18 Giugno - Milano - Scienze politiche

2009-04-27 Thread giskard
Ciao a tutti, Il 18 giugno alla facolta' di scienze politiche alcuni partecipanti di hackmeeting in collaborazione con il professor Adam Ardvisson vorrebbero organizzare alcune presentazioni sul tema p2p economies. Con questo incontro si vorrebbe permettere ad alcune esperienze comunitarie

Re: 18 Giugno - Milano - Scienze politiche

2009-04-27 Thread Luca Brivio
In data lunedì 27 aprile 2009 12:42:11, giskard ha scritto: Il 18 giugno alla facolta' di scienze politiche alcuni partecipanti di hackmeeting in collaborazione con il professor Adam Ardvisson vorrebbero organizzare alcune presentazioni sul tema p2p economies. Con questo incontro si vorrebbe

Formation Marketing Internet GRATUITE pour Entrepreneur

2009-04-27 Thread Internet-Formation
Bonjour, vous avez un site Internet et vous voulez qu'il soit premier sur Google pour vous ramener un maximum de clients ? Savez-vous que les Formations au marketing sont remboursées à 100% par le DIF (droit individuel formation, pour les salariés) ou le CIF (crédit impôt formation, pour les

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Given that we agree that that example is just plainly broken no matter what, why do you consider it as a valid motivation for throwing all away? That's not what I intended. My intention is to give guidelines which might be independent from a

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [ FWIW, if you want to try it out please use the live version [1], I've just fixed a stupid bug which caused ignoring the last paragraph of a description ] [1]

[Fwd: RFP: ingex -- tapeless television production software]

2009-04-27 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
reportbug forgot to CC it to d-devel... Original Message Subject: RFP: ingex -- tapeless television production software Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:47:26 +0200 From: Bernd Zeimetz b...@debian.org To: Debian Bug Tracking System sub...@bugs.debian.org Package: wnpp Severity:

Bug#525811: ITP: menu-cache -- an implementation of the freedesktop menu specification for LXDE

2009-04-27 Thread Andrew Lee
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Lee and...@linux.org.tw * Package name: menu-cache Version : 0.2.4 Upstream Author : Hong Jen Yee (PCMan) pcman...@gmail.com * URL : http://lxde.org/ * License : (GPL) Programming Lang: (C) Description : an

Re: Linux-libre for Debian Lenny

2009-04-27 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:48:27AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 21:41 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: #494120 and #494122. [...] I disagree with these as the tables in question are easily small enough to be a plausible preferred form for modification. Indeed; this is a

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote: Hal checks the drive capabilities and shouldn't be polling drives that support async notifications. Is that code not working for you? It is working fine, thanks for the head's up about it

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-04-26, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: FIRST: GO AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID CC'S. I OBVIOUSLY READ THE LIST. Dude, chill out. Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. Kind regards, Philipp

ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 27. April 2009, Philipp Kern wrote: Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. As it sadly happens many times every day. And as long as there are no means to enforce it (either pure social or aided by technology), it will continue to happen. regards,

Bug#525833: ITP: libcss-blueprint -- Blueprint CSS library

2009-04-27 Thread Thomas Koch
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Koch tho...@koch.ro * Package name: libcss-blueprint Version : 0.8 Upstream Author : Olav Bjorkoy? ? (Question to upstream) * URL : http://www.blueprintcss.org/ * License : MIT (modified) (Question to

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:27:03AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2009-04-26, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: FIRST: GO AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID CC'S. I OBVIOUSLY READ THE LIST. Dude, chill out. Interestingly you did it

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:05:37PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Montag, 27. April 2009, Philipp Kern wrote: Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. As it sadly happens many times every day. And as long as there are no means to enforce it (either pure social

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi Dne Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:39:15 +0100 Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org napsal(a): * The Debian lists are the only lists I have ever come across that mandate, or even care, about such a thing. I have been on many lists in my time, and my current list of mailing list

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Michael Tautschnig
Hi, On Montag, 27. April 2009, Philipp Kern wrote: Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. As it sadly happens many times every day. And as long as there are no means to enforce it (either pure social or aided by technology), it will continue to happen.

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:39:15PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, meaning that by default my email client wants to send replies to individual posters. To get the mailing list included in the reply means that I have to reply to all. It's a

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Noah Slater wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:27:03AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2009-04-26, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: FIRST: GO AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID CC'S. I OBVIOUSLY READ THE LIST.

