Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:34:33 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't agree. From the sound of this and other threads, there are a number of folks who are unlikely to be satisfied with any behavior on the part of the Ubuntu project

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:27:31 -0800, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:26:25AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I believe Ubuntu fills an important gap in the Debian world and as such Ubuntu is

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:57:15 +0100, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hello, On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Bill Allombert wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I believe Ubuntu fills an important gap in the Debian world and as such Ubuntu is not part of

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:40:41 +, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive your mail was? Nothing justifies abuse of our lists like that. d-d-a is a widely-read list both inside and outside the project, and you have done harm to

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:44:06 +0100, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sunday 15 January 2006 00:47, Adam Heath wrote: In fact, both of the last 2 emails to d-d-a go against the AUP. Procedures should be started to punish the offenders. They are of a completely different order. One is an

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:51:03 +, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 08:40, Roger Leigh wrote: Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive your mail was? Nothing justifies abuse of our lists like that. d-d-a is

Re: A standard location to find 'vmlinux' to use for oprofile

2006-01-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:39:55 +0900, Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The remaining problem is that we don't really have a standard location for 'vmlinux'. How about /boot/vmlinux-$version ? It would be nice if it's possible to obtain the location information somewhere, in a

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:19:37 -0800, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There was nothing offensive about Andrew's message. Since you do not offer any reasons for your melodramatic conclusion, I suspect that you are merely trolling. I *hope* you are

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 02:26:36AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: That's kind of a strange position to take, isn't it? Does this mean that the many users who use Debian directly sheerly on technical excellence alone, without sharing Debian's founding values, are not part of the Debian

Re: Anthony Towns: What I did today

2006-01-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 08:34:20PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Hi Anthony, On Saturday, 14 Jan 2006, you wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 04:22:50PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: On Friday, 13 Jan 2006, you wrote: Things I did today: 2. Removed the empty SuperH architecture

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Christoph Haas
On Sunday 15 January 2006 09:33, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:40:41 +, Roger Leigh said: Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive your mail was? Nothing justifies abuse of our lists like that. d-d-a is a widely-read list both inside and outside

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:05:11PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 12:59:23AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 09:42:22AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Um, I have said nothing against crediting

Re: Anthony Towns: What I did today

2006-01-15 Thread Andreas Barth
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060115 10:00]: If you remove cruft from one of your packages, do you start notifying developers on d-d-a? In case of the developers reference, I did. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-15 Thread Sami Haahtinen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: It's also about false statements like We sync our packages to Debian regularly, because that simply doesn't happen for quite a lot of us, otherwise all these heated discussions wouldn't happen. They have their own timetable.

Re: Anthony Towns: What I did today

2006-01-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 10:20:33AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060115 10:00]: If you remove cruft from one of your packages, do you start notifying developers on d-d-a? In case of the developers reference, I did. That's a bit of a special case, no?

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:19:37 -0800, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Er, I thought it was offensive because it was sexist, not because there's anything wrong with being lesbian. Umm, the fact that the phrase You like looking at

Re: Preparing the m68k port for the future.

2006-01-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:35:58PM +0100, Daniel Widenfalk wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 03:24:42AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 06:04:00PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: The fact you don't have anyone able to make a working cross-compiler

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Martin Meredith
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label which is the Debian maintainer and which is the Ubuntu maintainer. Thing is, in ubuntu - we don't neccesarily have maintainers for packages. We use a collaborative process - anyone who had access can modify

Re: A standard location to find 'vmlinux' to use for oprofile

2006-01-15 Thread Al Stone
On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 02:47 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:39:55 +0900, Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The remaining problem is that we don't really have a standard location for 'vmlinux'. How about /boot/vmlinux-$version ? This feels like the

Andrew Suffield

2006-01-15 Thread Adrian von Bidder
Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves anything? There are other DDs who are also involved in intense debates and flamewars very often, but you're the only one where I constantly get the impression that you're just being childish, insulting and annoying for

