Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, as a QA effort the whole archive was rebuilt yesterday to catch build-failures, whether a package can be build twice in a row (unpack, build, clean, build). We found about 400 packages not having a sane clean target. To cite

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
Raphael Hertzog wrote / napísal(a): On Tue, 15 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote: Yes, bugs are unavoidable. However, testing is often in situation whole system broken or nearly useless. I see difference here; occassional bug in desktop app is acceptable. Whole system unreliable is not

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
Steve Greenland wrote / napísal(a): On 14-May-07, 07:55 (CDT), Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask somebody, what distro would he install at desktop for novice or M$ refugee? Why many are choosing Ubuntu instead of Debian, and even worse, abandon Debian in favor of Ubuntu? Why

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
In several mails you claimed testing as broken. This is completely orthognal to my experience. I'm using testing since its existence on most of my boxes. I use it on some boxes too, however, mostly the snapshots from the half-year before-stable period of time. Attempts to use much sooner

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote: Don't remember, not too much. However, if hundred of packages had broken deps, This statement is definitely wrong. where would You report the bug? I'm not too experienced with apt and I hate hacking around it. There is no need to hack around

Re: Getting Debian to use less power?

2007-05-16 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Christine Spang] I'll maintain powertop if you're looking to get rid of it. I have a new package for 1.2 sitting on my machine right now, just waiting to get an okay before I upload. Great to hear. I already got offers from Patrick Winnertz and Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, who plan to

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 08:10:44AM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: as a QA effort the whole archive was rebuilt yesterday to catch build-failures, whether a package can be build twice in a row (unpack, build, clean, build). We found about 400 packages not having a sane clean target. Wow,

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 09:11, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote: I'd say, half of problems with testing were connected to bugs in installer. This statement really wants some qualifications... The official releases (beta and RC) of the installer for testing have had no really serious bugs, though

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Wed May 16, 2007 at 10:11:55 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 08:10:44AM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: as a QA effort the whole archive was rebuilt yesterday to catch build-failures, whether a package can be build twice in a row (unpack, build, clean,

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I mean, packages that fail to build the second time have for sure garbage left around after the former invocation of clean. Not always. In some cases (for example, two of my packages) the error was to modify a .po file in place to update it. The

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different directories, build and clean in one dir and then compare the obtained tree with the tree available in the other dir? I personally store the diff.gz from first build and compare with

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Santiago Vila [Wed, 16 May 2007 10:52:02 +0200]: Not always. In some cases (for example, two of my packages) the error was to modify a .po file in place to update it. The second time you build the package, dpkg-source complains about the .mo files, as they are binary files and they have

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Richard Atterer
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 10:11:55AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different directories, build and clean in one dir and then compare the obtained tree with the tree available in the other dir? IMHO, a good test would be to build the

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 11:12:56AM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different directories, build and clean in one dir and then compare the obtained tree with the tree available in the other dir? IMHO, a good test would be to build the

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:52:02 +0200 (CEST) Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I mean, packages that fail to build the second time have for sure garbage left around after the former invocation of clean. Not always. In some cases (for

Re: Mysterious NMU (Bug #423455)

2007-05-16 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 10:05:56PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Well, the ~ character is stated to be evaluated to be less than the empty string. If a package is the target of a security upload in stable, you can be certain that the testing/unstable version will

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread paddy
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 11:21:51AM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 11:12:56AM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different directories, build and clean in one dir and then compare the obtained tree with the tree

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
Hi, Greg You took it quite actively. As many see, all of them are different in server and in desktop world, and many times Debian chooses to dictate the users we know the best what You need instead of listening to them. Why then are there 28000+ packages in Debian? If Debian only dictates,

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
I'm glad it works for You. Peter Greg Folkert wrote / napísal(a): On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 21:43 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote: We're going OT, however my experience based on last two Debian releases: testing becomes quite stable in means of

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
I don't have enough knowledge to do that. Peter David Nusinow wrote / napísal(a): On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 09:41:17AM +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote: The kernel, the X.org So are you volunteering to join the kernel and XSF teams to make this happen? - David Nusinow -- To

how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Neil Williams
How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? Is it acceptable to tag a bug pending when fixed upstream and the maintainer is confident of an upstream release in under a week? (This is easy for me, I'm also upstream in many cases. :-)) Does it depend on the severity of the bug?