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Dear lazylist, On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, does someone know why? regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:03:10PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, does someone know why? http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:48:36PM +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: * The Debian lists are the only lists I have ever come across that mandate, or even care, about such a thing. I have been on many lists in my time, and my current list of mailing list subscriptions stands at 73. On

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes: On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, does someone know why? I don't know, but there are plenty of reasons to choose from. See e.g. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Those

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:34:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If nobody from -policy objects, I'll submit it tomorrow. Sounds good. Done: #525843. Discussion can continue in that bug log now, I guess. Also, a live archive of all long descriptions (from unstable/amd64) rendered as

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:06:01PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:03:10PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, does someone know why?

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:48:36PM +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: Definitely not the only one which mandates this. Please list others so I can mock them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Matthias Julius
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: * I don't know much about mailing list software, so I'm not going to be as bold as to suggest I know what the solution is. However, on all the other lists, I never get duplicate copies of email when people reply to me with an

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi Dne Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:33:06 + Clint Adams sch...@debian.org napsal(a): On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:48:36PM +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: Definitely not the only one which mandates this. Please list others so I can mock them. For example Mutt lists I mentioned. I saw the same rule in

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 14:44 +0200, Michael Tautschnig a écrit : If you're annoyed by cc:s (well, Holger, I know you are, you told me about that more than once :-) ), configure your mailclient to set Mail-Followup-To and hope for the next poster's mailclient to support that header. Which

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Noah Slater wrote: Either you avoid Reply-To because it is harmful and accept that you will get carbon copies from the commonly implemented group reply function of modern mail clients, or you include the harmful Reply-To header and avoid it. What am I missing? This seems too obviously

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:12:45PM +0200, Andreas Tille til...@rki.de was heard to say: On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Daniel Burrows wrote: I would prefer Restructured Text, for the simple reason that it has an actual specification with a fairly complete description of its syntax and semantics. I

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:19:08PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Noah Slater wrote: Either you avoid Reply-To because it is harmful and accept that you will get carbon copies from the commonly implemented group reply function of modern mail clients, or you include the harmful

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Bjørn Mork
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Mail-Followup-To is: A. Useless junk without clear semantics B. Violating standards Which standards would that be? Bjørn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Bug#525863: ITP: lxmenu-data -- freedesktop.org menu specification required files for LXDE

2009-04-27 Thread Andrew Lee
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Lee and...@linux.org.tw * Package name: lxmenu-data Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Hong Jen Yee (PCMan) pcman...@gmail.com * URL : http://lxde.org/ * License : (GPL) Programming Lang: (XML) Description :

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Brett Parker
On 27 Apr 15:41, Noah Slater wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:19:08PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Noah Slater wrote: Either you avoid Reply-To because it is harmful and accept that you will get carbon copies from the commonly implemented group reply function of modern

Bug#525872: ITP: evolution-mapi -- Exchange support for the Evolution groupware suite

2009-04-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org * Package name: evolution-mapi Version : 0.26.1 Upstream Author : Johnny Jacob jjoh...@novell.com * URL : http://www.go-evolution.org/MAPIProvider * License : LGPL 2.1/3 Programming

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Daniel Burrows wrote: Wow, that's a lot of work! I certainly won't ask you to do it all over again. No, not really. I might replace just the markdown by the reST call. That's probabyl quite cheap and I might try this in the next couple of days even while beeing under

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Adeodato Simó
+ Noah Slater (Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:10:17 +0100): Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian lists I fully agree with this. I think having to remember which key one must use in each context for reply

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:09:19PM +0100, Brett Parker wrote: On 27 Apr 15:41, Noah Slater wrote: You're arguing that a Reply-To header is harmful (not that I am convinced) and Think of the occasions when you actually do want to do an offlist reply - it's not that uncommon - having

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:48:50PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: I fully agree with this. I think having to remember which key one must use in each context for reply is lame. This is why I do in my ~/.muttrc: [...] Where l/debian is the folder which contains Debian lists, and it allows to always

lxde: Does not support the Debian Menu

2009-04-27 Thread Andrew Lee
Dear Daniel, The upstream developer of LXDE told me compared to the fd.o app menu, debian menu uses more resource, but provide no usability improvement. And most of the items from Debian menu are already in fd.o app menu. So that the debian menu would possibly be deprecated. Maybe it's time for

Re: lxde: Does not support the Debian Menu

2009-04-27 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:51:50PM +0800, Andrew Lee wrote: debian menu uses more resource, but provide no usability improvement. And most of the items from Debian menu are already in fd.o app menu. So that the debian menu would possibly be deprecated. Maybe it's time for debian to add

