Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Joe Smith | Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message | news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] | debconf | debconf-english | debconf-i18n | | These are all necessary, and debconf is an essential package which is | not subject to the circular dependency postinst

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Christian Perrier | No chance that people from Canonical show up over there? I can even | host (Perrier's bed and breakfast, including cheese)...:) I doubt it; There's a Ubuntu distro sprint in London that week so we'll all be very, very busy with discussions and bug fixing on our own. --

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:48:21 +0100, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, the border between contributing and employing people who also work on Debian is not entirely clear. How do you think Canonical could *better* work with Debian, ignoring whether they meet up to their promises at the

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 12 janvier 2006 à 01:49 +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a écrit : At the very least, I think they should be treated like pre-depends, with a request on this list being mandatory before adding a circular dependency. Until now, all circular dependencies cases I have met were fixable.

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 09 janvier 2006 à 22:15 -0500, Joey Hess a écrit : Bill Allombert wrote: Here the lists of packages involved in circular dependencies listed by maintainers. Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] debconf debconf-english debconf-i18n These are all necessary, and debconf

Sabbatical

2006-01-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
Hi guys, For various personal reasons you've probably not seen me around much in the last few months; and unfortunately, for the same reasons I've decided to take a Sabbatical from working on Debian. I've already arranged maintainership of both of my packages: Matthias Klose will take over

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread jeremiah foster
Can't Canonical devote resources to better Ubuntu's contribution to debian? This seems like a reasonable request since Canonical crows about how they are the number one linux distro and they have excellent support, but surely the reliability of their product rests upon the reliability of

libecw

2006-01-12 Thread Jorge Garcia
Hello! Dou you know when will be available libecw in Debian repository? Thanks! Jorge. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: libecw

2006-01-12 Thread Miriam Ruiz
I'm not sure if it's license ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293346 ) can be considered free enough to be in main: Use of the ECW SDK with Unlimited Decompressing and Unlimited Compression for applications licensed under a GNU General Public style license (GPL) is governed by

Re: libecw

2006-01-12 Thread Jorge Garcia
El Jueves 12 Enero 2006 10:58, Miriam Ruiz escribió: I'm not sure if it's license ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293346 ) can be considered free enough to be in main: And in non-free ? Use of the ECW SDK with Unlimited Decompressing and Unlimited Compression for

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-12 Thread Martin Meredith
It has come to my attention that this last email could have been construed as a personal attack against a certain ubuntu developer. It is not meant that way. What I don't seem to have put across properly are the following points. 1) the blog post mentioned that made me irate was because of the

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Henning Glawe
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:01:58AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | These are all necessary, and debconf is an essential package which is | not subject to the circular dependency postinst ordering problems afaik. | | Well, I'm not sure if that is an excuse for violating policy. Essential:

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* Anthony Towns: If you'd like to make suggestions about ideas that would be useful, What about: stop threatening your fellow developers? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265920

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the job of either the bug submitter or (more usually) the Debian maintainer to contact upstream to make sure that they're aware of the bug. It is *not* the upstream maintainer's job to examine Debian's bug database. that

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 12, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The relevant context is generally available in the changelog (which is in At least for my packages, this is often false. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Florian Weimer] What about: stop threatening your fellow developers? Why is specifying the consequences of doing a bad job with maintaining ones debian packages threatening? Personally I believe it is time we made clear and written down explanations on what will happen to badly maintained

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.01.12.1209 +0100]: If you'd like to make suggestions about ideas that would be useful, What about: stop threatening your fellow developers? Thanks, Anthony, for the heads-up. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Florian Weimer] What about: stop threatening your fellow developers? Why is specifying the consequences of doing a bad job with maintaining ones debian packages threatening? IMHO it isn't at all. Personally I believe it is time we made

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 12:09:04PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Anthony Towns: If you'd like to make suggestions about ideas that would be useful, What about: stop threatening your fellow developers? For instance, bug #303131 has been open since April last year, and has had no further

