Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-01-20 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I completely agree, and hereby question whether the secretary is capable of being impartial in this case given his

Work-needing packages report for Jan 20, 2006

2006-01-20 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 187 (new: 20) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 99 (new: 6) Total number of packages

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:10:54AM +0100, JanC wrote: On 1/17/06, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about renaming Maintainer to Debian-Maintainer in Ubuntu's binary packages, and having a specific Ubuntu-Maintainer? This should probably happen in a way that all (or most)

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2006-01-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 20:49 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] (And really, data about which mirrors would be dropped would help: maybe we can buy *them* a disk. Disks are cheap!) Unless the shelf is full, there's no more plugs left on

Re: Obsolete packages in Experimental

2006-01-20 Thread Jérôme Warnier
Le jeudi 19 janvier 2006 à 16:38 +, Adam D. Barratt a écrit : On Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:35 AM, Jérôme Warnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After the last update of OOo in Sid (aka Unstable), I wonder if it is generally considered acceptable to keep obsolete packages in

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2006-01-20 Thread Alberta Vera
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Re: Obsolete packages in Experimental

2006-01-20 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Jérôme Warnier] Or even better: a list of all packages already installed on my system which have an experimental version? There might be a better way, but assuming you have experimental in your sources.list... t=$(tempfile); awk $t '/^Package:/{print ^ $2 $}' \

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Thomas Hood
Matt Zimmerman wrote: The compromise we struck with upstream was that we would not give the user a system with a broken Python. So upstream objects to the separate packaging of python-minimal unless all of python is installed when python-minimal is installed (which in Ubuntu's case is: always)

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 05:58:20PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 01:47:18PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 09:23:30PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: * Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-19

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Matthias Klose
Joe Wreschnig writes: On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 12:12 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: I don't know what's actually in (or more importantly not in) python2.4-minimal though. I'm eyeballing right now. Things that jump out at me: * No character encoding, translation, or locale handling. * A

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 05:58:20PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: For what it's worth, we've caught hell from the ruby community for breaking the standard library in to its component parts and not installing it all by default. This problem has been largely abrogated as of late, but I'd rather not

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Matthias Klose
Joey Hess writes: Colin Watson wrote: FWIW the relevant design docs from when this was done in Ubuntu are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EssentialPython (requirements) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PythonInEssential (details) The rationale for the set of included modules is in the

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-20 Thread Thomas Hood
I wrote: Suppose Ubuntu were to cease claiming[0] that it gives back to Debian. Would everyone be happy then? I doubt it. [0] Here: http://ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship?highlight=%28debian%29 there's a claim that they send their bugfixes to the Debian developers responsible for that

Re: statement from one of the klik project members [was: The klik project and Debian]

2006-01-20 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Wouter Verhelst wrote: /tmp/app/1/image /tmp/app/1 cramfs,iso9660 user,noauto,ro,loop,exec 0 0 Doesn't this introduce a local root exploit? A user can easily write their own /tmp/app/1/image file which contains, say, a setuid root bash executable. Yes,

Re: APT public key updates?

2006-01-20 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 07:35:27AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: However, we don't have to do this annually; with a 2048-bit key, replacing every five years and generating the new key one year before the old one expires should be safe at present. That's true for the crypto strength issue,

Re: Backports

2006-01-20 Thread John Gee
So is it safer for me to use backports or to get ubdated software from testing? Which will be more stable on my stable system? _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!

