On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 12:59:10AM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
The issue was raised by the udev upstream maintainer along with the udev
package maintainers of the major distributions, who all agreed that this
configuration is not supported.
FYI, udev 146 ships usb-id and pci-id programs
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 12:59:10AM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
The issue was raised by the udev upstream maintainer along with the udev
package maintainers of the major distributions, who all agreed that this
configuration is not supported.
FYI, udev 146 ships usb-id and
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
I still can't fathom why someone decided that udev should be responsible for
translating PCI IDs and USB IDs into text strings. This smells of crazy.
Yes. Any device specific matching should use vid:pid. How about just
disabling the
On Sep 04, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
I still can't fathom why someone decided that udev should be responsible for
translating PCI IDs and USB IDs into text strings. This smells of crazy.
I think that part of the rationale is that eventually HAL will go away
replaced by udev and
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:41:41 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Sep 04, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
I still can't fathom why someone decided that udev should be responsible for
translating PCI IDs and USB IDs into text strings. This smells of crazy.
I think that part of the
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Sep 04, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote:
Yes. Any device specific matching should use vid:pid. How about just
disabling the /lib/udev/{pci,usb}-db helpers alltogether to avoid ever
getting any users of this info in Debian? It will always be too
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 11:41:41AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
So you believe that the upstream maintainers are incompetent and
released something which is unreliable by design?
Incompetent, no. Careless, yes. Just think about the udev-related
breakages in the past. And speaking about design,
On Sep 04, Gabor Gombas gomb...@sztaki.hu wrote:
Incompetent, no. Careless, yes. Just think about the udev-related
breakages in the past. And speaking about design, udev was originally
praised because it can do everything in user space. Now, the authors of
udev are proposing devtmpfs, because
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:01:47AM +0200]:
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 06:29:31PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Why should it be Debian-native?
I never said it *should* be. I said it *could* be, and that whether or
not it is should be the maintainer's prerogative.
Bad choice of
On 2009-09-04 07:46, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Sep 04, Gabor Gombas gomb...@sztaki.hu wrote:
Incompetent, no. Careless, yes. Just think about the udev-related
breakages in the past. And speaking about design, udev was originally
praised because it can do everything in user space. Now, the authors
Package: wnpp
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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Thu, Sep 03 2009, Franck Joncourt wrote:
At a first glance there is no need to split it, and all of the binary
packages could be created from one source package as you mentionned.
However, for other distributions than Debian I do not know how their
packaging stuff
Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Sep 04, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
I still can't fathom why someone decided that udev should be responsible for
translating PCI IDs and USB IDs into text strings. This smells of crazy.
I think that part of the rationale is that eventually HAL will go away
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 05:24:19AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
FYI, udev 146 ships usb-id and pci-id programs which read
/usr/share/misc/usb.ids and /usr/share/misc/pci.ids .
udev itself does not care about the results of these programs but other
programs which used to use HAL may do, leading
Package: devicekit-disks
Severity: serious
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 04:36:52PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
I'd like to add here, that devicekit-disks will install udev helpers
/lib/udev/devkit-disks-* which are called in
/lib/udev/rules.d/95-devkit-disks.rules.
devkit-disks-part-id and
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 04:36:52PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
I'd like to add here, that devicekit-disks will install udev helpers
/lib/udev/devkit-disks-* which are called in
/lib/udev/rules.d/95-devkit-disks.rules.
devkit-disks-part-id and devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart both link against
Gabor Gombas wrote:
IMHO this looks more and more like the udev rules has to be split into
at least two categories:
- a basic set that is used during boot and early system setup. Services
in rcS.d are allowed to rely on these rules only, and these rules must
not rely on anything
On Sep 04, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Whatever the cause, it breaks the FHS.
Since it keeps being repeated, it is time to destroy this argument.
FHS documents what distributions want to do: of the other relevant
distributions, representatives from Red Hat and Suse said they do not
On Sep 04, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote:
Why do you not extend the current setup to do another step? Currently we
Even if this were possible at all, it would require (for a start):
- working out all the possible side effects of synthesizing all/most
(which ones?) events a second time
-
Am Freitag 04 September 2009 16:36:52 schrieb Michael Biebl:
devkit-disks-part-id and devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart both link against
libraries which are (currently) in /usr/lib, i.e.
devkit-disks-part-id links against libglib-2.0 (784K)
devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart links against (48K)
This
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Sep 04, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Whatever the cause, it breaks the FHS.
Since it keeps being repeated, it is time to destroy this argument.
FHS documents what distributions want to do: of the other relevant
distributions,
2009/9/4 Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org:
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:47:44PM +0200]:
* Upstream has abandoned the program, so the package is now Debian
native.
Switching upstreams does not make a package native.
How so? There is no reason why a package where the
Bjørn Mork wrote:
Personally I really can't see why these addons (usb-db,pci-db) are so
important. Nobody has demonstrated a usecase for them. Yet you make it
sound like there is no choice at all, but to include them in udev.
Seconded. The Debian 5 system I just built (2.6.29 kernel from
Excerpts from Jens Peter Secher's message of Fri Sep 04 11:12:47 -0700 2009:
FWIW, I wrote this answer (but did not send it):
Funny, because I received it. :-)
There is no point pretending there is an upstream when there clearly
isn't. Pretending there is an upstream just forces me put every
Carl Worth cwo...@cworth.org writes:
That is, surely there must be a way for you to keep the debian
directory in the single repository along with the implementation and
still build a non-native package from it. That would seem to me the
ideal way to go.
Hendrik Sattler p...@hendrik-sattler.de writes:
Am Freitag 04 September 2009 16:36:52 schrieb Michael Biebl:
devkit-disks-part-id and devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart both link against
libraries which are (currently) in /usr/lib, i.e.
devkit-disks-part-id links against libglib-2.0 (784K)
On Sep 04, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote:
The issue is most certainly raised by other distributions. See e.g. the
thread starting with http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/62973
This is about the micromanagement of dependencies which greatly excites
Gentoo users, so is not very
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On your part, you could try to understand them instead of attributing to
me straw man positions.
That's a good advice. Thanks. Please help me understand: What is the
usb-db and/or pci-db use case?
I'm afraid my creative imagination is far too limited to
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 06:58:18PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Sep 04, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote:
Why do you not extend the current setup to do another step? Currently we
Even if this were possible at all, it would require (for a start):
- working out all the possible side
Hello world,
As the new vict^Wmaintainer of update-inetd, I'd appreciate a review of the
proposal below to migrate it to dpkg triggers [0]
The Current Messy State of Affairs
update-inetd script is problematic (maintainer scripts use it to update the
/etc/inetd.conf conffile leading to
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org
* Package name: xfce4-volumed
Version : 0.1.4
Upstream Author : Steve Dodier sidnio...@gmail.com
* URL : https://code.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed
* License : GPLv3
Programming Lang:
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:12:03PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
But I guess Red Hat and Suse decide. Debian does what they do, nobody
They are currently providing most of the manpower for developing udev
and the related infrastructure so this is pretty much the practical
effect, yes.
So what,
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On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:54:19PM +0200, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote:
As the new vict^Wmaintainer of update-inetd, I'd appreciate a review of the
proposal below to migrate it to dpkg triggers [0]
The Current Messy State of Affairs
update-inetd script is problematic (maintainer scripts use it
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