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
Haven't heard how libtruetype security upgrade caused OpenOffice.org, Sorry, should be libfreetype Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Wednesday 16 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote: Do you realize Debian's stable is classified as this: Stable means stable package list. No changes in API and ABI names or versions. This means no newer versions will ever make it into stable. It is in

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all! On Mit, 16 Mai 2007, Santiago Vila wrote: Not always. In some cases (for example, two of my packages) the error was to modify a .po file in place to update it. The second time I agree. In texinfo I have the following problem - upstream ships po/*.gmo - debian patches patch the .po

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 01:12:30PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: On Wednesday 16 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote: Do you realize Debian's stable is classified as this: Stable means stable package list. No changes in API and ABI names or versions. This

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 12:50, Neil Williams wrote: How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? For me pending is a signal to users saying issue has been confirmed, solution is available and will be included with the next upload. It would IMO not be correct to mark a bug

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Wednesday 16 May 2007, Neil Williams wrote: How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? To me pending means, a fix is applied and will be in the next upload/release (hence no further triaging needed on this bug). It says nothing about when the upload with the fix will

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
Hi, Andreas Another hand, many problems were well-known by the time I met them, there wasn't need to report them again. So if there are really well-known many problems can you do me a favour and list one or two here? It's been in context, meant as many of those problems -a relative part of

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Norbert Preining wrote: Sounds like a hack. What do other say? There are different opinions about orig.tar.gz should be equal to upstream. I tend to the opinion that no precompiled stuff that can be builded by the source has to be in orig.tar.gz and in such cases I would

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Neil Williams wrote: How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? Time isn't the important metric, in my opinion. The question is whether the maintainer has fixed the bug (or believes they have fixed the bug) in their development environment and the fix

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Andreas Tille [Wed, 16 May 2007 13:27:54 +0200]: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Norbert Preining wrote: Sounds like a hack. What do other say? There are different opinions about orig.tar.gz should be equal to upstream. In case there is confusion, my original suggestion was to remove the files

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
Hi, Daniel When you talk about desktop users, I think you really mean novice consumers. Is that a fair assessment? In my experience, Debian can work just fine on the desktop in some situations, just not for novice home users. (think, e.g., about desktops for office workers) We have had

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Adeodato [utf-8] Simó wrote: There are different opinions about orig.tar.gz should be equal to upstream. In case there is confusion, my original suggestion was to remove the files from debian/rules ('clean' target), not to remove them from the orig tarball. I don't think

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Küster
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? Is it acceptable to tag a bug pending when fixed upstream and the maintainer is confident of an upstream release in under a week? (This is easy for me, I'm also upstream in many cases. :-))

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 16 mai 2007 à 13:15 +0200, Norbert Preining a écrit : On Mit, 16 Mai 2007, Adeodato Simó wrote: Deleting the binary files in the clean target. dpkg-source will complain that they're missing, but will build the package just fine. Sounds like a hack. What do other say? That's

svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread Magnus Holmgren
I try to keep all changes to upstream as a number of patches in debian/patches. I've heard that restricting the .diff.gz to ./debian is a Good Thing. The drawback is that the .diff.gz becomes more difficult to read, with the diff of diffs and all, but once the source package is unpacked it's

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Luis Matos
Frank Küster escreveu: Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? Is it acceptable to tag a bug pending when fixed upstream and the maintainer is confident of an upstream release in under a week? (This is easy for me, I'm also

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 16 May 2007 13:24:07 +0200 Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 May 2007 12:50, Neil Williams wrote: How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? For me pending is a signal to users saying issue has been confirmed, solution is available and will be

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Neil Williams wrote: How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? Time isn't the important metric, in my opinion. The question is whether the maintainer has fixed the bug (or believes they have fixed the

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Wednesday 16 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote: Thus, I assume that not only novice consumers have the need for improving desktop software and bugs seen fixed. However, Debian dosen't officially support and embrace any way to do this. Watching for new version, You're on Your own. Yes,

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Küster
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Adeodato [utf-8] Simó wrote: There are different opinions about orig.tar.gz should be equal to upstream. In case there is confusion, my original suggestion was to remove the files from debian/rules ('clean' target), not to remove

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Marcus Better
Norbert Preining wrote: Now at a second build time we have changes in the binary .gmo files which cannot be represented. What is the preferred solution for such a case? I usually save upstream's generated files somewhere in debian/rules during build, and copy them back in the clean target.

