On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:57:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
Well, I haven't left, but I do far less with Debian now than I used
to.
It is still my preferred OS for a variety of reasons. (...)
I get no joy whatsoever out of the current mailing list
discussions. (...) We're here to make a
The problem is you can't wave a magic wand, and fix the community.
It's a self-feeding cycle which goes on and on and on. Even if we had
a Code of Conduct for Debian, unless it was strongly enforced, its the
same problem.
Whether the ballot was valid or not was immaterial, the response to it
was
Eduard Bloch e...@gmx.de (18/12/2008):
* Russell Coker [Thu, Dec 18 2008, 11:04:24PM]:
http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29t=7991
I would like to know what exactly Steve told them. The major tone WRT
OSS on that page seems to be pretty harsh, close to FUD and trolling.
So how did
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Romain Beauxis wrote:
Le Friday 19 December 2008 01:04:05 Johannes Wiedersich, vous avez écrit :
Joss, it is disappointing that after all that time since your faux pas
[1], you still seem to fail to understand that what might be acceptable
within
Am Donnerstag, den 18.12.2008, 22:51 -0800 schrieb Steve Langasek:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:04:05AM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
I am really speechless The French seem to have a completely
different understanding of the English language used in all these
matters than almost every
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
What slightly upsets me about the issue is not what happened, but rather
that the French appear so arrogant as to think what happened on a world
wide announcement is fine, just because the French think it is fine.
the French = FAIL; thanks.
--
Le Friday 19 December 2008 09:56:21 Johannes Wiedersich, vous avez écrit :
What slightly upsets me about the issue is not what happened, but rather
that the French appear so arrogant as to think what happened on a world
wide announcement is fine, just because the French think it is fine.
I you
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Loïc Minier wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
What slightly upsets me about the issue is not what happened, but rather
that the French appear so arrogant as to think what happened on a world
wide announcement is fine, just
* Michael Banck:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:51:34PM +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Bjørn Mork bm...@dod.no wrote:
Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de writes:
I would very much like this library to become the *only* WPAD
implementation anywhere.
* Michael Banck:
WPAD is a broken protocol with security issues inherent to the DNS
devolution mechanism (which is also performed by libproxy). Please
don't add implementations to the Debian archive.
As I understand it, this library is made so that application writers
don't duplicate the
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Romain Beauxis wrote:
I start a discussion trying to explain how misunderstanding can happen and it
ends up claiming that french are arogant.
I am sorry, if I misunderstood your point as defending Joss's
announcement, while you were just trying to
Dear Debian developers,
for some reason I am subscribed to debian-devel and even try to read
most of the posts. I guess I do that to stay in touch with the most recent
developments, but it is also I fairly good indicator of the projects
climate ... which seems to be getting colder ...
But I
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Michael Hanke michael.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Debian developers,
for some reason I am subscribed to debian-devel and even try to read
most of the posts. I guess I do that to stay in touch with the most recent
developments, but it is also I fairly good
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:00:47AM +0100, Harald Braumann wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:04:05 +0100
I am really speechless The French seem to have a completely
different understanding of the English language used in all these
matters than almost every one else in the world.
Well, the
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Homosexuality can be an *accusation* ‽
It still is in some countries. That's why mature people don't play
with that openly in international projects.
Perhaps you didn't know.
cheers,
martin
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Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 10:01 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit :
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Homosexuality can be an *accusation* ‽
It still is in some countries. That's why mature people don't play
with that openly in international
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 13:30 +0100, Olivier Berger a écrit :
For instance see our Secretaire d'Etat's declaration at :
http://gayswithoutborders.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/france-rama-yade-will-appeal-at-the-united-nations-for-the-universal-decriminalisation-of-homosexuality/
OK, OK,
Hi,
Bastian Venthur wrote:
What I see *now* is that the freezes during the last two and the current
release are getting longer and longer (~1,5 months, ~4 months and for
Lenny at least 5 months). For me this seems to be a serious problem we
should not ignore. Important software is outdated in
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
I am sorry. I meant 'some French'. It was not my intention to give the
impression that this applies to all the French. Please accept my apologies.
We're almost all humans, thanks for retracting. :-)
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Hi John,
very well said, thanks. I suggest everyone to go back and read his mail.
http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1483 is also a nice read about what working
together nicely can achieve. I miss that in Debian.