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-15 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Sunday 15 January 2006 10:27, Sami Haahtinen wrote: What do you want? Bugs filed in Debian's bts, with the patches attached and the rationale why this patch is done. Just like many DD work with upstream, by pushing non-Debian changes back actively, and not just saying 'all are changes are

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Meskes
You do realize that your work is out there for anyone to take and to modify. I agree that for the modified packages it should be more clear that the package has been modified by ubuntu and the maintainer or some And why isn't this done? It's so simple to do. I would prefer to know about MY

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Saturday 14 January 2006 18:16, Mike Bird wrote: There was nothing offensive about Andrew's message. Context. This debate is not at all about the content of Andrew's message. Somebody tried to increase the cooperation between Debian and Ubunut in a well-meant effort (personally, while I

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Sunday 15 January 2006 09:31, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:44:06 +0100, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sunday 15 January 2006 00:47, Adam Heath wrote: In fact, both of the last 2 emails to d-d-a go against the AUP. Procedures should be started to punish the

Bug#348156: ITP: cableswig -- Generates Python and Tcl wrappers for C++ code (part of ITK)

2006-01-15 Thread Gavin Baker
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gavin Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: cableswig Version : 2.4.0 Upstream Author : Brad King [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.itk.org/HTML/CableSwig.html * License

Re: Apology for MIA, Retiring, RFA: x-symbol, xmix, oneko

2006-01-15 Thread Adrian von Bidder
[ retiring ] Just in case you missed that part: if you want your account to be closed etc, please inform the keyring maintainer as per http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-developer-duties.en.html#s3.7 (and with a gpg-signed email, bug on dev-reference being filed.) cheers --

Re: Andrew Suffield

2006-01-15 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:58:51AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves anything? There are other DDs who are also involved in intense debates and flamewars very often, but you're the only one where I constantly get the

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Martin Meredith] Thing is, in ubuntu - we don't neccesarily have maintainers for packages. We use a collaborative process - anyone who had access can modify the package. Basically - many many people can change a package, which can be confusing for people. Here's the thing: the Maintainer

Better communication between projects [Was: ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-15 Thread Sami Haahtinen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Meskes wrote: other field should reflect that. But again, some people are offended if the maintainer field is changed to something ubuntu specific for the modified packages. As before it's not an easy task, you get burnt if you go either way.

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Brett Parker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 11:03:37PM +, Brett Parker wrote: Of course, the post to d-d-a about lesbians that then goes on state Don't post irrelevant

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-15 Thread Willi Mann
But Windows security advisories don't contain debian packages. Ubuntu does contain close to all debian packages, and (I hope) most DDs have an interest to include improvements of other distributions in their packages (at least I do). Maemo (from the Nokia 770 fame) contains Debian

Re: Andrew Suffield

2006-01-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10535 March 1977, Adrian von Bidder wrote: Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves anything? Do you think a constandt flaming on public lists is funny? Do you think it achieves anything? There are other DDs who are also involved in intense debates and

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 10:42:20AM +, Martin Meredith wrote: Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label which is the Debian maintainer and which is the Ubuntu maintainer. Thing is, in ubuntu - we don't neccesarily have maintainers for

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-15 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[David Nusinow] As far as I know this wasn't any corporate decision by Canonical to give back to Debian, but it was a personal decision by Daniel to help me (for which I'm immensely grateful). I do not really understand this kind of reasoning. I get the impression that you see a difference

Re: Better communication between projects [Was: ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-15 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Sami Haahtinen] like 'dpkg --show-primary-contact package' That way we could even add a separate field Preferred-Contact: (or something alike) that could override the maintainer and modifier. Preferred contact is *exactly* what the Maintainer field means. [Well, and the co-maintainers

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:28:26PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [David Nusinow] As far as I know this wasn't any corporate decision by Canonical to give back to Debian, but it was a personal decision by Daniel to help me (for which I'm immensely grateful). I do not really understand

