Hey, debian-devel-italian

2005-12-21 Thread Purvis
Hi, debian-devel-italian

Re: c2a transition: libraries still needing transition

2005-12-21 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Nathanael Nerode [Tue, Dec 20 2005, 04:59:46PM]: rlog -- old version is in testing Depends on the update of fuse. I am waiting for any reaction from Bartosz and I am going to NMU fuse next week or so if nothing happens. Eduard. -- pearl auf tetrinet.debian.net sind leute,

Re: c2a transition: libraries still needing transition

2005-12-21 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 04:59:46PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: The following libraries still need to be uploaded with name changes for the c2a transition (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/11/msg00010.html): Most are not in testing at the moment. alps-light1 aqsis

Re: c2a transition: libraries still needing transition

2005-12-21 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:58:08AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: rlog -- old version is in testing Depends on the update of fuse. I am waiting for any reaction from Bartosz and I am going to NMU fuse next week or so if nothing happens. I'm working on it, but in the same time I'm going to

ITP: gifsicle -- Powerful tool for manipulating GIF images

2005-12-21 Thread Gürkan Sengün
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: gifsicle Version : 1.44 Upstream Author : Eddie Kohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.lcdf.org/gifsicle/ * License : See below Description : Powerful tool for manipulationg GIF images This is a

URLs for usertags in the BTS

2005-12-21 Thread Frank Küster
Hi, I'd like to use usertags to track the status of bugs in testing vs. unstable, but I cannot find the trick in the URL to restrict the displayed bugs to those that are still open in testing. For example, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=pdfoutput;[EMAIL

Re: New make is breaking several packages

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
2005/12/20, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au: So the old behaviour's POSIX compatible as long as the Makefile doesn't specify the .POSIX target. The real question is, is there a way to allow the old supported-for-years syntax. With large makefiles it uglyfies the file somewhat. And

Hey, debian-devel

2005-12-21 Thread Fuller
Hi, debian-devel

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Automated testing of program functionality == Automatic testing needs to happen in various contexts: * When the package has been built, but before it

Re: ITP: gifsicle -- Powerful tool for manipulating GIF images

2005-12-21 Thread Decklin Foster
Gürkan Sengün writes: * Package name: gifsicle #212193, if anyone is thinking this sounds vaguely familiar. * URL : http://www.lcdf.org/gifsicle/ Which reads, in part: As of July 2004, all of Unisys's LZW/GIF patents have expired, but IBM has a remaining patent. There

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Steve Greenland wrote: On 20-Dec-05, 09:56 (CST), Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 08:57:08AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: [1] Dark blue on black. Need I say more? The reality is that visibility of color combinations is heavily dependent on

Re: URLs for usertags in the BTS

2005-12-21 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:40:59AM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=pdfoutput;[EMAIL PROTECTED];dist=testingarchive=no Shows four Archived bugs of normal severity. As an example, look at the last one: http://bugs.debian.org/322353 This version is

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, if your terminal pretends to be xterm but does not use the color scheme of xterm, how should vim know that? You can't. real console: TERM='linux' xterm: TERM='xterm' gnome-terminal: TERM='xterm'

Re: URLs for usertags in the BTS

2005-12-21 Thread Frank Küster
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: How can I specify an URL that correctly shows only bugs open in testing? Adding ;pend-exc=done,absent should do what you want, I think. Thank you, fine. Archived bugs are still displayed, but only in the separate resolved categories. Regards,

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-12-21 kello 10:28 +, Roger Leigh kirjoitti: For this task, you might find schroot(1) useful. It's a means of accessing chroot environments, but it supports LVM snapshots as one method. Does this require the user to set up LVM somehow before using schroot? This is a very quick

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Thomas Hood
First, thanks to Lars for drawing our attention to an important topic and for taking an initiative that is long overdue. Lars, I agree fully with what you say. When it comes to team maintenance I would go even further than you do. You say: Mandatory teams for packages seems ridiculous to

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread paddy
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 02:07:30AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Sloppiness tends to result in real problems sooner or later. possible slogan for volatile-sloppy ? :) Several ideas have been floating around for years on how to improve this situation, of which I'd like to mention three. While

Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2005-12-21 Thread jdthood
Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 08:45:45PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: (TBH, I'd be much happier just making the technical changes necessary to ensure /var is mounted early -- keeps the filesystem sane, and it's just a simple matter of programming, rather than arguing over

Re: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 updated (r1)

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 updated (r1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] December 20th, 2005

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Louis-David Mitterrand
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 01:53:07PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: On 20-Dec-05, 12:54 (CST), Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found vim's defaults are unreadable except on a white background, since that is what vim assumes you have by default. Actually, I do use a white

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 12.23, Thomas Hood wrote: I don't think that it is ridiculous to require that every package have a team behind it---i.e., at least two maintainers. First, if someone can't find ONE other person willing to be named as a co-maintainer of a given package then I

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ke, 2005-12-21 kello 10:28 +, Roger Leigh kirjoitti: For this task, you might find schroot(1) useful. It's a means of accessing chroot environments, but it supports LVM snapshots as one method. Does

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:56:30PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely process packages progressing through the NEW queue.