I have now decided to unsubscribe from -vote and -devel, the gain/pain ratio
has
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Our country is very far from exempt of human rights violations. Those
trying to frame the current discussion in terms of cultures or countries
are forgetting that every culture and country has its share of
intolerant
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:09:03PM +0100, Dionysios Kalofonos wrote:
during soft freeze any changes can be made as long as no new RC bugs get
introduced, and during hard freeze is what happens today.
Erm, doesn't this happen already?
Neil
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@nurn is
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 11:39 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit :
The mission of Debian is not spot the bigot. Debian embraces people
of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one shared belief --
about an OS.
Precisely. And in such a project, you need to work together with people
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Holger Levsen wrote:
I have now decided to unsubscribe from -vote and -devel, the gain/pain ratio
has become totally unacceptable for me. I guess -project will follow soon.
I wished such flamewars could be fighted at -project and -devel would
be free for what it was
Neil McGovern wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:09:03PM +0100, Dionysios Kalofonos wrote:
during soft freeze any changes can be made as long as no new RC bugs get
introduced, and during hard freeze is what happens today.
Erm, doesn't this happen already?
sorry, something i did not
2008/12/19 Michael Hanke michael.ha...@gmail.com:
Dear Debian developers,
As a debian user, I subscribe all of the above post.
Thanks
Luca
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Now if only we could say positive things about people BEFORE they
resign, wouldn't this be a better place?
+1E6
John, thank you for taking the time to write and post that note. I couldn't
agree more.
When Manoj and I joined the Debian project, there were only a couple dozen of
us, and
we
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 11:39 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit :
The mission of Debian is not spot the bigot. Debian embraces people
of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one shared belief --
about an OS.
Precisely. And in such
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00:26PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
too. I am
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 07:47:50AM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
project atmosphere. The only way we can get things back on track
and re-focus our energy on the real reason we are all here... to
create a free operating system...
I believe that part of the problem is that we are not all here to
Dear Norbert,
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do so, but somewhere
else.
Please use gender-neutral language when addressing a diverse audience.
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:13:57PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
Dear Norbert,
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do so, but somewhere
else.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
too. I am going to spend the next few days evaluating how important the
project
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:04:55PM +, Ian Lynagh wrote:
project atmosphere. The only way we can get things back on track
and re-focus our energy on the real reason we are all here... to
create a free operating system...
I believe that part of the problem is that we are not all here
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:22:29PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote:
Also new users have a tendency to go with testing and don't use
unstable much these days.
The net effect is that there aren't enough people left using unstable
to uncover enough problems. Hence bugs silently make it to testing.
Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Barry deFreese bdefre...@debian.org wrote:
Shoot, I didn't add that, Moritz did.
Ah, woops.
Which one should we actually use?
OngoingTransitions IMO (perhaps it could be renamed too).
BTW, found this page too:
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Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 12:03 -0500 schrieb Barry deFreese:
Hi folks,
Just in case anyone cares/is interested, here is some work I have been
doing on packages using Gtk1.2, Imlib, gnome-libs, or any combination
thereof.
Obviously some packages fall within more than one
Daniel Leidert daniel.leidert.s...@gmx.net (19/12/2008):
bluefish
Actually built with gtk2 but still build-deps on gnome-bin?? (pinged
maintainer). Just a suggests, can probably be removed.
It does *not* build-depend on gnome-bin and I already told you this
(you simply did not
On Friday 19 December 2008 21:07:09 Daniel Leidert wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 12:03 -0500 schrieb Barry deFreese:
Hi folks,
Just in case anyone cares/is interested, here is some work I have been
doing on packages using Gtk1.2, Imlib, gnome-libs, or any combination
thereof.
Daniel Leidert wrote:
It does *not* build-depend on gnome-bin and I already told you this (you
simply did not answer). Where do you see this build-dependency?
Regards, Daniel
Daniel,
Sorry about that, I keep going through so many of these, I keep mixing
up build-deps/deps in my syntax.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:43:32 +0100
Michael Hanke michael.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
for some reason I am subscribed to debian-devel and even try to read
most of the posts. I guess I do that to stay in touch with the most
recent developments, but it is also I fairly good indicator of the
projects
Let me express my appreciation and gratitude for Debian.
Reading debian-devel during the last weeks, I had the same feeling that
some positive counterpart to the recent discussions is needed to somehow
keep the balance. I intended to post the top 5 reasons, why I love
Debian, but you were faster
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Neil Williams wrote:
Debian can be considered the optimal environment for brain imaging
research (compared to all other possible operating systems).
That is good news - good enough to be made very, very public.