Re: Better communication between projects

2006-01-15 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Sami Haahtinen] like 'dpkg --show-primary-contact package' That way we could even add a separate field Preferred-Contact: (or something alike) that could override the maintainer and modifier. Preferred

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:04:46PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: I don't think that patches-submitted-to-the-BTS is a good way to measure how much Ubuntu is contributing to Debian. Ubuntu's patches are readily available: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~scott/patches/ I looked at the patches

Re: Better communication between projects

2006-01-15 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/15/06, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Completely agreed. While I don't object to occasional mails from Ubuntu users, I don't generally have a proper Ubuntu contact (or list) to point them to. This would help a lot there, as well as preventing the problem in the first place.

Re: Better communication between projects

2006-01-15 Thread Michael Meskes
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:07:05PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: Completely agreed. While I don't object to occasional mails from Ubuntu users, I don't generally have a proper Ubuntu contact (or list) to point them to. This would help a lot there, as well as preventing the problem in the first

Re: Better communication between projects

2006-01-15 Thread Sami Haahtinen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Reinhard Tartler wrote: On 1/15/06, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Completely agreed. While I don't object to occasional mails from Ubuntu users, I don't generally have a proper Ubuntu contact (or list) to point them to. This would help a lot

Re: A standard location to find 'vmlinux' to use for oprofile

2006-01-15 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, The remaining problem is that we don't really have a standard location for 'vmlinux'. How about /boot/vmlinux-$version ? This feels like the right answer to me. It's consistent with the naming and using of the rest of the kernel's bits and pieces

Re: For those who care about lesbians

2006-01-15 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Sunday 15 January 2006 01:36, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:51:03 +, Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 08:40, Roger Leigh wrote: Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive your mail

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Thomas Hood
Theodore Ts'o wrote: I looked at the patches for e2fsprogs, and I have to conclude that unfortunately, they patches are worse than useless. It's not clear exactly what is being diffed against what, but if I had to guess it's a diff of Debian stable or Debian testing versus the latest in

Re: Apology for MIA, Retiring, RFA: x-symbol, xmix, oneko

2006-01-15 Thread Steve McIntyre
Steve Dunham wrote: I haven't had time for Debian in a long while - I've held on for a while because I've enjoyed working for Debian, but I don't think I'll find time again. Now I'm renovating a house and have switched to OSX, so it's time I move on. I'm truly sorry that I have neglected

Bug#348206: ITP: ieee80211softmac -- IEEE 802.11 SoftMAC kernel module

2006-01-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Rene Engelhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: ieee80211softmac Version : 20060114 Upstream Authors: * Copyright (c) 2005 Johannes Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Joseph Jezak [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Larry

Bug#348207: ITP: bcm43xx -- Broadcom 43xx Wireless LAN driver module

2006-01-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Rene Engelhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: bcm43xx Version : 20060108 Upstream Authors: Copyright (c) 2005 Martin Langer [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stefano Brivio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Buesch

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

2006-01-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 02:34:32PM +0900, Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: As stated by the Debian Policy Manual : The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of functionality. and

Re: Aptitude question

2006-01-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:41:25AM +0900, Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [0] alert readers will note that the caveat if the user waits for a sufficient amount of time has to be added here; however, this is typically much less than

Re: Apology for MIA, Retiring, RFA: x-symbol, xmix, oneko

2006-01-15 Thread Steve Dunham
On Jan 15, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: Steve Dunham wrote: I haven't had time for Debian in a long while - I've held on for a while because I've enjoyed working for Debian, but I don't think I'll find time again. Now I'm renovating a house and have switched to OSX, so it's time I

Re: New experimental sysvinit

2006-01-15 Thread Thomas Hood
sysvinit 2.86.ds1-10 is now in incoming. Along with udev 0.080-1 this should fix the problem (/dev/pts not mounted early enough) that kept some people from using bootlogd. Beyond that, it is the latest of a string of experimental releases. The sysvinit team is hoping that it is not too far off