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Christian Fromme
On 20.12. 08:36, Steve Greenland wrote: I'm still missing the incentive. Joey Hess wrote in his earlier message that It's now only marginally larger than nvi. It achieves that by removing many of the features that distinguish vim from nvi, to the point that my guess is that most of those who

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Matthew Garrett
Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Less strong ownership of packages. (snip) This idea hasn't been tested. It could be tested if some group of maintainers declared that some or all of their packages were part of the experiment, that anyone could NMU

Re: Checking package builds on hppa/arm/m68k?

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Fester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Benjamin Mesing wrote: Please (re)check, if the package can be built by g++ 3.4 on [hppa/arm/m68k]? Do I simply remove the explicit build dependency on g++, upload the package and wait if it succeeds (and probably create another package version with

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:31:26PM +0100, Christian Fromme wrote: On 20.12. 08:36, Steve Greenland wrote: I'm still missing the incentive. Joey Hess wrote in his earlier message that It's now only marginally larger than nvi. It achieves that by removing many of the features that

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:31:26PM +0100, Christian Fromme wrote: vaguely dissastified by the change. If the result of this is that a) base is not smaller, and b) vim users still have to install vim-nottiny, and c) nvi users now have to install nvi, I don't think it's a net win. As much as

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny, I just did a Google search for site:www.debian.org cvs repository www.debian.org and there it was, plain as day. That implies that you already

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:34:56PM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: I've run some scripts to find out the size of binary pakcages in debian and how theycould be made smaller, here's the results: My comments are about the same as on IRC: - Disk

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 12/18/05, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 02:56:10PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Why would this be huge? Why is it that hard to plugin another codec? You'd have to rewrite about every single tool in

Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2005-12-21 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Petter Reinholdtsen] One user is bootlogd, needing before init is started to store stats about the boot. That is before both these points in the boot. I managed to write bootlogd when I intended to write bootchartd. That is the package making statistics about the boot process. [Anthony

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:34:56PM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: Hi I've run some scripts to find out the size of binary pakcages in debian and how theycould be made smaller, here's the results: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sizematters/ FWIW :

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter Samuelson wrote: Given the need, and now the reality, of /run, is there any need for a separate /var/run? Need is probably too strong, but it's certainly convenient if we don't have to change the way we currently use /var/run/. How

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/21/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uncompressor file.tar.whatever | tar -x $ uncompressor -bash: uncompressor: command not found This solution doesn't look usable in scripts and user have to use a more complex syntax.

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Riku Voipio
Hi, While I'm a addicted vim user, the build-dependencies of vim(-tiny) is a bit scary for a base package. While we do not have requirements of base packages of being easily buildable, changing to vim-tiny will make bootstrapping a basic debian system again a little bit harder. nvi:

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 2005-12-12 13:23:01, schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: Actualy one thing apt could do: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% host security.debian.org security.debian.org A 82.94.249.158 security.debian.org A 128.101.80.133 security.debian.org

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 2005-12-06 09:53:43, schrieb Ivan Adams: Hi again, in my case: I have slow internet connection. BUT I have friends with the same ^^^ connection in my local area network, who have apt-proxy. My goal is: When I need

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-21 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/21/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who need PARALELISM and who has a bandwidth of more then 8 MBit? I have 10240kBit downstream and get way less from security.debian.org. Especialy when there is a security release of X or latex. But parallel downloads won't solve

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Erinn Clark
* Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005:12:21 12:23 +0100]: I don't think that it is ridiculous to require that every package have a team behind it---i.e., at least two maintainers. First, if someone can't find ONE other person willing to be named as a co-maintainer of a given package then I

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 12/21/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uncompressor file.tar.whatever | tar -x $ uncompressor -bash: uncompressor: command not found This solution doesn't look usable in scripts and user have to use a more complex syntax.