Re: Obsolete packages in Experimental

2006-01-20 Thread Michal Politowski
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:34:11 +0100, Jérôme Warnier wrote: [...] BTW, is there a way to list all packages in experimental? aptitude search '~Aexperimental' Or even better: a list of all packages already installed on my system which have an experimental version? aptitude search

Re: Obsolete packages in Experimental

2006-01-20 Thread Paul Brossier
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 04:09:28AM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Jérôme Warnier] Or even better: a list of all packages already installed on my system which have an experimental version? There might be a better way, but assuming you have experimental in your sources.list... aptitude

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Christian Marillat
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: aj@azure.humbug.org.au: [...] Contrast rte, where the ftpmasters told Marillat exactly what he needed to remove to get the package in Debian, and he didn't do it, and declared that he would keep uploading it. Leaving *that* in limbo is totally

Re: Re: Re: statement from one of the klik project members [was: The klik project and Debian]

2006-01-20 Thread Kurt Pfeifle
Wouter Verhelst wrote on debian-devel@lists.debian.org: [Re-adding Cc to Kurt, as he's mentioned he isn't subscribed] On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 01:20:26PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: Kurt Pfeifle wrote: The klik client installation needs root privileges once, to add 7 lines like this

Re: KD-Tree library

2006-01-20 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Jacob Bensabat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.01.20.1703 +0100]: Do you know about an implementation of libkdtree that works with MS visual C++ (6.0 or 7.*) ? No. My library is ANSI C++ compatible. If MSVC can't handle that, there's another reaons why I've successfully avoided it for the

Re: Understanding the GFDL GR proposal and amendment

2006-01-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I would like to throw my hat in the ring to try to clarify to y'all what I believe the GR and amendments are doing, and which may explain why the ballot is shaping up the way it is -- and that involves the release tea decision that the GFDL is non-free. I am currently

Re: KD-Tree library

2006-01-20 Thread Jacob Bensabat
Hi Do you know about an implementation of libkdtree that works with MS visual C++ (6.0 or 7.*) ? thanks Jacob Bensabat, Ph.D.EWRE Ltd.PO Box 6770, Haifa 31067, IsraelTel: 972-4-838-3919Mobile: 972-54-441-7511Fax: 972-4-838-7621

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10540 March 1977, Christian Marillat wrote: Contrast rte, where the ftpmasters told Marillat exactly what he needed to remove to get the package in Debian, and he didn't do it, and declared that he would keep uploading it. Leaving *that* in limbo is totally reasonable. I've *never*

Re: Derived distributions and the Maintainer: field

2006-01-20 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they are also compiled with a toolchain unchanged from Debian, the binaries can legitimately have the same Maintainer: field as in Debian, because they are essentially the same package. If not, the binary packages should have different

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I wrote: Contrast rte, where the ftpmasters told Marillat exactly what he needed to remove to get the package in Debian, and he didn't do it, and declared that he would keep uploading it. Leaving *that* in limbo is totally reasonable. Christian Marillat wrote: I've *never* received any

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Christian Marillat
Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10540 March 1977, Christian Marillat wrote: Contrast rte, where the ftpmasters told Marillat exactly what he needed to remove to get the package in Debian, and he didn't do it, and declared that he would keep uploading it. Leaving *that* in limbo

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 10:38:08PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Ok, but now I'm confused: why is python-minimal needed in Essential? Why not simply depend on it straightforwardly? Because there are parts of the packaging system where there is no way to express such a dependency

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 10:32:06AM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: I'll assume that python2.4-minimal Recommending: python2.4 won't be enough. I'd imagine not. How about this? The current python2.4-minimal package contains /usr/bin/python2.4. We would move this to /usr/lib/python2.4/interpreter

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: mplayer has had an explicit warning from upstream that it's patented; The proposed tarball for Debian has stuff excised left and right in order to guarantee legality. Just check that the patented stuff was excised, right? Alternatively, I would be quite happy with

Re: Derived distributions and the Maintainer: field

2006-01-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to require a standard of attribution in the Maintainer field that Debian does not itself follow in our default procedures. To wit: NMUs _within_ Debian keep the Maintainer field unchanged Good point. If Ubuntu wishes to keep the Maintainer field

Re: Derived distributions and the Maintainer: field

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:12:39PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to require a standard of attribution in the Maintainer field that Debian does not itself follow in our default procedures. To wit: NMUs _within_ Debian keep the Maintainer field

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:22:53AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 10:38:08PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Ok, but now I'm confused: why is python-minimal needed in Essential? Why not simply depend on it straightforwardly? Because there are parts of the packaging