Re: autoconf2.13

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Pfaff
Zack Weinberg za...@panix.com writes: Ben Pfaff wrote: (Maybe it's time to get rid of the autoconf2.13 package altogether, come to think of it.) It's still needed for just about everything put out by Mozilla, alas (iceweasel et al, obviously, but also libnspr and libnss, which are not just

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:19:23PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:34:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If nobody from -policy objects, I'll submit it tomorrow. Sounds good. Done: #525843. Discussion can continue in that bug log now, I guess. Also,

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Joerg Jaspert
If you ask me things are quite clear: From a Debian point of view the source includes *.orig.tar.gz, *.dsc and *.diff. The files are connected via md5sum in *.dsc. So shipping the source of a PDF in the diff should be acceptable from a Debian point of view (even if it would be nice to

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:05:11PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: Also, a live archive of all long descriptions (from unstable/amd64) rendered as Markdown using render-dctrl is now available at http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/longdesc-mdwn/ . It is weekly re-generated. Anybody who spots absurd

Re: lxde: Does not support the Debian Menu

2009-04-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 23:51 +0800, Andrew Lee a écrit : The upstream developer of LXDE told me compared to the fd.o app menu, debian menu uses more resource, but provide no usability improvement. Yes, the Debian menu sucks, but adding it to a fd.o menu implementation is trivial using

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:36:59PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:05:11PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: Also, a live archive of all long descriptions (from unstable/amd64) rendered as Markdown using render-dctrl is now available at

Re: Consistent formating long descriptions as input data

2009-04-27 Thread James Vega
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:19:54PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:36:59PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:05:11PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: Also, a live archive of all long descriptions (from unstable/amd64) rendered as Markdown

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 14:48 +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: Hi Dne Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:39:15 +0100 Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org napsal(a): * The Debian lists are the only lists I have ever come across that mandate, or even care, about such a thing. I have been on many lists in

debconf templates: Choices displayed different to values

2009-04-27 Thread Lucas Brasilino
Hi Hope be posting at the right list. I've been googling around and couldn't find a way to make debconf when using type 'select' template to display strings different that goes to backend. For example, some thing like: Template: foo/bar Type: select Choices: left, right, center

Re: Should we still purge GConf schemas from the old directory?

2009-04-27 Thread Marius Vollmer
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: I’m considering asking for the removal of this snippet, since it is only useful for those having upgraded a pre-woody system all along. While I’m one of those doing that, I’m not sure there are as many people like that, and I guess they could live with

Thoughts on keeping a 3.0 (quilt) package in RCS

2009-04-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, I recently converted a few quilt using local packages to the new 3.0 (quilt) format. Additionaly those packages are kept in an RCS (mercurial here). Now the problem is: How to version control them? The new format allows one to just edit the source and build it. No creation of patches

Re: debconf templates: Choices displayed different to values

2009-04-27 Thread Frans Pop
Lucas Brasilino wrote: Template: foo/bar Type: select Choices: left, right, center Display-Choices: Wanna go left ?, Wanna go right ?, Wanna go straight? Choices-C does exactly what you want (supported in Etch and later): Template: foo/bar Type: select Choices-C: left, right, center Choices:

Bug#525937: ITP: refdbg -- GObject Refcount Debugger

2009-04-27 Thread Jonny Lamb
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jonny Lamb jo...@debian.org X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: refdbg Version : 1.2 Upstream Author : Josh Green jgr...@users.sourceforge.net * URL : http://refdbg.sourceforge.net/ * License :

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-27 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Bjørn Mork wrote: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote: Hal checks the drive capabilities and shouldn't be polling drives that support async notifications. Is that code not working for you? It is working

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Brian May
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:16:08PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: C. Only supported by a handful of clients A number of clients won't automatically generate the header, but may still support it for group replies. I think this might include Evolution and Thunderbid (although it was a while

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Karl Goetz
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:23:33 +0200 Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 14:48 +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: Hi Dne Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:39:15 +0100 Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org napsal(a): * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, meaning that by

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian lists, which as you can see, doesn't happen very often. No, the point of a ‘reply to list’ command is you *don't*

Re: debconf templates: Choices displayed different to values

2009-04-27 Thread Lucas Brasilino
Hi Frans: Template: foo/bar Type: select Choices: left, right, center Display-Choices: Wanna go left ?, Wanna go right ?, Wanna go straight? Choices-C does exactly what you want (supported in Etch and later): Template: foo/bar Type: select Choices-C: left, right, center Choices: Wanna