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 16:12 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:34:56PM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: [snip] The transition itself would go completly unadministered. Once dpkg is switched to default to a different

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Thomas Hood] I don't think that it is ridiculous to require that every package have a team behind it---i.e., at least two maintainers. First, if someone can't find ONE other person willing to be named as a co-maintainer of a given package then I would seriously doubt that that package (or

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 17:08 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: At the very minimum, I believe all base packages (those installed by debootstrap by default) should have co-maintainers. This sounds like a good compromise between the two sides of this discussion. Thijs signature.asc

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread David Nusinow
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 11:00:15AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote: * Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005:12:21 12:23 +0100]: Team maintainership is working very well for some other distributions. That may be true, but it's not a good argument for forcing such a situation in Debian. I agree that

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Thomas Hood
I wrote: I don't think that it is ridiculous to require that every package have a team behind it---i.e., at least two maintainers. First, if someone can't find ONE other person willing to be named as a co-maintainer of a given package then I would seriously doubt that that package (or that

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Clint Adams
True. However, the issue in question is whether or not it would be better if they maintained in teams. I imagine that it would not be better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Erinn Clark
* Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005:12:21 17:32 +0100]: Erinn Clark wrote: There are plenty of people who are maintaining packages alone that are doing an excellent job True. However, the issue in question is whether or not it would be better if they maintained in teams. Forcing

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread David Nusinow
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 05:32:21PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: This is not a fair characterization of what the introduction of a two-maintainer rule would be doing. No one should be insulted by general rule changes designed to make Debian work better. I think a two-maintainer rule is a bit

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You just try to make a point out of buildd.net not having a direct source link which is completly irelevant imho. Hey, I don't care if there's a direct link or not. I care if the source is available for anyone to go download. If it's available

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 17:08 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: At the very minimum, I believe all base packages (those installed by debootstrap by default) should have co-maintainers. This sounds like a good compromise between the two sides of this

Bug#279983: general: /dev/cdrom does not work.

2005-12-21 Thread Jean-Michel
Package: general Followup-For: Bug #279983 The cdrom doesnot work too. One of them randomly works. This happend with two computers with about same debain version, but different cdrom boxes. chypre:~# mount /cdrom/ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0, missing

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 02:07:30AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Several ideas have been floating around for years on how to improve this situation, of which I'd like to mention three. While I've here used the number of bugs as the measure of a package's quality, the same ideas might help with

ITP: thunar -- Xfce File Manager

2005-12-21 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
Package: wnpp Owner: Debian Xfce Maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Severity: wishlist * Package name: thunar Version : 0.1.4svn+r1885 Upstream Author : Benedikt Meurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://thunar.xfce.org * License : GPL Description : Xfce File

ITP: orage -- Calendar for Xfce Desktop Environment

2005-12-21 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
Package: wnpp Owner: Debian Xfce Maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Severity: wishlist * Package name: orage Version : 4.3.1.22svn Upstream Author : Mickaël Graf [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://foo-projects.org/~korbinus/orage/ * License : GPL Description :

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qua, 2005-12-21 às 14:34 +, Matthew Garrett escreveu: I think I've said this before, but I have no objections to anyone uploading any of my packages. I'd be even happier if anyone who did so was willing to enter into some sort of reciprocal agreement. So do I, but I would be really

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Thomas Hood
Erinn Clark wrote: For maintainers who are doing a lot of good work, there's simply not enough to justify more people. Once there's already a certain level of efficiency, adding another person is not going to increase it, and will likely decrease it. I can't see the point of enforcing this as

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Joey Hess
Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: I don't think it's easily possible to count on people contributing to this thread to be representative, but I do think (b) is certainly less than it seems: Even vim-tiny would I think be liked more than nvi -- So do I. As others have said, vim users can run

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-21 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:12:56AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: This may sound heretical to you, but I don't consider software to be DFSG-free unless there's actually a copy somewhere that people can get to. If the source is unavailable, the software isn't free, regardless of what theoretical

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Joey Hess
David Nusinow wrote: I agree that we shouldn't force teams on anyone, but I'd like to see more large-scale teams encompassing loosely connected smaller packages[0]. If, for no other reason, than for developers to claim ownership of (and by extension responsibility for) the whole project rather

Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
(Please followup to -project if you're replying on the subject of holding polls like this -- the discussion on holding polls is not technical, so does not belong to -devel. For opinions on nvi versus vim, please reply elsewhere in the current thread, this subthread isn't the place for it) For the

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 13:33, David Nusinow wrote: I agree that we shouldn't force teams on anyone, but I'd like to see more large-scale teams encompassing loosely connected smaller packages This will also bring the side effect of making it easier for non-DDs: Now instead of finding a