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that sometimes users do the wrong thing in spite of this, and that's unfortunate. However, given that I've never received an inappropriate message from an Ubuntu user about one of my packages in Debian at my Maintainer: email address, it seems

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: itrans Version : 5.3 Upstream Author : Avinash Chopde [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.aczoom.com/itrans/ How did you

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
Frank Küster wrote: Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you manage to download the sources from there? I get: ftp://ftp%40aczoom%2Ecom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/itrans/53/itrans53.zip Link is on http://www.aczoom.com/itrans/#download Regards, -- Yves-Alexis Perez signature.asc

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Florian Weimer] What about: stop threatening your fellow developers? Why is specifying the consequences of doing a bad job with maintaining ones debian packages threatening?

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-12 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can definately understand some DD's views here - they seem to get nothing from ubuntu - have to wade through patches or whatever to try and find the useful stuff - have to do all this work to get all the

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/11/06, Daniel Ruoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 14:36 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG escreveu: Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was already discussed[0], and there's no consensus on this idea of every Ubuntu changeset, a patch in Debian BTS between DDs.

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/11/06, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (...) I don't remember Linspire, Progeny, ... employees doing the same thing so it makes no sense rant against Canonical only. On the other hand, Linspire and Progeny do not pretend to be

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/12/06, Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Florian Weimer] What about: stop threatening your fellow developers? Why is specifying the consequences of doing a bad job with maintaining ones debian packages threatening? IMHO it

Re: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265920

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Felipe Sateler wrote: This seems like a nice idea. File a whishlist bug against reportbug ;) If you really want to do this, look at /usr/share/doc/reportbug/README.developers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Steve Langasek wrote: If RC bugs go unanswered for 3 months, I agree that something should be done; I just don't think that saying someone else should take it over is necessarily enough. I believe we need clearer methods for handling packages in the case that *no one* is

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi, first of all, thanks for taking the initiative I think the matter is too important to be left alone just for avoiding to step on anyones toes. Anthony Towns wrote: Random ideas for negative consequences might include forced orphaning by overriding maintainer fields to debian-qa, removal of

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:25:01PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: (...) Are you saying that they're spending more money with PR than really contributing back ? I don't know about money, but I'm pretty sure their claims exceed their

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/11/06, Gustavo Noronha Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 19:54 -0300, Daniel Ruoso escreveu: Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 14:36 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG escreveu: Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was already discussed[0], and there's no consensus on this

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/11/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 05:48:22PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/11/06, Daniel Ruoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 16:48 +0100, martin f krafft escreveu: What would you like to see? I think submitting bugs and

Re: libecw

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Miriam Ruiz wrote: I'm not sure if it's license ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293346 ) can be considered free enough to be in main: FYI, the right place to ask this is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moving it over there. Full-quoting because of this. Summary: I don't believe this is a

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: I agree with similar things being said but i'm yet to hear about the lack of collaboration and give Debian something back. For example: I don't remember too much people caring about PGI (Progeny) and after that anaconda

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you manage to download the sources from there? I get: ftp://ftp%40aczoom%2Ecom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/itrans/53/itrans53.zip That's exactly what I tried - it doesn't matter which

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, January 12, 2006 14:23, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Random ideas for negative consequences might include forced orphaning by overriding maintainer fields to debian-qa, removal of Maybe this should not only be limited to packages with RC bugs... For a lot of packages with inactive

Fwd: Bug#344758: init.d script should create /var/run/dirmngr

2006-01-12 Thread Thomas Hood
The submitter of #344758 wrote: The script should create /var/run/dirmngr to allow users to map their /var/run to a temporary filesystem like tmpfs. Thanks. Peter Eisentraut wrote: What do you think about this request? It seems reasonable, but I think if this should be supported, there

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: I very much agree that we should strive to make packages as good as possible, but if users depend on a package and there are no real showstoppers in it, we might do our users a better service with shipping than with not shipping the package. No. Shipping unsupported

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: While the package might not be of the quality we strive to achieve within Debian; if a bug is not release critical we consider the bug not to be serious enough to impact the packages' releaseworthyness. This is by definition. Even if there are many of

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, January 12, 2006 14:23, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Random ideas for negative consequences might include forced orphaning by overriding maintainer fields to debian-qa, removal of Maybe this should not only be limited to packages with RC bugs... For

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:48:22 -0200, Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 1/11/06, Daniel Ruoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 16:48 +0100, martin f krafft escreveu: What would you like to see? I think submitting bugs and patches to the BTS would already be enough.

