Hello Joey,
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Joey Hess wrote:
Leaving ubuntu out of this, what puzzles me about your message, Raphael,
is this:
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
If you have some uploads pending, and would like to see those packages
included [...]
If for whatever reason you don't want to
On 1/16/06, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I don't disagree with this sentiment, keep in mind that Debian
itself is sometimes guilty of adding changes to packages when the
upstream may or may not approve. Of course, we'll justify by saying
that users want it, or that
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:31:10PM -0800, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi Mike,
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 07:47:52AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
There have been 2 NMUs on libxml2 in a week and I never got a message
beforehand. Now I wonder if that practice has disappeared somehow.
Theodore Ts'o [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 03:12:33PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Actually, upstream maintainers have no voice before the technical
committee, which exists to resolve disputes between Debian developers,
not between Debian developers and outsiders.
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Riccardo Setti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: dhcdbd
Version : 0.1.10
Upstream Author : Jason Vas Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://people.redhat.com/jvdias/dhcdbd/
* License : GPL
Description : dbus
On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 09:41 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
Yes, it's my fault i didn't tag the bug or sent any feedback, but I'm
actually trying to find a better solution than removing the files, with
upstream cooperation, considering that upstream adds new testcases quite
often, and that any
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: mozilla-bookmarksync
Version : 1.0.2
Upstream Author : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL or Web page :
* License : MPL 1.1/GPL 2.0/LGPL 2.1
Description : Mozilla Firefox extension to synchronize bookmarks
Bookmarks
(M-F-T set.)
[Frans Jessop]
When somebody wants to become a DD he is told ?Go find a package to
maintain, one that you can be the maintainer for.? I see serious
problems with this approach as Debian increases in DD's. I will how
this is in a second. What I think should be emphasized is
[Ken Bloom]
$substvar{'Source-Version'}= $fi{L Version};
+#Indep-Version is for supporting binary NMUs when a strict
+#version dependancy is required against an arch independant package
+$substvar{'Indep-Version'}= $fi{L Version};
+#strip out the +bN format binary NMU
Theodore Ts'o wrote:
I can give a couple of examples; one is way back when, before I took
over the maintenance of the e2fsprogs package, and was merely the
upstream author. The then maintainer of e2fsprogs attempted to add
support for filesystems 2GB, but botched the job, and the result was
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:41:12AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
Well, no, but the fact that it's a longstanding release-critical bug, with
no maintainer response, means that it does warrant NMUer attention. If some
non-free files have been missed in the process, that would be bad, but that
Package: wnpp
Followup-For: Bug #338694
Owner: Marco Bertorello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: denyhosts
Version : 1.1.4
Upstream Author : Phil Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net
* License : GPL
Description : simple
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 08:34:07PM +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:41:12AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
Well, no, but the fact that it's a longstanding release-critical bug, with
no maintainer response, means that it does warrant NMUer attention.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:07:58PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:00:41PM +0100, Jesus Climent wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 07:31:17PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
and this answers IMHO what the maintainer wants a patch for: a system
that would work with all download
On Monday 16 January 2006 10:41, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:31:10PM -0800, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, no, but the fact that it's a longstanding release-critical bug,
with no maintainer response, means that it does warrant NMUer attention.
Yes, it's my fault
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 12:44:01AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
I think this is not quite true. In any case, my recollection was that
the bad cooperation was a two-way street, with you being extremely
reluctant to acknowledge the concerns and needs of distributions, and
on the other
Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Ken Bloom]
$substvar{'Source-Version'}= $fi{L Version};
+#Indep-Version is for supporting binary NMUs when a strict
+#version dependancy is required against an arch independant package
+$substvar{'Indep-Version'}= $fi{L Version};
+#strip out the +bN
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 12:06:29PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
Theodore Ts'o wrote:
I can give a couple of examples; one is way back when, before I took
over the maintenance of the e2fsprogs package, and was merely the
upstream author. The then maintainer of e2fsprogs attempted to add
Hi all
Please let me know if there is other appropriate mailing list to
report this problem. I am looking at the package gerris. This package
has a FTBFS bug reported (along with a patch) against it 300 days ago.
The bug report can be found at
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 01:36:18PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
Fixing RC bugs just for the sake of making the RC bug count down is not
the best thing to do IMHO.
Putting a temporary fix in place while a permanent one continues to be
worked out is /exactly/ the right thing to do.