Re: c2a transition: libraries still needing transition

2005-12-21 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: aqsis It would be nice if whoever uploads this could also address #324025 (64-bit FTBFS, patch available). It would be very nice to finish these off. Once all these libraries are transitioned, the remaining C++ programs using the old ABI can be

Re: udev event completion order

2005-12-21 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Alexander E. Patrakov may or may not have written... Kay Sievers wrote: There is also the plan to do parallel device probing inside the kernel some day, that will make the situation of relying on kernel names even more fragile. Right, this means that the way of passing

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 09:56:27AM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 12/19/05, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:27:36PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Steinar H. Gunderson: My comments are about the same as on IRC: - Disk space is cheap,

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-21 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: aren't really there anyway, I have never heard of non-swappable in-memory filesystems. the ram disks, afaik. Those are: Solaris, *BSD and The Hurd. Solaris and all of the BSDs can do VM-based filesystems that are nearly identical to tmpfs. I don't

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2005-12-21 kello 14:19 +, Roger Leigh kirjoitti: The difference for a minimal chroot is not too great. The main advantage of schroot LVM snapshotting is that the time is constant irrespective of the size of the LV (it's copy-on-write), whereas for tar it is linear. For slow machines

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 09:14:16PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: (Please followup to -project if you're replying on the subject of Because this is certainly not the first time I was curious on the opinion of the so called Silent majority (if such beast exists at all), I decided to simply

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 12:23:32PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: I would support requiring team maintainership because TM will be beneficial in almost all cases and making it a requirement it cuts off a lot of useless discussion. Cute theory, gaping hole. Making a group of people responsible for

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-21 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 12/21/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who need PARALELISM and who has a bandwidth of more then 8 MBit? I have 10240kBit downstream and get way less from security.debian.org. Especialy when there is a security release of X

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:10:03PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: It turns out that there is no need for them to be hurt at all. Lone can carry on working as before and find a co-maintainer who won't get in his way. But when Lone falls off his horse he'll be glad that Tonto is nearby. ...

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread MJ Ray
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have no sympathy for the notion of a silent majority. If you have an opinion, speak it. [...] Hard if you can't hear the question above the NOISE. wonder how many people will vote for nvi bacause nvi is more like regular vi than vim. This is important

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Thomas Hood
Andrew Suffield wrote: Cute theory, gaping hole. Making a group of people responsible for something, rather than a single person, means that they can all spend all their time passing the buck and hoping that one of the others takes care of it, with the result that nobody does. This is a

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 04:56:35PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: While I'm a addicted vim user, the build-dependencies of vim(-tiny) is a bit scary for a base package. While we do not have requirements of base packages of being easily buildable, changing to vim-tiny will make bootstrapping a

Bug#344345: ITP: musmap -- Musmap is a web mapping interface with an advanced users/profile management system

2005-12-21 Thread Mathieu Parent
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mathieu Parent [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: musmap Version : 0.9.0 Upstream Author : Mathieu Parent [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://musmap.sf.net/ * License : GPL Description : Advanced web mapping interface

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Steve Greenland
On 21-Dec-05, 13:10 (CST), Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much would this rule hurt those lone ranger maintainers you are talking about, the ones who package everything perfectly and cannot possibly do any better? It turns out that there is no need for them to be hurt at all.

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Steve Greenland
On 21-Dec-05, 16:11 (CST), MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Current unstable Installed-Size: vim-tiny ranges from 696 to 1852 with a median of 898k. nvi ranges from 560 to 1040 with a median of 648k Ranges? Over what? Architectures? vim-tiny depends on the 200k-ish vim-common too, so nvi

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:11:14PM +, MJ Ray wrote: - vim-tiny is on fewer platforms than nvi, which seems as important as size or accuracy of emulation. Vim still runs in 16-bit DOS, and I think it even has a functioning OS/2 build, but it won't run on all of the platforms Debian supports?

Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2005-12-21 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: /var/run has always been the right place in the namespace; it's just not been usable for technical reasons. If we fix the technical reasons, all is good. Well there is on more technical solution that might have been

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread MJ Ray
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:11:14PM +, MJ Ray wrote: - vim-tiny is on fewer platforms than nvi, which seems as important as size or accuracy of emulation. Vim still runs in 16-bit DOS, and I think it even has a functioning OS/2 build, but it won't run

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 21-Dec-05, 16:11 (CST), MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Current unstable Installed-Size: vim-tiny ranges from 696 to 1852 with a median of 898k. nvi ranges from 560 to 1040 with a median of 648k Ranges? Over what? Architectures? Yes, architectures.