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:17:55 -0200, Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I disagree with a pile of patches and as i said it would be better a revision control system and good log (and debian/changelog) entries. How is a revision control system (BTW, all of my packages are in a

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
Frank Küster wrote: Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you manage to download the sources from there? I get: ftp://ftp%40aczoom%2Ecom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/itrans/53/itrans53.zip That's exactly what I tried -

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Thomas Viehmann in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages without maintained rdepends from testing? Seconded. Christoph -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.df7cb.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Vaughan
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:58, Frank Küster wrote: Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you manage to download the sources from there? I get: ftp://ftp%40aczoom%2Ecom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/itrans/53/itrans53 .zip

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:36:06 +, Martin Meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ok - I'm going to reply to the first post i found on this whole - thing, so apologies if it shows up in some weird place in threaded view. Basically - I dont think the brand should be put on ubuntu as a whole -

Re: libecw

2006-01-12 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/12/06, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Use of the ECW SDK with Unlimited Decompressing and Unlimited Compression for applications licensed under a GNU General Public style license (GPL) is governed by the ECW SDK PUBLIC USE LICENSE AGREEMENT. Not sure what they're

Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Charles Plessy
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 02:21:03PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote : ... If a maintainer would not manage to respond to an RC bug for three months the package is obviousely not maintained and should be taken over by somebody else, IMHO. I wish something like that applied to all bugs.

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-12 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/12/06, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if you read my other mail, but I do find it hard to cooperate with Ubuntu for my own package, because each time it has been uploaded to Ubuntu it was done my a different person, so I don't know who I should be cooperating /with/.

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:26:26AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 12 janvier 2006 ? 01:49 +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a ?crit : At the very least, I think they should be treated like pre-depends, with a request on this list being mandatory before adding a circular dependency.

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:47:53AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/11/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course people can do this, but this is so very much not the point. The point is that publishing source packages on a website that people have to poll is not giving back to

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: Re: Thomas Viehmann in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages without maintained rdepends from testing? Seconded. well, just make a list that I can just copy into my hint file. Cheers,

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Otavio Salvador
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gustavo Franco wrote: I agree with similar things being said but i'm yet to hear about the lack of collaboration and give Debian something back. For example: I don't remember too much people caring about PGI (Progeny) and after that anaconda port to say

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:03:28AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Of course, this is trivial, but fixing this bug (251 days old) is also trivial. Then why complain ? I feel that it gives a bad image of debian, when it suggests to use a broken tool while another one is being repaired. But if you

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-12 16:05]: Re: Thomas Viehmann in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages without maintained rdepends from testing? Seconded. I don't think it's such a great idea (at least not done by itself). While

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Christoph Berg [Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:05:52 +0100]: Re: Thomas Viehmann in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages without maintained rdepends from testing? Seconded. Me too. (jftr, http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2004/06/msg00176.html)

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, January 12, 2006 16:02, Frank Küster wrote: But if a rather new package in active development has many non-RC bugs, some of them crippling upstream features, and one of them New version N.m.o available (retitled three times meanwhile), then our users are probably better served by

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 15:56]: Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: I very much agree that we should strive to make packages as good as possible, but if users depend on a package and there are no real showstoppers in it, we might do our users a better service with shipping than

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The greatest strength of having Canonical on our side, from my POV, is that it's a company full of people like Daniel, who are fundamentally Debian people, and who are willing to work with you on this kind of personal level. I don't really buy in to