Re: Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-15 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
Hi Matt, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:34:31PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Ubuntu could report in the BTS all the bugs it finds, and submit patches via the BTS. [...] Many patches are submitted via the BTS, though not every patch published in

Bug#348209: ITP: smbnetfs -- User-space filesystem for SMB/NMB (Windows) network servers and shares

2006-01-15 Thread Sam Morris
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package name: smbnetfs Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : Mikhail Kshevetskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://smbnetfs.airm.net/ License : GPL Description : User-space filesystem for

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't comment on your package. I have seen changes in some packages that looked gratuitious, but then I have been comforted by the thought that the perpetrators of gratuitous changes are the ones who have to pay the price for it, because they have to

Emphasize teams, not packages

2006-01-15 Thread Frans Jessop
When somebody wants to become a DD he is told “Go find a package to maintain, one that you can be the maintainer for.” I see serious problems with this approach as Debian increases in DD's. I will how this is in a second. What I think should be emphasized is “Go find a package team and

Re: Emphasize teams, not packages

2006-01-15 Thread Bastian Venthur
Frans Jessop wrote: First, as the announcement just came a few days ago some are ignoring their bugs for months. If a team was on the project that is less likely to happen. Hmm this already happens today with packages who *are* maintained by teams. Second, collaboration on ideas for

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:42:20 +, Martin Meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label which is the Debian maintainer and which is the Ubuntu maintainer. Thing is, in ubuntu - we don't neccesarily have maintainers

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:03:06AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: However, to the degree that the Ubuntu patches have these sorts of gratuitous changes that shouldn't be merged with Debian, the patch database quickly becomes useless. The current patch system is only useful if a maintainer can

Wig Pen -- new source format roadmap?

2006-01-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2006-01-15 kello 20:21 +, Mark Brown kirjoitti: Deploying Wig Pen would also help, of course. Speaking of which: what needs to happen for Wig Pen (the new source format) to be usable? Is it possible to get it to happen within etch? What can we do to help with this? -- Those who do,

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-15 Thread Joey Hess
Leaving ubuntu out of this, what puzzles me about your message, Raphael, is this: Raphael Hertzog wrote: If you have some uploads pending, and would like to see those packages included [...] If for whatever reason you don't want to upload the new package to Debian directly [...] This seems

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 08:34:33PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't agree. From the sound of this and other threads, there are a number of folks who are unlikely to be satisfied with any behavior on the part of the Ubuntu project or its

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: would it be usefull if the Ubuntu Maintainer would add a 'ubuntu-specific' usertag to those bugs in the Ubuntu BTS as a way of telling Debian folks (as well as others) that they should not address this bugs. You aren't listening. Do not submit irrelevant

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Joey Hess
Theodore Ts'o wrote: I looked at the patches for e2fsprogs, and I have to conclude that unfortunately, they patches are worse than useless. Unfortunatly, it doesn't seem to help the situation in general to tell Ubuntu this, although in specific cases raising a large enough stink might result in

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 09:42:22AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Um, I have said nothing against crediting maintainers in the packages. I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label which is the Debian maintainer and which is the

Re: Bug#345091: ITP: checkgmail -- Alternative Gmail Notifier for Linux via Atom feeds

2006-01-15 Thread Sandro Tosi
I looked at the homepage, and while this does appear useful, is it really nescessary to be packaged all by itself? Think about a collection package; I don't think debian should be overloaded with tons of single-program packages. I'm getting used to package software for debian, and this seems

Re: Apology for MIA, Retiring, RFA: x-symbol, xmix, oneko

2006-01-15 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Dunham wrote: I haven't had time for Debian in a long while - I've held on for a while because I've enjoyed working for Debian, but I don't think I'll find time again. Now I'm renovating a house and have switched to OSX, so it's time I move on. I'm truly sorry that I have

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 08:21:20AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: And on _top_ of that, we have all sorts of gratuitous autotools changes. Let's not forget the random conversion of build systems -- dpatch seems to be a favourite to rewrite perfectly functioning build systems into. This is

