was wondering how to

Re: Backporting 2.4.23 kernel packages

2003-12-05 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:32, Miquel van Smoorenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, last week I compiled a 2.4.23 kernel on my unstable desktop, created a kernel-image package with make-kpgp, and it didn't install on a plain woody machine. The depmod part failed. On the 'stable' machine, I updated

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution

2003-12-05 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 21:16, Andreas Tille wrote: [BTW, declaring that SkoleLinux as no CDD ... is one of the most impressive derivatives of Debian, but it just does not (yet) fall under our definition.] So we have: Debian, parent project parent GNU/Linux Distribution | +--

Re: adopting/kidnapping plucker, any objection?

2003-12-05 Thread Amaya
Ludovic Rousseau dijo: The two RC bugs are very easy to fix but nothing was done. I plan to do an NMU to correct these two RC bugs so that plucker can be released in sarge. I am not the one to decide, but go ahead. I also plan to adopt plucker and package a new upstream version (Debian

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Felipe Almeida Lessa
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:08:41 -0600, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:18:46 -0600, Chad Walstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:49:45PM -0200, Felipe Almeida Lessa wrote: I think only one thing is blocking the whole idea of moving

Re: Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:17:08PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: | Thing is, none of this matters. If upstream support .desktop files, | then we just run them through the script that converts them to Debian | menu entries while installing. dh_installmenu would be a good place to | do this. | |

Re: Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 03:02:42PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: | Yeah, inverted the sense, you get the idea. We need both tools, at | which point there's no longer a reason not to just continue using the | existing Debian menu system. Except that AFAIK .desktops are still semantically

Question about contents of local release files

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, I have a local package pool which contains backports to woody. To be able to do package pinning, I have Release files containing the following: Archive: woody Component: main|contrib|non-free Architectures: i386 Origin: mysite Label: mysite/woody Description: foobar my sources.list lines

Re: Backporting 2.4.23 kernel packages

2003-12-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Andrew Pollock [Fri, Dec 05 2003, 03:41:14PM]: Is it as simple as taking the source package and building it in a stable pbuilder chroot, or is there more black magic involved with kernel packages? AFAIK you need at least updated modutils and procps. And you should use the

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:03:39AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Signed debs establish a trust chain from the buildd to the user and from the buildd-admin/maintainer to the user as well as copy the existing trust chain from ftp-master to the

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:07:53AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I wrote a little script that checks what apt things its installing against what the control files of the debs say. I will test it with some more fakes and then file it in the

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031204 15:05]: I also think it is hardly possible to regenerate the .md5sums file in a way the signature will be kept. It would need to never change which files are included and how they are sorted. It

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 04 Dec 2003 02:44:31 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031203 20:12]: Before we make such a push, we should at least ensure that it is

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Javier =?iso-8859-15?Q?Fern=E1ndez-Sanguino_Pe=F1a?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Manoj, I'm going to concentrate on this example, it's probably a corner case and I'm probably digressing here ... oh well] On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 11:17:46AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Finally, there's

Re: Building a distribution from source?

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:10:44PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:39, Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ? I've been experimenting with producing a hardened Debian derivitive ?as a small piece of paid work. ?This mostly means

Re: kernel-patch-acl

2003-12-05 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:58:27PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: Much of this patch is scheduled to be included in 2.4.24, so the work required Who claims that?

Re: Backporting 2.4.23 kernel packages

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:59:40PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:41, Andrew Pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I was wondering how to go about taking the source package for 2.4.23-686 (and the SMP version) and backport them

Re: Building a distribution from source?