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Kari Pahula
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 12:23:32PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: I don't think that it is ridiculous to require that every package have a team behind it---i.e., at least two maintainers. First, if someone can't Sorry, but I'm having an issue with the word require here. Call me idealistic, but I

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 02:28:23AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Who knows? It's not currently built for as many. For hurd-i386, hppa and s390, nvi is a working editor and vim-tiny isn't. I can't remember what counts as support right now (URL anyone?) I'll have to punt on that one, since I know nothing

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I much prefer vim-tiny over nvi, others have agreed (at least Frans Pop and Joey Hess), and not one person so far has actually said they prefer nvi over vim--just that they prefer its defaults, which has been addressed. Just to be completely

Bug#344359: ITP: flowscan-cuflow -- Flowscan module combining CampusIO and SubNetIO

2005-12-21 Thread Russell Stuart
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Russell Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: flowscan-cuflow Version : 1.5 Upstream Author : Johan Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matt Selsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.columbia.edu/acis/networks/advanced/CUFlow *

Re: udev event completion order

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Vaughan
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 06:29, Darren Salt wrote: I demand that Alexander E. Patrakov may or may not have written... Kay Sievers wrote: There is also the plan to do parallel device probing inside the kernel some day, that will make the situation of relying on kernel names even more fragile.

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:23:32 +0100, Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mandatory teams for packages seems ridiculous to me. Lots of packages are so small that having to arrange a team for them, even if it is only the effort to set up and subscribe to a team mailing list, is wasteful. Not

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:52:21 -0600, Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 21-Dec-05, 13:10 (CST), Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much would this rule hurt those lone ranger maintainers you are talking about, the ones who package everything perfectly and cannot possibly do any

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:08:13 +, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is completely irrelevant. The FSF doesn't use the DFSG as freeness guidelines. But the DFSG are intended to be a more detailed description of what free software (a term

Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2005-12-21 Thread Joey Hess
Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: mount --move . /var/run mount --move only works in 2.6, not in 2.4. I think something similar was suggested earlier in the thread and it is a nice solution for linux 2.6 systems. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Joey Hess
MJ Ray wrote: Who knows? It's not currently built for as many. For hurd-i386, hppa and s390, nvi is a working editor and vim-tiny isn't. I can't remember what counts as support right now (URL anyone?) Oh, come on. vim-tiny entered the archive this week. The fact that we have some slow buildds

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Greenland wrote: Okay, so that's not about the same. Stefano? If the above numbers are correct, then the best case is a (696+200-560)==336K increase. Last I heard, the CD builders considered that a non-trivial amount of space. Or am I confusing the boot image with base? Anything over a

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Joey Hess
MJ Ray wrote: The increase is between 101% for ia64 and 58% for i386. vim-tiny+vim-common is smallish by current standards, but neither about the same as nvi, nor only marginally larger. Was there a maths error near the top of this thread? The very top of this thread contained a forwarded

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Monday 19 December 2005 11:49, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: If /run is tmpfs, it means everything stored there eats virtual memory. So a musch metter strategy would be to move everything from /run to /var/run at the end of the boot

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Vaughan
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:32, David Nusinow wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 05:32:21PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: This is not a fair characterization of what the introduction of a two-maintainer rule would be doing. No one should be insulted by general rule changes designed to make Debian work

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Monday 19 December 2005 23:04, Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 01:49:37AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: tmpfs stores run ressources in vm more efficiently (since they are otherwise in th buffercache and the filesystem). Quite the contrary. tmpfs needs vm

Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2005-12-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 01:27, Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:09:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The other aspect is that /var's the place for stuff that varies during normal use; introducing some other place for the same thing is redundant and thus

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-21 Thread Joey Hess
Riku Voipio wrote: While I'm a addicted vim user, the build-dependencies of vim(-tiny) is a bit scary for a base package. While we do not have requirements of base packages of being easily buildable, changing to vim-tiny will make bootstrapping a basic debian system again a little bit

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 19.24, Russ Allbery wrote: [mandatory comaintainers] I think that the energy used to define these sorts of procedures is probably better used finding a package with a large bug count and volunteering to work with the maintainer to try to get the bug count down.

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 20.10, Thomas Hood wrote: It turns out that there is no need for them to be hurt at all.  Lone can carry on working as before and find a co-maintainer who won't get in his way.  But when Lone falls off his horse he'll be glad that Tonto is nearby.   Except that

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