Re: Help needed with debconf

2004-12-15 Thread Andreas Metzler
Arne Götje [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need some help with debconf, especially for the config and postinst scripts. I tried to craft my own ones for my font package and when I try to install the package the postinst script exits with status 10. What does this mean? Further more, the dialog

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-15 Thread Martin Waitz
hoi :) On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 01:45:01PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: And why it should be different if that firmware is distributed by the manufacturer on a CD instead of a flash EPROM chip? Because in that case the manufacturer is hurting the user by not providing source, and we

Re: Help needed with debconf

2004-12-15 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 01:34:40PM +0800, Arne Götje (?) wrote: Further more, the dialog I have created in config gets never displayed to the user... :( I have attached the config, templates and postinst files. You didn't attached your rules file and I suppose that there is a

Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-15 Thread Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
What would you gain by having the firmware source. Please don't tell me that you want to fix bugs there. The firmware is part of the hardware and we don't ask the vendors to give away their .vhdl files of the hardware. Both firmware and hardware source are useless as they usually need

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dpkg-checkbuilddeps ready for first impressions and future development

2004-12-15 Thread Raphael Bossek
Packages: dpkg-cross Version: 1.20.4 (CVS) Severity: wishlist Hi Nikita, here is my proposal for dpkg-checkbuilddeps implementation. Some words on the implementation. Package names are converted depending on their Section they belongs to. Sections libs and libsdevel are converted by default.

Re: dpkg-checkbuilddeps ready for first impressions and future development

2004-12-15 Thread Raphael Bossek
You forgot patch itself :) Every time I say, do not forget to attach the file, the file do not forget to do it but... }8| -- Raphael Bossek diff --exclude=CVS -Nru dpkg-cross.cvs/ChangeLog dpkg-cross-1.20.4.checkbuilddeps.1/ChangeLog --- dpkg-cross.cvs/ChangeLog2004-12-03 22:42:55.0

Re: dselect survey

2004-12-15 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:20:09AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: The other problem with aptitude is touted as a design feature: it tends to be all-or-nothing. Either you use it always or you don't (automatic removal thingie). This becomes a problem when multiple persons use

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 06:16:03AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: That wasn't my question. My question was, why should any ISV care if their product has been LSB-*certified*? ISVs can test against, and advertise support for, whatever they want to without getting the LSB's imprimatur. I cannot

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 04:04:22PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: It seems to me than one of the main value of Debian is in the quality of its core distribution. One of the reason of the quality is that it is not developed for itself but as a platform for the 10^4+ packages and the 10+

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 12:22:13PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: I don't think Debian should try to adopt an extensive, externally specified ABI. For a few core packges, this may make some sense, but not for most libraries. Lcc is also about those few core packages. Instead, proprietary

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Michael Meskes
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:44:05AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: In fact I'm using Debian exactly because it doesn't try to apeal ISVs, IHVs, OEMs and other business-driven three-letter acronyms. As soon as you ty to please them quality of implementation goes down. Why? It took me some

Re: dselect survey

2004-12-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op wo, 15-12-2004 te 05:57 -0600, schreef Marcelo E. Magallon: On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:20:09AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: The other problem with aptitude is touted as a design feature: it tends to be all-or-nothing. Either you use it always or you don't (automatic removal

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 10:01:59AM -0500, Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote: It would be nice if you included your name in your posts. On 14 Dec 2004 09:03:20 -0500, Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hardware design has very different and higher third-party costs than software design, and

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-15 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:32:39 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 10:01:59AM -0500, Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote: It would be nice if you included your name in your posts. Lordy. :-) It *is* in my posts. See below here ... -- WC -Sx- Jones

transition of htop

2004-12-15 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
Hello. Could someone take a look at htop transition? http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?excuse=htop http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=htop Both pages say that my package hasn't been built on m68k yet, but that's not truth. It has been built on 30th of November:

Re: transition of htop

2004-12-15 Thread Andreas Metzler
Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone take a look at htop transition? http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?excuse=htop http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=htop Both pages say that my package hasn't been built on m68k yet, but that's not truth. It has

Re: transition of htop

2004-12-15 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 01:20:03PM +, Andreas Metzler wrote: Could someone take a look at htop transition? http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?excuse=htop http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=htop Both pages say that my package hasn't been built on m68k yet, but that's