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wasn't going to post this, but it might be relevent to the ongoing custom distribution stuff that's happening. I've been experimenting with producing a hardened Debian derivitive as a small piece of paid work. This mostly means compiling

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Dec 3, 2003, at 21:07, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: You can just as well just check all the debs. gunzip doesn't take longer, the slowest thing usually is the cdrom. True, so I should probably just put the md5sums files on my CD, and check

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031204 18:00]: The md5sum file should be generated at build time, signed and only the signature kept. The signature is small enough not to cause bloat, it can be included in the Package file or a

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Felipe Almeida Lessa
Em Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:55:21 +0800, Cameron Patrick escreveu: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:17:08PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: | Thing is, none of this matters. If upstream support .desktop files, | then we just run them through the script that converts them to Debian | menu entries while

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Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote: hm, as far as I know Debian-edu is nothing more then a couple of task-packages at this point (and some education packages that got added to the archive) I do not compare the quality of Debian-Edu or SkoleLinux - I just want to use the right term. Yes,

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Steve Greenland
On 05-Dec-03, 05:54 (CST), Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As for me, I'm happy to provide either my current menu files, which are supported by all of the DE/WM systems in Debian, *or* .desktop files, *when* they are supported by all (or at

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 03:20:45AM -0600, cobaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _ideally_ there are no changes. In practice there will be. Why? For instance: In skolelinux there's currently a package called locale-config-skolelinux which sets up de default locale for all users. This package is not

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: I will personally move forward with this as soon as I get access to CVS. Thanks. This would be much appreciated. Andreas, perhaps you missed this message:

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Javier Fernndez-Sanguino Pea
(no need to CC: me as I'm subscribe) Why do we have to make each of our users find a solution to generate this from a _local_ mirror (or the system's .deb archive which shoulnd't be trusted in the event of an intrusion) when we could do this ourselves and provide the results? Thats why

Re: Building a distribution from source?

2003-12-05 Thread Steve Kemp
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:20:19AM +0100, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: I believe that our GCC packages already have propolice patched in but not enabled. Therefore it should be a much easier change to make for it to be included. This is true, debian/patches has a line for

Re: debian pxe dhcp netinstall (debconf enterprise fai etc.)

2003-12-05 Thread Paul Telford
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: I was intrigued by Progeny's autoinstall Python script, but never had a chance to look into it further. Progeny no longer maintains autoinstall, but I have picked it up and continue to use, maintain, and enhance it. If you haven't looked at it in a

Re: debian pxe dhcp netinstall (debconf enterprise fai etc.)

2003-12-05 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:13:57AM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: FAI is good, but it doesn't handle updating the systems once you have them installed. You're absolutely right. The cfengine scripts are also slightly difficult to re-use after the initial installation. A good cfengine setup is

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:24:07AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Release signing protects against a hostile or compromised mirror, network, DNS server, proxy server, and a host of other, similar attacks, and also prevents most forms of the

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread Tom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:36:20AM -0400, Ben Armstrong wrote: Then that discussion needs to be resolved so that a solution can be made that is in Debian main. It's useful to try to clarify the terms so people can speak the same language, but as soon as you categorize anything somebody's

Re: The term Custom Debian Distribution (Was Re: [custom] The term flavor and encouraging work on Debian)

2003-12-05 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:23:52AM -0600, cobaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2003-12-05 11:06, Andreas Tille wrote: Well, at least for my understanding SkoleLinux is not a Custom Debian Distribution exactly because they have packages which are not integrated in Debian. This is no problem

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Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: The one that gets installed later, Pre-Deps the one that gets installed earlier. exim4-daemon Pre-Depends: exim4-config; exim4-config Depends: exim4-base, probably. Unfortunately, that doesn't work. apt immediately

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031205 16:11]: With replaced files being kept you can recalculate correct md5sum lists for A and B at any time in any combination of installed packages. But even if it fails due to some bug you will only get a false negative. Then you download the debs

Re: exim4-config and exim4-base installed on systems with non-exim-MTA

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:24:28 +0100, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: Maybe an easy way of answering that is to instead answer this: why can't you just make the -config package a bunch of files and a script that

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:08:41AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: ... It only stands to reason that if both the KDE and Gnome desktop camps wish to formalize on the format that we should adopt it as well, if only as an extension of our menu system. We would have to generate .desktop files

Re: debian pxe dhcp netinstall (debconf enterprise fai etc.)

2003-12-05 Thread Mark Ferlatte
Chad Walstrom said on Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:05:15AM -0600: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:13:57AM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: FAI is good, but it doesn't handle updating the systems once you have them installed. You're absolutely right. The cfengine scripts are also slightly difficult to

Re: Building a distribution from source?