(Just keeping the thread up for adding
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
The best part is that, knowing how quality assurance and the BTS
works, I hardly ever run into problems. If I do run into problems (in
the spirit of DFSG 3), I know I can bring it up and someone will hear
I meant Debian Social Contract,
Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org writes:
For the record, a similar expression also exists in Spanish, either with
a broomstick or with an umbrella. Both ends are used in the
expression. No sexual connotation implied at all.
World is not that different,
For the record, the same is true in
On Fr, 19 Dez 2008, Michael Banck wrote:
Dear Norbert,
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do so, but somewhere
else.
Please use
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Noah Meyerhans no...@debian.org writes:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:04:55PM +, Ian Lynagh wrote:
I believe that part of the problem is that we are not all here to
create a free operating system. I have the impression that some
developers merely wish to create an operating system, or
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:53:47PM +0100, Jelmer Vernooij wrote:
Package name: tevent
Description: talloc-based event loop library
tevent is a simple library that can handle the main event loop for an
application. It supports three kinds of events: timed events, file
descriptors
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Hoi Guus,
Am Freitag, den 19.12.2008, 23:14 +0100 schrieb Guus Sliepen:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:53:47PM +0100, Jelmer Vernooij wrote:
Package name: tevent
Description: talloc-based event loop library
tevent is a simple library that can handle the main event loop for an
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 09:02:04AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
OTOH, it seems to me that there are people with varying degrees of
pragmatism.
That implies a (lamentably common) false dichotomy. Free software
goals *are* pragmatic goals. They directly affect how we interact with
the digital
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Russ Allbery wrote:
Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org writes:
For the record, a similar expression also exists in Spanish, either with
a broomstick or with an umbrella. Both ends are used in the
expression. No sexual connotation implied at all.
World is not that
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 11:39 -0200, Martin Langhoff a écrit :
The mission of Debian is not spot the bigot. Debian embraces people
of many beliefs, customs and ways of life under one shared
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes:
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Russ Allbery wrote:
For the record, the same is true in American English (the colloquial
phrase being a stick up your ass and regularly used without any sexual
connotation whatsoever). I don't know if Russell's objections are
#include hallo.h
* Michael Banck [Fri, Dec 19 2008, 06:13:57PM]:
Dear Norbert,
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do so, but somewhere
else.
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 23:49 +0100, Jelmer Vernooij wrote:
An alternative would be to implement tevent as a wrapper around libev or
libevents that added talloc support to the API but that's hardly worth
the trouble as that would add another dependency and the library is
pretty small itself as
#include hallo.h
* Cyril Brulebois [Fri, Dec 19 2008, 09:35:24AM]:
Eduard Bloch e...@gmx.de (18/12/2008):
* Russell Coker [Thu, Dec 18 2008, 11:04:24PM]:
http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29t=7991
I would like to know what exactly Steve told them. The major tone WRT
OSS on
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:37:35 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
But then I also thought the parody sent to
d-d-a was inappropriately sexist and offensive, so I'm apparently some
sort of censorious Nazi or hyper-sensitive PC freak or whatever the
current in-vogue terminology for people who prefer
On 12/19/08 17:18, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Russ Allbery wrote:
Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org writes:
For the record, a similar expression also exists in Spanish, either with
a broomstick or with an umbrella. Both ends are used in the
expression. No sexual
On 12/19/08 17:47, Eduard Bloch wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Michael Banck [Fri, Dec 19 2008, 06:13:57PM]:
Dear Norbert,
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political
correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit,
Am Samstag, den 20.12.2008, 11:10 +1100 schrieb Robert Collins:
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 23:49 +0100, Jelmer Vernooij wrote:
An alternative would be to implement tevent as a wrapper around libev or
libevents that added talloc support to the API but that's hardly worth
the trouble as that
Eduard wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Russell Coker [Thu, Dec 18 2008, 11:04:24PM]:
http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29t=7991
From the above news article:
# Debian Project Leader Steve McIntyre told iTWire that after Mouette's
abuse
I would like to know what exactly Steve told them.
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:11:25AM +0100, Thomas Weber wrote:
No, the problem is that certain of our French developers *think* that the
rest of the world just doesn't understand their French humor and that
something has been lost in translation.
When the reality is that we understand it
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Barry deFreese bdefre...@debian.org wrote:
OK, I have created a new page at:
http://wiki.debian.org/Gtk1.2ImlibGnome1Removals and linked it to the
OngoingTransitions page.
Would it be a good idea to file bugs against all packages depending on
the
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