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:34:49AM +0930, Karl Goetz wrote: /me had to use 'L' on Debians default MUA for the reply-to-list. It's all very well having a feature like this, but if that feature is easy to forget because Debian's lists are the only ones that want me use it, it's hardly of any real

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes: Dear lazylist, On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, does someone know why? In brief: because that field is for the *sender* to set, if they want; and the mailing list software has

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be writes: This thread will come over again and again until: […] 4. The following MUA are fixed to behave properly when a user press reply: Those MUAs already *do* the right thing when a user presses “reply to author” (sometimes just called “reply”): they reply

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:53:12AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: No, the point of a ‘reply to list’ command is you *don't* have to remember when to use it. Just use it every time you reply to any list, and it will DTRT because it uses the standard fields which are in just about every mailing list

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Those MUAs already *do* the right thing when a user presses “reply to author” (sometimes just called “reply”): they reply to the author or, if the author sets a ‘Reply-To’ field, to the author's chosen reply address from that field.

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: You're arguing that a Reply-To header is harmful (not that I am convinced) That field is very useful. What's harmful is mailing-list software munging that field, which is for the author to set and for nothing else to fiddle with. -- \ “Saying

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: As far as I see it: * Debian has dropped the Reply-To header because it is harmful in some way. * Debian has mandated that all replies must behave as if Reply-To existed. If this were the case, this would be an easy solution. However, it's

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:11:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: The primary problem with setting Reply-To is that it makes private replies extremely difficult (in clients that honor the RFC-defined meaning of the header field, at least) and significantly increases the chances that private

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 14:44 +0200, Michael Tautschnig a écrit : If you're annoyed by cc:s (well, Holger, I know you are, you told me about that more than once :-) ), configure your mailclient to set Mail-Followup-To Mail-Followup-To is:

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Many of the more popular MUAs on your list have this command already, Can you name any others apart from mutt that come with this by default? Gnus has a version of it. It doesn't work quite

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 03:09 +0100, Noah Slater wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Those MUAs already *do* the right thing when a user presses “reply to author” (sometimes just called “reply”): they reply to the author or, if the author sets a ‘Reply-To’

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes: I don't know, but there are plenty of reasons to choose from. See e.g. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html A stronger, and simpler, case is made by URL:http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful/ which notes that the newer IETF standards

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
Ben Finney a écrit : Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian lists, which as you can see, doesn't happen very often. No, the point of a ‘reply to

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:16:08PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 14:44 +0200, Michael Tautschnig a écrit : If you're annoyed by cc:s (well, Holger, I know you are, you told me about that more than once :-) ), configure your mailclient to set Mail-Followup-To and

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 08:41:14PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 01:42:04PM +, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : Hi Maintainer, rejected, i think we are missing the source for the pdf in doc/. Almost two monthes of waiting to read this… What was the license on the PDF in

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:35:48PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt Perfectly well defined. An interesting riposte for those arguing the opposite IETF angle. If adherence to standards is so important, surely it's a

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Brian May b...@snoopy.debian.net writes: IIRC Thunderbird use to have a reply to list command, but I can't find it anymore :-(. The bug has been open since 2000, and has recently seen activity again URL:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715. Meanwhile Debian's Thunderbird is

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: I am not saying anything like I will not obey the Code of Conduct because it is stupid but rather something like I will try my best, like I have been doing, but I know I will continue to fail. Well, “like you have been doing” means *not* using it, even

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: If this is such a concern, I would like to see the Code of Conduct updates to recommend that people concerned with follow up emails set the appropriate headers in their own clients. This was detailed earlier in this thread. The appropriate fields

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Is this so hard, people? We have large brains evolved in part precisely for the purpose of figuring out the protocols of communication and applying them moment to moment. If you don't want to decide in a given instance whether you want to respond

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Ben Finney
Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:35:48PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt Perfectly well defined. An interesting riposte for those arguing the opposite IETF angle.

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Brian May
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:10:14PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: I tried hard, for many years, to love the Mail-Followup-To field, but I must agree that it doesn't serve the purpose well enough to recommend. (Briefly: it breaks when a discussion crosses between different mailing lists, and other

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:54:56PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Well, “like you have been doing” means *not* using it, even in this thread, so I find the above rather difficult to believe — especially because “I forgot” is even less plausible in the context of this thread where you've been

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:59:53PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: The appropriate fields *are* set: the mailing list sets the RFC 2369 fields for replies to the list, and the author sets the From and (optionally) the Reply-To fields for replies to the sender. The appropriate fields are set, I never

Re: About symbol versioning, soname bumps and symbols files.