Putting
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 11:35:17PM +1000, Anthony Towns
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote:
If you've got more information than is in the bug report, that's fine; add
it to the bug report, and do whatever else is appropriate to fix the problem.
Closing reports without fixing real bugs isn't fine,
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Stephen Quinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: libyaml-syck-perl
Version : 0.28
Upstream Author : Audrey Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL :
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/A/AU/AUTRIJUS/YAML-Syck-0.28.tar.gz
* License :
Russ Allbery wrote:
Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ Allbery wrote:
The thing is... most of the orphaned packages are in fairly good shape.
How do you know?
Well, because at one point I went through the PTS for each one of them,
checked for filed bugs, checked lintian reports,
hi everybody
a new version of mplayer 1.0pre7try2 is available ; add either
for the etch version, the line
deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/etch ./
or
for the sarge version, the line
deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge ./
to /etc/apt/source.list .
a.
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: collatinus
Version : 7.13
Upstream Author : Yves Ouvrard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.collatinus.org
* License : GPL
Description : lemmatisation of latin
Theodore Ts'o [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 12:44:01AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
I think this is not quite true. In any case, my recollection was that
the bad cooperation was a two-way street, with you being extremely
reluctant to acknowledge the concerns and
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:25:58AM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
Hi all
Please let me know if there is other appropriate mailing list to
report this problem. I am looking at the package gerris. This package
has a FTBFS bug reported (along with a patch) against it 300 days ago.
The
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 03:42:54PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:25:58AM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
Hi all
Please let me know if there is other appropriate mailing list to
report this problem. I am looking at the package gerris. This package
has a FTBFS
Hi,
Mike Hommey:
The patch was 8 minutes prior to the NMU.
I'm sorry about that, I had misinterpreted the 0-day NMU policy.
By the way, does anybody have a recommendation on how long the delay
between an NMU patch and upload should be?
(Please CC me on replies.)
--
Pelle
--
To
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 08:51:12AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hello Joey,
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Joey Hess wrote:
Leaving ubuntu out of this, what puzzles me about your message, Raphael,
is this:
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
If you have some uploads pending, and would like to see those
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Lorenzo Martignoni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: python-pynids
Version : 0.5
Upstream Author : Michael J. Pomraning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://pilcrow.madison.wi.us/pynids/
* License : GPL
Description : a
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:08:41AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:34:51PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
can easily spot the holes in it. Likewise, a proposal that Ubuntu
developers should put their changes into Debian instead sounds simple, but
to an Ubuntu
* A Mennucc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
hi everybody
a new version of mplayer 1.0pre7try2 is available ; add either
for the etch version, the line
deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/etch ./
or
for the sarge version, the line
deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge ./
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Not really... it happens quite often that I plan on working on a new
upstream version (or whatever) but for various reasons, I do not prioritze
it much because I know I will do it in time for etch...
I think that nearly anyone on the release team will tell you that this
Matthew Palmer wrote:
It's a hell of a lot better than having useless crap with your
name on it in a stable release of something as high profile as Ubuntu,
though.
FYI, I refuse to allow the fact that my code happens to be present in
a currently perceived as high profile distribution to hold
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 06:27:40PM +0100, A Mennucc wrote:
hi everybody
a new version of mplayer 1.0pre7try2 is available ; add either
for the etch version, the line
deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/etch ./
or
for the sarge version, the line
deb
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Not really... it happens quite often that I plan on working on a new
upstream version (or whatever) but for various reasons, I do not prioritze
it much because I know I will do it in time for etch... however I may be
interested to have that better version in Ubuntu as
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Only Debian developers can push changes into Debian, and indeed only
particular Debian developers can push particular changes into Debian.
Routing patches through this mesh involves a lot of overhead, especially in
the form of latency. It's commonplace in Debian to wait
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 02:59:58AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
It's not about succeeding. It's about false statements all the time,
like Every Debian developer is also an Ubuntu developer. If I were I
would know. And they are recompiling all my packages, so you can't even
say that they are
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 05:09:44PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
Hmm, it seems to me that Ubuntu has recently changed its practices
regarding what degree of divergence from Debian is appropriate, notably
in the introduction of the MOTU group.
The MOTU team was formed
Hi
Could we stop the flaming period? Like - forever? And come back to
normal development, making the best distribution on this small planet.
Please remember that we have a Code of Conduct for our lists, which
includes nice things like
# Do not use foul language;
# Try not to flame; it is not
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 06:44:42PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
It's amazing how the Debian project manages to communicate fixes to
an even more diverse set of upstream authors, isn't it.