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Gustavo Franco wrote: I see, i would like to see the utnubu patch list[0] integrated in PTS (scott's already is[1]), with that everyone subscribed to the package The patch list from utnubu is the same than the one from Scott, so there's no point to add a pointer to the

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: Re: Thomas Viehmann in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages without maintained rdepends from testing? Seconded. well, just make a list that I can

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: Re: Thomas Viehmann in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages without maintained rdepends from

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Stepan Golosunov
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:30:56AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 09 janvier 2006 à 22:15 -0500, Joey Hess a écrit : Bill Allombert wrote: Here the lists of packages involved in circular dependencies listed by maintainers. Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] debconf

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:12:27PM +0400, Stepan Golosunov wrote: Looking at them, I fail to see why debconf-i18n has to depend on debconf. Because /usr/share/doc/debconf-i18n is a symlink? perhaps the link should be the other way round. for example the most common package split would be

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Luk Claes
Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:03:28AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Of course, this is trivial, but fixing this bug (251 days old) is also trivial. Then why complain ? I feel that it gives a bad image of debian, when it suggests to use a broken tool while another one is

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:34:27PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: I cannot point you exactly why _this_ circular dependency is going to be a problem, no. However I can point you to bug #310490 which show a woody system that could not be upgraded to sarge without removing most of KDE. I've

Re: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265920

2006-01-12 Thread Darren Salt
[note: sent to d-d only] I demand that Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton may or may not have written... On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 02:04:45PM +0100, Adeodato Sim?? wrote: * Matthew Garrett [Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:50:56 +]: [snip] It's the job of either the bug submitter or (more usually) the Debian

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Britton Kerin
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:23:31 +0100, Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, first of all, thanks for taking the initiative I think the matter is too important to be left alone just for avoiding to step on anyones toes. Anthony Towns wrote: Random ideas for negative consequences

Re: Bug#347617: ITP: itrans -- Converts romanised Indic text to LaTeX, HTML Postscript

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you manage to download the sources from there? I get: ftp://ftp%40aczoom%2Ecom:[EMAIL

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 04:57:46PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:03:28AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Of course, this is trivial, but fixing this bug (251 days old) is also trivial. Then why complain ? I feel that it gives a bad image of debian, when it

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: Re: Thomas Viehmann in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned

Link partnership request with debian.org

2006-01-12 Thread Szabolcs, Herman
Dear Mr(s), I visited your site (debian.org) today, and I really like it. I am very interested in exchanging links. I've gone ahead and posted a link to your site, on this page: www.budapestnetapartments.hu/travel-links/europe-finland-helsinki.htm Your website details: Url: debian.org

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so much. I don't intend to participate in this type of email argument with you; I've yet to

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so much. I don't intend to

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 03:49:08PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: While the package might not be of the quality we strive to achieve within Debian; if a bug is not release critical we consider the bug not to be serious enough to impact the packages'

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:31:40PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what it

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:49:14AM -0600, Bill Allombert wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:34:27PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: I cannot point you exactly why _this_ circular dependency is going to be a problem, no. However I can point you to bug #310490 which show a woody system that

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Joey Hess
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: While the package might not be of the quality we strive to achieve within Debian; if a bug is not release critical we consider the bug not to be serious enough to impact the packages' releaseworthyness. This is by definition. Even if there are many of those bugs, they

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:31:40PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Joey Hess
Andrew Suffield wrote: Well it's nice in theory. The problem is that you have to set the threshold high enough to exempt glibc and dpkg, and when you do that, I have not yet found a metric that complains about any other packages (I've tried two or three times to invent one). I think the

Bug#347807: ITP: xara -- a vector drawing program

2006-01-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: xara * URL : http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ * License : to be released as GPL Description : a vector drawing program The makers of the long-around Windows XaraX vector drawing

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Andrew Suffield wrote: Well it's nice in theory. The problem is that you have to set the threshold high enough to exempt glibc and dpkg, and when you do that, I have not yet found a metric that complains about any other packages (I've tried two or three times to invent

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 19:36]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 16:28]: Re: Thomas Viehmann in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Really,

OT: quoting (was: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.01.12.2135 +0100]: * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 19:36]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Christoph Berg ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: HPPA, Arm, or M68k with g++ = 4:4.0.2-2 ?

