On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 09:09:07AM +0900, Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 06:10:53PM +0100, David Given wrote:
Roger Leigh wrote:
[...]
I would personally like to see this happen, but until it does we are
limited (I believe) to the glyphs described in
Russ == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ It may be that they were trying to provide an indirection
Russ layer between MIT and Heimdal so that people could choose
Russ whichever they want at runtime. I'm not sure of another
Russ reason for it. The UMich library
David Lopez Zajara (Er_Maqui er_maqui at darkbolt.net writes:
Simply you can read this thread and can find a report of audacious (main
candidate for xmms replace) crashing on a max time of 2 minutes running.
It's not our fault that Debian packaged an old, buggy, and generally speaking,
broken
Julien BLACHE jblache at debian.org writes:
As you don't seem to have understood at all, none of the xmms
alternatives are up to par with xmms, with many of them having
usability or stability problems.
Please stop blaming the faults and defects of your packaging process on upstream
On 8/12/07, William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not our fault that Etch did not ship with 1.3. 1.3 had been out for a
considerable amount of time when Etch shipped. Please don't claim that the
most
recent versions of audacious (as shipped and maintained by us) crashes every
2
William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As you don't seem to have understood at all, none of the xmms
alternatives are up to par with xmms, with many of them having
usability or stability problems.
Please stop blaming the faults and defects of your packaging process on
upstream
David Lopez Zajara (Er_Maqui er_maqui at darkbolt.net writes:
GTK+ 1.2 are unmantained upstream, yes.
No it's not. GTK1 maintainance ceased in Feburary 2001.
I've read on this thread, on a critical for audacious as xmms
replacement, I've pointed who audacious doesn't have many features
ajdlinux at gmail.com writes:
Lenny has had 1.3 for over a month now.
http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/audacious/news/20070706T223908Z.html
FYI: The status of the audacious source package
in Debian's testing distribution has changed.
Previous version: 1.2.2-4
Current version:
Le dimanche 12 août 2007 à 09:34 +, William Pitcock a écrit :
It's not our fault that Debian packaged an old, buggy, and generally speaking,
broken version of Audacious with a bunch of backported patches that may or may
not be fully compatible.
You should talk about this with the
Le dimanche 12 août 2007 à 09:58 +, William Pitcock a écrit :
Then it is supported by us upstream. Therefore, if it crashes or blows up in
your face, people should tell us about it, and not complain on a mailing list
or
talk about commandeering projects to make Audacious into some sort of
Julien BLACHE jblache at debian.org writes:
I propose you STFU and go fix your bugs.
JB.
I propose you stop classifying bugs which state is not XMMS as bugs in
Audacious, or generally talking about commandeering my project. Thanks!
William
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Le dimanche 12 août 2007 à 10:00 +, William Pitcock a écrit :
I propose you stop classifying bugs which state is not XMMS as bugs in
Audacious, or generally talking about commandeering my project. Thanks!
Crashes and locks up randomly sounds much like is XMMS to me, so I
don't think that's
On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 07:13:01PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Why? Could you explain what the UMich indirection library practically
adds for our users? Why would we want to continue using it rather than
linking directly against an appropriate GSSAPI implementation?
GSSAPI was created to
William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I propose you STFU and go fix your bugs.
I propose you stop classifying bugs which state is not XMMS as bugs in
Audacious, or generally talking about commandeering my project. Thanks!
Two bugs:
- random crashes while scrolling the playlist
-
Josselin Mouette joss at debian.org writes:
Le dimanche 12 août 2007 à 09:34 +, William Pitcock a écrit :
You should talk about this with the maintainer; this has nothing to do
with our processes. If that version was so buggy as not to be usable,
the maintainer should have prevented it
Le dimanche 12 août 2007 à 10:13 +, William Pitcock a écrit :
If you think one month is a considerable amount of time, you have no
idea of what integrating a distribution means.