I would be interested to know how you've measured this, because it sounds
hard. It's only because Ubuntu
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 02:59:58AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
It's not about succeeding. It's about false statements all the time,
like Every Debian developer is also an Ubuntu developer. If I were I
would know. And they are recompiling all my packages, so you
David Nusinow wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:25:58AM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
Hi all
Please let me know if there is other appropriate mailing list to
report this problem. I am looking at the package gerris. This package
has a FTBFS bug reported (along with a patch) against it
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 06:58:47PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 05:09:44PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
Hmm, it seems to me that Ubuntu has recently changed its practices
regarding what degree of divergence from Debian is appropriate, notably
in the
On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 19:21 -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
but I agree with it. I would also say that Debian's upstreams are, in the
same sense, Debian developers.
I think that we probably have hundreds of upstreams who would react with
everything from disbelief to anger if Debian claimed that
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The ratio of Debian developers to upstream developers is *much* closer to
1:1 than the ratio of Ubuntu developers to Debian developers, but even so,
my guess (based on at least some empirical observation of packages I'm
familiar with) is that many of
Matt Zimmerman writes:
Is the meaning of this statement truly unclear to you...
Every Debian developer is also an Ubuntu developer implies to me that I
can make uploads to Ubuntu. I can't (not that I'm asking for that
privilege). I don't doubt that it was meant as an expression of gratitude
Joey Hess wrote:
Bill Allombert wrote:
Although sarge's aptitude did..
I don't know, there were no ways to upgrade to sarge's aptitude.
The bug log contains a log of astronut doing the upgrade with sarge's
aptitude..
I think the bigger problem is not whether it's possible
A Mennucc wrote:
hi everybody
a new version of mplayer 1.0pre7try2 is available ; add either
for the etch version, the line
deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/etch ./
Hi!
Now we have mplayer in this repositories:
http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/etch
* Per Olofsson [Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:11:05 +0100]:
Hi,
Mike Hommey:
The patch was 8 minutes prior to the NMU.
I'm sorry about that, I had misinterpreted the 0-day NMU policy.
My reading of the NMU policy as set by the release team is that it's
okay to upload right after sending the
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
I think that you're looking for justification for your position after the
fact, rather than making judgements based on observations.
I've written at length in my blog before about the mess that Ubuntu
made of packages that I maintain in Debian. This mess seemed to become
I have replied to the implied ad-hominem in Matt's mail privately, but I
would like the state here that I didn't appreciate it.
--
see shy jo
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Description: Digital signature
I saw today that the python-minimal package in unstable is tagged as
Essential (and currently pulls in python2.3). According to policy,
this is supposed to happen only after discussion on debian-devel and
consensus is reached, but I couldn't find that discussion in the list
archives.
--
Eric
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 06:58:47PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 05:09:44PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
Hmm, it seems to me that Ubuntu has recently changed its practices
regarding what degree of divergence from Debian is appropriate, notably
in the
Ken Bloom wrote:
I noticed that glabels is broken on i386 because it's not binary NMU
safe, and someone did a binary NMU.
After poking around a bit, I found
http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2005/11/msg0.html, which
discussed a possible solution to this problem. Since then, we have
Ken Bloom wrote:
Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Ken Bloom]
$substvar{'Source-Version'}= $fi{L Version};
+#Indep-Version is for supporting binary NMUs when a strict
+#version dependancy is required against an arch independant package
+$substvar{'Indep-Version'}= $fi{L Version};
+
[Adam M.]
Instead of doing blind substitutions like it is done currently, it is
possible to separate Arch:all from Arch:any|other|whatever in the
substitution script such that,
Source-Version = bin NMU version for binaries that are build
Source-Version = 'original' version for Arch:all
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:45:29PM -0500, Eric Cooper wrote:
I saw today that the python-minimal package in unstable is tagged as
Essential (and currently pulls in python2.3). According to policy,
this is supposed to happen only after discussion on debian-devel and
consensus is reached, but I
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:53:04PM -0600, Adam M. wrote:
Ken Bloom wrote:
I noticed that glabels is broken on i386 because it's not binary NMU
safe, and someone did a binary NMU.
After poking around a bit, I found
http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2005/11/msg0.html, which
also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.01.17.0039 +0100]:
Ubuntu is a Debian derivative. The work that Debian developers do is merged
into Ubuntu as well. Most of the source packages in Ubuntu are identical to
the ones in Debian. The statement that you quoted is an expression of
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