Re: dselect survey

2004-12-15 Thread Simon Richter
Package: aptitude Severity: wishlist Hi, [aptitude not properly handling packages installed by other tools] ACK. I very much prefer the way debfoster handles this: if there are new, unknown packages on the system, it will ask, rather than assume, whether a package is wanted or not. And will only

Bug#285773: ITP: smartpm -- A alternative package manager that works with dpkg/rpm

2004-12-15 Thread Michael Vogt
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2004-12-15 Severity: wishlist * Package name: smartpm Version : 0.28 Upstream Author : Gustavo Niemeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://linux-br.conectiva.com.br/~niemeyer/smart/files/ * License : GPL Description : A

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:53:54AM -0500, Ian Murdock wrote: What about the LCC's scope isn't clear? Er, the fact that no actual scope has been stated? What does core mean? What packages (libraries) are included in this core? Core means implemention of LSB, and the packages/libraries

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 12:51:21PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 04:04:22PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: It seems to me than one of the main value of Debian is in the quality of its core distribution. One of the reason of the quality is that it is not developed for

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Joey Hess
Ian Murdock wrote: Because the LSB bases its certification process on a standard ABI/API specification alone, and this approach simply hasn't worked. Surely you're simplifying here? (See LSB-Core 2.0.1, chapters 3, 4, 5.) -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: transition of htop

2004-12-15 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
http://buildd.debian.org/ How accurate is the information on buildd? I wonder because I am using more recent versions than a few of those reported (at least those I checked - like gcc) http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=sparcpkg=gcc ??? -- WC -Sx- Jones http://insecurity.org/

Re: transition of htop

2004-12-15 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Chasecreek Systemhouse [Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:55:53 -0500]: http://buildd.debian.org/ How accurate is the information on buildd? I wonder because I am using more recent versions than a few of those reported (at least those I checked - like gcc)

Re: transition of htop

2004-12-15 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:00:02 +0100, Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in buildd.d.o, you should specify a source package. try gcc-defaults, and gcc-3.3. it seems that the 'gcc' source package existed for a very short timeframe (?). Yes, you are right. I forgot. Or, better yet, an

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-15 Thread Brendan
On Monday 13 December 2004 21:24, Andrew Suffield wrote: What does that have to do with hardware, please? I mean, it's a lovely statement and all, but it's wrong. Right back at you. Smarmy, but useless. Ok, I have figured out that you have nothing useful to say. Thank you. And from

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-15 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:27:45AM -0600, Kenneth Pronovici wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hamish said, Manufacturing an ASIC involves NRE...of hundreds of thousands to millions per revision... Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You said, Manufacturing an operating system involves NRE

installing a source tree?

2004-12-15 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
Installing a source tree? (But NOT a CVS tree.) OK, this is probably somewhat retarded -- because I cannot figure it out and it very likely is simple and I am missing something basic: I would like to install a software package that requires the PostgresSQL development and source code tree -- so

Re: installing a source tree?

2004-12-15 Thread Steve Kemp
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 12:01:24PM -0500, Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote: So, I humbly request suggestions or hints as to a direction I can follow to be able to get the source cod and development tree (READ Not CVS Tree) of say package PostgresSQL. I have tried variations of - apt-get

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-15 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 05:00:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:27:45AM -0600, Kenneth Pronovici wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hamish said, Manufacturing an ASIC involves NRE...of hundreds of thousands to millions per revision... Message-ID: [EMAIL

Re: installing a source tree?

2004-12-15 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:13:10 +, Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'postgresql-dev'. What's the name of the software you're trying to build? I'm creating/documenting a quick Debian_Hints file at: http://insecurity.org/ll3i11_j0n35/Debian_Hints Have you read many of the

Re: installing a source tree?

2004-12-15 Thread Frank Küster
Chasecreek Systemhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I have tried variations of - apt-get install postgresql-source as well as variations of - apt-get build-dep [package] apt-get source --compile [package] What about apt-get source postgresql? Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-15 Thread Steve McIntyre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 05:00:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Ah, you misinterpreted my point in quite an impressive way. Valid numbers or not, his statement was of the form Here is how we do it, and our way is the only way in which it is possible to do it. And

Re: installing a source tree?