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:40:55AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: I asked this question earlier, and no one answered. Are there .config scripts being written in python today in Ubuntu? (Hmm, where are the python bindings for debconf, and what ensures that they're installed?) No, not yet. The

Re: Bug#348775: general: terminal emulators' alternatives settings' priorities annoy users

2006-01-20 Thread Simon Richter
Hello, Loïc Minier wrote: Rationale: you don't want to see konqueror launched as the default browser in GNOME but you want GNOME to be integrated with Debian. Ah, I remember that one as well. It is simple to extend this scheme with: - gnome-www-browser for browsers with GNOME support

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian, Maintainer means An individual or group of people primarily responsible for the on-going well being of a package. As I understand it, in Ubuntu, the MOTUs have

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060119 13:15]: you are able to do init.d scripts, pre- and postinsts etc in python. That is a ease of development helper for ubuntu. how agressive does debian use it's perl in this regard? i think hardly at all. Well, set a locale you did not (yet)

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Frank Küster
Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /usr/lib/python2.4/interpreter. Packages that currently Depend on python but use only minimal functionality could Depend on python-minimal but they would have to run python using /usr/lib/python/interpreter. The stripped down python interpreter would be

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:52:09AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:40:55AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: I asked this question earlier, and no one answered. Are there .config scripts being written in python today in Ubuntu? (Hmm, where are the python bindings for

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian, Maintainer means An individual or group of people primarily responsible for the on-going well being

Re: statement from one of the klik project members [was: The klik project and Debian]

2006-01-20 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060120 13:31]: user implies noexec, nosuid, and nodev unless overridden by subsequent options according to the mount(8) manpage. Please always keep in mind that this only reduces the chance, but still keeps the possibility for holes open. (Like noexec could

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Joey Hess
Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 03:34:58PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: If we followed the same method for python-base, then we would a) instroduce python-base iff we had some package(s) written in python that we wanted in the base system (apt-listchanges comes to mind) b)

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Joey Hess
Kevin Mark wrote: Giving away code (GPL or otherwise) to the world is done for many reasons. Aparently some folks are more concerned about how their work is used. As with the attribution in .debs, folks want the users to not associate possible (as judged by them) 'bad'/'unofficial'/'off

Bug#349055: ITP: python-imdbpy -- Python package to access the IMDb's movie database

2006-01-20 Thread Ana Guerrero
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ana Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: python-imdbpy Version : 2.3 Upstream Author : Davide Alberani da at erlug linux it * URL : http://imdbpy.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Description : Python

Re: klik, loop mounts, and insecurity [was: statement from one of the klik project members]

2006-01-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 03:59:23PM +, Kurt Pfeifle wrote: Wouter Verhelst wrote on debian-devel@lists.debian.org: [Re-adding Cc to Kurt, as he's mentioned he isn't subscribed] On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 01:20:26PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: Kurt Pfeifle wrote: The klik client

Re: sarcastic

2006-01-20 Thread Ambrose Al
dread When I explained my altered position to you, sir, I began again, pus uncomfortable state, and with a warm shooting all over me, as if my marquis You are very much to blame, sir, said Mr. Spenlow, walking to and involuntary saying that perhaps I should consult his feelings best by

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: In practice, it doesn't work out to mean the same thing, however. Most of the packages in universe are maintained only by the Debian maintainer, and The thing is

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian, Maintainer means An individual

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:35:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Arg, and to make matters worse, this discussion is CCed to a closed-moderated-list, Matt, this is really not a friendly way to have a conversation. I didn't add the CC to ubuntu-motu, nor the one to debian-project. I've merely

Re: klik, loop mounts, and insecurity [was: statement from one of the klik project members]

2006-01-20 Thread Sam Morris
Matthew Palmer wrote: The klik client installation needs root privileges once, to add 7 lines like this one to /etc/fstab: /tmp/app/1/image /tmp/app/1 cramfs,iso9660 user,noauto,ro,loop,exec 0 0 Doesn't this introduce a local root exploit? A user can easily write their own /tmp/app/1/image