2003-12-05 Thread Jakob Lell
Hello, maybe Adamantix is what you are wanting to do. It is based on Debian woody and uses kernel and gcc patches to improve security. At the moment you need to install a normal Debian woody and then upgrade. However, you might create installation CDs yourselve. For more information about

Re: adopting/kidnapping plucker, any objection?

2003-12-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:44:40PM +0100, Ludovic Rousseau wrote: Le vendredi 05 décembre 2003 à 12:38:10, Amaya a écrit: I was out to the movies with him yesterday, he is not MIA or anything. We even talked about plucker's state. He is in the proccess of fixing the bugs. [...] I will

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 04:54, Manoj Srivastava wrote: The only one which comes to mind is a rogue Debian developer that you do not wish to trust, even though the project trusts him. Not quite. The signed deb is non-repudiable authorship -- nice to know whence the software cometh.

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 19:06, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Actually, I think the biggest benefit of md5sums is that while attackers certainly could modify them, often they don't. While passing debsums certainly can't prove the integrity of a system, debsums failing can certainly prove the

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 11:11, Manoj Srivastava wrote: That is but one optimization: we already are suffering from archive bloat, what about the disk and bandwidth cost of carrying around the sigs? And since one rarely needs the md5sums anyway, what is so wrong with checking against

Re: debsums for maintainer scripts

2003-12-05 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 20:46, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Because without preventing tampering (even accidental) of the md5sums file its quite useless. I want to check if anything on my system was corrupted after a recent bout of fun with fsck. The md5sums are quite useful for that.

Re: Building a distribution from source?

2003-12-05 Thread Steve Kemp
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:37:47PM +0100, Jakob Lell wrote: maybe Adamantix is what you are wanting to do. It is based on Debian woody and uses kernel and gcc patches to improve security. At the moment you need to install a normal Debian woody and then upgrade. However, you might create

Re: xdm: init script's execution can be terminated prematurely if invoke-rc.d run from child process of xdm

2003-12-05 Thread Dan Jacobson
Maybe remove the pid file before killing, not after? If it resists our best attempts at killing. including -9, that would be a different bug, and leaving a pid file would be useless anyway? Just a guess.

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Joey Hess
Mathieu Roy wrote: If it is just a matter of time, the transition can be done step by step: the first step is just to say that this transition should be done. It doesn't need to be done in two days, does it? If new packages start directly with .desktop and others packages move to .desktop

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Joey Hess
Mathieu Roy wrote: So far there has been a lot of support for the .desktop standard effort. Which systems do you refer to that are not supporting, adopting, or intending to adopt the .desktop standard? Some or all of: twm, pdmenu, blackbox, afterstep, fluxbox, gtk-menu, wmaker,

Re: Revival of the signed debs discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:24:07AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Release signing protects against a hostile or compromised mirror, network, DNS server, proxy server, and a host of other, similar

master program in germany

2003-12-05 Thread sami gulbay
: : Hi, : : I am studying food engineering at Gaziantep university in Turkey. .I will graduate next year and I am interested in continuing my education(master)in Germany.Please send me the required information for doing master there and fees of that and all information regarding

Re: Building Debian Completely From Source

2003-12-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:53:11PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: The nearest I have seen is fink, but I know little about it. Am I missing something? apt-src, apparently. -- - mdz

uploading problems and massive email floods

2003-12-05 Thread Ben Pfaff
Following the suggestion in the recent message to debian-devel-announce, I tried using dupload to upload to the anonymous queue. Soon I got back this message: -- Subject: Processing of autoconf_2.58-9_i386.changes PGP/GnuPG

Building Debian Completely From Source

2003-12-05 Thread John Goerzen
Hello, For various reasons [1], I am interested in building Debian from source -- and continuing to do so for upgrades and newly-installed packages. What I'm after is basically something where I can say: apt-foo install kde The system will then: 1. Look at kde and build/install any of its

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mathieu Roy wrote: It doesn't need to be done in two days, does it? If new packages start directly with .desktop and others packages move to .desktop in the next year, it does not seems to be an awful load of extra work. If that happened then we

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