2004-12-15 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:35:40 +0100, Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about apt-get source postgresql? Yes I did, but that doesn't place/install it into the proper places -- what(where)ever they may be. I could have just as easily download the source from postgressql website and

Re: installing a source tree?

2004-12-15 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote: Its a Accounting/Ledger system from http://www.sql-ledger.org/ -- apt-get install sql-ledger

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Florian Weimer
* Michael Meskes: Instead, proprietary software vendors should ship all libraries in the versions they need, or link their software statically. I wouldn't From a technical standpoint this may make sense, but not from the commercial standpoint ISVs have to take. Building your own environment

Re: installing a source tree?

2004-12-15 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:55:53 +0100, Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apt-get install sql-ledger Um, that didn't work last night and I cannot find what command I used when grep'ing history either ... Yep, thats my story. OK, Im going back to my cave -- sorry for the noise. (Thanks

Re: installing a source tree?

2004-12-15 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 12:24:15PM -0500, Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:13:10 +, Steve Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'postgresql-dev'. What's the name of the software you're trying to build? I'm creating/documenting a quick Debian_Hints file at:

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Chasecreek Systemhouse
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:59:05 +0100, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LCC could concentrate on providing such a distribution-independent execution environment, and perform the necessary integration tests for commercially relevant distributions. Just an idea. I think this is far more

Re: If you really want Free firmware...

2004-12-15 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 05:40:30PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 05:00:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Ah, you misinterpreted my point in quite an impressive way. Valid numbers or not, his statement was of the form Here is how we do it,

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:51:21 +0100, Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 04:04:22PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: It seems to me than one of the main value of Debian is in the quality of its core distribution. One of the reason of the quality is that it is not

Re: transition of htop

2004-12-15 Thread Nico Golde
hi, * Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-15 18:05]: Could someone take a look at htop transition? http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?excuse=htop http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=htop Both pages say that my package hasn't been built on m68k yet, but that's

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce Perens
Manoj Srivastava wrote: I am not sure I am convinced that the benefits are worth outsourcing the core of our product -- and I think that most business shall tell you that is a bad idea. Well, please don't tell this to all of the people who we are attempting to get to use Linux as the core of

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:40:29 -0500, Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If you're having trouble picturing how Debian might engage the LCC, here's my ideal scenario: the source packages at the core of Debian are maintained in collaboration with the other LCC members, and the resulting

software raid question/confusion

2004-12-15 Thread David Dougall
I installed the mdadm package recently. version 1.3.0-2 I do not want the md devices to be started when I reboot the server. I cannot find the config file which specifies this. The only way I was able to stop this was to edit /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid. I can't even find what process is calling

Re: Bug#285768: dselect survey

2004-12-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 09:01 am, Simon Richter wrote: aptitude could be taught to have auto-installed being Yes,No or Unknown. Whenever a package that is in Unknown state could be removed if it were only installed as a dependency, aptitude should list them in the actions to be performed

Re: software raid question/confusion

2004-12-15 Thread Sam Morris
David Dougall wrote: I installed the mdadm package recently. version 1.3.0-2 I do not want the md devices to be started when I reboot the server. I cannot find the config file which specifies this. The only way I was able to stop this was to edit /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid. I can't even find what

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
Bruce Well, please don't tell this to all of the people who we are attempting to get to use Linux as the core of their products. core (software architecture) != core (customer value). Also, please make sure to tell the upstream maintainers that we aren't going to use their code any longer,

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:44:50 -0800, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: I am not sure I am convinced that the benefits are worth outsourcing the core of our product -- and I think that most business shall tell you that is a bad idea. Well, please don't tell this

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce Perens
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hmm. Does this not impede Debian in new directions we may like to take the distribution, like, say, making Debian be Se-Linux compatible, if we so choose? I think it means that Debian gets to be leader regarding the things it cares about. I doubt that the other

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:21:02 -0800, Michael K Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Bruce Well, please don't tell this to all of the people who we are attempting to get to use Linux as the core of their products. core (software architecture) != core (customer value). Also, please make sure to