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian, Maintainer means An individual or group of people primarily responsible for the on-going well being

Bug#349064: ITP: flash-plugin -- installer for Macromedia Flash Plugin

2006-01-20 Thread Bart Martens
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: flash-plugin Version : 7.0.61.1 Upstream Author : Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://members.chello.be/ws35943/flash-plugin/ * License : GPL Description :

Re: Re: klik, loop mounts, and insecurity [was: statement from one of the klik project members]

2006-01-20 Thread Kurt Pfeifle
Please try man mount. If your manpage is similar to mine, it will contain something like: snip -- OPTIONS user Allow an ordinary user to mount the file system. The name of the mounting user is written to

Re: klik, loop mounts, and insecurity [was: statement from one of the klik project members]

2006-01-20 Thread Joey Hess
Sam Morris wrote: If suidperl does not ensure that the scripts it interprets have the suid bit set, then shouldn't a critical bug be filed? The nosuid mount option does not cause the suid bit to be unset, it causes the kernel to not honor it when executing binaries. This doesn't work for

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:13:31AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian, Maintainer means An

Re: klik, loop mounts, and insecurity [was: statement from one of the klik project members]

2006-01-20 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Sam Morris wrote: AFAIK Linux only supports eight loopback mounts at a time. This won't be a problem once FUSE becomes more widespread. The default is 8; by seting the max_loop kernel option, you can increase this to 256. Don Armstrong -- You have many years to live--do

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10540 March 1977, Christian Marillat wrote: Right, you've got a list of reasons why it got rejected and half of that is still true. I still don't see why rte can't enter in main, when ffmpeg is already in main and does the same. Two bads doesnt make one good, so we stay with one

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:41:49PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:13:31AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: By way of example, the Debian maintainer is equipped to answer questions like why is the package

Re: Backports

2006-01-20 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Andreas Schuldei wrote: * Norbert Tretkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-19 17:38:45]: * Andreas Schuldei wrote: i remember a conversation where you pointed out some principal problems (security support, manpower) but in general were in favour of the idea and prefered fixing those.

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 22:29 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: On 10540 March 1977, Christian Marillat wrote: Right, you've got a list of reasons why it got rejected and half of that is still true. I still don't see why rte can't enter in main, when ffmpeg is already in main and does

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:31:44AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: All you'll get is the loud minority having a whinge then, no matter what the outcome. It will certainly beat the hell out of continuing this thread. -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Implicition declarations of functions and bugs

2006-01-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hi, In buildd logs, I could find several test.c:3: warning: implicit declaration of function 'f' warnings This can be very problematic on 64bits architectures such as AMD64: test.c: #include stdio.h int main(void) { printf(%p\n,f(-1)); return 0; } test2.c: #include stdio.h void

Re: Implicition declarations of functions and bugs

2006-01-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Samuel Thibault, le Fri 20 Jan 2006 23:15:11 +0100, a écrit : Maybe the debian policy should require -Werror-implicit-function-declaration in CFLAGS so as to avoid such issue? Or buildds could check for implicit declaration of function warnings. Regards, Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 01:40:11PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:31:44AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: All you'll get is the loud minority having a whinge then, no matter what the outcome. It will certainly beat the hell out of continuing this thread. It will just

Re: Implicition declarations of functions and bugs

2006-01-20 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:19:58PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: Samuel Thibault, le Fri 20 Jan 2006 23:15:11 +0100, a écrit : Maybe the debian policy should require -Werror-implicit-function-declaration in CFLAGS so as to avoid such issue? Or buildds could check for implicit declaration

Re: Implicition declarations of functions and bugs

2006-01-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In buildd logs, I could find several test.c:3: warning: implicit declaration of function 'f' warnings This can be very problematic on 64bits architectures such as AMD64: Yes, and definitely maintainers should clean this up when they see it unless