Re: svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi On Wed, 16 May 2007 13:52:28 +0200 Magnus Holmgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, how do you combine these? Several people have thought: The VCS can handle the changesets. Putting patches under VCS is silly! Maybe it is. What's for certain is, that to someone who just does 'apt-get

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 01:24:07PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 16 May 2007 12:50, Neil Williams wrote: How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? For me pending is a signal to users saying issue has been confirmed,

Re: svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Küster
Magnus Holmgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, how do you combine these? Several people have thought: The VCS can handle the changesets. Putting patches under VCS is silly! Maybe it is. I don't agree. With patches in debian/patches, you can give names to those files. Names that explain what

Re: svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread Marcus Better
Magnus Holmgren wrote: Now, how do you combine these? Several people have thought: The VCS can handle the changesets. Putting patches under VCS is silly! I fully agree. Unfortunately Subversion doesn't make it easy for you. You can keep your patches in different feature branches, but it gets

Re: Fixing up SELinux reference policy for Debian

2007-05-16 Thread Russell Coker
I am attaching the local.te file below for comment; some of this should probably go into the refpolicy package, and, eventually, upstream. Would be nice to actually append the file. I have attached a patch that I'm using in my work on getting a strict unstable system to

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 06:01:54AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Kevin Mark wrote: would it be useful for some process to periodically poll the bts for 'pending' tags that are unusually old [ say 1 or 2 months ] and ping the

Re: svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 14:52, Marcus Better wrote: However, he can read debian/copyright and debian/README.Debian to find out where the maintainer keeps his repository, Or check the PTS, if you use XS-Vcs-* control fields. Yeah, I suppose I didn't know that when I started writing my

Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Kevin Mark wrote: The other idea was for a simple .../pending page on the bts so that folks could quickly see what is about to be fixed. Just append ;pend-inc=pending-fixed; to your pkgreport.cgi url, like so:

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Stable too stable??

2007-05-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, May 16, 2007 at 01:26:30AM +0200, Frans Pop a écrit : On Wednesday 16 May 2007 01:11, Charles Plessy wrote: Maybe at each point release, the release notes could be updated on the basis of these messages. Things like emacs21 does not have full unicode support, but you can display

Re: svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Küster
Marcus Better [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: The VCS can handle the changesets. Putting patches under VCS is silly! I don't agree. With patches in debian/patches, you can give names to those files. With a VCS you can also name branches, or changesets (stgit). Personally,

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-05-15 09:29:46, schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky: I think, any new stable version of the desktop software should be automaticaly added to security updates and distributed to end user. There's no need to test the tested and stabilise the stable software. Should the new stable version be

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-05-15 11:25:56, schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky: Do You think, that -compiling new upstream version of software against stable platform, building a package and distributing it Containing NEW bugs and the loop goes on... -- No Thanks! -needs more effort than -studying security fixes

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-05-15 09:41:17, schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky: The kernel, the X.org I realise, that the kernel and X.org are somewhat delicate things, because they affect both desktop and server. Changing them in the middle of release life, might not sound too well. Sorry, thats not right! I

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Steve Greenland
(Please don't CC me on list mail.) On 16-May-07, 01:58 (CDT), Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Greenland wrote / nap?sal(a): As I illustreted, rock solid is not automatically guaranteed by oldness of software or by length of pre-release testing. And as others have

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 08:10:44AM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: as a QA effort the whole archive was rebuilt yesterday to catch build-failures, whether a package can be build twice in a row (unpack, build, clean, build). We found about 400 packages not having a sane clean target. To

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed May 16, 2007 at 10:11:55 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different directories, build and clean in one dir and then compare the obtained tree with the tree available in the other dir?

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Roger Leigh
Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different directories, build and clean in one dir and then compare the obtained tree with the tree available in the other dir? That would surely be the better solution to catch this policy

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Armin Berres
On Wed, 16 May 07 11:36, Lennart Sorensen wrote: What about packages that automatically pull in updated autoconf files as part of the build, or regenerate .po files which were already there, but due to a new version of the tools generates a different .po file from what was already there? The

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Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 16/05/07 at 10:11 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Isn't twice building too coarse grained to spot actual violation of this rule? I mean, packages that fail to build the second time have for sure garbage left around after the former invocation of clean. But it is not granted that packages

Re: RFC: initramfs-tools postinst causes system inconsistency?

2007-05-16 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Tue, 15 May 2007 23:54:02 +0200 maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd appreciate if you post such questions to the corresponding development mailing list which is debian-kernel for initramfs questions. thanks Current pratice is to only call `update-initramfs -u', that is, to

Re: svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread Marcus Better
Magnus Holmgren wrote: I have now. IIUC, it lets you group and name diffs vs. a particular state of the source code, but the end result is a normal .diff.gz, meaning that everyone else has to use stgit too to get all the benefits, right? Yes. People working on the same project team should use

Re: svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread Marcus Better
Frank Küster wrote: Personally, I don't like branches very much. Nobody ever explained to me a good receipe to handle them in the case where development proceeds in both, and important fixes are copied from one to the other. I believe git handles that, it should work nicely in most cases.