Bug#285811: ITP: shtoom -- Cross platform VoIP softphone in python

2004-12-15 Thread thom
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: shtoom Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Anthony Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.divmod.org/Home/Projects/Shtoom/ * License : LGPL Description : Cross platform VoIP softphone in python Shtoom is

Bug#285816: ITP: styleclock -- KDE themable clock applet

2004-12-15 Thread Marcin Orlowski
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: styleclock Version : 0.5.1 Upstream Author : Fred Schttgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://fred.hexbox.de/styleclock/ * License : GPL Description : KDE themable clock applet Styleclock is a themeable

Bug#285814: ITP: libtom0 -- wraper library for using OpenGL from tcl

2004-12-15 Thread Wookey
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: libtom0 Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://perso.club-internet.fr/dropfred/index_en.html * License : GPL Description : wraper library for using OpenGL from tcl Tom is an

Re: Bug#285518: misdn-utils includes a firmware loader

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:21:54 +0100, Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, It's fine for software in main to be able to do stuff with non-free data; that's not the issue. The question is whether there *exists* any free data that it works with, and if not, whether that's a problem. I

Re: software raid question/confusion

2004-12-15 Thread Michal Politowski
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:00:44 +, Sam Morris wrote: David Dougall wrote: I installed the mdadm package recently. version 1.3.0-2 I do not want the md devices to be started when I reboot the server. I cannot find the config file which specifies this. The only way I was able to stop this

Naming for OSSP projects in Debian (libraries, dirs)

2004-12-15 Thread Raphael Bossek
URL: http://www.ossp.org Hi Dexter, I saw that you also ITP a OSSP (www.ossp.org) project for Debian: OSSP uuid. I intent to do the same for OSSP sa. I'm using the sa library successful for a small application so my intention is make it public for others who intent to do the same too. I've done

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:29:47 -0800, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Nobody is saying that you can't override the external stuff when necessary. Security would be a good reason to do so, if LCC is being tardy compared to Debian. Well, that does address my concern, thanks.

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce Perens
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hmm. I am not sure how to take this: either you are spoiling for a fight, or you do not take your duties as a developer very seriously. I was taking the implications of your statements farther than you intended, in order to get you to give them additional

Re: Bug#285768: dselect survey

2004-12-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 01:53:20PM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2004 09:01 am, Simon Richter wrote: aptitude could be taught to have auto-installed being Yes,No or Unknown. Whenever a package that is in Unknown state could be removed if it were only installed as a

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Tobias Burnus
Hello, Wichmann, Mats D wrote: My experience as a developer who's tried to write an app to use the LSB (only the init script interface) is that it's poorly enough specified and/or implemented divergently within the spec to the point that I had to test my implementation on every LSB distriution I

Re: Bug#285768: dselect survey

2004-12-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 03:37 pm, Wouter Verhelst wrote:   It seems like Unknown would just be a synonym for No, right? Uh, yes. I think. You may want to explain that a bit more. Well, from the bug report, it looks like the proposal is to maintain the current behavior, but to set a

Re: software raid question/confusion

2004-12-15 Thread David Dougall
That file does not appear to exist. I did find the links in /etc/rc0.d, rcS.d and rc6.d after the fact Why is it starting the raids in runlevel 0 and 6 anyway? That seems a little weird. Also, I have AUTOSTART=false in /etc/mdadm/debian.conf. But, the script jumps to the next else statement if

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 01:36:47PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:21:02 -0800, Michael K Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Bruce Well, please don't tell this to all of the people who we are attempting to get to use Linux as the core of their products. core

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:13:58 -0800, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 1. (*) text/plain ( ) text/html Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hmm. I am not sure how to take this: either you are spoiling for a fight, or you do not take your duties as a developer very seriously. I was taking the

Re: software raid question/confusion

2004-12-15 Thread Jose Luis Painceira
David Dougall wrote: That file does not appear to exist. I did find the links in /etc/rc0.d, rcS.d and rc6.d after the fact Why is it starting the raids in runlevel 0 and 6 anyway? That seems a little weird. [...] You seem to be using an old version of mdadm The current mdadm in woody is 0.7.2-2,

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:29:47AM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: Would outsourcing the core packages to third parties not make us less nimble (if I can use the word with a straight face)? Nobody is saying that you can't override the external stuff when necessary. Security would be a good