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 02:05:40PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 03:34:58PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: If we followed the same method for python-base, then we would a) instroduce python-base iff we had some package(s) written in python that

Re: Implicition declarations of functions and bugs

2006-01-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Kurt Roeckx, le Fri 20 Jan 2006 23:56:22 +0100, a écrit : On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:19:58PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: Samuel Thibault, le Fri 20 Jan 2006 23:15:11 +0100, a écrit : Maybe the debian policy should require -Werror-implicit-function-declaration in CFLAGS so as to avoid

Re: Implicition declarations of functions and bugs

2006-01-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kurt Roeckx, le Fri 20 Jan 2006 23:56:22 +0100, a écrit : But this really is the maintainer of the package that should look at this. I don't think it's up to the buildd's maintainers to go and look for this type of bugs. Ok, but maintainers don't

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 10:54:40AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:35:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Arg, and to make matters worse, this discussion is CCed to a closed-moderated-list, Matt, this is really not a friendly way to have a conversation. I didn't add

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 10:46:51AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: In practice, it doesn't work out to mean the same thing, however. Most of the packages in universe

Re: Implicition declarations of functions and bugs

2006-01-20 Thread Steve Greenland
On 20-Jan-06, 16:55 (CST), Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and definitely maintainers should clean this up when they see it unless they know it's safe. On the other hand, *most* of the cases of this warning in my experience are harmless because the function returns an int. It's

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-01-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Christopher Martin wrote: Therefore, no modification of the DFSG would be required after the passage of the amendment, since it would have been decided by the developers that there was no inconsistency. If a simple majority can yell, there is no inconsistency then the 3:1 requirement has

Re: Backports

2006-01-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Joseph Smidt wrote: I provide these files without any warranty. Use them at your own risk. If one of these packages eats your cat or your rabbit, kills your neighbour, or burns your fridge, don't bother me. Well, perhaps you should read the following, printed whenever you log in to your

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:08:39PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: mplayer has had an explicit warning from upstream that it's patented; The proposed tarball for Debian has stuff excised left and right in order to guarantee legality. Just check that the patented

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-01-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:45:26 -0500, Christopher Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So let's start again. Let's say that someone tried put forward a new amendment in place of the old. This amendment makes clear its intention to assert the position of the Debian Project as viewing the GFDL, minus

Re: Backports

2006-01-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Joseph Smidt wrote: Were you writing this just to ridicule me? No, not at all. It was just supposed to be a joke. I appologize; I should have been clearer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Backports

2006-01-20 Thread Joseph Smidt
On 1/20/06, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph Smidt wrote:Well, perhaps you should read the following, printed whenever you log into your Debian machine:Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extentpermitted by applicable law. Hey, without any warranty is at

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 06:06:36AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:08:39PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: mplayer has had an explicit warning from upstream that it's patented; The proposed tarball for Debian has stuff excised left and

Re: Backports

2006-01-20 Thread Joseph Smidt
Joseph Smidt wrote: Were you writing thisjust to ridiculeme?No, not at all. It was just supposed to be a joke.I appologize; I should have been clearer. I'm sorry I lashed back. I know it was supposed to be a joke. So I need to apoligize too. Humer is good, laughter is the best medicine.

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-20 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au [2006-01-21 06:06:36]: No, we have real problems with video codec stuff in Debian and they need to be resolved thoroughly, not expediently. i was under the impression that the ftp-master team had started to work on that several month ago, shortly before

Accepted ssystem 1.6-15.1 (source powerpc)

2006-01-20 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:50:31 +0100 Source: ssystem Binary: ssystem Architecture: source powerpc Version: 1.6-15.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Marc 'HE'

Accepted rsjog 1.1-4.1 (source i386)

2006-01-20 Thread Christoph Berg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:01:24 +0100 Source: rsjog Binary: rsjog Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.1-4.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Yu Guanghui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted timeoutd 1.5-10 (source i386)

2006-01-20 Thread Dennis Stampfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:39:25 +0100 Source: timeoutd Binary: timeoutd Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.5-10 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Dennis Stampfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Dennis Stampfer [EMAIL