I find it funny that Fedora Core 5, 6, and 7, all included the latest versions
of Audacious at the time of
Josselin Mouette joss at debian.org writes:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=audacious;dist=unstable
Yes, I have discussed these with Adam Cecile. Many of those bugs have been fixed
in 1.4, and cannot be fixed in current 1.3 due to architectural shift from the
old XMMS paradigm
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 10:13:45AM +, William Pitcock wrote:
Josselin Mouette joss at debian.org writes:
Le dimanche 12 août 2007 à 09:34 +, William Pitcock a écrit :
I wonder what kind of crack you are on. Your website shows the 1.3.0
release date as being 2 march 2007. This
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:47:46 +0200
Carl Fürstenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/12/07, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Le samedi 11 août 2007 à 06:57 +0200, David Lopez Zajara (Er_Maqui)
a écrit :
You are saying to the mantainers who if they doesnt work
on a GTK+ 1.2 - 2.0
Julien BLACHE jblache at debian.org writes:
Two bugs:
- random crashes while scrolling the playlist
- segfault in the ALSA output plugin
That's http://bugs.debian.org/435557 in case you're interested in
fixing the pile of crap that is your ALSA output plugin (hey, XMMS'
one behaves
William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, we are indeed aware of your bug, however, after inquiring with the people
responsible for the ALSA plugin, the conclusion we presently have is that we
are
unable to reproduce it, so it will take some time before we can come up with a
patch for
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 11:52:45AM +0100, Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
With apache1 being removed, isn't it the right time to remove gtk1
(and glib1.2) as well?
It's also time to remove libxml1.
Mike
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Julien BLACHE jblache at debian.org writes:
I think you need at least an Intel HDA card to reproduce that problem,
as it's probably the driver that presents something weird to the
lib. Might even need a MacBook with the same setup :|
I'll see on another machine if the ALSA plugin behaves
I propose you STFU and go fix your bugs.
I propose you stop classifying bugs
Now, will you please go fix your bugs ?
Gentlemen,
I think that your discussion about who is faulty or not is going far
from the topic of this list, which is the development of the Debian
distribution. Please
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:52:45 +0100
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just because I had nothing to do, I generated a list on the wiki on
all packages that depends on gtk+ 1.2; see:
http://wiki.debian.org/GTK+_1%2e2_leftovers
OK, a few stats from that page (which I've updated to show
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
274 are neither gtk libraries nor related to xmms.
231 of those are not orphaned.
That's a lot of packages.
After a little more trimming of libraries, packages that are just
dependencies of other packages in the list, I get 192 unorphaned
packages
Luk Claes luk at zomers.be writes:
Well Debian has another focus than Fedora Core, I won't comment further
on the implications...
I'm not qualified to comment on that either. However, I was simply demonstrating
that other distributions found it possible to integrate within the time window.
Twas brillig at 15:07:29 12.08.2007 UTC+02 when Julien BLACHE did gyre and
gimble:
Contrary to my own preconceptions, I'd say that the idea of removing Gtk1 is
dead-in-the-water. :-(
JB And there are still some useful applications in the list...
Probably some workflow for phasing them
Mikhail Gusarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JB And there are still some useful applications in the list...
Probably some workflow for phasing them out might help.
It's possible for some of these applications, but not for all. The
best approach is probably to port them over to GTK2, but I
On 11/08/2007 Marc Haber wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For some code examples which do work (and are used in several
packages) see:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch9.en.html#s-bpp-lower-privs
Why does this HOWTO suggest replicating code that is already in
Neil Williams codehelp at debian.org writes:
If those figures are correct, it looks like GTK1 will be with us for
quite some time yet.
Don't give up hope quite yet.
After a little more trimming of libraries, packages that are just
dependencies of other packages in the list, I get 192
On 2007-08-12, William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
karamba
This is a Qt app, and it has been mostly replaced with SuperKaramba AFAIK.
And is only using gtk1/xmms to communicate with xmms. It builds nicely
without also. (Of course, you then miss the xmms functionality, but ...)
/Sune
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William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Neil Williams codehelp at debian.org writes:
If those figures are correct, it looks like GTK1 will be with us for
quite some time yet.
Don't give up hope quite yet.
To save repeating the list in email:
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
wmbubble
437425
wmcliphist
437433
wmclockmon
437442
wmfishtime
437429
wmmaiload
437444
wmressel
437430
wmusic
Remote control dockapp for XMMS, will go away with XMMS. I've removed
it from the wiki too.