Re: where to find linux-kbuild-2.6.21?

2007-05-16 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 01:44 +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Ludovic Rousseau said: Le 10.05.2007, à 00:25:32, Stephen Gran a écrit: I have always just asked them on IRC on #debian-kernel. Have you done this time again? If not, could you? (I do not use IRC.)

Re: svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread James Westby
On (16/05/07 13:52), Magnus Holmgren wrote: svn-buildpackage has a feature called mergeWithUpstream mode, which means that only the files that are actually touched are put under version control (I thought most $TLA-buildpackage would have something similar, but it seems to be unique to

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 07:57:33PM +0200, Armin Berres wrote: I may be wrong, but IIRC removing those generated files in the clean target is the solution if you want a clean .diff.gz. But dpkg-buildpackage will then spit out lots of warnings about being unable to store the deletion of a binary

UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Lennart Sorensen
I am currently trying to find a valid UTF8 encoded text file to check my terminal settings and such to make sure I have it working right. So to do this I figured I would just find some changelog file that claims to be in UTF8 format and see if it views correctly. Well so far no luck. Every

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So should changelog files for debian packages be UTF8 Yes. and if so are there any that actually are lintian's is, at least. Many others are these days as well. All of my packages have UTF-8 changelog files, although not all actually have

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:53:09PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes. Hmm, well I haven't found one yet and I think I checked 10 so far, all of which have non ascii characters but none of which appeared valid to me. lintian's is, at least. Many others

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Lennart Sorensen [Wed, 16 May 2007 18:01:40 -0400]: I wonder how many packages are triggering that right now. http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tdebian-changelog-file-uses-obsolete-national-encoding.html So is this valid utf-8? I don't believe so. If it is I have to go reread the UTF-8

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 06:01:40PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:53:09PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes. Hmm, well I haven't found one yet and I think I checked 10 so far, all of which have non ascii characters but none

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:53:09PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: debian-changelog-file-uses-obsolete-national-encoding is the tag. I wonder how many packages are triggering that right now. 96.

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes: So is this valid utf-8? I don't believe so. If it is I have to go reread the UTF-8 spec again. :) 4b c4 99 73 74 75 74 69 73 (K..stutis) (I found this one in base-config from sarge since I happened to have that one open in a hex editor for

Re: UTF-8 encoding of changelog files

2007-05-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-05-16 at 23:17 +0100, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: That's trivial to check. Just feed it to recode and specify UTF-8 Hexadecimal input: You might also be interested in isutf8 from moreutils. -- Never underestimate the power of a small tactical Lisp interpreter. -- To

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 10:00:57AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 11:21:51AM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 11:12:56AM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different directories, build and

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: granted there are things like this, but reproducible builds would be fantastic and well worth the effort. If you're talking about byte-for-byte identical builds, then no, that would be a tremendous amount of effort for no practical gain. There's no

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2007-05-16 at 16:26 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: We should expect that given the same source, headers, and libraries, we would get the same bytes out of a build every time. Any deviation from this would indicate something different, or erratic. If it doesn't cause problems, fine, but

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: printf(This program was compiled on __DATE__ \n); An example like the above has already been given. Build dates and other variable information gets put into a lot of output files from compilations. Sorry, I was speaking from an overly selfish point

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Tyler MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We should expect that given the same source, headers, and libraries, we would get the same bytes out of a build every time. This just isn't how compilers work. Timestamps are encoded in binaries, temporary build directories are encoded in debugging

Bug#424727: ITP: wmi -- DCOM/WMI client implementation for Linux

2007-05-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Bernd Zeimetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: wmi Version : 20070516 Upstream Author : Zenoss / Andrzej Hajda / The Samba Team * URL : http://dev.zenoss.org/svn/trunk/wmi/ * License : GPL/LGPL and others Programming

Re: svn-buildpackage etc., mergeWithUpstream, and dpatch/quilt/cdbs again

2007-05-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Frank Küster wrote: Personally, I don't like branches very much. Nobody ever explained to me a good receipe to handle them in the case where development proceeds in both, and important fixes are copied from one to the other. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 is good to view if you're

Bug#424740: ITP: jruby1.0 -- JRuby is a Java implementation of the Ruby interpreter