Re: Naming for OSSP projects in Debian (libraries, dirs)

2004-12-15 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 09:05:53PM +0100, Raphael Bossek wrote: OSSP work with you. The problem I see with OSSP are the too simple names e.g. libsa or libuuid. The header files are also installed by default in /usr/include. This will lead in problems for uuid more then for sa because Debian

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce Perens
Bill Allombert wrote: But overriding them means we lose the certification ? We can't allow it to be the case that overriding due to an existing and unremedied security issue causes loss of certification. There's no common sense in that. Thanks Bruce smime.p7s Description: S/MIME

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce Perens
Manoj Srivastava wrote: So it was inflammatory, then. Comes under spoiling for a fight. Only if you confuse Socrates and Sophism. So, which version of flex you think you want to ship? Fortunately, flex isn't in the problem space. If you stick to what version of libc, etc., it'll make

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 02:36:52PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: Bill Allombert wrote: But overriding them means we lose the certification ? We can't allow it to be the case that overriding due to an existing and unremedied security issue causes loss of certification. There's no common

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce Perens
Bill Allombert wrote: Then could you elaborate the scope of the certification ? It's still a matter for negotiation. If the certification won't admit to common-sense rules, it won't work for anyone - not just Debian. Thanks Bruce smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 15, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know of any other distribution that has taken the trouble to write down as much policy as Debian has? It's not clear that the others have anything to put against it. Bug for bug compatibility required by their customer looks like a good

Re: Bug#285518: misdn-utils includes a firmware loader

2004-12-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you need the non-free component to be on the file system, why is this different from contrib? Why can't say of everything in contrib that well, if the non-free jvm were to magically appear on the file system this java code would

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
Whoops, I guess that's what I get for trying to be concise for once. I'll try again. Bruce Well, please don't tell this [i. e., outsourcing your core is a bad idea] Bruce to all of the people who we are attempting to get to use Linux Bruce as the core of their products. me core (software

Re: Bug#285518: misdn-utils includes a firmware loader

2004-12-15 Thread Jonathan McDowell
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:33:30PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you need the non-free component to be on the file system, why is this different from contrib? Why can't say of everything in contrib that well, if the non-free jvm were

removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-15 Thread Nicolas Boullis
Hi folks, A package of mine installs an init script. But as the corresponding programs plays with the motherboard's chipset configuration, it is quite prone to break the system. So I chose not to install rc*.d symlinks by default. To make life easier for users, i explain in a README file how

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
Bruce Fortunately, flex isn't in the problem space. If you stick to what Bruce version of libc, etc., it'll make more sense. Flex isn't in the problem space if we're talking core ABIs. But it certainly is if we're talking core implementations, as binutils and modutils both depend on it. Or is

Dummy packages review for the Release Notes and possible mass bug filing

2004-12-15 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
[ Rob Bradford, you're in CC: since I don't know if you read d-d and just in case you miss this :-) ] I've been reviewing for the Release Notes the packages in sid that are provided for upgrade purposes only (since we did in the past for woody's [1]). The goal is to provide a list in the

Re: Bug#285768: dselect survey

2004-12-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 04:02:03PM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2004 03:37 pm, Wouter Verhelst wrote: ? It seems like Unknown would just be a synonym for No, right? Uh, yes. I think. You may want to explain that a bit more. Well, from the bug report, it

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Nicolas Boullis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A package of mine installs an init script. But as the corresponding programs plays with the motherboard's chipset configuration, it is quite prone to break the system. So I chose not to install rc*.d symlinks by default. A technique that I've used in

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce Perens
Michael K. Edwards wrote: binutils and modutils both depend on it. On flex? No. At least not in unstable. However, Debian seems to have addressed the issue by providing both versions of flex. I don't see what would prevent us from going on with that practice. Or is the LCC proposing to

Re: Bug#285768: dselect survey

2004-12-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 07:51 pm, Wouter Verhelst wrote: You may also want to set a flag on packages that are assumed to be automatically installed, but of which you have no information. aptitude never should assume that a package is automatically installed, unless it performs the

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-15 Thread Nicolas Boullis
Hi, On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 04:33:49PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: A technique that I've used in packages with this issue is to install the rc*.d symlinks by default, but also have the init script check a file in /etc/default to see whether or not to actually start at boot. If you install a