JB.
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Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
GSSAPI was created to allow the use of multiple authentication
mechanisms. If you do not want to allow that, then you should just get
rid of GSSAPI completely and use the Kerberos APIs directly, as in this
case GSSAPI just adds a lot of unneccessary
Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ == Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ It may be that they were trying to provide an indirection
Russ layer between MIT and Heimdal so that people could choose
Russ whichever they want at runtime. I'm not sure of another
Russ
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 09:09:07AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
For HTML if Japanese text is short, embeding gif/png file is better
than using UTF-8 characters. Then you can read it from any
configuration.
...except a text-mode one?
My text-mode
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 09:09:07AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
For HTML if Japanese text is short, embeding gif/png file is better
than using UTF-8 characters. Then you can read it from any
configuration.
William Pitcock a écrit :
Julien BLACHE jblache at debian.org writes:
I think you need at least an Intel HDA card to reproduce that problem,
as it's probably the driver that presents something weird to the
lib. Might even need a MacBook with the same setup :|
I'll see on another machine if
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On 8/12/07, Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:45:42 + (UTC)
William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Neil Williams codehelp at debian.org writes:
If those figures are correct, it looks like GTK1 will be with us for
quite some time yet.
Don't give up
Hey folks,
Is is possible to make the equivalent of an Architecture: any package except
that it excludes one or two specific architectures?
Basically, I'd like to be able to write, for example:
Architecture: any [!ia64]
I know I could specifically list supported architectures, but I don't
Oi Debh, tudo bem?
Voce sumiu nas duas ultimas semanas ... aconteceu alguma coisa? foi algo que
eu falei ou fiz?
To morrendo de saudades de ti ... se eu fiz algo, por favor, me diga
nao seria a primeira vez que eu faco alguma merda e vc se distancia ... eu
sei que voce prefere nao falar, e
Wesley J. Landaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is is possible to make the equivalent of an Architecture: any package except
that it excludes one or two specific architectures?
I think the best you can do is to write a check for that specific
architecture in the package's preinst script, and
* Reinhard Tartler [Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:27:50 +0200]:
Wesley J. Landaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is is possible to make the equivalent of an Architecture: any package
except
that it excludes one or two specific architectures?
I think the best you can do is to write a check for that
Wesley J. Landaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is is possible to make the equivalent of an Architecture: any package
except
that it excludes one or two specific architectures?
* Reinhard Tartler [Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:27:50 +0200]:
I think the best you can do is to write a check for
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 01:18:32PM +, William Pitcock wrote:
It seems that you don't understand why we call it an XMMS replacement:
it's not at all about having all the same features, it's about the core
functionality. If we consider audacious an XMMS replacement it means
that we think
Josselin Mouette wrote:
I don't have any power to remove their packages from Debian, but I
urge every maintainer of a package depending on GTK+ 1.2 to either
start the work on GTK2 porting it or consider its removal. And now is
more than the time to start this.
Neil Williams wrote:
If anyone
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:36:40 +0100
Matthew Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Josselin Mouette wrote:
I don't have any power to remove their packages from Debian, but I
urge every maintainer of a package depending on GTK+ 1.2 to either
start the work on GTK2 porting it or consider its
On 8/12/07, Carl Fürstenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/12/07, Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:45:42 + (UTC)
William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Neil Williams codehelp at debian.org writes:
If those figures are correct, it looks like GTK1
On Sunday 12 August 2007 13:35:02 Adeodato Simó wrote:
* Reinhard Tartler [Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:27:50 +0200]:
Wesley J. Landaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is is possible to make the equivalent of an Architecture: any package
except that it excludes one or two specific architectures?
I
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 05:43:27PM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
On Sunday 12 August 2007 13:35:02 Adeodato Simó wrote:
* Reinhard Tartler [Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:27:50 +0200]:
Wesley J. Landaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is is possible to make the equivalent of an Architecture: any
On Sunday 12 August 2007 19:13:38 Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 05:43:27PM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
Won't this then prevent the package from migrating to testing, because
it's arch: any, but failing to build on a release arch?
and remove the binaries from unstable.
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