2007-05-16 Thread Sebastien Delafond
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sebastien Delafond [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: jruby Version : 1.0.0rc2 Upstream Author : The JRuby Team * URL : http://jruby.codehaus.org/ * License : tri license CPL/GPL/LGPL Programming Lang: Ruby, Java

Re: Mysterious NMU (Bug #423455)

2007-05-16 Thread Felipe Sateler
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 10:05:56PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Well, the ~ character is stated to be evaluated to be less than the empty string. If a package is the target of a security upload in stable, you can be certain that the

Re: Mysterious NMU (Bug #423455)

2007-05-16 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 10:54:09PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 10:05:56PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Well, the ~ character is stated to be evaluated to be less than the empty string. If a package is the

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Ben Finney
Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wrote worse because for Debian, this is worse. Not that it is damaging it somehow. Of course there naturally will be other distros, cooperating hopefully. It's worse because it implies, that Debian is not as good desktop as it ought to be.

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Lennart Sorensen] But dpkg-buildpackage will then spit out lots of warnings about being unable to store the deletion of a binary file in the diff. So it will look ugly, but work I guess. dpkg-buildpackage doesn't store _any_ deletions in the diff.gz - the warning about deletions has nothing

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-16 Thread Joey Hess
Peter Samuelson wrote: I'd file a bug asking for this, but clearly the warning is intentional, so a bug is not likely to get much more attention than #12564, which is also related. 12564 should be fixable with wig and pen. If it does get fixed then deleting files in clean will no longer be the

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Mgr. Peter Tuharsky
I install regulary NEW kernels where Debian had only 2.4.27 I used 2.4.32/33 and thats NOT the same as pushing a NEW Xorg into stable. The Kernels can be installed without any problems parallel, and if one is not working, you boot the last working one. Yes, I have written it there too.

Accepted xml-im-exporter 1.1-3 (source all)

2007-05-16 Thread Michael Koch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:21:32 +0200 Source: xml-im-exporter Binary: libxml-im-exporter-java Architecture: source all Version: 1.1-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Java maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By:

Accepted ganymed-ssh2 210-2 (source all)

2007-05-16 Thread Michael Koch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:42:33 +0200 Source: ganymed-ssh2 Binary: libganymed-ssh2-java Architecture: source all Version: 210-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Michael

Accepted 915resolution 0.5.2-11 (source i386)

2007-05-16 Thread Steffen Joeris
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:56:42 +1000 Source: 915resolution Binary: 915resolution Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.5.2-11 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Steffen Joeris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steffen Joeris

Accepted autogen 1:5.9.1-2 (source i386)

2007-05-16 Thread Matt Kraai
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:19:17 -0700 Source: autogen Binary: autogen libopts25-dev libopts25 Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:5.9.1-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Matt Kraai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Matt Kraai

Accepted gcc-snapshot 20070515-1 (source amd64)

2007-05-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:48:06 +0200 Source: gcc-snapshot Binary: gcc-snapshot Architecture: source amd64 Version: 20070515-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian GCC Maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Martin

Accepted heartbeat 2.0.8-4 (source all i386)

2007-05-16 Thread Simon Horman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:58:24 +0900 Source: heartbeat Binary: libstonith0 heartbeat libpils0 heartbeat-2 heartbeat-dev libstonith-dev ldirectord libpils-dev ldirectord-2 heartbeat-2-dev heartbeat-gui heartbeat-2-gui Architecture:

Accepted foo2zjs 20061224-3 (source i386)

2007-05-16 Thread Steffen Joeris
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:44:32 +1000 Source: foo2zjs Binary: foo2zjs Architecture: source i386 Version: 20061224-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Steffen Joeris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Steffen Joeris [EMAIL

Accepted guilt 0.25-1 (source all)

2007-05-16 Thread Brandon Philips
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:35:14 -0700 Source: guilt Binary: guilt Architecture: source all Version: 0.25-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Brandon Philips [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Brandon Philips [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Accepted cupsys 1.2.11-2 (source i386 all)

2007-05-16 Thread Martin Pitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:06:44 +0200 Source: cupsys Binary: libcupsys2-dev cupsys libcupsys2 libcupsimage2 cupsys-common cupsys-client cupsys-dbg cupsys-bsd libcupsimage2-dev Architecture: source i386 all Version: 1.2.11-2 Distribution:

Accepted wammu 0.20-1 (source all)

2007-05-16 Thread Michal Čihař
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:25:21 +0200 Source: wammu Binary: wammu Architecture: source all Version: 0.20-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Michal Čihař [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Michal Čihař [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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