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Joey Hess
Matt Zimmerman wrote: This is only the latest expression of the same general discontent which has been rehashed again and again on this list. A year ago it was Ubuntu aren't contributing, then Ubuntu aren't contributing in the right way, and now Ubuntu aren't contributing in the way that they

Re: A standard location to find 'vmlinux' to use for oprofile

2006-01-15 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, The remaining problem is that we don't really have a standard location for 'vmlinux'. How about /boot/vmlinux-$version ? This feels like the right answer to me. It's consistent with the naming and using of the rest of the kernel's bits and pieces

Re: Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-15 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/15/06, Martin-Éric Racine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many patches are submitted via the BTS, though not every patch published in the patch archive is submitted this way, for reasons which have been discussed to death in previous threads. What I think could be done in a significantly

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-15 Thread Bill Allombert
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:27:31PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:26:25AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I believe Ubuntu fills an important gap in the Debian world and as such Ubuntu is not part of

Re: Andrew Suffield

2006-01-15 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 06:28 -0500, sean finney wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:58:51AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves anything? There are other DDs who are also involved in intense debates and flamewars very

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:54:09PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Could you then take my name off as being reponsible for software that this diverse group of people have modified, if the modifications are more than cosmetic? Also, I would like the bug reports to be triaged and

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Theodore Ts'o [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I don't disagree with this sentiment, keep in mind that Debian itself is sometimes guilty of adding changes to packages when the upstream may or may not approve. Of course, we'll justify by saying that users want it, or that it is in the best

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-15 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Sami Haahtinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-15 11:27]: Gerfried Fuchs wrote: It's also about false statements like We sync our packages to Debian regularly, because that simply doesn't happen for quite a lot of us, otherwise all these heated discussions wouldn't happen. They have their own

Re: Emphasize teams, not packages

2006-01-15 Thread John Gee
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Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On 1/15/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can't understand sarcasm, why didn't you read the part for people who can't understand sarcasm? debian-announce is not meant to play games. Someone made a (perhaps honest) mistake, and were duly criticised. But you know the rules.

Re: Aptitude question

2006-01-15 Thread Miles Bader
Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you say that normal operation is getting slower, do you mean just the load time or its overall performance? The time required to load in all the state files is a bit long, but once they're loaded the program seems to run reasonably quickly to me.

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 12:23:51PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/14/06, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:03:14PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: (...) Exactly my point Matthew, and calm down David, i wrote: e.g.: David said that Daniel helped him, but if

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 05:09:44PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Hmm, it seems to me that Ubuntu has recently changed its practices regarding what degree of divergence from Debian is appropriate, notably in the introduction of the MOTU group. The MOTU team was formed about a week after the first

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 03:12:33PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Actually, upstream maintainers have no voice before the technical committee, which exists to resolve disputes between Debian developers, not between Debian developers and outsiders. Indeed. And likewise, we have absolutely

making more packages binary NMU safe

2006-01-15 Thread Ken Bloom
I noticed that glabels is broken on i386 because it's not binary NMU safe, and someone did a binary NMU. After poking around a bit, I found http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2005/11/msg0.html, which discussed a possible solution to this problem. Since then, we have changed the version

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:36:43PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: would it be usefull if the Ubuntu Maintainer would add a 'ubuntu-specific' usertag to those bugs in the Ubuntu BTS as a way of telling Debian folks (as well as others) that they

Does it sometimes happen that people send mails before NMU ?

2006-01-15 Thread Mike Hommey
There have been 2 NMUs on libxml2 in a week and I never got a message beforehand. Now I wonder if that practice has disappeared somehow. I admit I've not spent enough time for libxml2 recently, but still, I wouldn't have been bothered by some poking beforehand. Moreover, I'm not exactly sure the

Bug#348300: ITP: pywireless -- basic wireless connection monitor with DCOP support

2006-01-15 Thread Marcela Tiznado
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Marcela Tiznado [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: pywireless Version : 3.2 Upstream Author : S.Çaglar Onur [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://svn.uludag.org.tr/viewcvs/PyWireless/ * License : GPL Description : basic

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Kevin Mark wrote: There's no Ubuntu maintainer for a specific package... packages in Universe are sometimes uploaded by several different person. Hi Rapael, So WHO exactly would you expect Ubuntu folks to think to email with requests? The result by experience is

Re: Does it sometimes happen that people send mails before NMU ?