2006-01-12 Thread Ionut Georgescu
On Wednesday 14 December 2005 19:25, Adeodato Simó wrote: * Jens Peter Secher [Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:50:26 +0100]: I need to test that a package can be built with g++ = 4:4.0.2-2 on HPPA, Arm, or M68k. Is there a DD accessible machine that has a current version of g++ installed? paer's

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: However, on the other hand feel free to create a common maintained packages team that adopts such packages :) Isn't that pretty much what the qa team does? - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* David Nusinow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 21:47]: On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: However, on the other hand feel free to create a common maintained packages team that adopts such packages :) Isn't that pretty much what the qa team does? Not really. All

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:52:13PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: * David Nusinow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 21:47]: On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: However, on the other hand feel free to create a common maintained packages team that adopts such packages :)

Bug#347834: ITP: knmap -- Kde interface to nmap

2006-01-12 Thread Moratti Claudio
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Moratti Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: knmap Version : 1.99-1 Upstream Author : Kevin Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/knmap * License : GPL Description : Kde interface to

Bug#347826: ITP: fullquottel -- Tool for recognizing mails/postings in tofu/top-posting style

2006-01-12 Thread gregor herrmann
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: gregor herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: fullquottel Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Toastfreeware ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * URL : http://www.toastfreeware.priv.at/ * License

Bug#347828: ITP: mailtextbody -- Tool to return the body of an email message

2006-01-12 Thread gregor herrmann
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: gregor herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: mailtextbody Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Toastfreeware [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.toastfreeware.priv.at/ * License

Bug#347832: ITP: mpc123 -- Command-line Musepack audio player

2006-01-12 Thread Daniele Sempione
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daniele Sempione [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: mpc123 Version : 0.1.9 Upstream Author : Fernando Vezzosi [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://mpc123.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : Command-line

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qui, 2006-01-12 às 18:08 -0200, Gustavo Franco escreveu: - Scott's url with patches isn't part of the give something back approach that we want. We need to be well informed about patches, but we don't know exactly how; Don't we? Debian is Ubuntu's upstream, right? When you modify

Re: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265920

2006-01-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that distinction isn't made clear: it's only if people think about it that they will realise that they are supposed to report debian-specific packaging bugs to the debian bugs database and package-specific bugs to whatever upstream

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, that's current practice, but nobody is stopping anyone to give a little bit more care into QA packages... The hardest problem, speaking as someone who wanted to do that and who still wants to do that as soon as I can find time, is that many

Re: initramfs-tools backport?

2006-01-12 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Joerg Platte wrote: Am Montag, 7. November 2005 17:48 schrieb Norbert Tretkowski: I'll add initramfs-tools soon, the reason why there's only yaird is that it's easier to backport than initramfs-tools. Great news :-) I'm using initramfs-tools for sid for some time now with some

French cheese

2006-01-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 07:26:50AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: /me...who expects tons of Ubuntu/Debian discussions at Solutions Linux in Paris (Jan 31-Feb 2) with both fellow French developers, users...and Ubuntu users as well. No chance that people from Canonical show up over there? I can

pbuilder: cowdancer/cowbuilder status update

2006-01-12 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, This is an update on using userland COW method with pbuilder. cowdancer is a tool that allows you to cp -al (hardlink) a tree, and break the hardlink when a write-open to a file is performed. The adventurous part of cowdancer COW implementation is that it's trying to do this from within

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 3

2006-01-12 Thread Bill Allombert
What does aptitude give as the breakdown between unused packages being automatically removed, and packages being removed that you actually requested installed? Well I did not install any packages through aptitude. The numbers of packages below the lines The following packages will be

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