Re: Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Goswin von Brederlow writes: Because the former works after installing the deb without the user ever doing anything about firmware. How do you even know there is firmware? Maybe it is all hardcoded into the chip? Without taking the hardware apart you can't know. Call me ignorant but what I

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-15 Thread John Hasler
Nicolas writes: I already thought about it, but I fnind it quite confusing when I cannot run /etc/init.d/foobar by hand as soon as it is not enabled on startup. Your script should check $PRERUNLEVEL. It will be N if you are booting. -- John Hasler

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-15 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: Your script should check $PRERUNLEVEL. It will be N if you are booting. That should be $PREVLEVEL. -- John Hasler

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 05:00:11PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: Michael K. Edwards wrote: binutils and modutils both depend on it. On flex? No. At least not in unstable. Yes, it does. $ apt-cache showsrc binutils Package: binutils Binary: binutils-hppa64, binutils, binutils-doc, binutils-dev,

Re: removing in postrm rc*.d symlinks that I did not create

2004-12-15 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 12:34:21AM +0100, Nicolas Boullis wrote: But a user felt concerned that, in the future, he may remove the package and forget to delete the links. Then I thought I could remove the links in postrm on purge, considering they are part of the package's configuration

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-15 Thread Bruce Perens
Steve Langasek wrote: On flex? No. At least not in unstable. Yes, it does. Oh, you mean build-depends. Not standardizing the toolchain used to build a set of standardized binaries would seem to leave the LCC open to a repeat of the gcc-2.96 fiasco, however... The

Accepted dnprogs 2.28 (i386 source all)

2004-12-15 Thread Patrick Caulfield
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:50:44 + Source: dnprogs Binary: libdnet libdnet-dev dnet-common dnet-progs Architecture: source i386 all Version: 2.28 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Patrick Caulfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted cupsys 1.1.22-1 (i386 source all)

2004-12-15 Thread Kenshi Muto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:58:55 +0900 Source: cupsys Binary: cupsys-bsd libcupsys2-dev libcupsys2 cupsys libcupsys2-gnutls10 libcupsimage2-dev libcupsimage2 cupsys-client Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1.1.22-1 Distribution:

Accepted rmatrix 0.8.19-1 (i386 source)

2004-12-15 Thread Douglas Bates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:13:56 -0600 Source: rmatrix Binary: r-cran-matrix Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.8.19-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted f-spot 0.0.3-2 (i386 source)

2004-12-15 Thread Ondej Sur
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:45:53 +0100 Source: f-spot Binary: f-spot Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.0.3-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Ondřej Surý [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Ondřej Surý [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted gcc-3.4 3.4.3-5 (i386 source all)

2004-12-15 Thread Matthias Klose
Changes: gcc-3.4 (3.4.3-5) unstable; urgency=low . * Updated to gcc-3.4 CVS 20041215. Files: f84d1c546b50d9224a84845bafdc216e 2830 devel optional gcc-3.4_3.4.3-5.dsc ec8933c042de3d15dfe7248a9188f8de 4794673 devel optional gcc-3.4_3.4.3-5.diff.gz 701d3efd2969d2cd1884cdb5b4aad2eb 181572 doc

Accepted lme4 0.6.10-1 (i386 source)

2004-12-15 Thread Douglas Bates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:07:34 -0600 Source: lme4 Binary: r-cran-lme4 Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.6.10-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description:

Accepted greylistd 0.6.3 (all source)

2004-12-15 Thread Tor Slettnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:41:37 -0800 Source: greylistd Binary: greylistd Architecture: source all Version: 0.6.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Tor Slettnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Tor Slettnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted drbd 0.7.7-1 (i386 source all)

2004-12-15 Thread Cyril Bouthors
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:15:35 +0300 Source: drbd Binary: drbd0.7-module-source drbd0.7-utils Architecture: source i386 all Version: 0.7.7-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: David Krovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Cyril

Accepted ocaml-doc 3.08.0-1 (all source)

2004-12-15 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:15:02 +0100 Source: ocaml-doc Binary: ocaml-doc Architecture: source all Version: 3.08.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Remi Vanicat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Remi Vanicat [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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