Accepted goobox 0.9.91-1.1 (source i386)

2006-01-20 Thread Steve Langasek
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:45:33 -0800 Source: goobox Binary: goobox Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.91-1.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Dan Korostelev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted linphone 1.2.0-3 (source i386 all)

2006-01-20 Thread Samuel Mimram
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:42:23 +0100 Source: linphone Binary: linphone libortp2 liblinphone1 libortp2-dev liblinphone1-dev linphone-nox linphone-common Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1.2.0-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low

Accepted xdkcal 0.9d-2.1 (source i386)

2006-01-20 Thread Luk Claes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:47:11 +0100 Source: xdkcal Binary: xdkcal Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9d-2.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted slashem 0.0.7E6F3-4.2 (source powerpc)

2006-01-20 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:46:49 +0100 Source: slashem Binary: slashem-sdl slashem-gtk slashem-x11 slashem-common slashem Architecture: source powerpc Version: 0.0.7E6F3-4.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Marc 'HE'

Accepted ndiswrapper 1.8-1 (source i386 all)

2006-01-20 Thread Andres Salomon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:30:55 + Source: ndiswrapper Binary: ndiswrapper-source ndiswrapper-utils Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1.8-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted vice 1.16-4.1 (source i386)

2006-01-20 Thread Christoph Berg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:24:00 +0100 Source: vice Binary: vice Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.16-4.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Zed Pobre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted wmhdplop 0.9.7-1.1 (source powerpc)

2006-01-20 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:22:27 +0100 Source: wmhdplop Binary: wmhdplop gkrellm-hdplop Architecture: source powerpc Version: 0.9.7-1.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted psys 1.56-3.2 (source powerpc)

2006-01-20 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:02:45 +0100 Source: psys Binary: libpsys1 libpsys-dev Architecture: source powerpc Version: 1.56-3.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Marc 'HE'

Accepted rosegarden2 2.1pl4-2.1 (source powerpc)

2006-01-20 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:56:14 +0100 Source: rosegarden2 Binary: rosegarden2 Architecture: source powerpc Version: 2.1pl4-2.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Marc 'HE'

Accepted xpcd 2.08-11.2 (source powerpc)

2006-01-20 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:11:43 +0100 Source: xpcd Binary: xpcd-svga xpcd Architecture: source powerpc Version: 2.08-11.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Marc 'HE'

Accepted zope-tinytableplus 0.9-12 (source all)

2006-01-20 Thread Jonas Meurer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:23:19 +0100 Source: zope-tinytableplus Binary: zope-tinytable zope-tinytableplus Architecture: source all Version: 0.9-12 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted zope-cookiecrumbler 1.2-4 (source all)

2006-01-20 Thread Jonas Meurer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:19:40 +0100 Source: zope-cookiecrumbler Binary: zope-cookiecrumbler Architecture: source all Version: 1.2-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Jonas

Accepted nighthawk 1.0-15.1 (source powerpc)

2006-01-20 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:26:00 +0100 Source: nighthawk Binary: nighthawk Architecture: source powerpc Version: 1.0-15.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Marc 'HE'

Accepted zope-replacesupport 1.0.2-5 (source all)

2006-01-20 Thread Jonas Meurer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:15:14 +0100 Source: zope-replacesupport Binary: zope-replacesupport Architecture: source all Version: 1.0.2-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Jonas

Accepted zope-rdfgrabber 0.4-7 (source all)

2006-01-20 Thread Jonas Meurer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:20:47 +0100 Source: zope-rdfgrabber Binary: zope-rdfgrabber Architecture: source all Version: 0.4-7 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Jonas Meurer

Accepted zope-tinytableplus 0.9-13 (source all)

2006-01-20 Thread Jonas Meurer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:36:36 +0100 Source: zope-tinytableplus Binary: zope-tinytable zope-tinytableplus Architecture: source all Version: 0.9-13 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Zope team [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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