2006-01-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There have been 2 NMUs on libxml2 in a week and I never got a message beforehand. Now I wonder if that practice has disappeared somehow. I admit I've not spent enough time for libxml2 recently, but still, I wouldn't have been bothered by some poking

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Joey Hess wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: This is only the latest expression of the same general discontent which has been rehashed again and again on this list. A year ago it was Ubuntu aren't contributing, then Ubuntu aren't contributing in the right way, and now

Re: Does it sometimes happen that people send mails before NMU ?

2006-01-15 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Mike, On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 07:47:52AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: There have been 2 NMUs on libxml2 in a week and I never got a message beforehand. Now I wonder if that practice has disappeared somehow. I admit I've not spent enough time for libxml2 recently, but still, I wouldn't have

Accepted libktoblzcheck 1.9-1 (source i386)

2006-01-15 Thread Thomas Viehmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:47:15 +0100 Source: libktoblzcheck Binary: libktoblzcheck1c2a libktoblzcheck-bin libktoblzcheck1-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.9-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL

Accepted glibc 2.3.5-12 (source i386 all)

2006-01-15 Thread Denis Barbier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:54:16 +0100 Source: glibc Binary: libc6-dev-amd64 libc6-i686 libc6-dev-ppc64 libc0.3-pic glibc-doc libc1-udeb libc0.3 libc6.1-dev libc1-pic libc6-s390x libnss-files-udeb libc1-dbg libc6-dev-sparc64 libc0.3-dev

Accepted klog 0.3.2-2 (source powerpc)

2006-01-15 Thread Jaime Robles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:25:03 +0100 Source: klog Binary: klog Architecture: source powerpc Version: 0.3.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jaime Robles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Jaime Robles [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted root-portal 0.5.2-2 (source i386)

2006-01-15 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:25:25 +0100 Source: root-portal Binary: root-portal Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.5.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL

Accepted ktrack 0.3.0-alpha1-7 (source powerpc)

2006-01-15 Thread Jaime Robles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:16:08 + Source: ktrack Binary: ktrack Architecture: source powerpc Version: 0.3.0-alpha1-7 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jaime Robles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Jaime Robles [EMAIL

Accepted xdialog 2.0.6-4 (source i386)

2006-01-15 Thread LENART Janos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:15:02 +0100 Source: xdialog Binary: xdialog Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.0.6-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: LENART Janos [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted matchbox-panel 0.9.2-3 (source i386)

2006-01-15 Thread Moray Allan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:57:48 + Source: matchbox-panel Binary: matchbox-panel Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.2-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Moray Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Moray Allan [EMAIL

Accepted wmcalclock 1.25-10 (source i386)

2006-01-15 Thread Gordon Fraser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:03:20 +0100 Source: wmcalclock Binary: wmcalclock Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.25-10 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gordon Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Gordon Fraser [EMAIL

Accepted wmcb 0.2-3 (source i386)

2006-01-15 Thread Gordon Fraser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:11:37 +0100 Source: wmcb Binary: wmcb Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.2-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gordon Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Gordon Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted zoem 06-010-1 (source i386 all)

2006-01-15 Thread Joost van Baal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:16:53 +0100 Source: zoem Binary: zoem-doc zoem Architecture: source i386 all Version: 06-010-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Joost van Baal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Joost van Baal [EMAIL

Accepted matchbox-desktop 0.9.1-3 (source i386)

2006-01-15 Thread Moray Allan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:15:29 + Source: matchbox-desktop Binary: matchbox-desktop matchbox-desktop-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.1-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Moray Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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