2009-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:43:00PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: The generated, new symbols file looks something like: Why exactly is this file generated, and how? Symbols files don't work very well if they aren't being deliberately maintained; it would be much simpler to just use shlibs in that

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:53:12AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian lists, which as you can see, doesn't happen very

Re: Should we still purge GConf schemas from the old directory?

2009-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 09:52:14AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: a long time ago, packages using GConf used to ship schemas in /etc/gconf/schemas. Now, they are moved to /usr/share/gconf/schemas. However, during upgrades, dpkg would let the old file in place since it was a conffile. This is

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread William Pitcock
On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 14:05 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Montag, 27. April 2009, Philipp Kern wrote: Interestingly you did it again, ignoring the list Code of Conduct. As it sadly happens many times every day. And as long as there are no means to enforce it (either pure social

Accepted blockout2 2.4+dfsg1-3 (source i386)

2009-04-27 Thread Dmitry E. Oboukhov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:03:02 +0400 Source: blockout2 Binary: blockout2 Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.4+dfsg1-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Dmitry E. Oboukhov un...@debian.org Changed-By: Dmitry E. Oboukhov

Accepted htp 1.16-3 (source powerpc)

2009-04-27 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:31:17 -0500 Source: htp Binary: htp Architecture: source powerpc Version: 1.16-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.org Changed-By: Diego Escalante Urrelo

Accepted postgresql-8.4 8.4~beta1-1 (source all i386)

2009-04-27 Thread Martin Pitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:35:30 +0200 Source: postgresql-8.4 Binary: libpq-dev libpq5 libecpg6 libecpg-dev libecpg-compat3 libpgtypes3 postgresql-8.4 postgresql-client-8.4 postgresql-server-dev-8.4 postgresql-doc-8.4

Accepted vala 0.7.1-1 (source all amd64)

2009-04-27 Thread Marc-Andre Lureau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:24:27 +0300 Source: vala Binary: valac vala-utils vala-doc libvala0 libvala-dev valac-dbg libvala0-dbg Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 0.7.1-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Maintainers of

Accepted asio 1.4.1-2 (source all)

2009-04-27 Thread Simon Richter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:46:47 +0200 Source: asio Binary: libasio-dev libasio-doc Architecture: source all Version: 1.4.1-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Simon Richter s...@debian.org Changed-By: Simon Richter

Accepted treecc 0.1-4 (source powerpc)

2009-04-27 Thread Simon Richter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:53:16 +0200 Source: treecc Binary: treecc Architecture: source powerpc Version: 0.1-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Simon Richter s...@debian.org Changed-By: Simon Richter s...@debian.org

Accepted kdevelop 4:3.9.92-1 (source all amd64)

2009-04-27 Thread Jeremy Lainé
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:18:04 +0200 Source: kdevelop Binary: kdevelop kdevelop-data kdevelop-dev Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 4:3.9.92-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers

Accepted varnish 2.0.4-1 (source i386)

2009-04-27 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:12:28 + Source: varnish Binary: varnish libvarnish1 libvarnish-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 2.0.4-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Stig Sandbeck Mathisen s...@debian.org Changed-By:

Accepted libparser++ 0.2.3-2 (source all)

2009-04-27 Thread Simon Richter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:49:13 +0200 Source: libparser++ Binary: libparser++-dev Architecture: source all Version: 0.2.3-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Simon Richter s...@debian.org Changed-By: Simon Richter

Accepted jed 1:0.99.18+dfsg.1-12 (source all amd64)

2009-04-27 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:46:58 +0200 Source: jed Binary: jed xjed jed-common Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 1:0.99.18+dfsg.1-12 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian JED Group

Accepted jedstate 0.5.4.transitional.1-8 (source all)

2009-04-27 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:05:19 +0200 Source: jedstate Binary: jedstate Architecture: source all Version: 0.5.4.transitional.1-8 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian JED Group pkg-jed-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org

Accepted texinfo 4.13a.dfsg.1-3 (source amd64)

2009-04-27 Thread Norbert Preining
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:55:16 +0200 Source: texinfo Binary: texinfo info install-info Architecture: source amd64 Version: 4.13a.dfsg.1-3 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian TeX maintainers

Accepted policykit-gnome 0.9.2-2 (source all i386)

2009-04-27 Thread Michael Biebl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:39:07 +0200 Source: policykit-gnome Binary: policykit-gnome policykit-gnome-doc libpolkit-gnome0 libpolkit-gnome-dev Architecture: source all i386 Version: 0.9.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer:

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